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Can you girls shed light on FR Over E4D when ttc girl? And would 2x a day be frequent enough?
I'm really unhappy with 1 attempt in fertile zone. I'm. Gonna be 40 in 6 weeks and we are going to try in September again. Taking this month to get myself organized!
How much less successful.is FR over E4D?
I mean, I've noticed over the years that every year something new is now the favored thing as we fine tune this whole project, does anyone have a clue about what's what re FR and E4D?
Thanks!
They are two different things. FR has been proven to not get good results for girl as there have been quite a few opposites doing that. My guess is that either people find out they got positive opk later than expected, or DH had trouble keeping up BDing 6-7 times in a row. Plus for some people like my DH, he has a great sperm count and actually produces more if not the same during FR! This would sway blue in this case for us!
E4D is to take the place of using opks. It ensures you have one attempt in your fertile window. You start once AF leaves town and either continue all cycle long in case ovulation is delayed or until you go past the latest cycle day you ever ovulated. E4D has been getting good results, but we don't have as large of a population like we do with those that do at positive opk.
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Hi jenc8080 hats off to you for doing both the diet and exercise this long. I am in awe!! I understand how bummed you must be feeling but IF you do have o-2 attempt that's apparently better odds than even an o-1. Because your temps cant confirm o has occured you'll be abit the dark this cycle but definately not out even if its o-3 attempt! Maybe start a new thread if this cycle is a bfn and ask Atomic what she would recommend for timing if you've been at it this long. But at the end of the day it has to be what you're comfortable with :) fx you wont need to and you get a bfp this cycle!Quote:
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just to say I'm still stalking this thread wishing and hoping you all get you bfp's and join us on the march/april/may board! routing for you all xxxxx
7 months that is amazing, welldone! Xxforhubby had excellent advise. I just wanted to add that my dh sounds very similar to yours. We have never had a problem conceiving and he thinks we are not having enough sex. I have to be careful about been too upset when af arrives as I worry he is going to pull the plug on attempting at all. So you are not alone, but maybe if you have been on the diet so long and not got pregnant with a sticky bean a separate thread to ask atomic advise might be useful. I think e3d has been getting good results as well so if I had been trying as long as you I would consider adding attempts. If your doing anything like shallow release, tight underwear for dh, j and d or any of those factors that limit conception I would drop those before adding attempts.good luck and keep us posted! XQuote:
Originally Posted by jenc8060
Thanks, good to have as much support as possible. Am still attempting e3d's even though am pretty sure I ovulated already. Not overly hopeful this month but not overly concerned as baby would have same dd as ds1. How is pregnancy going with you? XQuote:
Originally Posted by baby2016baby
Eek! I quit progesterone yesterday due to lack of bfp and my temp climbed again today?!
Can someone go back and look at my chart pls and tell me if I should start back up for a couple of days until test again?! I can't post a link from my phone so you'd need to go back a couple of days to my prebio is post about this.
Thanks!
And even more frustrating, I decided to do my last test in case--a frer digital and IT DIDN'T WORK!!!! I live in a small mountain town. They're $27 here and I've done 4 tests already!
So...anomaly? Wait another day and see if af comes...which it should since I quit 600 mg of progesterone cold turkey? Or do I go to the dr for a beta? I just don't know!
Then the test changed to yes with a clock. I cracked it open, one line only and it was half there and half not (like top of line pink bottom nothing).
Should I take progesterone in case and go see the dr?
Can you get a normal test like a FRER? They are probably better for early testing compared to digitals. I would take the progesterone and get a blood test just incase. Good luck!
its going ok girlie thanks for asking, no symptoms, but feel weird, have had issues with my tests not darkening and my digi showing 1-2 when it should have been 2/3 or even 3+ but I'm trying not to stress to much. what will be will be....
Sorry I don't know nothing about stopping progesterone, only thing I know is atomic suggests taking a test before starting the next dos of clomid or injections as a few people have been caught out xxx
I agree with purple. Take the progesterone and get a blood test. That's the only way to know for sure.
