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or you could just get him to release outside for the first 3-4 in the week, and then finish inside on the last few days around OV perhaps using the balance activ or rephresh then?
I don't think lots of EWCM necessarily matters providing the pH of the EWCM is low. The only reason it sways blue is because the pH is higher, but if that's not an issue in the first place because your body pH is lower due to the diet/supps then maybe having some low pH EWCM can help you get your pink BFP instead
I don't think my EWCM is low in pH though - I guess it's not designed to be! I'm STILL changing my mind back and forth!!
zana may I ask a quite personal question that you don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable doing so? which of the ones you've tried so far would be best for someone who is rather dry down there? lol - once again, BF hormones are to blame! sorry!
No worries :D I find both Aci-jel and Balance Activ make things very 'slippery' for quite some time after use and I would imagine they work quite well as a lubricant - I think it's best to use Aci-jel in particular a good hour before DTD because that gives it time to soak in and have that effect! With Rephresh, I guess because it sticks to the vaginal walls (and is meant to work that way), I can just pull out clumps of it whenever I check after I've used it. I haven't tried it for a while but I think that's probably the case even the next day. I have some Sylk but haven't tried it out.
I was thinking about your suggestion of having DH release without DTD for the first few days (we'd probably do a week) and I'm seriously considering it (another contender lol!). I'm certain DH would go with that idea! I would then DTD until I've ovulated and use 'something' before/during to lower pH and slow down (but hopefully not kill!) the sperm. I tried using just a finger of Balance Activ and it didn't work to lower my pH because I lost most of it at the entrance to my V (sorry if TMI!) and I wouldn't want to use lots very close to DTD because I don't think any sperm would survive it. So, if I'm going to use it at all it won't be then - and if I'm just going to use it every couple of days to lower my pH earlier in my cycle then perhaps I should use Rephresh instead as it'll work in between applications. The two options for use closer to our attempts are Aci-jel and Sylk. Aci-jel is good from the point of view that it comes with an applicator so I can get a small amount close to my cervix. It doesn't make my pH incredibly low but I don't think it makes it higher either so I'm happy with that. The other option is Sylk and I haven't tried it yet. I think Aci-jel probably has the best track record in terms of successful girl sways - can anybody confirm that?
This is so funny, I'm coming back to Rephresh every 3 days early in my cycle and Aci-jel prior to my attemps, which is what I was going to do to begin with! I am dropping the spermicidal condoms though and will talk to DH about releasing instead of DTD for the first 7 days (like I said, I don't think I'll need to persuade him!) and I think we'll DTD right through O. DS3 for sure was conceived with a 1 day cut-off so it's not like I think that particular plan sways pink for me anyway! I'll JAD too I think, unless it seems that we'll only get one attempt in before I O and who knows what my cycle will do this month!
thank you for your reply! what about Replens then? is that quite slippery too? why can't you use Replens and RepHresh together if they're made by the same company?
so you think Balance Activ is definitely out nearer O time then? your plan now does seem very solid. I like that theory of not J&D if it's an only attempt too
if you aren't DTD unprotected earlier in the cycle perhaps you might not even need to spend that money on the RepHresh? It's not cheap is it...
I've never tried Replens (thank goodness, that would be another one to choose from!). I wondered about using the Balance Activ in the mornings on the days of my attempts but by the evening my pH would have risen anyway and I was really only excited about it because it's the only time I've ever got the pH stick to turn orange - after 2 hours-ish it starts to turn back green again. Reading that study makes me wonder about getting pH too low anyway if DH isn't going to be providing much pH raising fluid!
True about the Rephresh - but I have a stash of it I may as well use! Likewise with the Aci-jel and there's no way I'm ordering a second tube of that stuff, so perhaps if I'm not pregnant by the time it's gone I'll do something with the Balance Activ!
Thanks for sticking with me through my rambling on this :D
where did you get the aci-jel from? and why do you say you won't be buying another tube of it? I just did a quick google and it said it's been discontinued in the UK since 2005?
it does seem sensible to not go OTT if his small amount of fluid might not raise pH as much ;)
I got it from Australia - I can't remember the price exactly, guessing around £20!
ok, well I won't be getting any of that then ;) swaying is expensive enough as it is! lol
RepHresh isn't sperm friendly though because of the low pH. They're saying that as a marketing gimmick.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
I still think RepHresh is best for a pink sway because it keeps lowering pH. I really don't think it's great for sperm, regardless of what they're claiming on the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by queen-of-harts
The RepHresh is similar to Replens, but RepHresh is designed to react with everything it touches to bring pH down. So it will react with your DH's semen to lower its pH and it works for 3 days after application.Quote:
Originally Posted by purplefairy
That is much what I have read as well. Only Preseed was found to truly be sperm-friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
PS - the URL is only because it was posted on the Preseed website...it was an independent study and not done by or funded by Preseed (as far as I know.)
