My VITEX Journey

[Butterfly Spirit]

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Alright, new journey, new thread! :) I'll leave the old sad one behind for now.
Ladies so this is my FMU OPK... I know I know, but it gives me HOPE! LOL
This is the darkest one I've seen, and it looks a bit darker in RL. I'm going to take one again in like 4 hours and compare.
So DH and I started BD on May 6, and then on Wednesday the 9th, and now today on Friday the 11th.
He is at this point refusing to take supplements because he just wants to avoid doing me until the hcg is out of my system,(It already is, but he thinks otherwise) so I HOPE that I O REALLY quick here! I was feeling activity down there yesterday on the left side so I'm hoping my body is getting ready!
Now Atomic, I trust you and I want this next pregnancy to stick of course so I really need your help on this. I have hypothyroidism so I'm not the average lady when it comes to taking Vitex. I am TERRIFIED to stop taking it when I learned that it is a natural medicine for my disease. But MAYBE it will be okay.. I've now been on 100 mcg of levothyroxine since the 23rd of April yet it takes 4-6 weeks for the thyroid to become balanced again.
Then I got my mom saying "I don't think you need to take an herb to conceive..remember the Enforma system you took as a teen and it was herbal, my friend has the same thyroid condition as you, Vitex is probably why you miscarried. You DON'T need an herb to conceive, you are fertile enough" Then when I told her "No, mom it WAS my thyroid that killed it, I didn't HAVE any production happening.. my body was screaming at my thyroid to make more!"
blah blah blah.
Then there's part of me just struggling with crap saying.. maybe the sperm I scraped off the couch was messed up with chemicals because we have to carpet clean our couch regularly because of our kids. How stupid was I to do that..
Then I didn't wean off my supplements like I was told to...
Did the Vitex harm my egg because I took it into my 6th OPK.. Or did it happen because I stopped the Vitex when I should have kept going and could have saved my baby..
I Don't know!!!!!
I know things are different than they were because I'm taking red raspberry leave capsules, now just to double to check that those are safe to continue, when I get that + OPK and BFP?
I need total help this time of how to wean off ALL my supplements. Please tell me exactly how to wean off of them so this does not happen again.. I feel My +OPK is right around the corner. My cm last night was white and very stretchy..
Anyone know if semen is that stretchy by a few inches? LOL that sounds so silly!
This thread is going to be like the other one, my journey with Vitex.. so here we GO!

On a side note I'd love for you ladies to go find the latest thread I made about that lady on youtube. It's a fun video to watch because she reveals the gender of her baby and she took the Pink Or Blue lab test with her hubby feet away from her on the otherside of the kitchen baby gate..and results said BOY and she took Vitex to conceive.. she even took it 12 or so week into pregnancy then finally weaned off! I thought she was NUTS for doing that LOL. Anyways just watch!

[TTC5]

Sending you ALLL my PINK dust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Two things I would love to discuss as well: maca root and progesterone cream. I might get some cream to apply after I've Oed to ease my mind of dropping Vitex at O.

[atomic sagebrush]

We don't know, can't know, and it very likely was none of those things at all and just a bum swimmer or a bum egg. :/

My crystal ball is in the shop this week unfortunately but to the absolute best of my knowledge, what feels best and safest to me is either NO vitex at all, or stopping vitex the day before O. I do not believe vitex caused your loss, taking it or stopping it, I think it was just one of those things and the levo is only going to help prevent anything happening in the future. I know of tons of ladies with miscarriages that resolved after thyroid treatment and I am hoping that it's true for you.

The RRL capsules again, we don't truly know what is best or safest. RRL can cause uterine cramping that is quite dramatic at times, even in the first tri (which I witnessed firsthand when I was pg with DS 3) and so I ~personally~ think it's best to wean off at BFP.

Semen doesn't stretch, so if it's stretchy, it's CM!

Good luck!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Two things I would love to discuss as well: maca root and progesterone cream. I might get some cream to apply after I've Oed to ease my mind of dropping Vitex at O.

People had some WEIRD stuff happen on Maca. ELP was having hallucinations on Maca!!! I feel it's too much of an unknown for now.

The prog cream they sell OTC is only 20 mg of progesterone. Barely any at all - about the level a postmenopausal woman makes and not enough to sustain a pregnancy. Prescription strength prog starts at 200 mg and up. My concern with the OTC prog cream is that even tho it can't do enough to sustain a pregnancy, it ~may~ be enough to confuse your body - your body senses this progesterone and may not know how much to make any more, if that makes any sense. It may not make as much and may end up causing you to make less than you would otherwise. Plus, you need to take it throughout the first trimester every day, and don't miss any days.

If you think you need prog support, it's much better to get a prescription strength cream.

[TTC5]

I REALLY think vitex is great for swaying pink. I took it with DD3 without even knowing lol

[NeedAGirl!]

I also agree that if you do Vitex, you should stop it a day or so before you anticipate ovulation.

As for progesterone, if you have been diagnosed with a prog deficiency, I would def recommend that you take a Rx product. If not, I do think it is ok to use a well made NPC but we don't really know if it will do a thing. I like Emerita because you can get it in 20mg packets so that you know exactly how much you are using at a time. Trying to measure out a nebulous amount of cream is difficult.

As for the dosing, NPC is different than synthetic. The studies are interesting. They know that NPC binds to progesterone receptors in the body. However, it is not really directly measurable in a blood test. Some have said that 20mg of prog cream is equiv to 200mg of oral or vag suppos because transdermal absorption bypasses the hepatic system. However, they are really only estimating this as far as I can see. In studies, NPC does increase measurable blood levels but the levels don't increase like they do with the Rx products, rise more slowly over time and never reach the same levels. However, we might not be measuring the right thing and what is there might be much better used by the body than synthetics. In head on studies and in NPC vs placebo testing, primarily used for menopause symptoms, symptom relief is comparable with NPC to the higher dosed oral or vaginal supplements. The discussion in this article is interesting: A Study to Look at Hormonal Absorption of Progesterone Cream Used in Conjunction With Transdermal Estrogen - Health News - redOrbit (http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/264854/a_study_to_look_at_hormonal_absorption_of_progeste rone_cream/)

Also, interestingly, there are studies comparing transdermal hormones to oral hormones that show that oral hormones increase inflammation markers where transdermal do not. Since they think that many miscarriages, especially repeated miscarriage have an immune component, this is interesting to think about.

Bottom line, NPC evidence in miscarriage prevention is limited. There has been few human studies, all small and more often case reports. It does seem pretty convincing that there is no harm (due to the very large volume of users), as long as you take it twice daily EVERY single day without missing a single dose until between 12 to 14 weeks. I am currently 11 weeks so I have been taking it for roughly 13 weeks. That is 182 doses already!! I have my calendar set to email me and text me every single morning and every single evening to be sure I remembered it. I am usually really good but let me tell you, there has been maybe 3 or 4 out of the 182 where that text saved me- I was so tired and crashed and would have totally forgotten. If you search, you can find many stories of women who missed 1 dose and started bleeding 1-2 days later. They might have had a miscarriage anyway but of course, they will always worry that it was that missed dose. So be sure you are the type who can commit if you start it!