AFM, since I now know that only my right tube is open, I'm going to try Femara with a trigger shot. I almost never ovulate on the right. It's probably been at least 6 months since I last ovulated on that side, other than my last cycle/miscarriage. If the Femara doesn't work after a few cycles, I'll switch to injectables. I don't want to wait around any longer. I'm on my 16th cycle ttc and it's getting really hard emotionally. Plus, I'm not getting any younger. I really hope this new doctor can figure out how to keep me pregnant. For some reason he makes me feel a lot more positive about the whole thing, which I really appreciate. :)
Fingers crossed for you SweetLily.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetLily
Here is my experience with taking progesterone and then stopping: The last 3 cycles when I stopped taking the progesterone supplements after a BFN on my blood work, I would get a temp rise the next day after stopping and then it would drop the following day and then I would get AF. I was taking 200mg x 3 times per day. Hopefully you have a better outcome :)
Currently CD10 today for me, took 7.5mg of Femara days 3-7 and 75units of Gonal-F on days 8-9. I had my ultrasound this morning, I have one follicle on the right side and it is measuring 22mm already. Blood work was taken and I am waiting for the results to see if I can take my trigger shot tonight.
I talked to the RE about my theory that when I ovulate on the left I get BFN's and when I ovulate on the right is when I can atleast get pregnant, usually chemical but hopefully one of these times it sticks. She said that is completely possible and said that a high percentage/most women get pregnant from the right ovary, she doesn't now why but I guess that is usually the more dominate side. When I had HSG done in December my left tube was sticking straight up, doesn't mean it always stays that way but if it does I am sure there is no way an egg can fight gravity enough to get where it needs to go.
My numbers rose really slow with my last pregnancy and she was fine until I got an amnio infection. My boys make my numbers quadruple but girls barely double for me. Maybe like that for you? Why not get the dr to do some betas for you to ease your mind?Quote:
Originally Posted by baby2016baby
Well thas good to know. Usually when I quit progesterone I get af the next day. I too am on 200 mg 3x a day. How does that make you feel? I can't rely on anything when I'm on it. It gives me every symptom in the book!Quote:
Originally Posted by tfahn
Thanks for all the replies. I did take 300 mg of progesterone and will try to get into a dr today for a beta.
This is interesting about the right ovary. Many of my pregnancies have been from the right...m
When I'm taking the progesterone sometimes I get a little tired after taking a dose and have some breast tenderness on it, overall not too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetLily
Lucky you! I get every symptom in the book!
I'm feeling a bit freaked out now.
This morning's defective digi (and may I say, that's the SECOND FRER digi in a row to be defective) actually has 2 lines. I thought I saw a line when I did it but it was only on half the stick so I thought I had line eyes. Now that it's dry you can really see it. But if my dip is an implantation dip, baby didn't implant until 13 dpo probably and that's bad. I have read lots about that over the years. Its all out of my hands anyway, my last pregnancy taught me that. I did go for a beta this morning, so we will see if this is a BAD evap or if it actually is a bfp. I will post the pictures for reference on evaps! I only have the digis because our small town drug store sells very few tests at all, and if I want FRER I have to buy the test and confirm box that has one of each. I inverted one picture and left the other one normal. The line is only really visible on half the test line! I guess why it was defective! I'm putting up the invert pic first cause its easier to see where you are looking. The line is much more visible IRL. IDK, will wait for the drs report tomorrow.
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If that is ACTUALLY a bfp, do you think maybe I O'd a couple of days later, even though my cm dried and my cervix went low and firm?
Oh and one more thing. What happened to Maiden? I missed a few months when I was super sick after my loss and she's vanished. Did she get her bfp and move on?
Not sure on the tests SweetLily, I'm not familiar with how the digital ones work so not sure if you can trust the lines or not. I really hope you have some HCG in your blood, that would be so great. I am 39 as well and had 2 chemicals and 1 chemical/MC since December so I think it is way past time we get are sticky babies. :)
As far as Maiden, she said she wanted to take a break from the forums for a while which I totally get, it gets hard after TTC for so long. I have seen her chart every once in a while so the only thing I know is it looks like she is still TTC, hopefully all of us finally get our BFPs!
