started new thread as I'm getting lost!

[Beautifulrainbow]

Ok. I'm seriously not intending to quibble at all, I'm just going to mention why I do it that way.

I like people to have the option of doing each tactic for a month or two as per their choice. I think going from 1 attempt at pos to doing boy-friendly frequency to get pregnant by the 4th month is not enough time since many times people need a month just to figure it out or something might go wrong, like hubby has a late night at work or something. I feel good about this schedule, I've used it for years and only a couple of people have failed to get pregnant on the Clomid this way. Plus, it leave you guys with the option of moving up the schedule at any point in time, you can just decide to scoot along to the next option after only a month or even sooner.

Personally I do not like every 3 days with Clomid, unless you're doing it with one attempt at positive, because I do not think it always ups odds of conception by very much. I feel every 4 days plus one is better because most people end up with 2 good attempts in fertile window that way. Every 3 days is fine to play with when you have more than 6 months on the Clomid but on Clomid we only have the 6 months max to goof around with and thus I like to preserve those months for my fave methods that seem to work best for people. Every 3 days plus one attempt is good for odds of conception but can sometimes end up being 3 attempts in fertile window.

I don't want anyone DTD every other day. If you're ready to pull the trigger on getting pregnant, then do SMEP. Every other day just raises odds of blue without really increasing odds of conception that much. It's like the worst of both worlds in a lot of ways. You can easily end up with atempt on O-2 and O day, which is not any better than e4d or e3d plus one. SMEP is here Sperm Meets Egg Plan

thankyou for replying atomic, I started new threat as I'm getting lost amongst the others!
I did go see the gp yesterday over the bleeding, and well... I didn't get any answers from her really, I asked could it be due to low estrogen if so is there anything they can do, her respond was no just go talk to the fertility clinic on Friday, and see said you can have thin lining on different cycles every cycle is different. Also you can bleed at any time and it not be an af, it could be from the womb shedding some of its lining even if it's thin because of an in balance of hormones. Doc said what she normally does is make another appointment to take another look down there, and send me for yet more blood tests. (This is so aggravating as all test have come back clear) that appointment is not until January 27th, I was scared that clomid was really the right treatment for me as I read clomid just makes thin lining worse, all I got was, go ask the fertility consultant this is Beyond my expertise!

[purple]

I have had midcycle bleeding all last year and was quite concerned. The fertility specialist said it was just due to my hormone imbalance and not a problem (I also had ultrasounds so he could rule out other issues). Anyway now I'm on metformin it seems to have helped balance my hormones. Also the month I used clomid I didn't get the bleeding so it helped too. Try not to worry about it too much

[Beautifulrainbow]

Clomid is a great pink sway tactic. Here is the progression that I typically recommend with Clomid, I think I posted this in another thread so apologies if I am repeating myself. You obviously do NOT need to do it this way, I'm just tyring to demonstrate how I think it is best to progress on clomid from fewer attempts to more attempts. Do not just jump right in, first month out, going right to SMEP and count on the Clomid to sway pink for you. That's not how it works.

First month or two - BD one attempt at positive OPK.
Second month or two - every 4 days
third month or two - every 4 days plus one attempt at pos opk
6th month on Clomid - SMEP

DO NOT have hubby release every day. Doesn't work and really cuts odds of conception. In months with one attempt, have him do regular release every 2-4 days. In e4d months, just have that as his release.
YOu're already doing the most important thing to increase the chances that you will get pregnant with your PCO - you are on the Clomid! I think you should at least give it a try with Clomid + sway tactics before you start actively swaying blue in order to get pregnant. Too many people will go that way and it really hurts your chances.

I do not recommend cranberry for any women who are swaying. In this case I know more than the "experts" because I have seen a kajillion women taking it in lots of different circumstances and a)it doesn't work and b) causes so many side effects that it is frightening (including increased risk of miscarriage and bleeding in brain and stomach that may be fatal). YOu are very likely going to have very severe O pains on Clomid if you are on cranberry at the same time and it does not increase your odds of conception anyway. It also makes CM dry and hostile which Clomid can also do (and did I mention, it doesn't work??).

If you're asking me how it works - that I can't totally say. Estrogen may have some part to play because it affects EWCM quality and quantity, and Clomid blocks estrogen during the part of your cycle you're taking it. That is my guess.

If you're asking me (and this is what I think you are actually driving at here) if it still works to sway pink even if you're ovulating regularly, YES it does and I recommend it for anyone who can get ahold of it and is under 38 or so.

I have to confess to something. this would actually be my 1st round of clomid from fertility, but I got my hands on some for last cycle took them day 2-6 at 50mg I was worried that if I went to private fertility clinic it would of cost too much and it such a long waiting list on the nhs.
I did not ovulate on or around 5-10 days after we bd every other day and did not get pg and got my af on December 2nd! (A little shorter cycle than I previously had)
which is why this time I decided to go to the private clinic and have the consultants sort it all out!
So should I take this as my 2nd round of clomid or my 1st?

[Beautifulrainbow]

I have had midcycle bleeding all last year and was quite concerned. The fertility specialist said it was just due to my hormone imbalance and not a problem (I also had ultrasounds so he could rule out other issues). Anyway now I'm on metformin it seems to have helped balance my hormones. Also the month I used clomid I didn't get the bleeding so it helped too. Try not to worry about it too much

Yes no point worrying now and just tell them on Friday, I heard lots of people say they are on metaform along with clomid but nobody has mentioned this and has not mentioned that I have insulin resilience either which is what I read it's for.
I am slender so I think it has not shown up and it's why it has not been mentioned.i don't have a problem with my weight! As quoted below.

