TTC pink chat thread for November

Hi ladies, sorry I have been awol for a while, been super busy at home... We started building our extension this week and the builders and supposed to be here for 4 months. On the plus side they are building me another bedroom for my DD if all goes to plan!!!

I also get loads of EWCM before I O and it has usually tailed off by the time I get my +OPK. It is one of the reasons I decided to put in another attempt this month (DTD while I still had some..) Anyway, decided to DTD yesterday, expecting to get a +OPK tomorrow but it came early and was + today so will probably by O tomorrow...

Think we are going to DTD again tonight, then maybe tomorrow as well.

Mocha and OOTB, I wish you both all the luck in the world for a BFP, you both deserve it and I hope you can both enjoy your pregnancies :HH:

:wave: Jamie and Amari, good luck to you both and FX for BFPs for us all.

xx

Hey, ladies. I actually wish I had more ewcm, then you have more to manipulate. I never really have any so I have no signs of O. Then again, I don't O or get my period which is why i am on provera now and about to take clomid! But i am jealous that you all can do the rephresh and all that stuff.

So, this is my first month if i ever do ovulate, those who have done this, when did you decide to dtd? how many times? did you do abstain or frequent release? did you use the first batch before your attempt or dump it? thanks for your experience! Good luck to all of you this month!!

Sorry, amari - that must be really frustrating :(.

As for when to dtd - you'll find a full range of options followed by the ladies here. Lots of women still believe in timing and do a 2 day cut-off, but I personally think that lowers your odds of pregnancy too much and I don't believe in timing anyway. When I was swaying last summer I had dh release every day starting on CD1, then we started to dtd for real every day once I started showing O signs and continued to dtd through O. One month we dtd 9 days in a row (and that was after dh had been releasing daily for 7 days)! With my angel baby frequent release wasn't really an option because we were staying with family. Instead we did sort of a compressed frequent release - when I had signs that O was coming I had dh release twice in one day, then once more the next day before we dtd for real. We then continued to dtd every day until O happened.

This time I'm taking it even more easy. Since I have no idea when or if O is going to happen, I don't want to wear us both out with frequent release. Instead I just had dh release once a few hours before my attempt and relied on rephresh and jump and dump to take care of the rest. We're going to have another attempt tonight so we're doing the same thing again. We'll probably continue to do this until I get my +OPK then have one more attempt and stop.

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

Sorry, amari - that must be really frustrating :(.

As for when to dtd - you'll find a full range of options followed by the ladies here. Lots of women still believe in timing and do a 2 day cut-off, but I personally think that lowers your odds of pregnancy too much and I don't believe in timing anyway. When I was swaying last summer I had dh release every day starting on CD1, then we started to dtd for real every day once I started showing O signs and continued to dtd through O. One month we dtd 9 days in a row (and that was after dh had been releasing daily for 7 days)! With my angel baby frequent release wasn't really an option because we were staying with family. Instead we did sort of a compressed frequent release - when I had signs that O was coming I had dh release twice in one day, then once more the next day before we dtd for real. We then continued to dtd every day until O happened.

This time I'm taking it even more easy. Since I have no idea when or if O is going to happen, I don't want to wear us both out with frequent release. Instead I just had dh release once a few hours before my attempt and relied on rephresh and jump and dump to take care of the rest. We're going to have another attempt tonight so we're doing the same thing again. We'll probably continue to do this until I get my +OPK then have one more attempt and stop.

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There are so many options, I wish there was just one way to do it! I was going to do the frequent release and not worry about timing either and just go straight though but i think that's pretty much how ds1 was conceived. of course i wasn't doing the diet or anything then. we just did it 18 days in a row! so now when you say you are doing another attempt will you have him release first and dump it before you use it? how many days in a row have you done it this time? have you had a +opk yet? i think i remember you saying they were getting darker? good luck, girlie!