[Babyy Love]

What if you do not know when you are going to "O" how do you stop VITEX then?
I've lost contact with my body recently AF was a week late and was irregularly weird this month. I kinda just wanted to get up and walk away from my body for confusing my mind this much! I am all out of OPK & if I order some I won't have it in time for the "big events" as I plan to DTD Thursday-next Thursday lol

[Butterfly Spirit]

What if you do not know when you are going to "O" how do you stop VITEX then?
I've lost contact with my body recently AF was a week late and was irregularly weird this month. I kinda just wanted to get up and walk away from my body for confusing my mind this much! I am all out of OPK & if I order some I won't have it in time for the "big events" as I plan to DTD Thursday-next Thursday lol

I would guess charting would be the answer to knowing when you O. Do you do that?
My body is CRazy right now, and I can't figure out what's going on with it, my sleep patterns aren't the greatest though, so I probably wouldn't benefit from it even if I did chart with temp.
I can't figure out either my OPK or my cheapie HTP.. I'm in limbo right now.
I hope that you are able to figure out what is going on. My cheapie OPKS work fantastically! But my HPTs are another story.. only ghostlines.. .. ...I would recommend taking a few tests a day so you don't miss your surge.

[Babyy Love]

I would guess charting would be the answer to knowing when you O. Do you do that?
My body is CRazy right now, and I can't figure out what's going on with it, my sleep patterns aren't the greatest though, so I probably wouldn't benefit from it even if I did chart with temp.
I can't figure out either my OPK or my cheapie HTP.. I'm in limbo right now.
I hope that you are able to figure out what is going on. My cheapie OPKS work fantastically! But my HPTs are another story.. only ghostlines.. .. ...I would recommend taking a few tests a day so you don't miss your surge.


I only plug in my AF date (my siggy) in my lilypie..it helps BUT since my cycle was irregular this month I'm pretty much stuck :(

[Butterfly Spirit]

I only plug in my AF date (my siggy) in my lilypie..it helps BUT since my cycle was irregular this month I'm pretty much stuck :(

Well, you could cut off Vitex at day 14 since that's average.. ? :)

Two hours ago I had milky white non stretchy cm and now I discovered a GLOB of 4- in stretchy clear mixed with white cm, but my OPK isn't yet positive yet. Weird!
I'm almost 2 weeks to the day of my M/C. I stopped Vitex yesterday incase it was holding O back.

[Babyy Love]

Well, you could cut off Vitex at day 14 since that's average.. ? :)

Two hours ago I had milky white non stretchy cm and now I discovered a GLOB of 4- in stretchy clear mixed with white cm, but my OPK isn't yet positive yet. Weird!
I'm almost 2 weeks to the day of my M/C. I stopped Vitex yesterday incase it was holding O back.

Maybe day 13 to be safe? Well actually I didn't take it last night and I'm scared to take it today as well..I am gettin an HSG and the antibiotic said do not take while taking vitamins

That is weird! Not even a sign of it becoming positive?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Maybe day 13 to be safe? Well actually I didn't take it last night and I'm scared to take it today as well..I am gettin an HSG and the antibiotic said do not take while taking vitamins

That is weird! Not even a sign of it becoming positive?

Yes, probably day 13 to be safe would be good!
Yeah its VERY weird. My control line isn't even that dark...but my
HPT control is VERY dark with a ghostline. So I am in limbo, and I don't know what the
hell is going on right now. Perhaps later this afternoon I will have a positive.

[NeedAGirl!]

I would stop about 1 or 2 days before I your average o day. I usually o on day 12 so I would stop it on day 10, my opk would turn + 24 he's later than I would o 24 he's after that. If I kept taking it, o would be late.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Update is: BD on Mother's Day.
Lots of EWCM tinged with white today, talked hubby into BD and I am going to insert repHresh beforehand.
FX!!!!!!

Used R about 45 mins before BD. I forgot about it so I didn't have much time, he didn't know I inserted it. LOL I think it will be okay.

[Babyy Love]

Well if I don't get pregnant this month I def will take Vitex AF-O but FX!!

[atomic sagebrush]

What if you do not know when you are going to "O" how do you stop VITEX then?
I've lost contact with my body recently AF was a week late and was irregularly weird this month. I kinda just wanted to get up and walk away from my body for confusing my mind this much! I am all out of OPK & if I order some I won't have it in time for the "big events" as I plan to DTD Thursday-next Thursday lol

For people who always have super long cycles, just take it for the first 13 or 14 days of your cycle and then stop.

In your situation Babyy, I would just stop it the day before you plan to start TTC.

[atomic sagebrush]

Brilliant, NeedAGirl THANK YOU!!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Update is: BD on Mother's Day.
Lots of EWCM tinged with white today, talked hubby into BD and I am going to insert repHresh beforehand.
FX!!!!!!

Used R about 45 mins before BD. I forgot about it so I didn't have much time, he didn't know I inserted it. LOL I think it will be okay.

I prefer it if people use RepHresh further out than that from BD - 8-12 hours. Otherwise you risk killing off all the sperm.

[atomic sagebrush]

Maybe day 13 to be safe? Well actually I didn't take it last night and I'm scared to take it today as well..I am gettin an HSG and the antibiotic said do not take while taking vitamins

That is weird! Not even a sign of it becoming positive?

Some vitamins can cause certain antibiotics to be either less effective or supereffective and so you are not supposed to take vitamins while you're on them.

I couldn't find any hard data about vitex and antibiotics and so for safety's sake, prob. best to stop.

[Babyy Love]

Some vitamins can cause certain antibiotics to be either less effective or supereffective and so you are not supposed to take vitamins while you're on them.

I couldn't find any hard data about vitex and antibiotics and so for safety's sake, prob. best to stop.

I stopped it the day before my HSG to be on the safe side and I don't see the point in restarting until next AF but fingers crossed that next AF won't be until next year lol

[Butterfly Spirit]

SOO irritated! Stupid OPKs and CM are going up and down.. my line gets kinda dark then light again.. having EWCM.. O pain.. then it stops.. then it dries up.. then it comes back... ARRRGH! Anyone have experience with this after a M/C?
I'm hoping I'll get a + tmw! FX!
:/

[Butterfly Spirit]

Testing my FMU was no help either! UGGH when am I going to O, if only I had a crystal ball! hahaha

[Babyy Love]

Testing my FMU was no help either! UGGH when am I going to O, if only I had a crystal ball! hahaha

Lol I'd tell u to look in there for me as well I'm just DTD throughout next week or until he's tired lol but I don't think we will have a BFP until June or July. It's just a weird feeling I keep getting like OK this is it! Last month having 1 heartbeat! Last month to drink! I will be a wild child for the time being :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Lol I'd tell u to look in there for me as well I'm just DTD throughout next week or until he's tired lol but I don't think we will have a BFP until June or July. It's just a weird feeling I keep getting like OK this is it! Last month having 1 heartbeat! Last month to drink! I will be a wild child for the time being :)

LOL I had a weird feeling when I M/C as well, and it was "BFP in July" lol I thought.. I can't wait that long! It's hard to get my hubby to BD as it is!!!!!
LMAO oh yeah? Well drinking sways girl.

[Babyy Love]

LOL I had a weird feeling when I M/C as well, and it was "BFP in July" lol I thought.. I can't wait that long! It's hard to get my hubby to BD as it is!!!!!
LMAO oh yeah? Well drinking sways girl.

