Gynae scan today...strange comment re ovulation

[1moregirl]

I had my tummy and transvaginal scan today one by a gynaecologist and everything looked good he said. I really just wanted this done since I have had problems with diarrhoea and was concerned about ovarian or cervical cancers. Anyway, it all looked fine he said, but he told me he thought I'd just Oed. And I said, well that can't be right because I am only on CD 12 and I usually O on CD 16 or 17. I have never Oed earlier than CD14 in my life. However, it is odd because the day before yesterday I had a bit of EWCM so I did an OPK in the afternoon (a reliable brand one from the Chemist - Ovuplan) and it was a definite negative. I did one again this afternoon and it was a definite negative. I didn't do one yesterday. I usually have 2 days of positive OPKs before I O. I asked the doctor doing the scan what made him think I had ovulated and he replied that something looked "thick" and like I was mid-cycle. He did say that the machines can sometimes be wrong though. But I thought it was all very strange. Could it be possible that I sometimes O twice in one cycle? I thought I had some pain yesterday that felt like O pain but I dismissed it as some trapped wind somewhere because the pain kind of felt like I had to pass wind (sorry for tmi) and my O pains in the past have felt similar but stronger. I feel like something really weird is going on and am worried now. Could having more folic acid than usual cause an older Mum to O twice in one cycle? If I Oed yesterday, then we BD without a condom 4 and 5 days ago. I had marked only chart for CD 10 S for sticky as that's kinda what it seemed like. How confusing. And this doctor (gynae) even wants me to ring up and leave a message for him with the reception ladies if I get pos OPKs and O on CD 16 or 17, like I usually do (and was expecting this time as well). Has anyone heard of this sort of situation before?

[nuthinbutpink]

Did he see any large follicles present? What did your ovaries look like? You would need a progesterone test to know if you ovulated.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, it's absolutely, certainly, totally and completely possible to O on CD 12 and it doesn't matter one whit to your body if it's always done this or that, it can change it at any time (and does LOL, trust me on that). I "always" O on CD 14 forever and ever and ever except for these two times and I got pregnant both those times!!!

Then again, sometimes they aren't accurate either reading the scans or doing them, and i've seen people have scans from the best clinics in the country where they were told they hadn't ovulated and wouldn't any time soon and then come up with a positive pregnancy test a few days later so it is possibe for them to misread the scan as well.

Regardless, there is ZERO reason to worry about ovulating on CD 12 vs CD 16. Both are normal, like how it can rain or snow in the winter.

The issue at hand is that you can both or either have a neg. opk and have ovulated, or have a posiive OPK when you aren't ovulating. So even if you do get a pos on CD 16, that doesn't necessarily mean you didn't already O.

You cannot and are not OIng twice in one cycle. Biologically impossible. I think he is more curious than anything and honesty I kind of like that in a doctor, as in that he is still trying to learn more about how it all works instead of just deciding, "well I learned this in doctor school and that's that"

[atomic sagebrush]

Did he see any large follicles present? What did your ovaries look like? You would need a progesterone test to know if you ovulated.

there is a reason why they rely on bloodwork and not scans!

[maidentomother]

It really sounds like he was just assuming based on the appearance of your lining and, possibly, he saw your corpus luteum cyst from last cycle's O and guessed it was from recent O. But since he didn't mention a cyst or your ovaries at all, I'm guessing it was just based on a nice triple layer uterine lining.

Since it sounds like he didn't look at your ovaries and he didn't do a blood test, he cannot know that you recently Oed or that you will soon or won't for several days. I would not assume that you've already Oed and I would guess that you will O after you get a positive OPK. I strongly suggest you start temping immediately if you want to have a good idea of when exactly you Oed this cycle.

He sounds like a nice dr but not necessarily super knowledgeable IMO.

[1moregirl]

Yes. He certainly didn't sound 100% certain that I had ovulated but wanted me to call and leave him a message if I get positive OPKs and the EWCM around that time as well to indicate O. He was a pretty old doctor so I would've thought he knew his stuff, and I guess that's what made me feel confused. I didn't even think to ask him about my ovaries and follicles. I got in there and had a mind blank I guess. I am seeing my doctor to get the results so I guess I can ask her any questions as well. I had another neg OPK test yesterday as well but will just keep testing once a day now. I do remember noting though some of what I thought was EWCM on CD 10 or 11 though and I remember thinking at the time how unusual this was since I'd only just finished my period a few days beforehand. Will be interesting to see then. The gynae doc also told me that going by my scan and what he was seeing he would be expecting me to get my period in about 10 days time. Interesting...I don't think I have this but there is such a thing as hyperovulation where women can ovulate more than once in one cycle.

[maidentomother]

Yeah but with hyperO the eggs are usually released within hours of each other, not a week apart! I am a regular hyperOer myself and it's very rare that the eggs don't release very close together or even at the same time. It still counts as one O, even hyperOers don't O 'multiple times'. O happens just once per cycle, it's the number of eggs released at that time that can vary, not actual incidence of O.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes. He certainly didn't sound 100% certain that I had ovulated but wanted me to call and leave him a message if I get positive OPKs and the EWCM around that time as well to indicate O. He was a pretty old doctor so I would've thought he knew his stuff, and I guess that's what made me feel confused. I didn't even think to ask him about my ovaries and follicles. I got in there and had a mind blank I guess. I am seeing my doctor to get the results so I guess I can ask her any questions as well. I had another neg OPK test yesterday as well but will just keep testing once a day now. I do remember noting though some of what I thought was EWCM on CD 10 or 11 though and I remember thinking at the time how unusual this was since I'd only just finished my period a few days beforehand. Will be interesting to see then. The gynae doc also told me that going by my scan and what he was seeing he would be expecting me to get my period in about 10 days time. Interesting...I don't think I have this but there is such a thing as hyperovulation where women can ovulate more than once in one cycle.

So they say (about the hyperovulation) but I was actually lucky enough to get to talk to Dr. Potter about this and based on available research, he and I both concur that while there may occasionally be a thing where an ovary poops out an egg randomly possibly to get rid of it, it does NOT mean it it ovulation because the hormones aren't right. The egg is probably not fertilizable, the corpus lutuem won't form (or not correctly), and the lining would not support a pregnancy. So you need to interpret ovulation as NOT "egg emerges from ovary" but instead as a process in which an egg comes out that can be fertilized and end in conception.

Hyperovulation, real, true, hyperovulation, is within a very narrow window, 24 hours maximum and usually closer than that. ANY woman can have that, and it gets more common with age

I got my first son BD right after I got off AF. Was I ever shocked. That was when we were young and superhuman of course.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yeah but with hyperO the eggs are usually released within hours of each other, not a week apart! I am a regular hyperOer myself and it's very rare that the eggs don't release very close together or even at the same time. It still counts as one O, even hyperOers don't O 'multiple times'. O happens just once per cycle, it's the number of eggs released at that time that can vary, not actual incidence of O.

if the corpus luteum forms properly it inhibits the release of any other eggs.

[1moregirl]

Thanks for explaining ladies. I got an almost positive OPK this morning but not quite as the second line was not 'as dark as or darker than' the control line. I am thinking I will get the positive tomorrow CD 15 or CD 16. I am just now worried as we haven't BD since CD 7 so what should I do ladies? We were meant to be BD every 3-4 days but it just hasn't happened this week due to being first week back to school (with 2 kids instead of 1) so we've all been exhausted.