♥ June 2011 ~ Swaying for Blue? This is the thread for you!! ♥

[LolaInLove]

3PNB, I hear you....don't worry though, there is nothing you can do now. I am hoping that we have residual sway still in us for all these months! And a few days off won't matter much. Hell, lots of the girl swayers ate zero salt and potassium and still got boys, I think they have more "failures" than us....but not sure why there. I think it's because they eat so much dairy, which has a ton of nutrients in it, kwim? Just keep yo chin up and don't stress.

I will tell you guys what, if I do get pg from this swaying break slip-up, we are NOT finding out the gender! I will just assume it's a girl all along and get super excited about it, then if its a boy in the end, well, that will be a happy surprise. I really don't think I will be though.

Watch....I just jinxed myself. DELETE ABOVE COMMENT

[iluvmyman]

LOL, you are right on, Iluv. I tell you guys what, if I were under 30 and going for my first attempt, I would probably give the one shot deal with 3 or 4 days abstinence a shot, and try to dtd right on top of O. But, if that wasn't catching the egg, I would move to dtd on O-2 then O after a couple of failed one time shot attempts. That is what we did, and obviously, something wasn't working for well, 5 months. We got pg on the 6th month when we dtd every day. And we got pg on the next attempt after the m/c by dtd every day also.

Atomic just wrote an excellent essay about timing, and I totally agree with her: there is NO study that says timing matters. What matters is the other factors that you can manipulate to create the same effect as timing. So, for a boy, you want ewcm and hearty sperm.....the timing factor (initially from Shettles, but now the "IG" one we all cling on to) is to abstain for 4 days and only dtd once on top of O. That is accomplishing basically having more ewcm and hearty sperm. BUT, and this is what Atomic is saying, you can get ewcm with eggs or use preseed, have orgasms, and use supps, and you can give DH supps and a good diet to create good sperm. Also, sperm really do just fine in a younger healthy guy in 24 hours. The older they get, the more time they need to regenerate, but for the most part, you can dtd every 48 hours (even every 24) and still have good sperm. The difference is so minimal when men's levels were compared- like 10 million for a 1 day abstinence and 11 million for a 2 day. What you are really aiming for is yes, having your DH's sperm be healthy, but really having YOUR environment ready for a boy conception. If you are doing the diet well, and your body thinks you are living high on the hog, then it is more receptive to a male conception, you know, the old Trivers-Willard hypothesis. And you are creating nice ewcm or fake ewcm (via eggs or preseed) for a nice high-ish ph environment so the boys can get through the gates easily....you've got a higher sodium and potassium intake and that favors male conceptions (I believe this is proven)....and you are swaying boy like a MOFO. All this being said, I don't think it's worth it to worry about the timing so much. When I say I would try the one shot deal, if I were younger, I would do it the first month, maybe two, but if it wasn't working, I would worry more about catching that egg and just dtd every other day. In fact, we plan to dtd according to the SMEP/Deanna's plan I posted earlier, which Atomic actually recommended to me.

So, that's my 2 cents on the timing. But Tink, you are doing the right thing and tracking your cycles, I am doing the same right now. And please do have a cookie.

Beautiful, beautiful summary Mrs. Thing. I love it and I think you are right on the money, honey! I'm not sure what I'd do w/o you here. I'm so excited I don't get a verbal beating from you, yay!

[iluvmyman]

Hey there Deb, welcome to the crazy blue thread! Honestly, none of us put too much stock in the moon and chinese calendar mularky. BUT, I think most of us do indeed try to do something with the ions in putting our cell phones in our panties for an hour or two while you lay there after dtd, and also jumping on the old laptop and posting about your exploits on this thread while your DH grumbles about you doing so. Those two seem to be easy to do and do throw off tons of +ions.

And I hear ya about the egg smell, after we had our 1st ew attempt (back in the day) I thought I had made a freaking meringue pie in my crotch. I'll tell you, I personally do not believe that ew are necessary for a good blue sway, but there are people who will say they think preseed sways girl because they had a girl with it. Especially if you throw a bit of bs in it. But, if this month doesn't work and you try again and decide to do ew again, you only need the SMALLEST amount of it. You know, we don't naturally have 5ml of ew falling out of our vags. When I do preseed, I put some up there and then sit on the pot and squeeze the excess out just in case. I really don't think you need much at all. GOOD LUCK!

WOW! that was so funny Lola...lemon meringue, you crack me up. I think my DH would prefer not to use the EW's but he's willing to do it for me. I still look at ion and do have some pluses, like an electric blanket on low (of coarse, i think it might not be working after I washed it) computer laptop and large tv, computer and stuff in my small bedroom. I cycle doesn't work w/ the full moon right now but I did notice some larger solar flares this week and the 5th/Sunday had a big solar flare. I don't blow dry my hair or anything since I just don't and I also have an ionic hairdryer so I try not to use it. Obviously I'm just a vision of beauty all of the time for DH. If you are using the air conditioner that's good ions too. Just something to do if you can but I don't know anyone that makes a huge deal out of it, just do what you can.

[3Pink1Blue]

Baby- yeah I was pretty miserable in my last sway. I was following the ig diet which was so painfully limited an only lifted weights. Ig had me so convinced that if I didn't do each factor to the max I would surely fail. The tracking minerals alone could drive you mad. Tg I got my bfp first month or I'd a lost my mind lol

Lola - I'm not real worried about it, I was very good with my diet and sups but I'm sure I'll blame it if it's a girl lol Over all I'm super happy knowing I'm not broken and just super happy to have a ticker again

Iluv- ita I still get giddy knowing I won't get my ass chewed no matter what I ask or whine about.