Since we're not dtd every day, I'm having him release before each attempt. My OPK this afternoon was getting darker, but I did another one tonight and it was quite faint. I'm hoping it was just because my pee was a lot more diluted - I drink so much tea and CL in the afternoon that it's almost impossible to get an accurate OPK. The EWCM is gone now, but I still have watery cm and an open cervix so I'm hoping O is coming....

So now I'm more confused than ever. No spotting today, which is good - but as of bedtime last night my cm had turned to watery but was very scant and when I did an OPK it was very faint (though my pee might have been too diluted). DH and I dtd anyway.

Today my temps are up a bit - just into my normal post-O temp threshold - and I checked with FF by plugging in imaginary temps for the next 2 days - if my temp stays this high, I'll get my crosshairs for yesterday (and I think maybe that attempt with DH will have been a post-O attempt, so not great). My cervix is still quite open, though maybe only medium high and soft, and I never got anything even approaching a +OPK. My cm seems ew today, but I think it's just semen confusing me. I guess I'll just wait until mid-day and see what my OPK tells me.

I don't know much about the temping part, but I do think it is realllly hard to tell anything cm wise once there is semen in there. Also, I think drinking all the aspartame changes things a lot too. You got a couple good tries in there either way though, right?

Well, IF I O'd yesterday I think it was mid-day sometime, which would mean I had an O-2 and something approaching an O+12 attempt - while that may sound good for girl swaying, it's not ideal for me since I'm less concerned with timing and more concerned with getting pregnant again as quickly as possible. I'm also worried because I used half a tube of rephresh yesterday morning thinking O was still a couple of days away - I'm worried I killed all the sperm from our first attempt and maybe also the sperm from last night's attempt.

I do agree that the cm isn't the best indicator while swaying. Yesterday I used some rephresh, drank tons of aspartame and took an antihistamine - so all of that could have made my cm change. And yes, the semen does confuse anything, though my cervix definitely still feels SHOW (I just checked again).

Here's a question - if my body made an attempt to O but didn't succeed, would my temperature still have gone up? I suppose it's possible I missed the surge with my OPKs, but I was taking them pretty frequently.

As my 1st attempt (hopefully) approaches I would really love some input. Sorry its so long...Here is what I am doing:

Started off on a girl diet about a month or so ago with cal/mag, cranberry, folic acid.

Switched to LE diet about 3 weeks ago. Just on baby aspirin, folic acid, and fiber now. DH on licorice root.

I will take my last pill tonight to get my period going, and once that starts (fingers crossed) I will start clomid on cycle days 5-9).

I don't test my ph but drink lots of cl, pep tea and rrl tea with equal. i will have to ease up on the aspartame around O because atomic says that i will be too dry due too the clomid. this means i also can't use the rephresh or aci-jelly or benadryl. (i actually am weaning off benadryl which i have been using as a sleep aid for months, down to a tiny sliver).

I am eating breakfast now but will stop around O time.

So, my plan and questions, i am confused as to whether to do frequent release or abstain? if we do fr we will start at af and go through to +opk, at +opk he will release one more time and then we will do an attempt and then the same thing the next day, one more release outside and the one more attempt? Do I have this right? if we abstain the we have an attempt at +opk.

My questions keeping in mind i will be on clomid:
1. Frequent release or abstain? I am concerned b/c ds1 was conceived after 18 days of sex but no other sway factors of course.
2. if fr, dump first batch before first attempt and dump batch before second attempt?
3. Jump and dump? after each attempt?
4. if abstain, do you dump batch before second attempt or do you only do one attempt?
5. Should we do 2 or 3 attempts? if we do fr?
Am i missing anything? Thanks, i know this is long, i am relatively new to all this and the clomid si throwing me off!

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

By the way, sorry for all the other pink swayers that I've been dominating this thread with m/c talk.

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I’m sorry too! Hope we didn’t scare anyone away!!!

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

...talking to others to try and offer comfort or suggestions of things that can help them cope made me feel like some small good had come from my loss...

