Feeling sad.......

[atomic sagebrush]

I agree about the progesterone NOT helping pregnancy.

Progesterone is produced by the corpus luteum YES, but there is a feedback mechanism between the CL and the embryo after implantation which keeps progesterone levels high!

If an embryo is healthy, it sends signals to the CL to keep pumping out progesterone and levels stay high,

If an embryo is not healthy, the CL doesn't receive the signals and begins to shut down and drop progesterone levels which in turn begins the process of miscarriage. Taking progesterone artificially can prolong miscarriages.

This is why my progesterone levels were great and then started dropping off by 5-6 weeks. I was on 300 mg progesterone per day and my levels got raised but the embryo was not normal (proven by genetic testing) and the mc was delayed until 10 weeks about a week after i stopped the supplements.

thanks you worded this just perfectly.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh I'm sorry I thought you were taking cranberry plus aspirin, I am obviously mixed up, but yes aspirin is a blood thinner just like the cranberry so the effects are the same and I would not recommend for you.

The odds are very much that the egg was a bummer and that this was not a scarring issue. I'm sorry, I know it's not what you want to hear but it's just statistically speaking that is the case.

You and I are of similar age and I have not had a D and C but also find my periods very light too. I think it may just be where we are hormonally. I mention this because I feel like you're looking for evidence of scarring when it's probably just a natural change. I did get pregnant with my daughter after a month where I had a super duper barely there AF (sorry TMI!!) so I do know it does not mean that you can't still get preggo.

[MrsGoodies]

I agree Atomic.

Lighter periods just show how much the lining built up in the cycle prior.

High Estrogen = Thick lining = Heavy period

But as we age our estrogen levels fall, less CM produced, more vaginal dryness etc., also shorter follicular phases all add up to less estrogen and lighter periods.

I used to have a good 4-5 days of EWCM and now I'm lucky if I have a single day and I have to dig around up for it. It used to be a great clue on how close O was and now I haven't even got that to rely on...boo! I obviously have some up there or I couldn't have gotten pg but still it drives me buggy.

But low estrogen also sways girl so that is in our favor. Yippiee!

[MrsGoodies]

thanks you worded this just perfectly.

I would only add about the progesterone that the reason IVF women have to take it for 8 weeks is because when they suction out the eggs, ALL of the fluid is removed as well as a lot of the supporting granulosa cells which damages/destroys the corpus Luteum...... so RE's need an artificial mechanism to replace the job of the CL.

I guess so many women see hi-techers using progesterone to "support" pregnancy they assume it is accomplishing the same in natural cycles but it is not.

[1moregirl]

Thanks ladies. I'm just scared I think. I mean, this most recent loss was disappointing, but it was doable. Yet, anything over the 8 week Mark where you have a loss and need a D & C...I'm petrified of that. I feel like I almost have PTSD an I guess my biggest fear out of all this ttc business and miscarriage is death. My death, and leaving behind my 3 sweet little ones. I have a fear of hospitals, ambulances and I just don't know if I can continue to do it. If only I knew what the next egg was going to be like. I do know with my miscarriage pregnancies (the two of them) that I had light-headedness (almost dizziness) from early on and I'm quite sure I never had that with my three healthy pregnancies. Wonder if that's a sign for me it's a dodgy egg? I don't know. I just wish I could decide one way or the other and have peace with that decision.

[1moregirl]

1moregirl-- I have a golf ball sized endometrioma/chocolate cyst (blood and tissue filled cyst) on my left ovary that they are going to remove surgically. They put me on high dose progesterone hormone replacement therapy to see if it would shrink it but it did nothing. The pills have allowed me to skip two periods which was also a goal in order to build up my iron stores that I was depleting every month with my periods. My doctor will be looking for endometriosis in other places as well and she's doing the hysteroscopy to look for fibroids inside my uterus because I have super heavy periods each month and a "lumpy uterus."

You do not need to be put under general anesthesia for a hysteroscopy. My best friend was awake for the entire procedure.

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Thanks for replying Essence. How did your friend tolerate the hysteroscopy without the GA do you know? Did she get a local aesthetic into her cervix? I will def find out about that when my FS comes back from his leave. It's the GA that terrifies me the most. After my third baby was born I had a strange growth on my face (some sort of cyst) and in the end I had to see a plastic surgeon and get it removed. They wanted to give me a GA just for that but I was like....no way, so they just gave me a few local injections in my face and then cut it out and stitched it up. It wasn't pleasant, but I managed. It was down to money at the time though, as a GA was going to cost me a $500 fee, which I didn't have to pay if I opted out of the GA. Anyway, I will look into it. Doctors just seem to want to give us a general anaesthetic for every little surgical procedure they do on us these days. Anyway, if I don't have any scarring or adhesions, then they won't have to do anything too painful anyway right?

[atomic sagebrush]

I would only add about the progesterone that the reason IVF women have to take it for 8 weeks is because when they suction out the eggs, ALL of the fluid is removed as well as a lot of the supporting granulosa cells which damages/destroys the corpus Luteum...... so RE's need an artificial mechanism to replace the job of the CL.

I guess so many women see hi-techers using progesterone to "support" pregnancy they assume it is accomplishing the same in natural cycles but it is not.

and weirdly it is controversial in HT rounds too because they are not sure it is helping people get and stay pregnant even in IVF!!! Totally agree there is a real reason why tehy use in IVF

[atomic sagebrush]

I had extremely high levels of dizziness and lightheadedness nearly fainting with only my last pregnancy in the first trimester and I did end up with a baby. It was just a pregnancy symptom, please don't go looking for signs of bad eggs because you really cannot tell.

[1moregirl]

What do you think the odds are that my next BFP will be a dodgy egg as well?

[MrsGoodies]

What do you think the odds are that my next BFP will be a dodgy egg as well?

50 %

So i guess it would depend if you are a glass is half -empty or half-full kinda gal....