[Plum3]

LOL, you are right on, Iluv. I tell you guys what, if I were under 30 and going for my first attempt, I would probably give the one shot deal with 3 or 4 days abstinence a shot, and try to dtd right on top of O. But, if that wasn't catching the egg, I would move to dtd on O-2 then O after a couple of failed one time shot attempts. That is what we did, and obviously, something wasn't working for well, 5 months. We got pg on the 6th month when we dtd every day. And we got pg on the next attempt after the m/c by dtd every day also.

Atomic just wrote an excellent essay about timing, and I totally agree with her: there is NO study that says timing matters. What matters is the other factors that you can manipulate to create the same effect as timing. So, for a boy, you want ewcm and hearty sperm.....the timing factor (initially from Shettles, but now the "IG" one we all cling on to) is to abstain for 4 days and only dtd once on top of O. That is accomplishing basically having more ewcm and hearty sperm. BUT, and this is what Atomic is saying, you can get ewcm with eggs or use preseed, have orgasms, and use supps, and you can give DH supps and a good diet to create good sperm. Also, sperm really do just fine in a younger healthy guy in 24 hours. The older they get, the more time they need to regenerate, but for the most part, you can dtd every 48 hours (even every 24) and still have good sperm. The difference is so minimal when men's levels were compared- like 10 million for a 1 day abstinence and 11 million for a 2 day. What you are really aiming for is yes, having your DH's sperm be healthy, but really having YOUR environment ready for a boy conception. If you are doing the diet well, and your body thinks you are living high on the hog, then it is more receptive to a male conception, you know, the old Trivers-Willard hypothesis. And you are creating nice ewcm or fake ewcm (via eggs or preseed) for a nice high-ish ph environment so the boys can get through the gates easily....you've got a higher sodium and potassium intake and that favors male conceptions (I believe this is proven)....and you are swaying boy like a MOFO. All this being said, I don't think it's worth it to worry about the timing so much. When I say I would try the one shot deal, if I were younger, I would do it the first month, maybe two, but if it wasn't working, I would worry more about catching that egg and just dtd every other day. In fact, we plan to dtd according to the SMEP/Deanna's plan I posted earlier, which Atomic actually recommended to me.

So, that's my 2 cents on the timing. But Tink, you are doing the right thing and tracking your cycles, I am doing the same right now. And please do have a cookie.

The more I read about timing the more I am believing that it is other factors that contribute to conceiving a boy. When we TTC I am only going to try the one shot DTD for the first month. If we don't fall pregnant with that we'll do it more often. I can't afford to much around too long when on Clomid.

Great info, thanks!

[Plum3]

I too would love to hit timing with abstinence but with my irregular cycles there's no way in hell it can happen for me. You ladies with cycles that know that cd14 is ovulation are damn lucky, it's easy then to plan your abstinence etc. Lucky, lucky you

Oh, how I would love to have regular cycles. I don't even O on my own normally so I don't have any hope of timing with abstinence anyway.

[Plum3]

We are waiting till August....this last bd was just fun bd last weekend, and the last unprotected one before I hit the O phase, but lo and behold, I got an early ovulation. I mean, I seriously doubt it will get me preggers, but you never know. We are not going to dtd again, just let it go and hope its a bfn. I will admit I'm a bit nervous though. It would be JUST MY LUCK!

It's always the damn way isn't it? Never wished a BFN on anyone so you are the first. Imagine if it was a bfp with a boy though!

[My Fabulous Children]

OMG really? I was taking both of two together!!!!!! =(

Yeah I learned about this from the other site.

[My Fabulous Children]

Hi ladies! So much to catch up on, our thread moves fast these days. Had a crap weekend and am glad we are attempting next week not this week, b/c if I was due to O right now DH and I would both be like, H-NO we don't want to get pg, LOL. Anyhow one of the crap things is my DD2 is sick again ... poor kiddo picks up every virus around I swear.

Hope.ful I'm so sorry to hear about the BFN! I am with Lola on the OPK, where I know mine get CLEARLY positive. But it sounds like Jen has had some like you describe, so maybe that is just how a + looks for you?

Sunnye how long have you been taking all of those supps? B/c ITA that the combo you're taking could definitely change your cycle. Just wondering if you were taking them last cycle and noticed anything different then.

Jen your ticker is so fun to watch :-)

TTC5 when will you test? You're 5DPO know right?

Babydes how about you? You must be getting close to knowing. I really, really hope this is your month!!!

Tink do you have a usual date you ovulate? With a 25 day cycle I think the advice you got to test CD8 is perfect. I usually start then too, b/c I have O'd as early as day 10 twice now, but it is much more standard for me to O CD14.

Well AF is over for me so now I'm just waiting for signs of O! Last month was CD10 but I really think this month will be closer to CD14, and I'm CD6 now. I've already decided I'm not going to stress about timing. We aren't going to DTD every day or anything but I'm totally fine with it if we end up DTD every other day from now to O. We shall see how it works out though; I'd be happy if our timing naturally coincided with a +OPK and abstinence but I'm not trying too hard to force it.

Are you trying this cycle?

[Plum3]

Thanks guys. You are all the best, I really appreciate everything, being a newbie and all!

It's what i plan to do, Is track till Aug and regroup then. Hopefully have this all figured out by then, diets, supps. When to do the BD. Come Sept hopefully make our first attempt and then go from there.

Thank god Dh bought a new tv this weekend, he goes "you are obsessed with this website" now he has a boner over his new tv and he leaves me alone.

You make me laugh. My DH is the same with his xbox. He whines that I am on this new website all night these days.