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[JJ66]

Well, you don't know that you did O, may have been a faker, I'd have another attempt and e4d it from here on in unless you're 110% sure you have ovulated.

While we're on the subject, why don't we (pink swayers) all just do E4D? If it still counts as one attempt (or does it)? Does E4D slightly lean any more toward blue?

[atomic sagebrush]

It has to do with a) the fact that we really don't know how any of this actually works and b) the origins of one attempt.

in the early days of the site, no one had guessed that number of attempts swayed pink. So we were having people keep going doing things like timing, frequency, antihistamine, jelly/douche, supplements, all of which cut odds of conception hugely, and had them add attempts to get pregnant. This was our lowest success rate of the site for pink - 58%. Our results showed us that none of those things were even working - same number of people got girls with and without them.
Thankfully, we just happened by chance to keep track of the number of attempts people were doing and realized something very shocking...people who got pregnant from just one attempt had 70-75% success rate (depending on the month the number went up and down a little but in that range) This fell all the way down to 60-65% with 2 attempts, and then plummeted to 40-45% with three attempts. This was all in people who were doing tons of other things (all of which we proved were totally neutral in results, not swaying pink or blue) to sway pink and having otherwise great sways.

And in the meantime, LE Diet and exercise were clearly working! It was a huge puzzle and the only solution to the puzzle appeared to be that number of attempts was swaying strongly in some way we still do not understand.

So once I noticed that (because at that point in time we were all desperate to understand what we could possibly be doing wrong to get such terrible results!) I started having people reverse course, keep one attempt as long as possible and drop the other stuff (which again, was not working) to boost odds of conception with the one attempt. Our results IMMEDIATELY within the span of like 2 months, did a 180 and went up and up and there it has stayed since.

Long story short, one attempt has completely proven itself to me. I don't know how or why it works, but I do believe based on all that, that it DOES work. Our results have declined on one attempt over time but that is because (IMO) a LOT of people fudge on other things, start trying too soon, etc and now rely on one attempt to carry the day for them. But having seen that history I still maintain (and likely always will unless I get some hard data disproving it) that one attempt is best for pink.

Now, e4d is what I consider to be one attempt. But the thing is we don't know how or why one attempt even works. And we don't have the same quality of data on e4d to prove to me that it is really as shizztastic as the one attempt is. So, I don't trust the e4d anywhere near as much as I do the one attempt and so I can't in good conscience have you guys start off with e4d except for the handful of people for whom that makes the most sense, of course).

As it sits here and now based on 10 years of results and observations I believe one attempt is more proven reliable than e4d is and thus that is why I recommend starting off with one atttempt and only going to e4d after at least 2 months with one attempt.

[xtina33]

Hi ladies, how are you all?

I’m now venturing into my 7th week of pregnancy and have an early scan booked for this Monday! Woohoo ..

So my question is, shall I ask the u/s tech what side my placenta has started forming for Ramzi guesses? Or is Ramzi just rubbish ?

Thanks guys!

[atomic sagebrush]

After having seen people send Dr. Ramzi $10 to guess on their ultrasound and he guessed wrong, and learning that Ramzi never published his "study" for independent review, I can no longer believe there is anything to it at all and suggest not even bothering with it.

[JJ66]

It has to do with a) the fact that we really don't know how any of this actually works and b) the origins of one attempt.

in the early days of the site, no one had guessed that number of attempts swayed pink. So we were having people keep going doing things like timing, frequency, antihistamine, jelly/douche, supplements, all of which cut odds of conception hugely, and had them add attempts to get pregnant. This was our lowest success rate of the site for pink - 58%. Our results showed us that none of those things were even working - same number of people got girls with and without them.
Thankfully, we just happened by chance to keep track of the number of attempts people were doing and realized something very shocking...people who got pregnant from just one attempt had 70-75% success rate (depending on the month the number went up and down a little but in that range) This fell all the way down to 60-65% with 2 attempts, and then plummeted to 40-45% with three attempts. This was all in people who were doing tons of other things (all of which we proved were totally neutral in results, not swaying pink or blue) to sway pink and having otherwise great sways.

And in the meantime, LE Diet and exercise were clearly working! It was a huge puzzle and the only solution to the puzzle appeared to be that number of attempts was swaying strongly in some way we still do not understand.

So once I noticed that (because at that point in time we were all desperate to understand what we could possibly be doing wrong to get such terrible results!) I started having people reverse course, keep one attempt as long as possible and drop the other stuff (which again, was not working) to boost odds of conception with the one attempt. Our results IMMEDIATELY within the span of like 2 months, did a 180 and went up and up and there it has stayed since.

Long story short, one attempt has completely proven itself to me. I don't know how or why it works, but I do believe based on all that, that it DOES work. Our results have declined on one attempt over time but that is because (IMO) a LOT of people fudge on other things, start trying too soon, etc and now rely on one attempt to carry the day for them. But having seen that history I still maintain (and likely always will unless I get some hard data disproving it) that one attempt is best for pink.

Now, e4d is what I consider to be one attempt. But the thing is we don't know how or why one attempt even works. And we don't have the same quality of data on e4d to prove to me that it is really as shizztastic as the one attempt is. So, I don't trust the e4d anywhere near as much as I do the one attempt and so I can't in good conscience have you guys start off with e4d except for the handful of people for whom that makes the most sense, of course).

As it sits here and now based on 10 years of results and observations I believe one attempt is more proven reliable than e4d is and thus that is why I recommend starting off with one atttempt and only going to e4d after at least 2 months with one attempt.

Well, I'll tell ya: I think I got my BFP. And with just the one attempt! I'm not completely 100% as I just got a very, very faint line, so I'll test again tomorrow. But fingers crossed this is it!

And I'm loving the explanation above. DATA. Brilliant!

[atomic sagebrush]

We need pix! LOL!! FXFXFX

[JJ66]

We need pix! LOL!! FXFXFX

Well obviously by "I'll test again tomorrow", I meant "I'm going to buy another one immediately and will test today." Which I did. BFP again!

I'm going to enjoy this moment, before I start to freak out, just at the very notion of having four children. Whose idea was this anyway?

[atomic sagebrush]

Ha ha! I feel ya there! Even though my older ones are adults they still need a lot of time, let alone the little ones, and some days I'm like "I want MY mom for a change, LOL"

[JJ66]

Ha ha! I feel ya there! Even though my older ones are adults they still need a lot of time, let alone the little ones, and some days I'm like "I want MY mom for a change, LOL"

Right!? Somebody bring ME some chicken nuggets for once.

[xtina33]

Hi girls ..

Unfortunately I have misscarried my little one at 8 weeks. It was a silent miscarriage and only picked up on a scan yesterday. I’m sad. Can’t really think about my next steps etc, but keen to try fairly soon again...

How long should I wait until we can actively start trying again? My doc wants me to try naturally for a few months before starting Clomid again, and if I’m totally honest, I feel so nervous about Clomid.. I can’t help but think I did something wrong... I know it’s not the case , but anyway, do you think maybe this miscarriage will kick start my cycles back to normal? Are you more fertile after a loss?

Thank you for all your support through this xxxx