HFLC diet while swaying for a girl?

[RonsWifey2011]

I am completely overwhelmed by all of the information on this site, and just have a few questions.

First, I am eating a high fat, low carbohydrate diet, and have been for about 9 months. I really don't want to change it too much, as I still have about 45 pounds I want to lose. I never eat breakfast, just a cup of coffee. I have a couple ounces of cheese for lunch, and some form of chicken with either green beans or broccoli for dinner most nights. I have been avoiding red meat, tomatoes and obviously potatoes. I do occasionally have bacon or salami, but have been trying to avoid that too. How much of an impact will this have on my sway?

Second, DH is 48, so I am skeptical about doing things like jump and dump or lime douche. I am worried with his age, and I am 31 so I am no spring chicken either, that it may hinder conception. Can anyone weigh in on this?

Third, we have been considering following SMEP this cycle, as that is what we did when we conceived our daughter in 2013. However, I hear this sways boy so I don't know.

Side note, although it may not make a difference, we have been ATTC since June, and I had a miscarriage/chemical pregnancy around 4 weeks in the beginning of August. I am currently on CD2 of my second cycle after the loss.

Supplements: I am currently taking calcium citrate, magnessium, cranberry (until + OPK), folic acid and biotin. I was taking prenatals until yesterday, but I read that it sways boy so I replaced them with the folic acid.

I would really appreciate some insight, as I am really lost. I want to do as much as I possibly can to favor conceiving a daughter, although I know there are no guarantees. Thank you in advance!

[RonsWifey2011]

I forgot to add that I am also taking vitamin C. Does anyone have any advice?

[babygirl]

The le diet is low nutrients so drop all supps accept folic acid. Skipping breakfast is good and overall you want low nutrients and to keep to 2-3 meals with no snacking.no still struggle with it all so hope others Chime in

[GirlieCat]

Can you think back to see when you may have ovulated?? Does it help shed any light?? Because it looks to me like you may have Oed a couple days later than FF thought and had basically no attempts during that period.

LE Diet is sticking in these limits:

1500-1800 cals for most (a few people eat a little more or a little less, this is just ballpark)
40-50 g protein for most
30-60 g fat for most

Low carb vegetables are free and unlimited (meaning you don't count them for anything and you have to hit the above totals without them
High carb veg and fruit are free for protein and fat, but count calories

Eating 2 or 3 meals a day, avoiding snacks, and pushing breakfast back a few hours or skipping it if you can

Avoiding or strictly limiting highly fortified foods like breakfast cereal and protein bars

Most people find that going totally vegetarian makes it easier to stick in the limits, but you can have meat now and then if you'd like.

Getting most of your protein and fat intake from vegetable sources rather than animal.

I always made the same thing for myself and my family, I just ate the sides and skipped the meat.

The statistics are misleading because different groups of people do the various tactics and so we have to be able to look deeper to understand what is really happening. I believe based on studies that most people who think they got pregnant with a 4 day or more cutoff were wrong about when they ovulated (because it is very difficult to get pregnant with that long a cutoff and studies have indicated that it's really difficult to pin down O to the day without blood tests or ultrasounds). But those people did have the one attempt, so it makes it look like timing was swaying when really it was the number of attempts. Overall, one attempt in the fertile window has been very consistent. I do not recommend anyone ever TRY for a 4 day or more cutoff because done correctly that has a small chance of conception (and the longer cutoffs like 5-6 days are next to impossible) but as long as you have one attempt, that's what seems to matter.

Every 4 days is just an easy way to have one attempt without having to think about it too much.

Ronswifey, I attached a quote from Atomic above that has lots of good info for you.

The LE is supposed to be low fat not high, but not sure what limit you think is high.

The supplements are very blue. Most ladies just take folic acid (not sure about cranberry though). Cal and Mag are used with blue sways usually.

[GirlieCat]

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/intr...429-hello.html link to the whole post where Atomics quote came from.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi and welcome!

If you are actively losing weight on a lower nutrient diet than you were eating when you got your boys (if you have any LOL) then that can still sway pink. Your diet does not actually sound terrible to me (and if that is high fat, I can't imagine what you were eating before!!) It looks fairly low in fat actually and LE Diet allows up to 60 g of fat. You may want to try eating more vegetable based fats vs. animal, since that has been shown in studies to sway pink.

You do not need to avoid potatoes and tomatoes for swaying pink. That is ONLY for people doing the French Gender type diets where they are drinking tons of milk and limiting potassium. On LE Diet we are not doing that (and neither are you it appears to me) and you need to get potassium from somewhere (2500-3500 mg a day is what your body needs and this is the same on all swaying diets, you aren't compromising your sway at all by doing that.)

I hate douching and never recommend lime douche. Most of us only do jump and dump after 5-10 minutes and not immediately. Being 31 will not hinder conception!! Your husband's age may make things a bit harder but as long as you're not doing a long abstain or giving him licorice root it should not impinge on anything.

I do think SMEP tends to sway blue but as you know already, just because something sways doens't make it a magic bullet. Again, this is fine if you prefer to do SMEP. It is your sway, your way. I would like to suggest instead a compromise that ups odds of conception but we have had success swaying pink with. Having unprotected sex every 4 days and then one more attempt at positive OPK. This has gotten good results for us with conception and swaying pink.

I would strongly urge you to go back onto the prenatals in order to wean off them gradually. The body doesn't "like" sudden drops in nutrients like that. Just gradually space doses over the next 3 weeks till down to one a week and then drop.

It is time to drop the cranberry. May cut odds of conception and is not safe for you. Our results showed it did nothing anyway.