Really? Why is that? I thought drinking sways for him* but not for me or is it both of us?
U had a feeling u were gonna be pregnant soon too? And make his favorite meal + dessert & just full out seduce him! I think it's always best to even sometimes flirt with him & get him all hot & bothered innocently & then deny him lol it leaves men wanting more when they think they can't have it..that way during O he'll be ready to pounce on u! it feels empowering to me like ha! YUP I still got it :whip:

[Butterfly Spirit]

Really? Why is that? I thought drinking sways for him* but not for me or is it both of us?
U had a feeling u were gonna be pregnant soon too? And make his favorite meal + dessert & just full out seduce him! I think it's always best to even sometimes flirt with him & get him all hot & bothered innocently & then deny him lol it leaves men wanting more when they think they can't have it..that way during O he'll be ready to pounce on u! it feels empowering to me like ha! YUP I still got it :whip:

I believe it sways for you too!! :)
You are so cute and funny LMAO
Yes we should both do that, and I'll just keep seducing him just incase I O.

[atomic sagebrush]

Really? Why is that? I thought drinking sways for him* but not for me or is it both of us?
U had a feeling u were gonna be pregnant soon too? And make his favorite meal + dessert & just full out seduce him! I think it's always best to even sometimes flirt with him & get him all hot & bothered innocently & then deny him lol it leaves men wanting more when they think they can't have it..that way during O he'll be ready to pounce on u! it feels empowering to me like ha! YUP I still got it :whip:

Drinking reduces fertility and may sway pink because of that!

[Babyy Love]

Drinking reduces fertility and may sway pink because of that!


So it sways for both of us then?
Tomorrow is date night so TGIFridays, Applebees or maybe even Chillis will supply our drinks and every time I try not to eat meat it's during O any other time I barely eat meat:hair: whyyyy!? I hope tomorrow doesn't ruin my pink chances.
Been awake since 7 it is now 4 and I am just now eating Nd I did loads of walking today I was so busy I forgot all about eating but I did have starbucks java chip :oops: I'm eating rice and beans now..am I ruining it or what !? :rolleyes:

[Butterfly Spirit]

This morning BD didn't work out..I even scarfed down two fresh fat delicious chocolate and white chocolate chip cookies that my mom made this morning.. (completely forgetting I was probably going to O soon! haha) Then Tonight when I woke up I felt BIG time pressure down there..and hubby still wanted to BD! So I dipped my opk in water and showed hubby (tip for any of you ladies TTC with uncooperative spouses. I know the Lord will forgive me, I already told him I'm sorry, but he understands my stubborn husband! LOL I think even God has a sense of humor too! And successfully BD and he konked out while I massaged his back since it was a LONG day for him. I didn't have to pretend to wash off..I didn't get up for an hour! Well okay maybe 40 mins later to slip on my ion bracelet! (lol) And while I laid down I had a pleasant visualization to relax. Pictured being at the beach with my hubby and BDing and then afterwards meeting my daughter with her long platinum hair to match my own. Then I pictured her saying "It's time mamma" And then she left. Lastly visualized Oing even and popping out that egg or two. When I got up I was surprised that a ton of pressure was gone. I think I have a real shot for conceiving this first O after M/C.
I know I am super fertile, that's what I've learned.
Fingers and Toes crossed!!! YAY!!! :) I'll be in the 2WW tmw!

So no RepHresh this time... I should have done it this morning, but I forgot. I think I'll be okay though, I just have to be! :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

So it sways for both of us then?
Tomorrow is date night so TGIFridays, Applebees or maybe even Chillis will supply our drinks and every time I try not to eat meat it's during O any other time I barely eat meat:hair: whyyyy!? I hope tomorrow doesn't ruin my pink chances.
Been awake since 7 it is now 4 and I am just now eating Nd I did loads of walking today I was so busy I forgot all about eating but I did have starbucks java chip :oops: I'm eating rice and beans now..am I ruining it or what !? :rolleyes:

Have more faith in yourself! You can cheat here and there Babyylove! ;)
When are you due to O!?

[Butterfly Spirit]

What the... LOL

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So after I took the "opk" I took this test and after a couple mins thought I saw something so I turned it on it's side (which was STUPID) and then 30 secs or so later turned it back flat..I never read the test before 10 mins. I had to take a bath before BD LoL.
This is the result.. a pinkish smear where the line should be and other stuff going on.
So now I have to test again tonight flat, I don't know what the heck it means or if it's nothing at all. I don't think it's anything, I just thought it was funny and I wanted to share it!

[TTC5]

I see a line!!

But.. did you use the same urine sample that you dipped your OPK in to??? This can give off false BFP's...

[Butterfly Spirit]

I see a line!!

But.. did you use the same urine sample that you dipped your OPK in to??? This can give off false BFP's...

I retested almost an hour ago and no line...BUT an almost + OPK! Still feeling tugs and pressure down there. Afraid to post the pic because it will sit in our photo program and DH might see it!!
I always dip both into the same cup yes, but I've never had problems before. This bottom test just dried funny, although it made me KINDA excited to see it but at the same time going.. "hUh?" LMAO.

[TTC5]

Ahhhhhh it wont be far away for the real deal!!!! ;)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Ahhhhhh it wont be far away for the real deal!!!! ;)

That's what I'm hearing from a few people... LOL My BFF last week is like "You're going to get pregnant like insanely quick. Insanely quick dude, like within 2 months!"
So I'm hoping THIS IS IT! ;)

[Butterfly Spirit]

OPK is almost completely faded out, it's INSANE! It's a barely there light pink now. And there is barely any pressure or pain now down below. I have never had a surge like this.. it came and went I guess..I'm hoping the eggs went *pOp*, and ruptured out of the ovary!
YAY!!!!! :D
I'm going to play in the mountains today and get some fresh nature air with my fam. I will check in 4ish hours though to see if there is any change.

[Babyy Love]

Have more faith in yourself! You can cheat here and there Babyylove! ;)
When are you due to O!?

I believe I am due to O anytime around now lol I check my siggy to see all the time but my cycle was a mess so I could be Oin right now as we speak

[Butterfly Spirit]

I believe I am due to O anytime around now lol I check my siggy to see all the time but my cycle was a mess so I could be Oin right now as we speak

SWEET! You, me, and Princess Of Pink will be in the 2WW together! ;)

[Butterfly Spirit]

I guess I was dead wrong about Oing..
I'm in less pain today than I was last night!

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Can I use RepHresh? No spermies alive in the vagina right?

[TTC5]

I find i get O pain BEFORE I O and believe this is the case for alot of ladies!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

So I inserted RepHresh last night around 12:30 am and did a succesful BD this morning around 10am after some convincing as usual.
Felt some PAINFUL left-sided ovary pain about an hour ago that stopped me dead in my tracks. Not sure if that was O or not, but I just wish it would happen because this is my most painful O yet! Haven't taken an OPK since the last one, but I will take one tonight.
FX!!!

[Babyy Love]

SWEET! You, me, and Princess Of Pink will be in the 2WW together! ;)


:( I'm way to stressed out I'm starting to doubt I will get pregnant anytime soon since i need to focus on finding work and getting my priorities together now. Its so depressing to have to put this TTC journey of mine on hold now I cried myself to sleep and cried all day today. I didn't expect to feel this depressed about it but if it'll help our future I'll wait but when its been 15+ months of TTC its hard to set it aside for some time :sad:

[Butterfly Spirit]

:( I'm way to stressed out I'm starting to doubt I will get pregnant anytime soon since i need to focus on finding work and getting my priorities together now. Its so depressing to have to put this TTC journey of mine on hold now I cried myself to sleep and cried all day today. I didn't expect to feel this depressed about it but if it'll help our future I'll wait but when its been 15+ months of TTC its hard to set it aside for some time :sad:

Aww this makes me so sad to read. But I thought you are due to O now? You can't feel this way now. You have another chance to conceive right now, you can't just be all negative right away, that is so hard and won't help you in any way, you said it was so painful that you've been crying constantly, but you aren't out yet this cycle. May might just be your month you never know!
If you don't conceive this cycle, just give TTC a break and do what's best for you and your family. You can still just "play, and not prevent" Once you let all the extreme stress of TTC go, you will welcome the laid back fun of just making love with your hubby because you want to, and enjoy it, not focusing on anything else or having a purpose for doing it.
When it's time for your babe to come along, and I do believe they all come when they are meant to come, The Lord will bless you with your sticky bean! I KNOW he will! In the meantime please cheer up, my friend!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well, I woke up to a same VERY dark line OPK test! UGH! I will test later on today. Frustrating!
Can't that thing just fade already!?