Thanks. Yeah, I really have no idea how the digis work. I asked the lady on the phone at FRER and she said not to trust it. I also googled it and it looks like they get 2 lines like all the other tests (from some of the pics i saw) but who knows. It's also a DRY test, not reliable AT ALL. I thought I'd put it up there for reference for anyone in the future. I think a lot of us are POASaholics and taking a digi apart in a moment of panic when it gives you a ? instead of an answer is something many of us might do ROFL!!!! I swear I almost died right there. I'm like, I wasted my FMU on THIS?!
Glad my dr ordered a beta. He did a very good job at not looking horrified when he asked if we were TTC again. Hes the head of the hospital in our town, and had to be intimately involved in my loss a few months back, all the problems leading up to and my complaint over how it happened to the provincial health board. He isn't my GP but they share the clinic and its who I could see today. I really like him. He did a great job at keeping a straight face, he was probably thinking dear heavens, here we go again...
My chart and temps are very iffy anyway this month. I started a small job this month and have to get up at 5 am for it 3 days a week for a couple of hours, and I usually temp at 9:30. I started 2 weeks ago right around O no less, so I adjusted my temps all month. I went back on FF and put in all my temps with the 5 hour time spread as they were and it gave me dotted lines for CD 21. I guess its possible. Maybe I didnt O when I had my o pains? I have NO IDEA.
Even if/when I do get a bfp, I'm not going to get excited or even tell ppl until 28 weeks. I'm pretty scarred by my loss. It was so traumatic and scary, and the drs did nothing to help at all. I don't think I will even go for prenatal appointments except the 8 week US to see if there's a heart beat, as the drs have proven how useless they are in this entire journey. I know ppl say prenatal appts are so important, but I've had 5 babies and my loss proved they can't do anything to help you stay pregnant. It's a very jaded attitude, but I refuse to be running in and out of the ER like last time (cause we have no after hours or walk in clinics here, if you need to be seen outside of office hours OR if they're just too busy to fit you in, they send you to the hospital!!!!)
Enough of a rant, Thanks for the update on maiden. I avoided these boards for a long time too. All the chemicals were getting to me. And then I start obsessing...lol...
I'm really sorry for your chemicals, it really hurts when it happens over and over.
I agree, I hope there's lots of bfps this month :) If mine isn't a bfp, I'm waiting til september to ttc. My DH is going to be denied entry until O has been confirmed absolutely, as I want to do a detox for a month and cant do it if TTC. He's going to LOVE that!:rofl:
thanks sweetlily but I'm hoping your wrong, I really don't want another girl so I'm hoping that the slow rise is not related to a girly bean!! I had very noticeable tests early with my daughter so hoping this slow rise might be a good thing for me. Fingers crossed for you, I don't know about the digi tests but if they work in same way I see two lines!!! xxx
Lily - I don't know that that's a positive.. I haven't ever used a FRER digital but this is what a clear blue digital looks like positive when it's cracked openAttachment 32501
I just meant everyone is different and for ME that means girl --it's different from my norm. For you it coukd well mean boy! Fx!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by baby2016baby
Well I'm not sure it's a positive either...it's DRY! BUT I did look at frer digis and that's what they look like cracked open. The lines are much further apart than a regular frer. I hate CBs personally, can't stand blue dye but thats just Mr. I guess we will see. I'm going to call the dr at 4. If it's negative they will have the result back. If it's positive thry have to send it out for the quantity and that will take til tmrw.Quote:
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Thanks for the input hun :)
My bad lily I should have googled the FRER digital before responding. I'm also emotional and blind at the moment so I'm probably going off the boards for a while lol. Hope you hear the results you want :)
has anyone in this forum had low progesterone during a pregnancy, did NOT use suppositories and still ended up with a healthy happy baby?
I cannot find stories of hope anywhere. im losing all of mine.