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Yes…you are so right! Helping others really heals me. It helped for a bit but it got to be too heavy on my soul as my mind was still w/my loss instead of moving on so I’ve left but I’ll definitely go back and help others once I’m able to handle it mentally (maybe when I’m in my 3rd trimester w/a healthy bub on the way…???) Sigh…

:wave: Amari! Yes, do join us!

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Originally Posted by amari

Hey, ladies. I actually wish I had more ewcm, then you have more to manipulate. I never really have any so I have no signs of O. Then again, I don't O or get my period which is why i am on provera now and about to take clomid! But i am jealous that you all can do the rephresh and all that stuff.
So, this is my first month if i ever do ovulate, those who have done this, when did you decide to dtd? how many times? did you do abstain or frequent release? did you use the first batch before your attempt or dump it? thanks for your experience! Good luck to all of you this month!!

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Sorry Amari! You can take things to increase your CM if you want to. I think green tea helps and of course drinking more water can’t hurt. With Clomid, you’ll want to get preg as soon as possible so BD a lot would probably be in your best interest but I understand your hesitation as this is how your DS was conceived. We’re planning on BD now (AF just stopped) until I O (which could be a wk -2 wks as my cycle is still crazy do to the recent m/c). I just want to get preg w/a healthy bub and trust in the diet. Can you use Sylk if you are able to increase your CM or would that be bad w/your other meds? Sorry…I don’t know much about Clomid and Provera drug interactions, etc.

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Originally Posted by maybeoneday

Hi ladies, sorry I have been awol for a while, been super busy at home... We started building our extension this week and the builders and supposed to be here for 4 months. On the plus side they are building me another bedroom for my DD if all goes to plan!!!

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That’s really nice! Four mos is a long time but when it’s over, you’ll be really happy! I keep telling DH we need a bigger house w/a big playroom that the boys (and future girl) can go crazy in instead of everywhere else in the house. We can’t buy a new one until this house sells but the market is so low that we’re waiting until it picks up a bit…hope it’s sooner than later.

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Originally Posted by maybeoneday

...decided to DTD yesterday, expecting to get a +OPK tomorrow but it came early and was + today so will probably by O tomorrow...Think we are going to DTD again tonight, then maybe tomorrow as well.

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Sounds great! Best of luck!!! :pinksperm: :fx:

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Originally Posted by maybeoneday

Mocha and OOTB, I wish you both all the luck in the world for a BFP, you both deserve it and I hope you can both enjoy your pregnancies :HH:

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Thank you so much!

GL out of the blue on your attempt coming up!

Mocha, any more word about whether you figured out if you O'ed or not? I cannot imagine how frustrating that must be!!

I'm 5 dpo today and really doubting my sway :(

I feel kind of freaked out that we DTD in the MORNING of the day I o'ed...isn't morning supposed to sway boy big time? Ugh, I was losing weight in the process of O'ing, but it wasn't a ton of weight...but the numbers were dropping some....

I'm just freaked out I guess since my two boys were concieved on O days.....blah....I just feel like if I got preggo this cycle, I'll always be like "what if" I did this or that better...this is normal, right?

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

Here's a question - if my body made an attempt to O but didn't succeed, would my temperature still have gone up? I suppose it's possible I missed the surge with my OPKs, but I was taking them pretty frequently.

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From what it sounds like you maybe O'd and missed your surge but also may be gearing up to O (a false start like you said above)...Not sure about the temp...I think it would have to do w/how long before your body makes another attempt??? Wish I had some answers for you. This is so frustrating, isn't it! :HH: You're doing everything in your power to get preg this time so keep it up and keep up the faith! From my end, I'll continue to send you pink O vibes, lol.

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Originally Posted by amari

As my 1st attempt (hopefully) approaches I would really love some input. Sorry its so long...Here is what I am doing:

Started off on a girl diet about a month or so ago with cal/mag, cranberry, folic acid.

Switched to LE diet about 3 weeks ago. Just on baby aspirin, folic acid, and fiber now. DH on licorice root.

I will take my last pill tonight to get my period going, and once that starts (fingers crossed) I will start clomid on cycle days 5-9).