[NeedAGirl!]

Are you temping Butterfly? When I took Vitex, my OPKs would be strongly positive for 2-3 days past O then would fade. My temp would be on the rise though...

[Butterfly Spirit]

Are you temping Butterfly? When I took Vitex, my OPKs would be strongly positive for 2-3 days past O then would fade. My temp would be on the rise though...

I have never temped. It would freak DH out! :) I'm hoping it will just happen soon. Though the BD the other day gives me reassurance that I will be fine.
I stopped Taking Vitex too early I think, but I hope not.. It was last Sunday.

Thank you for your reply though, it makes me feel better! Maybe already Oed, and the Vitex is to blame for the surge still present. It was odd really, no explanation. like 8ish hours after I took the first +opk the line did completely fade then come back again..which I have never seen.
I wonder if when this is over it will result in a double O.

[auroara78]

Butterfly, I'm happy to hear you got a BD'ing in, and I'm sure it will be in time, my only question is why is your DH so relucant to get you preggers? Was just wondering...it was a fight to get my 2nd one, though DS2 is an opps, but previously that year in April/May/June I begged my DH for a chance to get preggers and he was aganist it for monetary reasons. Then in July I decided to stop fighting it and listen to him and boom! we got accidently preggers in August...was just wondering what the story behind you and DH is :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly, I'm happy to hear you got a BD'ing in, and I'm sure it will be in time, my only question is why is your DH so relucant to get you preggers? Was just wondering...it was a fight to get my 2nd one, though DS2 is an opps, but previously that year in April/May/June I begged my DH for a chance to get preggers and he was aganist it for monetary reasons. Then in July I decided to stop fighting it and listen to him and boom! we got accidently preggers in August...was just wondering what the story behind you and DH is :)

Our boys are A LOT of work and have TONS of energy! hahaha "Too much work" will be his response to anyone who asks. He likes to choose the moments that our kids are screaming and crying and being difficult and then says "I'm done having kids." "I don't want anymore kids with you" etc. It's heartbreaking to hear, I just try to tune out now. I have made it clear that nothing will talk me out of wanting a daughter. And I won last time, so I know I will do it again. I got a BD in on Saturday and Sun, so that does make me happy. I just need to relax and forget about O, but all the pain and pressure doesn't make it easy. I am feeling tons better though, and I'm trying not to test so much now the surge is there. :)

[Babyy Love]

Aww this makes me so sad to read. But I thought you are due to O now? You can't feel this way now. You have another chance to conceive right now, you can't just be all negative right away, that is so hard and won't help you in any way, you said it was so painful that you've been crying constantly, but you aren't out yet this cycle. May might just be your month you never know!
If you don't conceive this cycle, just give TTC a break and do what's best for you and your family. You can still just "play, and not prevent" Once you let all the extreme stress of TTC go, you will welcome the laid back fun of just making love with your hubby because you want to, and enjoy it, not focusing on anything else or having a purpose for doing it.
When it's time for your babe to come along, and I do believe they all come when they are meant to come, The Lord will bless you with your sticky bean! I KNOW he will! In the meantime please cheer up, my friend!


Thank you so much! I think I am Oing right now because I over ate yesterday (depressed & it was lasagna which mother in law made so I love it too much) and I woke up at 7 because I was starving!! I never in my life felt this hungry! I woke up because of hunger pains..weird!
Hubby and I are now both jobless and I can't have so much pressure on him so I too want and need a job and throwing a baby into the equation scares me but he's not scared at all. He's actually a little upset that I'm pull back from it but I just think we need to focus on ourselves first. It's confusing because I want a baby so bad but I have to realize we both have goals as well. I just fear trying and trying and seeing AF or BFN because god says no because we need to get stable jobs now u know what I mean? I told him god is saying no because we are too stressed as it is and a baby will add more stress :(
Maybe May is my month maybe not but..sometimes I get the feeling that it will be and it would brighten these cloudy days but then I say no because it's not meant to happen yet

[Butterfly Spirit]

I took another OPK with SMU and the left line is darker than the right...AGAIN.. weird, another surge!?
What the hell is going on! And I've been sleeping and sleeping and STILL tired :(

[Butterfly Spirit]

Thank you so much! I think I am Oing right now because I over ate yesterday (depressed & it was lasagna which mother in law made so I love it too much) and I woke up at 7 because I was starving!! I never in my life felt this hungry! I woke up because of hunger pains..weird!
Hubby and I are now both jobless and I can't have so much pressure on him so I too want and need a job and throwing a baby into the equation scares me but he's not scared at all. He's actually a little upset that I'm pull back from it but I just think we need to focus on ourselves first. It's confusing because I want a baby so bad but I have to realize we both have goals as well. I just fear trying and trying and seeing AF or BFN because god says no because we need to get stable jobs now u know what I mean? I told him god is saying no because we are too stressed as it is and a baby will add more stress :(
Maybe May is my month maybe not but..sometimes I get the feeling that it will be and it would brighten these cloudy days but then I say no because it's not meant to happen yet

Are you temping, and did your temp go up yet! How Exciting you think you Oed!
I hope that you do, just pray about your situation and put it in God's hands. Pray that your hubby can find a stable job. I will have you guys in my prayers too. The Lord always provides a way somehow. I firmly believe it!

[atomic sagebrush]

Our boys are A LOT of work and have TONS of energy! hahaha "Too much work" will be his response to anyone who asks. He likes to choose the moments that our kids are screaming and crying and being difficult and then says "I'm done having kids." "I don't want anymore kids with you" etc. It's heartbreaking to hear, I just try to tune out now. I have made it clear that nothing will talk me out of wanting a daughter. And I won last time, so I know I will do it again. I got a BD in on Saturday and Sun, so that does make me happy. I just need to relax and forget about O, but all the pain and pressure doesn't make it easy. I am feeling tons better though, and I'm trying not to test so much now the surge is there. :)

(((Hugs)))Butterfly, that is how my husband is too. He just told me yesterday, "I don't think you can handle 3"...while he sat on his butt while I cooked dinner, did the dishes, fed both kids and entertained them, while dying my hair (at his request) with severe anemia and 7 months pregnant LOL. Just go to work and shush "honey".

[atomic sagebrush]

I took another OPK with SMU and the left line is darker than the right...AGAIN.. weird, another surge!?
What the hell is going on! And I've been sleeping and sleeping and STILL tired :(

I don't know but I hope it works out soon. Did they check your iron??

[Babyy Love]

Are you temping, and did your temp go up yet! How Exciting you think you Oed!
I hope that you do, just pray about your situation and put it in God's hands. Pray that your hubby can find a stable job. I will have you guys in my prayers too. The Lord always provides a way somehow. I firmly believe it!