Cal-mag is at your discretion. Many of us on here got boy opposites taking them and so it was very easy for us to give them up! But I understand that others are not "there yet" and may want to continue taking them and that is totally up to you. I would wean off the biotin though.

One thing I strongly urge you add is 60 minutes of cardio exercise 6-7 days a week (or even 4-5 if you can). When you're not dieting quite as strictly, it is a way to make up a lot of ground for your sway and has been among one of our best sway tactics.

[atomic sagebrush]

I forgot to add that I am also taking vitamin C. Does anyone have any advice?

I would personally wean off the Vit. C as well.

[RonsWifey2011]

Hi and welcome!

If you are actively losing weight on a lower nutrient diet than you were eating when you got your boys (if you have any LOL) then that can still sway pink. Your diet does not actually sound terrible to me (and if that is high fat, I can't imagine what you were eating before!!) It looks fairly low in fat actually and LE Diet allows up to 60 g of fat. You may want to try eating more vegetable based fats vs. animal, since that has been shown in studies to sway pink.

You do not need to avoid potatoes and tomatoes for swaying pink. That is ONLY for people doing the French Gender type diets where they are drinking tons of milk and limiting potassium. On LE Diet we are not doing that (and neither are you it appears to me) and you need to get potassium from somewhere (2500-3500 mg a day is what your body needs and this is the same on all swaying diets, you aren't compromising your sway at all by doing that.)

I hate douching and never recommend lime douche. Most of us only do jump and dump after 5-10 minutes and not immediately. Being 31 will not hinder conception!! Your husband's age may make things a bit harder but as long as you're not doing a long abstain or giving him licorice root it should not impinge on anything.

I do think SMEP tends to sway blue but as you know already, just because something sways doens't make it a magic bullet. Again, this is fine if you prefer to do SMEP. It is your sway, your way. I would like to suggest instead a compromise that ups odds of conception but we have had success swaying pink with. Having unprotected sex every 4 days and then one more attempt at positive OPK. This has gotten good results for us with conception and swaying pink.

I would strongly urge you to go back onto the prenatals in order to wean off them gradually. The body doesn't "like" sudden drops in nutrients like that. Just gradually space doses over the next 3 weeks till down to one a week and then drop.

It is time to drop the cranberry. May cut odds of conception and is not safe for you. Our results showed it did nothing anyway.

Cal-mag is at your discretion. Many of us on here got boy opposites taking them and so it was very easy for us to give them up! But I understand that others are not "there yet" and may want to continue taking them and that is totally up to you. I would wean off the biotin though.

One thing I strongly urge you add is 60 minutes of cardio exercise 6-7 days a week (or even 4-5 if you can). When you're not dieting quite as strictly, it is a way to make up a lot of ground for your sway and has been among one of our best sway tactics.

For the LE diet, I should have between 1500-1800 calories, 40-50g of protein and 30-60g of fat. My diet I am currently following requires me to eat less than 20g of carbs a day, so those come from vegetables, I can't eat bread, rice or pasta. I decided to switch up the cheese I have at lunch to broccoli/cauliflower to help cut the protein. I am also going to be weighing my chicken before I cook it for dinner, to ensure I eat no more than 4 ounces, since that is 35g of protein! I think I was eating between 6-8 ounces before, I just didn't know

For supplements, I took your suggestion to stop the cranberry, vitamin c, biotin and calcium. I can't stop the magnesium, as my diet is lacking in that, and I was told I needed to supplement. I notice if I don't take it, my muscles really ache. So, the only thing I will keep taking is the magnesium and folic acid. Should I be taking 800mcg of folic acid or more/less? Also, a lot of foods that contain potassium I can't eat because of my carb limits. Are supplements okay?

For frequency, you recommend every 4 days, with one last attempt at positive OPK, correct? I usually ovulate on cd 18, with a positive OPK 1-2 days before that. So if I start every 4th day on cd 8, my final attempt would be 2 days after previous attempt. Is that still going to sway pink?

Add in 60 minutes of cardio at least 4-5 days a week, preferably 6-7 days a week once my diet isn't so restrictive.

Finally, since I am basically starting my sway plan today, would it have an impact if I were to conceive this cycle? I am currently on cd 6, so I would only be following the diet approximately 2 weeks before ovulation. I don't know how all of this works, but we have been trying for several months with a 2-3 day cutoff (I have since learned that shettles method has been debunked) so we are ready to be pregnant already!

Sorry for the novel, just a lot to take in! Thank you so much for all of your help!

[RonsWifey2011]

I forgot to mention the supplements/medications DH is taking (not for swaying, but I am curious if they might have an effect on it). He is taking calcium, magnesium, saw palmetto, L-lysine, vitamin c and medication to lower his cholesterol. He also takes Tylenol/Motrin daily for pain. Would love some input. Thank you in advance

[atomic sagebrush]

I want you to up your protein and fat both to 50-60 g at the minimum and maybe more like 60-70. That's still going to be more than you were eating before.

Yes yes keep going with the magnesium. I like everyone to be on 1200-1600 mcg folic (especially since you are not eating any things like fortified grains and such) just to be on the safe side.

What do you normally do for potassium??? Things like chicken and dairy do have quite a bit of potassium in them. I'd probalby just do a coconut water if that is allowed for you.

2 attempts may be slightly more blue friendly but it is better than SMEP!!

We got poor results with less than 6 weeks on diet BUT ya gotta do what ya gotta do and personally if I'd been TTC several months I'd be inclined to go for it.

Shettles is really really bad at getting people pregnant unfortunately so I would try either doing every 4 days (without the extra attempt) OR every 4 days plus one (like we talked about) or just one attempt on O-1 instead of such a long cutoff. Any of those things will be better odds of conception than Shettles cutoff.