I don't test my ph but drink lots of cl, pep tea and rrl tea with equal. i will have to ease up on the aspartame around O because atomic says that i will be too dry due too the clomid. this means i also can't use the rephresh or aci-jelly or benadryl. (i actually am weaning off benadryl which i have been using as a sleep aid for months, down to a tiny sliver).

I am eating breakfast now but will stop around O time.

Sounds really good, Amari!!!

So, my plan and questions, i am confused as to whether to do frequent release or abstain? if we do fr we will start at af and go through to +opk, at +opk he will release one more time and then we will do an attempt and then the same thing the next day, one more release outside and the one more attempt? Do I have this right? if we abstain the we have an attempt at +opk.

Personally, abstaining kind of freaks me out b/c I don't want old sperm to fertilize my egg. Not sure if it's a big deal or not but I don't want to take that chance. If you go the FR method, as long as he's releasing (either in you or on his own) every day, you're in good shape. You may want to have him start FR by himself several days before he switches to FR inside you so that the sperm count is decreased when you start to TTC. I don't believe in timing but I do believe that lowering the sperm count sways girl. In my other post, I suggested Sylk but in rethinking it, don't use it if you are on Clomid.

My questions keeping in mind i will be on clomid:
1. Frequent release or abstain? I am concerned b/c ds1 was conceived after 18 days of sex but no other sway factors of course.
2. if fr, dump first batch before first attempt and dump batch before second attempt?
That's compressed FR. You can do that or just do like I said above. Others may have some imput on this as well...

3. Jump and dump? after each attempt?
It's up to you...If you're on Clomid, I wouldn't b/c you're already doing other things to lower sperm count and you want to get preg soon!

4. if abstain, do you dump batch before second attempt or do you only do one attempt?

5. Should we do 2 or 3 attempts? if we do fr?
The more attempts, the better when you're on Clomid!

Am i missing anything? Thanks, i know this is long, i am relatively new to all this and the clomid si throwing me off!

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Hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by auroara78

GL out of the blue on your attempt coming up!

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Thanks! :nails:

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I'm 5 dpo today and really doubting my sway :(

I feel kind of freaked out that we DTD in the MORNING of the day I o'ed...isn't morning supposed to sway boy big time? Ugh, I was losing weight in the process of O'ing, but it wasn't a ton of weight...but the numbers were dropping some....

I'm just freaked out I guess since my two boys were concieved on O days.....blah....I just feel like if I got preggo this cycle, I'll always be like "what if" I did this or that better...this is normal, right?

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Auroara, I think you did a great job! I really, truely don't believe in timing...There are just too many opposites out there and I don't see enough data. Just my humble opinion. Just trust in the things that were in your favor...I'll bet there were several things you don't realize that were tipped to pink this time than last time. The scale was dropping and that is great! :agree: I feel for you b/c I know exactly what you're going through. Last time I concieved was when I was OFF the sway and taking a break. I was in a dark and doubting place for a bit but realized that I couldn't change anything and I new I was going to get the soul I was meant to get (even though they're angels now) and at least one of those kiddos was pink! Try to be kind to yourself and trust in the process. I know...waaaaay easier said than done! :HH:

auroara - I think IG said DTD in the morning for a boy but I read a study which said sperm count was lower in the morning and that would sway pink. Either way, I shouldn't think it makes much of a difference at all!

amari - I agree with blue's comments. If I were on Clomid (but I was worried about DTD too many times) I would get DH to FR for 7-10 days without DTD then have a couple of attempts around O time (maybe O-1 and O or O-2 and O-1 if that worries you - though the first would be easier because you could DTD day of +OPK and again the next day). I wouldn't jump and dump with Clomid.

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Originally Posted by maybeoneday

Mocha and OOTB, I wish you both all the luck in the world for a BFP, you both deserve it and I hope you can both enjoy your pregnancies :HH:

xx

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Awww...thanks, maybe! You and I can be 2WW (and hopefully due date) buddies!