Nope no temping..I stopped all of that and rely on my siggy (when I get AF & when I'm supposed to O), O pains, O signs, & my constant honeymoon phase BD lol. Thank you:awe::awe:! I pray every night for these things to be lifted off of us but one prayer at a time. Maybe they'll be answered in order maybe I'll be blessed all at once but either way my prayers will be answered.
I mean who am I kidding I'm still hoping that May is our month I'm just losing my hope for it :tissue:

[TTC5]

Have heard some people surge but dont O and get a second surge and O then.

Oh Atomic that sounds awful :(

[Butterfly Spirit]

(((Hugs)))Butterfly, that is how my husband is too. He just told me yesterday, "I don't think you can handle 3"...while he sat on his butt while I cooked dinner, did the dishes, fed both kids and entertained them, while dying my hair (at his request) with severe anemia and 7 months pregnant LOL. Just go to work and shush "honey".

How horrible! 2769
I remember that you told me that your DH wouldn't help you sway much, and now I get it.
Here you are extremely far along and he's being a jerk and is in denial about all you do. Oh my heart goes out to you too! Oh your sweet daughter is so WELL deserved!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I don't know but I hope it works out soon. Did they check your iron??

Well I crashed this afternoon and slept several hours. I couldn't help it. I'm REALLY gassy and I'm just feeling pressure. My OPK upon waking was positive but that urine was in there all afternoon. I was pretty dry when I went pee.. so here's hoping! It will happen SOON or it already happened! I'm SO terrified that this is pretty much my last chance.

I don't know if they checked my iron. What can it do? :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Nope no temping..I stopped all of that and rely on my siggy (when I get AF & when I'm supposed to O), O pains, O signs, & my constant honeymoon phase BD lol. Thank you:awe::awe:! I pray every night for these things to be lifted off of us but one prayer at a time. Maybe they'll be answered in order maybe I'll be blessed all at once but either way my prayers will be answered.
I mean who am I kidding I'm still hoping that May is our month I'm just losing my hope for it :tissue:

Aww cheer up my friend! I hope things get better SOON!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Atomic I'm so sorry to be annoying about the supplement Qs but this is day 3 of taking just one raspberry leaf capsule, then what do I do tomorrow with it? That one I want to wean off entirely, I'm thinking I don't need it now?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well my second OPK test from last night was lighter I think.. well I peed halfway in the cup incase DH heard me peeing in a cup.
I have had cervical pain tonight a few times..kind of annoying and not fun. Still crampy feeling. Anyone else experience this?

[auroara78]

RE: husbands...I totally understand.

Mine is a stay at home Dad but the minute and I do mean the *minute* I get home (I barely have time to take off my work clothes and get in comfy, lounge clothes) the kids are *my* responsiblity and he is "off-duty"

If I ask for help on the weekends, he'll roll his eyes back and say he's not my slave, lol.

I tune him out too, because it's not worth a fight, and he knows how I feel. I've told him so many times when the arrangement first began that if the roles were reversed he wouldn't want to be ambushed the second he came home from work and I'd still be watching the kids the entire evening. That usually gets a response of "don't you want to play with the kids?" (guilt) or "They want you, not me when you come home, I can't help that" (more guilt.)

So now if I really need soemthing from him, I don't ask or beg, I just say "here are the kids" and do what I got to do, and he deals with it, even if he grumbles.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well I checked my cervix this morning... VERY dry and hard to check it but there was some milky white discharge up by my cervix! Cervix was firm and low and closed from what I could tell.
So I had a positive OPK right before I checked I just had to know WHAT was going on. Well... there can't be O if it's firm, low and closed, so it must be the Vitex that caused the other +s, and so I must have already Oed and the gas and cramping yesterday came after O.
I suspect that I Oed on Monday when I had that intense pain that stopped me in my tracks but who knows. I'm just happy I am now in the 2WW!!! I don't think I will do anymore OPKS.. maybe one a day until they fade.

[Babyy Love]

I feel so gross! I wiped and I feel like someone cracked an egg & separated the egg white in my vagina..it even splashed on my thigh! I tried to wipe it off with tissue but it wouldn't budge so when I grabbed it with my fingers it was just like sticking my hand in egg white..ewwww I've never had THAT much EWCM

[TTC5]

Wahooo for the TWW~!!!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Took a test earlier and shot a positive, 4 hours later said what the hell took another one and the lines are finally fading even the control now!
I did wake up to horrible rectum pain though and I was having WEIRD vivid dreams lol When I tested, And I'm as dry as a desert down there, so it's happened. LOL I just found another lady, Lassie who said she had 5 opks so we are thinking the Vitex really does cause that fun during the 2WW!!! I can no longer blame my thyroid as it should be good by now.. 4 weeks on 100 mcg of levothyroxine YAY!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Nosebleed this am. That also happened on Monday night. Good sign I think!

[atomic sagebrush]

Well I crashed this afternoon and slept several hours. I couldn't help it. I'm REALLY gassy and I'm just feeling pressure. My OPK upon waking was positive but that urine was in there all afternoon. I was pretty dry when I went pee.. so here's hoping! It will happen SOON or it already happened! I'm SO terrified that this is pretty much my last chance.

I don't know if they checked my iron. What can it do? :)

Well, I never thought it could do too much but that was before I got anemia this time. I've had it 3 times before and never felt bad but my iron is pretty low this time. I've been really tired the last 2 weeks, plus I felt kind of physically weak/lightheaded, and I was also making some really odd mistakes here on the site (like writing "antibiotics" instead of "antihistamine") and then I started the iron pills and feel a million times better, I almost can't believe it how much better I feel. Iron helps with the amount of oxygen you're getting in your blood and since you were bleeding for so long, it's possible you could be on the low side.

[atomic sagebrush]

How horrible! 2769
I remember that you told me that your DH wouldn't help you sway much, and now I get it.
Here you are extremely far along and he's being a jerk and is in denial about all you do. Oh my heart goes out to you too! Oh your sweet daughter is so WELL deserved!!!

Well, in his defense, if he'd had his way we'd have been done 3 kids ago. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic I'm so sorry to be annoying about the supplement Qs but this is day 3 of taking just one raspberry leaf capsule, then what do I do tomorrow with it? That one I want to wean off entirely, I'm thinking I don't need it now?

Skip a day, then start alternating days so you're taking it every other day for a few days, then every 2 days, etc. Once you're taking it once a week, you can stop.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well, in his defense, if he'd had his way we'd have been done 3 kids ago. :)

Oh gosh, I'm not sure how many kids you have but I thought this sweet little girl was #3?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Skip a day, then start alternating days so you're taking it every other day for a few days, then every 2 days, etc. Once you're taking it once a week, you can stop.

Thank you, I skipped it yesterday so I'll take it today! :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Atomic, one more Q while you are here. I was wondering about the connection between pregnancy and progesterone. I read somewhere on the forum that you should get it checked when you fall prego if breastfeeding regularly.
I'm so worried my next little one won't get enough.. especially fluids, so I'm thinking of weaning.. and I'm scared of the progesterone issue. :(

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh gosh, I'm not sure how many kids you have but I thought this sweet little girl was #3?

We have 5 kids, a 20 year old son and a 17 year old son, and then I got baby fever all over again and DH kindly consented to one, possibly two more kids (aka DS 3 (age 4) and 4 (agew 2)!). This little girl is totally a bonus baby!! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic, one more Q while you are here. I was wondering about the connection between pregnancy and progesterone. I read somewhere on the forum that you should get it checked when you fall prego if breastfeeding regularly.
I'm so worried my next little one won't get enough.. especially fluids, so I'm thinking of weaning.. and I'm scared of the progesterone issue. :(

i wouldn't worry about the progesterone unless you're having super short cycles.