I can only guess that I did with my DS2. I couldn't get a positive pregnancy test until 21DPO, and even then it was very faint. The doctor took blood work on a Friday, I was 24DPO then, and it was 42 I think. I remember my progesterone being low but was told it was in proportion with my HCG level. On Monday, my HCG level was 112. I was worried the whole time because we only DTD on CD8, CD10, and CD11. I remember worrying so much because of such late implantation. He's a very healthy boy now!
I'm hoping and praying that this all works out! The stress of early pregnancy is so hard. Huge hugs!!
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Bukoram I hope you get answers soon, it seems that some ladies have been in a similar position and had healthy babies. You must be out of your mind with worry,really hoping this works out for you!
Think am out this month my temperatures are dropping and I feel very much like I do before af, was expecting it as our timing was off this month. Only thing I don't get is I only ovulated on Sunday, ( I think) so am only really dpo4, really hoping af stays away until at least dpo 9 as if it comes soon that will be a really crap lp! Hello September, when I started trying in June I never expected I would still be jumping on the 2 ww bus in September, good luck everyone else who is waiting x
Is it tomorrow that you get your blood test?Quote:
Originally Posted by Girlieplease
You are in the uk too aren't you? Do you know when you get the results back?
Any blood test I've ever had done at the gp has always taken a week or so to come back with results. I wonder how long testing progesterone levels take?
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Yes going for blood test tomorrow morning but only be 5 dpo, will ask when am at the gp's when will I expect the results. Am pretty sure I ovulated this month, I would have been more interesting in getting the draw taken on the months when I got no high on the clear blue monitor, when o was less certain. In June and July I failed to conceive with pretty much spot on timing, so wondered if maybe I did not o, this month I think I o'ed but my timing was not great. How you feeling about your chances this month? X
Cool let me know what they say result wise:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Girlieplease
I really don't know anymore! I feel like I have had pretty good timing this month, but have had at least 3 other months similar, all ending in bfn!
Who knows!! Best outcome would be getting blood taken on Monday and them coming back to me to say it showed a bfp! Wishful thinking.
It will be interesting whatever the test shows up xxx
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Hi ladies! I'm freaking out and could really use some help. I had a bfp today (I'll try to post a pic) at 6dpo. I know I couldn't have ovulated earlier because I had an ultrasound (monitored due to femara). I am worried it's too early, and the potential for genetic anomalies. Any thoughts? TIA
6 is the very first day considered normal to implant. You just had a very eager baby :) congrats!!
Pretty that's great, congrats! !! The earlier they implant the less risk of mc. I just read up on it a couple of days ago.
I am out, my beta was bfn and af is starting since I ditched the progesterone. Spending this month on a detox and will be back to ttc September.
Gl to everyone!!!!
Thank you for the encouragement... I admit, my eyes keep filling with tears. I am just so scared (I'm sure hormones aren't helping either) I had to mess with the bfp pic because I just couldn't get the lighting right. Here is my chart too. I had my ultrasound on Thursday afternoon (July 28th).Attachment 32519Attachment 32520
Deep breathes and let your doctor know because they will monitor you even still but no reason to think this pregnancy isn't perfectly normal at this point. That is a really light line I'm going to say with luck baby implanted yesterday at the earliest and it's possible you caught it after it implanted this morning... Another poster made a good point.. Any chance it's twins? You were monitored so was there more than one ripe egg? That would explain how baby/babies could have implanted today and you could already be seeing hcg
Thank you so much, I am definitely starting to feel better! I have thought of twins (partly due to the Femara, partly because DH would be THRILLED (he likes how efficient they are LOL) and partly because of the OWT regarding the V eye veins (I definitely have two under my left eye)) but I only had one dominant follie on my left ovary. I am hoping I ovulated late Thursday night/early Friday morning and just happened to catch it today... I was just totally blindsided by the faint line.
Hello everyone just wondering what supplements I have to stop while on the 2ww? Here is what I am taking. One a day womens vitamin, fish oil, wheat grass, and Folic acid, I know I take the folic acid up until 12 weeks of pregnancy, and also when do I stop the Mucinex? Thanks