I don't think that's the ONLY reason it sways blue though. I think EWCM means more sperm can physically swim to the egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
I do agree that low pH EWCM might be better for pink than high pH/
Hmmm...good point. Glycogen is a sugar molecule and the uterus does use it to nourish embryos. I'm not sure it matters in lotion form, it's probably jsut what they use to hold it all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
PS - not a silly question at all and in fact it led me to some new info that I didn't know.
Well, a lot of that is based on history and the order in which we found some of those things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
1) Yes, IG is extremely hung up on the acetic acid but it's because of some studies somewhere that found acetic acid, aka VINEGAR, was linked to girl conceptions. PreShettles, but Shettles co-opted that in the early editions of his book. To my way of thinking, acid is acid, ya know??
2)The original IG info claimed that RepHresh HAD acetic acid and in fact that is in the FAQ (I have the copy of that FAQ printed out so I know this for a fact, but it may have been removed at this point.) Once I came to this site I went around swearing to everyone that it had acetic acid in it, then someone found out that it didn't. Boy was my face red haha.
3)Most of these things didn't use to be on the market, it was just Acijel, Replens, RepHresh at first. So most of the sway stuff is based around those three. Someone can and may already have invented something better at any point (sylk??)
4)At first we didn't even know about Acijel, we only HAD R and R (plus douching of course) to use.
5)For awhile a few years ago, Acijel was recalled and totally impossible to find. So people began to use R and R as replacements, not because they didn't prefer or want Acijel, but because we couldn't get it.
6)pH is such an intrenched part of swaying (due to the whole vinegar douche thing) that I think people have elevated Acijel to a pedestal, now whether it is worthy of being there or not is open to debate.
Yes, I read this one before, I think there was a link to it on IG??? Interesting stuff but of course SO OLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
Doubling up here because I"ve been on this thread for like 2 hours now!!!
"This actually makes me think that so long as my pH is reasonably low (which it may not be if I have EWCM but of course we're trying to limit that) and there isn't very much of DH's 'fluid' (because we've DTD frequently and maybe I've done a JAD) then using a gel with a very low pH might not be the best idea for getting pregnant - and the first scenario is surely how girls are 'usually' conceived (ie. without swaying)."
I COMPLETELY agree with you on this. First and foremost we must remember that of all the baby girls who have ever been conceived or ever will be, only the tiniest fraction were with benefit of acetic acid, RepHresh, or anything. It's MUCH more likely that the low pH of the vaginal secretions coupled with less/drier/more acidic CM and low sperm count/less semen is what REALLY does the swaying in Mother Nature's system. And these things are controlled entirely by diet, overall fertility, and BD patterns (abstinence vs. frequent release).
Can I just toss out the obsession/testosterone idea again??? :worry:Quote:
Originally Posted by zanacal
Pick something. Anything. They're all probably pretty close to the same thing anyway. And then put it totally out of your mind and forget about it. You're not doing your sway a lick of good by doing this to yourself and in fact you're running the risk of HURTING your sway a lot more than the difference between any of these jellies.
:hugs: I hope I'm not sounding bitchy, I just don't want you to wreck your sway over something that really is of so little consequence, KWIM???
I have tried using Replens as a lube and I found it to be not very effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
You CAN use RepHresh and Replens together if you like...we've tested it enough now so we know that the concern that Replens might make the pH of RepHresh go up is unfounded.
I do think using RepHresh every three days might be a good idea even if you're not DTD because your body will be sorta used to it and won't be all like, "intruder alert, intruder alert !!!"
thank you for all of those replies atomic, it's always fascinating to read your perspective on things
oh, and zanacal I REALLY hope you get your girl because then that will give me more hope ;) I think we are both enthusiastic researchers and personally don't think stress is the same thing as obsession! lol
Thanks Atomic. Sorry you had to spend so long trawling through all of this. I hear you on the testosterone thing and I have put it out of mind now - I've had a really rubbish week with awful PMT and last minute second guessing of my plan and I guess I was just thinking out loud.
No, not at all, I actually think it was a great thread and very helpful and informative, I'm just worried about YOU!!!
I sometimes find that I get more intense/obsessive when I have PMT...do you think that could be where some of this is coming from??
You guys, I just want to point out that one of the most enthusiastic researchers that ever enthusiastically researched, babydust, is here on this site and she did indeed get her girl!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rainbowflower
She did a lot of detail-oriented research and then before her sway with her plan in place, she just relaxed and enacted the plan and things came out just right. I think we can all take a page from her book on that.
Possibly - but I don't usually suffer so I don't really know! I am very emotional at the moment and am crying at the drop of the hat, which really isn't me. I don't know if it's hormones (who knows what they're doing!) or just nerves. On the testosterone front, I honestly don't feel like this is something I can solve or a competition I can win. I feel completely overwhelmed by it all and am just second guessing the decisions I already made and have pretty much come back to after all of this. If anything, I'd say my testosterone is lower and not higher than usual. I don't feel good :( and I think my toe hair growth may finally have slowed down :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by atomic sagebrush
:cheer: to less toe hair but BOO to not feeling good...I so wish this could be EASY, ya know??