I've gotten pg twice now while nursing with no problems at all (one was before I even got AF!!) and then I've nursed twice throughout pregnancy. I breastfed quite a lot when I was pg with DS 4 and he weighed 8 lbs! You just have to be sure to eat a lot and it will be fine.

[Butterfly Spirit]

We have 5 kids, a 20 year old son and a 17 year old son, and then I got baby fever all over again and DH kindly consented to one, possibly two more kids (aka DS 3 and 4!). This little girl is totally a bonus baby!! :)

Haha I LOVE IT! Thanks for sharing!!! :)

PS... Man, are your hands full! DH needs to appreciate you a lot more!

[Butterfly Spirit]

If I Oed on Monday, today I am 4DPO: This morning I feel gassy, bloated, and crampy on the left side. Increased vag DC last night too. :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

I went pee tonight and wiped a bit of blood! Not sure if it's implantation bleeding, but it made me happy to see! LOL :)

[TTC5]

OoOoOO!!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

OoOoOO!!!!!

LMAO, when I saw that reply I JUST KNEW it was you!!! hahaha :)

Boobies are a bit sore today too.

[TTC5]

Aghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! Sounding even better ;)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Aghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! Sounding even better ;)

I don't think it was IB anymore. I won't explain though as it would be TMI.. ha ha

I'll expect it on Sun or Mon if it comes! :)

I did have a cool dream about my former (gay) hairdresser getting re-married and then there was a big spider and another a big spider was crawling up my thigh... I was yelling at my hubby to get it off and he wouldn't.. and so I knocked it off. ewwwwwww

can I just say VIVID dream? lol

Cramping still present on left side though!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well no IB yet, but I do have a small breakout. :)

[TTC5]

I didn't get IB ;) Not everyone does so don't worry!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I didn't get IB ;) Not everyone does so don't worry!

LOL, with none of your pregnancies?

I got a Big one with B pie.. DS#2 With DS#1 I can't remember, but I don't think so.. hmm.

I'm getting excited though! I still have wacky dreams I can remember each night too!

[atomic sagebrush]

I never had one either.

[auroara78]

I've never had IB.

Before we got pregnant with DS1, I was hell bound on getting accidentially knocked up. I watched my cycles like a hawk, and I always had break through bleeding a few days before AF, so I always knew that I was out and I'd be sad, waiting for the real flow to start. One time I had bleeding 7 days after we had DTD (but he pulled out) and I was convinced it was going to be pregnancy because I had read so much of IB, but alas, it was not, some weird freaky cycle thing.

Then, when I finally did get pregnant on accident (my DH knew I wasn't on birth control, he just pulled out for a method), I had no bleeding at all...no breakthrough bleeding or anything. I was so busy studying to take the GREs (a test to try to make it in grad school), that I didn't notice the lack of bleeding until I was 2 weeks late. I was at an eye DR appt and was filling out a patient survey and one of the questions asked: "Are you pregnant? Y or N" and I thought hmmm, I am two weeks late, have had no bleeding, but it couldn't be! (I didn't recall us having sex that entire month!) I circled N and took a test that night and it was postive before I finished peeing....biggest surprise of my life! :)

Now DS1 is 4 and I could not imagine not having him....we had a great weekend playing together, and I love it when he says "Mommy you're my very best friend." He melts my heart.

And butterfly, so sorry for hijacking your thread! Sometimes I just wanna ramble and tell a story...LOL

[Butterfly Spirit]

Auroara sweetie you aren' hijacking it at all!!!! You are giving me hope! LOL
I guess I really don't have to have IB with every pregnancy! :)
So today is what I will call 7 dpo since I suspected O late into the afternoon last Monday.

Symptoms yesterday pinching feeling on the left side.. and again gas. LOL

[atomic sagebrush]

The gas has been one of my most reliable early pg symptoms. I even had it with my chemical.

[auroara78]

Lordy yeah, bring on the gas buckets when early on preg!!

Closer to the end of the 2WW I always get twinges near my left or right side by my ovaries, like if I get up or move too suddenly, I'll get a little pain.

:fingers:

[Butterfly Spirit]

Then dizziness when I get up too soon is also present! ;)

And one last one.. stuffy nose!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I feel like such a B**** today.
LOL I hope this is a good thing :giggle:

[Babyy Love]

HEY wheres Butterfly??
I`ve been gone because internet is down at home so I came to my mothers and went str8 for the computer lol
I`m of course feeling better after my HSG but now i pee every 10 minutes as well as I eat way too much and I have crazy cramps and im still experiencing some EWCM and I have very little nausea. Hubby keeps saying "its twins because your symptoms are early" YIKES! :nails: I mean its my 1st cant you go easy on me!? lol i`ll be happy though :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

HEY wheres Butterfly??
I`ve been gone because internet is down at home so I came to my mothers and went str8 for the computer lol
I`m of course feeling better after my HSG but now i pee every 10 minutes as well as I eat way too much and I have crazy cramps and im still experiencing some EWCM and I have very little nausea. Hubby keeps saying "its twins because your symptoms are early" YIKES! :nails: I mean its my 1st cant you go easy on me!? lol i`ll be happy though :)

OMG you are nauseous ALREADY? Did ya test?! TEST!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I will throw in that I TOTALLY caved and ate a bunch of chocolate today. I could not help it, I craved it like mad! I also craved coke but I did not give in to that one!
According to countdowntopregnancy implantation started today!

Light cramping and gas.

No IB.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Question posed to all: Regular period on the 22nd of every month like clockwork.

I suspect I really M/C on April 29 but the hospital confirmed on May 2nd.

When should I suspect AF/(ICK) When Should I Test again?

Yeah I caved and did some tests the past 2 days and not even FMU.. I know I'm nuts!

[Butterfly Spirit]

So my body woke me up EVERY two or less hours last night with a bursting bladder... OMG I wanted to scream! LOL
I'm out of prego tests... ha ha ha

And OH THE GAS before I went to bed.

This morning I woke up to a few more small teeny zitties on my face.

9-10 dpo

[Butterfly Spirit]

Twinges and gas throughout today! :)

I will be getting more tests tomorrow.

[auroara78]

Whoo hooo, go get an army of tests :)

Hoping you got knocked up!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Just went pee and wiped a smear of reddish brown blood.. then I noticed a small smear on my underwear..then stuck a bit of TP up inside and I have some mixed in with stretchy clear cm....

OOOOH exciting!!!!!! :) Just had to share that!

I'm like 10 dpo today!

I'm gonna have my sister buy em so my hubby doesn't know! LOL

Oh I HOPE it's not AF!

[NeedAGirl!]

WooHoo! sounds promising!!

[Babyy Love]

OMG you are nauseous ALREADY? Did ya test?! TEST!

I'm scared!!! :nails:
I'm starting to believe it's all in my head with everything crashing down around me why would I be pregnant now!? I'm just greedy and fat lol. Is it normal that I'm having creamy discharge tho? And at least 4 days of EWCM

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm scared!!! :nails:
I'm starting to believe it's all in my head with everything crashing down around me why would I be pregnant now!? I'm just greedy and fat lol. Is it normal that I'm having creamy discharge tho? And at least 4 days of EWCM

Where are you in your cycle now hon, and when will you test!?

[Babyy Love]

Where are you in your cycle now hon, and when will you test!?