If I am prescribed metoform as well do I need to be taking this for a few months 1st or can they both be started together?

[Beautifulrainbow]

I found this article:

[/QUOTE]Q: Curious why you would suggest estrogen or think there would be estrogen deficiency with PCOS when it's progesterone that PCOS sufferers are lacking due to not ovulating. Adding estrogen will just make the problem worse.


A: While you are correct that many women with PCOS do produce adequate progesterone, there is more to the story. All too much that is written about this complex condition fails to discuss individual differences. Polycystic ovary syndrome is not one condition, but a group of conditions with overlapping symptoms. Different women with PCOS may have quite different hormonal patterns.

The most important factor is weight. Those women with PCOS have a different, and generally milder, condition than those who are significantly overweight.

Most of what is written about PCOS really refers only to those who are overweight. They bear the greatest burden of the condition and it is important that there is adequate information available about their problems. However, different women with the diagnosis of PCOS may have different problems and different needs.

My approach to PCOS is to separately consider each of the 4 features that can be associated with the condition.

First are skin and hair effects of testosterone: hair loss, acne, and increased facial and body hair. For women with the slender form of PCOS these are usually the primary concern.

Second is ovarian dysfunction, usually shown by irregular periods. In general, a normal cycle is between 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 weeks between periods. Longer (or, less often, shorter) intervals suggest an underlying hormonal condition. PCOS is the most common, but not the only, cause of infrequent periods. PCOS. In severe PCOS, there may be only 1 or 2 periods a year, and these may last for several weeks.

For slender women who have normal cycles but skin and hair changes, PCOS is a doubtful diagnosis.

The other features of PCOS are difficulty controlling weight and insulin resistance. High insulin levels are usual in overweight women with PCOS but uncommon in the slender form of the condition.

While anovulation is one of the features of PCOS, estrogen levels vary greatly in women who do not ovulate regularly. Especially in those who are overweight, or have very heavy periods when they do come, estrogen levels tend to be high. In slender women with PCOS it is common that estrogen levels are low. Low estrogen levels in this situation need to be addressed because of possible increased risk of osteoporosis, and even heart disease.

Estrogen deficiency prior to age 45 or 50 is associated with increased cardiovascular risk; abnormally low levels should be treated with hormone replacement, either an oral contraceptive or estrogen and progesterone. This treatment reduces health risk. The research on estrogen risks after menopause does not apply to estrogen deficient younger women.

Because progesterone protects the uterus against endometrial cancer, the lack of progesterone caused by anovulation creates an increased risk. The simplest way to address this situation is use of an oral contraceptive. For women who cannot take the pill, progesterone itself, taken for 12 consecutive days each month is an alternative.

Each woman with PCOS deserves to have her individual situation regarding estrogen and progesterone worked out, and treatment decided according. All women with PCOS are NOT alike. There is effective treatment for all women with PCOS, but no one treatment that is right for all women with this unfortunately very common condition.

Geoffrey Redmond MD[/QUOTE]

[purple]

Yes no point worrying now and just tell them on Friday, I heard lots of people say they are on metaform along with clomid but nobody has mentioned this and has not mentioned that I have insulin resilience either which is what I read it's for.
I am slender so I think it has not shown up and it's why it has not been mentioned.i don't have a problem with my weight! As quoted below.

If I am prescribed metoform as well do I need to be taking this for a few months 1st or can they both be started together?

I'm thin too so I think that is why it took so long for my pcos to get diagnosed. I also didn't have the high testosterone when I was tested before DS1. I think it really depends on the Dr you get as to what they decide to suggest. My dr gave me the option of clomid straight away but I wanted to wait for a few reasons.

You are only supposed to take clomid 6 months in a row at a time but I'm not sure about having a month or two in between. I also got hold of some from a friend but it will be about 3-4 months in between that cycle and future clomid cycles for me. I would hope neither of us get up to 6 cycles of clomid!

[Beautifulrainbow]

I'm thin too so I think that is why it took so long for my pcos to get diagnosed. I also didn't have the high testosterone when I was tested before DS1. I think it really depends on the Dr you get as to what they decide to suggest. My dr gave me the option of clomid straight away but I wanted to wait for a few reasons.

You are only supposed to take clomid 6 months in a row at a time but I'm not sure about having a month or two in between. I also got hold of some from a friend but it will be about 3-4 months in between that cycle and future clomid cycles for me. I would hope neither of us get up to 6 cycles of clomid!

Fingers crossed for us both, xxx I read that you can only take clomid for 18months in total in your life! But I won't be able to afford to do that and the consultant did say last Friday if I don't respond to 50mg this cycle next it will be 100 then 150 on 3rd and if I still don't respond to that then further investigation is needed.
I'm really hoping to get pg 1st time from clomid from consultant I really want my baby girl before then end of the year.
Oh I'm so demanding haha
My testosterone is 1.3 nmol im guessing it's low will google it to check later

[maidentomother]

On what CD do you think Oed last month? You said you took it CD2-6 but had NOT Oed by CD16? How long was the cycle? How long are your usual cycles, not on Clomid?

What CD are you on currently?

Clomid CAN cause the uterine lining to thin I some women but it is not common in women under 38 or so. How old are you?

Maybe you should ask for Femara, as it doesn't have the potential thin lining effect?

[Beautifulrainbow]

I am 31 years olds, my last cycle started October 10th 2015, took fertomid cd's 2-6. o'd cd 38 on 16th November 2015, total cycle length 53days next cycle started 2nd December 2015 til present I think as been spotting to light bleeding since Saturday 9th january 2016

[Beautifulrainbow]

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