zanacal I always thought super sperms are girls at least that's what I learned on IG. We did SMU and had to take the top % off because of the super girl swimmers. maybe DD4 is one lol
But really is there such thing? I don't think so.
zanacal I always thought super sperms are girls at least that's what I learned on IG. We did SMU and had to take the top % off because of the super girl swimmers. maybe DD4 is one lol
But really is there such thing? I don't think so.
I just meant that we get pregnant very easily and that DH probably has a high sperm count - didn't mean anything else by it :D
Thank you!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
See we also got pregnant very easy with the first 3 girls. Took a long tome with DD4 and damn msu.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
I was always wondered about this too! I remember the "IG guru" said Y just LOVE high pH and X couldn't care less!Quote:
The pH of semen is in the 7's as is EWCM. Sperm, both X and Y sperm, thrive in this pH. It makes NO sense to me at all that optimal pH for sperm survival is in the 7's, but for some strange reason X "like" very low pH and Y "like" very high pH.
ummm ok but where is the proof of this?? They always said it's been proven and based on studies...I like to see this studies for sure...
Flava, when I clicked on the "studies" they were either broken links or patent applications and NOT studies at all. So they were just writeups by people who were trying to get patents to sell some product and not any kind of blind, scientific study. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flava
If this pH stuff worked in any reliable way, it would have been packaged and sold to us by now and we would all know a dozen people who had used "BoyJelly" and "GirlyGoo" to TTC. :rolleyes:
I actually think that may be the best "timing" of all because it's still timing in a way, and yet it's so much less stress!!! The abstaining and antihistamine is what is doing the heavy lifting for you.! :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by jjc3434
I feel ya, my friend! That darn bio clock really does start ticking louder once you hit 35. GL and GB.Quote:
Originally Posted by iluvmyman
Ah, the mythical super sperms...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flava
What is so infuriating about some of the swaying stuff is that it's based kinda on science and so it's hard to refute it without sounding nitpicky.
Let's just say I remain unconvinced about the existence of supersperm.
I'm saying, if I had my way people wouldn't do timing at all. But because so many people believe in it and the idea is so entrenched in swaying tradition, I feel like I have to tolerate timing. It's a sacred cow, people almost worship timing. But I am trying to figure out the most painless ways of including timing that don't cut down on people's ability to get pg quickly, without making blue swayers feel overwhelmed and hopeless, and without making pink swayers get obsessed and testosterone-y.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flava
The way I understand timing, is that the further away from o you are, the less fertile and acidic the CM is which is supposed to sway girl, and closer to o the more fertile and alkaline the CM is, which is supposed to sway boy. I don't believe it has much to do with the differences between speed and longevity of X and Y sperm.
I'm sure many girls are conceived close to o, as many of my girl mummy friends insist. Same for boys and a longer cut off. I had a 2 and a half day cut off and although I do not know what this baby is yet, my instincts say boy.
My belief is that those mums who have many boys have a higher than normal testosterone, and all girl mummies the opposite. I don't know if this is true at all, but I am sure it is a very important factor.
Would have been nice to know this back in the days!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
What "they" don't know that this links are not real studies?? awesome...
About the timing issue I just want it close to O so I do get pregnant because I think if I do it to early well it's early and I don't have a chance for a bfp. Im also 36 here so u know...
Me too! We will probably do the SMEP/Deanna's plan for timing and frequency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flava
What is SMEP/Deanna's plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaInLove
SMEP (sperm meets egg plan):Quote:
Originally Posted by tweedledeedum
DTD every other day until you get a positive OPK
when you get a positive OPK, DTD that day and also every day for the next 2 days, have one days break, then DTD again once more
Thank you! Yes, we have been ttc for a while now and are not going to do a one-shot try for a boy....and I really want to get pg soon. I think I have made my body boy-friendly enough to dtd lots and still (hopefully) get a boy. If not, oh well, we'll take anything healthy at this point. Atomic actually suggested SMEP to me after my 2nd m/c, and it is pretty much what we did to get pg the 1st two times anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
I TOTALLY know!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flava
I agree with you on how timing could potentially sway BUT the 'official' story with timing straight from Dr. Shettles, has to do with the speed and longetivity of the sperm.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicnee1976
Lola, I read somewhere (probably on IG, but can't remember) that Deanna's plan sways pink. Maybe bcos of frequent BDing?Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaInLove
Probably! My doctor says we should just dtd every other day from day 10-18.....which would also do the job. But I am very much in the timing doesn't matter camp. As long as your DH doesn't have sperm issues, I don't believe it is a bad thing to dtd every day. There are tons of boys conceived from frequent bding though, I am sure!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zivic-Bubac
yeah my DS was, although of course you can't be certain that it wasn't other (accidental) sway factors which caused the boy-sperm to win on the day!Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaInLove
Well, there are tons of FF charts and another thread about dtd day for boys and most were frequent! I really think it's the woman's body that makes more of the difference....and the sperm count, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
DTD every other day starting on day 10 was how we conceived 3 boys!Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaInLove
That's good to know for the future references! Thank you! :luck:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
Yes, it is! Thanks, Zanacal!
yeah I agree, I think sometimes frequent release (if all releases are inside the woman) means that there are simply lots of potential swimmers in there so that cancels out the low sperm count thing. I think (IMO) frequent release would be more effective if only half of the releases are BDsQuote:
Originally Posted by LolaInLove
I was worried about that too rainbowflower but my cycle is all over the place with the hormones (vitex and saw palmetto) and I don't want to miss our chance or stress too much about timing so we will frequent BD. At the same time I'm going to go over the top with factors which will help to make pregnancy difficult - lots of Rephresh and probably Aci-jel before and after DTD too, 2 different types of antihistimine each day, baby aspirin, hot baths for DH, shallow release if we can etc. etc. If we weren't doing these things and we were simply wanting to lower sperm count then I would use a condom or release without BDing!