Your sway sounds great, amari! One thing that OoTB touched on is the potential dangers of abstaining. Some studies have shown that with men over 35, there MIGHT be an increase in birth defects if he abstains. If you're both under 35 I don't think you need to worry about that.

Thanks for all your support as I try to figure out my wonky cycle, ladies! I haven't done my OPK yet, but I've been holding my pee all morning and have had nothing to drink, so hopefully it will be an accurate test. My cervix still feels SHOW with tons of watery cm (which of course could just be semen). I'll give you all an update after my OPK.

Well, I just did my OPK, and it's still negative. The line is almost identical in darkness to the one I did 24 hours ago, so either my surge happened during the night or it hasn't happened yet. The third option (which I'm hoping isn't the case) would be that my body geared up to O but didn't succeed. I guess I'll wait and see what my temperature is tomorrow. I wish I wasn't feeling so impatient.

I'm sure it will happen, Mocha. I know its hard not to be impatient but your body is still returning back to normal. If you had regular periods before than you should have no problems getting everything back in order. Don't you at the waiting game of conception? Sorta drives u crazy!

Yes, everything about pregnancy is about waiting...waiting to ovulate, 2WW, waiting for the 20W scan, waiting for the due date...it's exhausting! My cycles have always been very regular, so I'm hoping things go back to normal quickly.

I just called my doctor's office to follow up about those blood tests I had on Monday. The secretary told me that my HCG was at 13 then. Now it's 5 days later - any hope it's at 0 now? Maybe I should break out my FRER to test and make sure it's a BFN now - I get BFNs with ICs, but a more sensitive test might still be able to pick something up. Anyone know the sensitivity of a FRER?

Ok, thanks for your responses. So fr outside for 7-10 days, then once I get a +opk have sex 2 or 3 times on separate days. Should he have "releases" that we don't use in between our attempts? And I shouldn't use rephresh or jump and dump because of the clomid?? what about a combo of sylk and rephresh-does anyone know about that??

Mocha-I hope that it is just funky b/c of your m/c and that you get your bfp! it is so hard to know what is going on! fingers crossed!

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Originally Posted by Mochagirl

Maybe I should break out my FRER to test and make sure it's a BFN now - I get BFNs with ICs, but a more sensitive test might still be able to pick something up. Anyone know the sensitivity of a FRER?

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I think it is 10 whereby a lot of less sensitive tests are 20.

Mocha, I hope we can be BFP and due date buddies as well!

AFM, I got another :) today which is unusual for me - I am having a longer LH surge than usual and had a ton of CM as well so FX I am having a good month for catching the egg. I am getting a bit bored of swaying now :(

Think we will DTD again tonight as really want to be pregnant - my lucky husband.....

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I did end up using a FRER and I got the faintest shadow of a line - no colour - just a shadow showing where the line would be. I guess that must mean my HCG is around 10 or so now? I was a little annoyed because my doctor doesn't think another blood test is necessary - he wants me to go for a repeat u/s instead to make sure everything is gone from my uterus (there was a 2.4 cm piece left as of 2 weeks ago, but they seemed to think it would be reabsorbed). Honestly, I find going to the u/s clinic so emotionally draining since it's full of happy pregnant women, so I want to avoid going until I'm pregnant again. I don't think I'm going to bother going unless I still get a BFP early next week.

Oh well, from what I've seen online most women with an HCG of 13 are down to 5 or under within a week. I'm starting to think my body was trying to O this week but couldn't because of the HCG. Hopefully the HCG will be gone by Monday, which will be 3 weeks after my m/c, and my body can finally O.

This must be so frustrating for you mocha, I hope it happens really soon for you x

I'm hoping this is your month maybe!

I think that's a good plan amari - that's the advice when on Clomid, not to use anything else. Some girl swayers have even had to use a tiny bit of pre-seed even to get pregnant because their cm is so non existent. The FR is already making things harder for you along with the Clomid and you'll only be having a couple of attempts. If you don't get pregnant after a month or two you might have to DTD even more.

Continue here please ladies:

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