What the heck is going on?

[atomic sagebrush]

I don't think e4d+1 would work for you MrsG. I think it's more effective for women who O at CD14 or later, so there can be a bit of a gap between your last 4th day attempt and the one at +OPK. I guess if you can repeat what worked for you last time with getting a girl, you should just try and do that and at least you will have peace of mind with it. What diet do you follow for your girl sway?

No, it's appropriate for everyone and anyone who is older may need to continue it. It does not matter one iota what day anyone Oes on or if there is a gap or not. You are not supposed to try for any particular day of BD or any particular gap with that.

I know you are not hearing me 1more and are tired of me saying it again and again, but no one should try to do what they did to get a girl (nor the opposite of what got you boys). Do what has worked for most people, most of the time, because I can all but guarantee that first of all it was not some magic pattern of BD on this day, that day, this day, 2tmes in a row, or whatever, that made anyone's baby for them. And secondly, this obsessing over old calendars and debating this stuff in your mind is swaying blue by far and away more than DTD on a particular day or pattern ever could.

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks Atomic.

This was a very odd cycle to be sure.

I am not sure I understand e4d, e3d, e4d+1??

Like if AF leaves cd 5, then e4d= bd cd 6, 10, 14 even if O happens to be on cd 11?? O-1 day cut off

or e3d = bd 6, 9, 12 0-2 day cut off or possibly 0+12 if cd12 did it?

or e4d+1 = bd 6, 10 AND 11?? Right on top of O? how would that not sway boy?

DH likes e2d.

My BD pattern when I conceived my dd was:

AF 1-6, BD cd 7 x2, BD cd 9 AM, +OPK cd10, O cd 11..... so looks like e2d with a 2-2.5 day cut off

I know for sure bd right AT O does not work for me as far as swaying goes. I will never bd AT or after a +OPK ever again.

e4d is BD unprotected every 4 days. We have 75% success for pink doing this. It's an easy way of being in with pretty much one attempt in fertile window, without having to stress about it.

e4d plus one is BD e4d plus one more attempt at pos OPK, and e3d is BD every 3 days. Both of these shake out to be 2 attempts in fertile window and boost odds of conception while being slightly more blue friendly and are used by people who are in a bit more of a hurry to get pregnant.

e2d does seem to sway blue and should be avoided.

With these methods you do not try to get the attempt to come out on a certain day. It falls when it falls and you should instead try to put it all out of the back of your mind.

It doesn't sway because timing doesn't work. BD on O Day does not work for swaying. It just doesn't. 50-50 boys and girls conceived on O Day and O-1 proven in studies that used the best technology to pinpoint O Day. That means you can BD on O adn get a boy, sure, but you can also get a girl. I got boys with cutoffs, you got boys with cutoffs, it's because timing doesn't work. If you can't give timing up, that's totally up to you, and in that case have the one attempt at pos OPK, or since you don't want to do that, when your OPK is very dark.

[atomic sagebrush]

3 nighs pos opk - you can't tell when you Oed based on how long yoru OPK stay positive for. Unfortunately for us, the OPK do not detect actual ovulation, they detect the hormone in your urine that triggers your body to ovulate. Some months it either takes a while to clear your body or you can gear up to ovulate and even have a detectable surge but your body doesn't release an egg, then you have another surge and ovulate the second time, so have a bunch of pos in a row either way.

FF saying you already Oed means the odds are good you did and it's just taking a while to clear your system. But I wouldn't hang my hat on that esp. since you are only on CD 12 and would plan for another attempt.

[1moregirl]

atomic - I DO totally hear you. I don't even know where my old chart of when I conceived DD is any more, as I've lost it. And I was planning, if I do ttc again, to just go back to the one attempt at pos OPK and see how it goes for a bit. I do find though, the one area I need the most help with, is the diet I should be on. Is it LE fertility diet? I'm just hopeless at diets and always have been. But, I won't hijack MrsG's post any further...sorry, I get rambling on and carried away sometimes. Lol! MrsG - I would probably just do the one attempt at pos OPK if I was you, as it's always just sooo hard to try and repeat old patterns anyway.

[atomic sagebrush]

No, no, I want you guys to feel free to talk amongst yourselves I just have to be a buttinski at times.

Yes, I think you would do best (and in fact any mom in their 40's who is reading this!) is best off on atomic fertility diet.

[1moregirl]

MrsG where are you? How did you go with your last cycle of ttc? I've been thinking of you whilst away. Hope you get a sticky BFP very soon.

[Walkiria]

Hi im pregnant with my 4 child and in 41. My third kid is 9 and this baby is from my husband not same father of the kids. We have been together for almost 7 years and more than 2 years making stadies and trying to get pregnant. Just about to make firts IA in march when a week before meeting found out i was pregnant. So a miracle! What i was going to tell you is that i didnt used this time sticks to predict ovulation but i did when got second infertility when looking for my second baby over and year. There i learned to do charts taking temps and using sticks. This time didnt use sticks but this last years always always have big pain ovulation. It never occur when im ovulating it start as a 7 5 days before ovulation. I feel al sore and much cramps and pain but not ovulating. Then i started to notice it and know when start my fertile time. Then about three _two days after ovulation i have the mucus like egg but lot and always always get a spot or even like if i will start my period. I asked many doctors they didnt pai attention to it although i thought it was strange but ut seams to be my most fertile day and getting track of temperature always always ovulate 2 or 3 days before spot and pain. And at time.of ovulation pains go away. So perhaps tjat helps you getvtrack of your cicle. It always pain to me before and never when ovulating. Pains goes aways enterily that and increase and temperature show i have ovulated day before. Best of luch for you. Abd hope get your baby soon. Blessings