I think this is why my dr recommended bd every other day from cd10-18....is that what you are getting at? If this helps you guys at all, my ex-dh (father of my girls) was a "frequent releaser" on his own, but we only dtd one time, and it was towards the end of O because I was doing timing method of bc and thought I had Oed already. BUT he may have had a low count from his solo fun all the time and tight undies. Biggest factor, I think, was that I hardly ate ever as he wanted me super thin. Ass. Anyway, ITA that there are more swimmers in there....and I think the every other day thing ensures that there are fresh ones with a well-built up supply coming in at least once during ovulation. Whether those guys or older guys make it, who knows.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
OK, I'm totally confused.
If pH being high or low doesn't effect sperm, why do we use RepHresh, Replens and Acijel? I've been using RepHresh every 3 days and my pH has stayed nice and low, but now I'm hearing that pH probably doesn't matter???
So, what DOES matter? Is all of it just total BS? :(
Well, nobody knows for sure! Even if you don't buy the theory that girl sperm like low pH and boy sperm like high pH (I don't!), low pH will still kill off some sperm and for unknown reasons lower sperm count favours girls. Also, if you're using one of the gels the consistency of it will lower sperm count even further as some sperm won't make it through.
Exactly! If swaying were an exact science, it would have been packaged and sold a long time ago. There is evidence to support a variety of "theories" about the swaying factors, but in my opinion, everyone has a kind of perfect combination that may do the trick. The caveat is finding your combo. Maybe you need to do everything? Maybe just diet alone would do the trick? We don't know, so we dabble with all of the factors. Some of us do every little thing, and some of us just do a loose diet and a few supps and that's it. However, like Zanacal said, the ph theory has, I think, been sort of debunked, but it does help with lowering sperm count, which has been shown to favor girl conceptions. So, if I were ttc a girl, I would be sure to try to create a low sperm count/hostile environment, kwim? (And I laugh at writing this because in my year of swaying and ttc, I have doubted swaying and thought and rethought about it a million times. You would think it was a religion. I have come to believe it sort of is....you believe in certain aspects of it actually being a key for you, and you do what you can to make that happen, to the degree that your heart enables you to. If you MUST have your dg, you are all out. If not, you do a little but don't get obsessed.)
Yes, some people say it sways pink but I swear my husband could DTD every other day and his testicles would only chuckle and continue producing sperm in massive quantities. For 100% lower sperm count (swaying pink) you HAVE to DTD every day or even more, or else not DTD at all. For optimal sperm count (swaying blue), 2-4 days in between BD is just right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zivic-Bubac
We DTD a LOT with DS 2 and 3, I'm sure it was every other day at least!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
I answered this on the other thread but the difference in sperm numbers between frequent BD, even if you DTD every day, is STILL less than one or two releases where the sperm numbers are optimal. Plus, pink swayers are already doing so much to kill off sperm to begin with, that they may NEED to BD frequently inside the woman rather than relying on only one BD to get pg.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
Lola, didn't you mention that he also enjoyed the occasional special cigarette??Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaInLove
I don't think anyone is saying that pH can't AFFECT sperm, just that there is no evidence that X sperm "like" low pH and Y sperm "like" high pH and that you must have low/high pH every second in order to conceive a baby girl/boy and if your pH varies from that range that your sway is ruined. ALL sperm seem to thrive in medium pH and it is probable that very high pH and very low pH BOTH kill off some sperm (sky-high pH is counteracted somewhat by the naturally low pH of vaginal secretions and so it's more easily overcome than the low pH is...low pH is so effective at killing sperm that some spermicides rely totally on low pH to kill sperm.)Quote:
Originally Posted by annabel♥lee
The reason why we use the RepHresh/Acijel is partly because a lot of people want to do everything they can to sway and leave no stone unturned, so they want to include the pH stuff, and partly because lowering sperm numbers does seem to sway pink and since RepHresh/Acijel are sperm unfriendly, they are swaying pink regardless ofwj. If low pH sways pink, we're covered. If low sperm numbers are what sways pink, we're covered. If BOTH low pH and low sperm numbers sway pink, we're doubly covered.
The problem with BS is that so few people are studying this. It's politically incorrect to even admit to having a gender preference let alone be a researcher studying ways to sway gender ratio. So some of this is old wives tales that are totally baloney, some is leftover Dr. Shettles (who has been proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt but keeps turning up like a bad penny)http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...rm-and-Y-sperm, and other stuff is based on animal research, some of which is VERY old, which may or may not even apply to humans.
He did LOTS of girl-friendly stuff...he actually was a daily smoker of both kinds, wore tighty whiteys, was a huge stressball, had a job where he sat all day (I figure balls were tucked in there and hot all day)....all this aside from the daily shower-lovin.' So, I really think it was a combo of both of us that was super chica-land.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush