Help with plan and FR vs Abstaining

[amari]

As my 1st attempt (hopefully) approaches I would really love some input. Here is what I am doing:

Started off on a girl diet about a month or so ago with cal/mag, cranberry, folic acid.

Switched to LE diet about 3 weeks ago. Just on baby aspirin, folic acid, and fiber now. DH on licorice root.

I will take my last pill tonight to get my period going, and once that starts (fingers crossed) I will start clomid on cycle days 5-9).

I don't test my ph but drink lots of cl, pep tea and rrl tea with equal. i will have to ease up on the aspartame around O because atomic says that i will be too dry due too the clomid. this means i also can't use the rephresh or aci-jelly or benadryl. (i actually am weaning off benadryl which i have been using as a sleep aid for months, down to a tiny sliver).

I am eating breakfast now but will stop around O time.

So, my plan and questions, i am confused as to whether to do frequent release or abstain? if we do fr we will start at af and go through to +opk, at +opk he will release one more time and then we will do an attempt and then the same thing the next day, one more release outside and the one more attempt? Do I have this right? if we abstain the we have an attempt at +opk.

My questions keeping in mind i will be on clomid:
1. Frequent release or abstain? I am concerned b/c ds1 was conceived after 18 days of sex but no other sway factors of course.
2. if fr, dump first batch before first attempt and dump batch before second attempt?
3. Jump and dump? after each attempt?
4. if abstain, do you dump batch before second attempt or do you only do one attempt?
5. Should we do 2 or 3 attempts? if we do fr?
Am i missing anything? Thanks, i know this is long, i am relatively new to all this and the clomid si throwing me off!

[zanacal]

Hi amari - I answered you on the TTC pink thread

[Cinss]

I think FR produces healthier sperm than Abstain.

[atomic sagebrush]

1)Frequent by a factor of a zillion. Abstain is REALLY bad for sperm and I don't like anyone abstaining with Clomid.
2)If you are doing straight FR, I would not dump any of them. If he's been releasing 7-10 days in a row and pref. longer, his count is prob. down already. If you MUST you can dump ONE of the first batches but I would prefer you used the first batch on at least one attempt in your fertile window. You are getting mixed up between compressed FR and FR.
3)No jump and dump while on Clomid. Stay laying down for 5 minutes and then you can J and D.
4)I would prefer you did not abstain and if you DO abstain, do not dump any batches.
5)I think with Clomid you may even want to do 5 attempts. So DH releases for 7-10 days before your first attempt. Then have an attempt o-3, o-2, o-1, o day, and day after o (in case you release two eggs and miss the first). I do not think you should dump any batches or do jump and dump right afterwards, except possibly the one on O day if you feel that you absolutely MUST.

With Clomid, please always keep in mind that you need to get pg as quickly as you possibly can and the Clomid will do some swaying for you. By the 3 month mark, the Clomid is already really affecting your ability to get pg and by 6 months, you might as well be on birth control. Plus, the more you are on it now, the more dangerous it becomes to go onto in in the future. Most responsible doctors have a lifetime limit of the number of months you can use Clomid (and it's usu less than a year.) so if you were to need it in the future, you would no longer be able to use it without upping your risk of certain cancers.

[amari]

1)Frequent by a factor of a zillion. Abstain is REALLY bad for sperm and I don't like anyone abstaining with Clomid.
2)If you are doing straight FR, I would not dump any of them. If he's been releasing 7-10 days in a row and pref. longer, his count is prob. down already. If you MUST you can dump ONE of the first batches but I would prefer you used the first batch on at least one attempt in your fertile window. You are getting mixed up between compressed FR and FR.
3)No jump and dump while on Clomid. Stay laying down for 5 minutes and then you can J and D.
4)I would prefer you did not abstain and if you DO abstain, do not dump any batches.
5)I think with Clomid you may even want to do 5 attempts. So DH releases for 7-10 days before your first attempt. Then have an attempt o-3, o-2, o-1, o day, and day after o (in case you release two eggs and miss the first). I do not think you should dump any batches or do jump and dump right afterwards, except possibly the one on O day if you feel that you absolutely MUST.

With Clomid, please always keep in mind that you need to get pg as quickly as you possibly can and the Clomid will do some swaying for you. By the 3 month mark, the Clomid is already really affecting your ability to get pg and by 6 months, you might as well be on birth control. Plus, the more you are on it now, the more dangerous it becomes to go onto in in the future. Most responsible doctors have a lifetime limit of the number of months you can use Clomid (and it's usu less than a year.) so if you were to need it in the future, you would no longer be able to use it without upping your risk of certain cancers.

Thanks, ok, I was confusing the compressed fr and fr. How the hell do I know o-3 is? Would that be the first + opk or would that be even before that, like the first twinge of an O pain if I get one?

It is all coming together I think! Thank you! I guess it does make things simple that I can't really do much but have sex, right?!

[rainbowflower]

do you have regular cycles? do you temp? that could help you predict OV
you could start your daily BD when you see the first fertile CM - usually you only get up to 5 days of that before OV

the first twinge of O pain could be after OV, and you could also OV the same day you get a pos OPK - it depends on you and what your body does

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks, ok, I was confusing the compressed fr and fr. How the hell do I know o-3 is? Would that be the first + opk or would that be even before that, like the first twinge of an O pain if I get one?

It is all coming together I think! Thank you! I guess it does make things simple that I can't really do much but have sex, right?!

They have calculators online where you can enter your Clomid dates and it will give you a window of when you're most likely to O. Clomid Ovulation Calculator - When Am I Fertile? | BabyMed.com

You can wait till the first OPK too, that is perfectly fine. Then you would BD 3 or 4 days in a row instead of the full 5

[amari]

Thanks, chicas! I guess I'll play it by ear!