Well I honestly lose count with everything going on right now so I'm reminded by my siggy that I have 2 more day to test so its day 26 of a 28 day cycle. I'm so nervous though :nails:
I have an appointment on the 14th so I'm doing the wait out of AF. If it shows before my appointment then well the obvious but if it's a no show I am going to be a wreck thru the 14th and being a wreck will probably postpone it lol

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well I got sick of waiting so I went up in there and discovered my cervix is VERY firm and not high and when I pulled out my finger "Helloooo AF" I said. Bright red fresh blood. So in a tampon went!

Oh well, I will take Vitex tomorrow if I get my flow.

Perhaps my body needed this cycle after my loss, and I believe it will happen when it's meant to.

I just ordered another pack of cheapie opks and pregnancy tests! :D

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well I honestly lose count with everything going on right now so I'm reminded by my siggy that I have 2 more day to test so its day 26 of a 28 day cycle. I'm so nervous though :nails:
I have an appointment on the 14th so I'm doing the wait out of AF. If it shows before my appointment then well the obvious but if it's a no show I am going to be a wreck thru the 14th and being a wreck will probably postpone it lol

Ohhh my gosh so you are right there on the cusp. I say test! LOL Then again I'm a POAS addict! ;)
PS I always fail to read the siggy and then ask the stupidest questions! haha

[coocoobananas]

Sorry to hear, but you're so positive!!! Your body is just waiting for that girl;)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Sorry to hear, but you're so positive!!! Your body is just waiting for that girl;)

Thanks! Plus, my DS#2 was conceived at the end of May and was born the beginning of February.. so.. I wouldn't want clashing birthdays anyway ;)

How you feeling hon?

[TTC5]

Bugger but hopefully next month!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well when I woke up this AM I passed a large stringy strange looking clot (okay TMI) ...and then after that just spotting...

I thought...no way.. that isn't still part of my MC..is that possible?

hahaha this is crazy!

[atomic sagebrush]

It's prob. not still part of your m/c but it is very common for the first cycle after a loss to be very odd.

[Babyy Love]

Ohhh my gosh so you are right there on the cusp. I say test! LOL Then again I'm a POAS addict! ;)
PS I always fail to read the siggy and then ask the stupidest questions! haha

Lol its OK I forget to read others siggys too sometime but I have to go back to my own siggy sometimes as well
I was once a POAS addict but I kept seeing BFN so I HAD to learn not to use them up plus I didn't have cheapies so now I'm scared to buy my usual clear blue & EPT but I am gonna be in a 2WW after the 2WW lol I have an appointment the 14th..YUP I'm gonna force myself to wait THAT long!
Sorry for your loss :hugs:

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well ladies.... I took a test half an hour ago...

I got my BFP!

I'm scared, and trying hard not to be. The only clot was from sleeping last night...the bleeding was super light all day.

[TTC5]

OMG WOW!!!!!

Congratulations!!!!!!! Show us a piccie!!! ;)

[suregena]

Congratulations, Butterfly! Wheee!

I've been cramping/having gas and a face break out, so I've just gone back to see if you've posted any symptoms - ha ha!

I don't yet know if I've even ovulated but I *feel* like I have... I *think* I did CD26, but that could also just be wishful thinking!

STICK PIC PIC PIC! :D

[Butterfly Spirit]

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This is my BFP! I apologize my point and shoot will NOT take a pic of a pregnancy test. I took it with my cell phone but cannot find the card to stick into the card reader, but when I do I will upload it!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Congratulations, Butterfly! Wheee!

I've been cramping/having gas and a face break out, so I've just gone back to see if you've posted any symptoms - ha ha!

I don't yet know if I've even ovulated but I *feel* like I have... I *think* I did CD26, but that could also just be wishful thinking!

STICK PIC PIC PIC! :D

YEAH Suregena, I hope you get your BFP too hon! :)
Thank you!

[Butterfly Spirit]

OMG WOW!!!!!

Congratulations!!!!!!! Show us a piccie!!! ;)

Thank you my friend, I am excited! :) I'm BACK IN the club!!!!!!!!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

So I will go ahead and explain... so today my boobs were hurting and .. I knew something was off and then I said to myself... bleeding..period on 10 dpo.. REALLY!?
Then I couldn't shake the "OMG I am pregnant" feeling.. So I held my pee for 4 hours exactly and tested at night.
When the line came up though I started sobbing hysterically, afraid that.. well.. I'm not going to repeat it.
I called up my BFF and she calmed me down.. but then hubby and I fought for a few hours straight and finally ended it.
He knew I was lying to him so... at the end I finally came clean. Now he feels happier.

[NeedAGirl!]

Woo hoo!

[Babyy Love]

I'm so happy for you Butterfly congrats!! :hugs:

[Butterfly Spirit]

Thanks ladies, and no clotting when I woke up! :)

I believe this little one is here to stay!

[atomic sagebrush]

:pray: and happy thoughts headed your way! :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Atomic, I am so greatful for your wealth of knowledge and support! :)
I haven't been keeping track of the raspberry leaves... I think it was 2-3 days ago..

I think I will go through my thread and try to figure out what the pattern might be.

I'm going to maintain all my other supps just the way they are. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Take one and then wait a few more days, then one more and be done with it! That's plenty gradual enough.

[Butterfly Spirit]

My BFFs mom says I can continue BFing if I want...

but that I should double my prenatals.....

I take flintstone sour gummie vitamins (2)
and extra folic acid (800 mcg)

[Babyy Love]

My BFFs mom says I can continue BFing if I want...

but that I should double my prenatals.....

I take flintstone sour gummie vitamins (2)
and extra folic acid (800 mcg)


Why the flinstone vitamins?? Sound yummy tho! I'm off to walmart to buy me a bunch of the big name brand test since walmart is less expensive :)
I'm having the worst cramps only on the left side of my lower belly & I am gassy today & mega bloated so to ease my loves mind I'll take a test for him but me being in denial I say AF is coming because of how bloated I am

[Butterfly Spirit]

Why the flinstone vitamins?? Sound yummy tho! I'm off to walmart to buy me a bunch of the big name brand test since walmart is less expensive :)
I'm having the worst cramps only on the left side of my lower belly & I am gassy today & mega bloated so to ease my loves mind I'll take a test for him but me being in denial I say AF is coming because of how bloated I am

My last 2 pregnancies made me SO nauseated that I just tried them (2 is the adult dose) with extra folic. My doctors had absolutely NO problem with them! :)
Just take the vitamins for now pregnant or not! It will help you! I can't wait until you test! ;)

[atomic sagebrush]

My BFFs mom says I can continue BFing if I want...

but that I should double my prenatals.....

I take flintstone sour gummie vitamins (2)
and extra folic acid (800 mcg)

DO NOT double prenatal vitamins. Many vitamins are not safe in higher doses and can actually cause birth defects.

I always like everyone to take a bit extra folic esp. after a loss...1200-1600 for pink, 2000 for blue, up to 4000 if you have a previous history of a child with neural tube defects. i would also suggest a DHA supp for pregnancy like Enfamil Expecta.

The only difference between BF and not BF is about 300 extra cals a day. Which, if you're like me, when you're pregnant you eat that much more anyway!! :) I gained 80 lbs when BF DS 4 and already gained 35 lbs with this pg. o.O

I did have anemia, but I really think that's because this baby doesn't "like" meat and not because of BF. I also had anemia with my second son (not BF) and twice when I was a teenager and not even pregnant.

[atomic sagebrush]

Why the flinstone vitamins?? Sound yummy tho! I'm off to walmart to buy me a bunch of the big name brand test since walmart is less expensive :)
I'm having the worst cramps only on the left side of my lower belly & I am gassy today & mega bloated so to ease my loves mind I'll take a test for him but me being in denial I say AF is coming because of how bloated I am

Bloated and gassy are two of the telltale signs of early pg. I look more bloated at 10 DPO (when preggo) than I look when I'm 8 weeks pregnant.

[Butterfly Spirit]

DO NOT double prenatal vitamins. Many vitamins are not safe in higher doses and can actually cause birth defects.

I always like everyone to take a bit extra folic esp. after a loss...1200-1600 for pink, 2000 for blue, up to 4000 if you have a previous history of a child with neural tube defects. i would also suggest a DHA supp for pregnancy like Enfamil Expecta.

The only difference between BF and not BF is about 300 extra cals a day. Which, if you're like me, when you're pregnant you eat that much more anyway!! :) I gained 80 lbs when BF DS 4 and already gained 35 lbs with this pg. o.O

I did have anemia, but I really think that's because this baby doesn't "like" meat and not because of BF. I also had anemia with my second son (not BF) and twice when I was a teenager and not even pregnant.

Okay I did before I read this because I searched online. Could you look into the flintstone sour gummy ones and give me your opinion on those doubling?

What about iron? What should I increase?

Maybe even take 3 flintstones instead of 4 of them?

[Babyy Love]

Bloated and gassy are two of the telltale signs of early pg. I look more bloated at 10 DPO (when preggo) than I look when I'm 8 weeks pregnant.

I'm so bloated that I look 3 months pregnant :( ok ok the sad face is because I haven't tested and I'm whining like I look FAAAAAAAT!! Lol My love pressed my belly and was like WTH!? It feels like a rock and pressed it again & *gas* lol am I the only 1 who wants this so bad but I'm too chicken to test!?

[Babyy Love]

My last 2 pregnancies made me SO nauseated that I just tried them (2 is the adult dose) with extra folic. My doctors had absolutely NO problem with them! :)
Just take the vitamins for now pregnant or not! It will help you! I can't wait until you test! ;)

I'm such a punk I can't even explain why im in such denial and why I'm so scared to test.
Me being picky I'm scared to get the vitamins because I don't eat orange or grape or cherry and as I remember those are the vitamin flavors but I do take folic acid daily

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm such a punk I can't even explain why im in such denial and why I'm so scared to test.
Me being picky I'm scared to get the vitamins because I don't eat orange or grape or cherry and as I remember those are the vitamin flavors but I do take folic acid daily

Oh no... these aren't like Flintstone chewable vitamins...they are SO much better! At the time I was prego I read online that docs recommend them to ladies that get sick from taking prenatal vitamins! :)
I think you should test.....


YEP that's what I think!!! LMAO

[atomic sagebrush]

Doubling up once will not hurt anything, esp. this early on, and esp. with Flintstones vitamins which are not super high doses. If you do it for weeks and months on end, esp. in the latter half of the first trimester, it's just not a good idea (Vit. A in supplement form has been strongly linked to birth defects.) You just don't NEED to double up on vitamins, it's an old wives tale because you just don't need the megadoses of vitamins, breastfeeding or no. I'd rather see you find a prenatal gummy rather than the Flintstones ones to be sure you're getting the right combo of nutrients. The Flintstones are lacking in some nutrients you could benefit from and then have the Vit. A which you should be taking only a small amount via supps. They do have iodine which is good, so if you decide not to use them any more and your new vites don't have iodine, be sure to eat iodized salt.

You should probably (esp. coming off the bleeding) be on some form of iron to provide 100% ADULT iron needs. the downside of iron is that it upsets your stomach, so if the reason you're taking the Flintstones is because you get sick from reg. prenatals, an iron supplement is going to make you queasy.

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm so bloated that I look 3 months pregnant :( ok ok the sad face is because I haven't tested and I'm whining like I look FAAAAAAAT!! Lol My love pressed my belly and was like WTH!? It feels like a rock and pressed it again & *gas* lol am I the only 1 who wants this so bad but I'm too chicken to test!?

I never test until I'm pretty damn sure I'm pg. I hate getting neg pregnancy tests.

[TTC5]

Atomic have you heard of Spatone? It is natural iron water and does not upset tummy or constipate :)

[Babyy Love]

I never test until I'm pretty damn sure I'm pg. I hate getting neg pregnancy tests.

That's why I'm not testing because of all the negatives for basically 15 months str8 but I did buy first response at walmart & there's an extra test in the box so I guess I'll have extra if needed right ? I'm just too scared of getting a negative and hurt. When everyone around u puts it in ur head and makes u wonder and start to believe it's heartbreaking to see it's negative

[auroara78]

Butterfly, huge congrats!! You need get us a ticker and tell us more info...how are you feeling today?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly, huge congrats!! You need get us a ticker and tell us more info...how are you feeling today?

I updated my other thread sweetie.:)

"I'm Back In The Club" One.

[Butterfly Spirit]

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Ladies, I love you.. you are all so sweet and wonderful! And we are truly like a big family here! I don't know what I would do without the support. But right now I need all the powers of prayer that I can get. I have been dark red then bright red spotting with some small clots (clotting usually only happens when I lay down). I didn't want to talk about it of course due to the obvious.. but this am it seems to be slowing down a lot! It's turning brown now..maybe, and I hope it's just implantation!
I myself am praying HARD! I found an OB and I'm hoping in half an hour I can call and get an appt this morning. I am going to beg for progesterone before even being tested. It might be due to BFing because my baby won't stop :'( I love him too much to be a cold hard ass and say "NO!" I tried it in the past but it didn't work anyway. I really REALLY think it's a progesterone issue.. and pray.. PRAY pray pray the doctor will soften her heart and give me some. I don't want to put up a ticker just yet.

Thank you!

[Kiesse]

aww hunny, I am thinking of you. Did you get my text the other nite? I got home late lastnite and just didnt have the energy to get online. I hope that its only implantation bleeding, I know how much this little one is wanted. I am sending you big hugs and sticky vibes.
Please let me know how you get on with the doctor. Text me if you need me.
Big loves to you sweetie xoxox

[Butterfly Spirit]

Okay so... I went to the OB and he's VERY nice! I wouldn't mind delivering with him! It's just the hospital choice I need to make.

He did a quanitive test and checked my thyroid and gave me oral progesterone! Ahhh I feel better! He says I'll keep it up until 12 weeks if baby is.. well, there.
When I got home, I was really constipated and had to push hard.. and well I started bleeding red again.. I'm so tired of this.. can't it just STOP!?!?!
I hope this stops it! I'm praying HARD!

[Babyy Love]

Okay so... I went to the OB and he's VERY nice! I wouldn't mind delivering with him! It's just the hospital choice I need to make.

He did a quanitive test and checked my thyroid and gave me oral progesterone! Ahhh I feel better! He says I'll keep it up until 12 weeks if baby is.. well, there.
When I got home, I was really constipated and had to push hard.. and well I started bleeding red again.. I'm so tired of this.. can't it just STOP!?!?!
I hope this stops it! I'm praying HARD!


oh gosh butterfly i hope everything is OK !! we are all here for you & you are in our prayers!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Atomic question.. now I'm taking progesterone does it have to be exactly 12 hours apart or just in the neighborhood of the time frame. I took it at 6pm last night and I woke up at 7am realizing I set my cell alarm for 8 oops but I did wake up at 7am and take it. I know I have to take it religiously so don't worry about that! LOL

Thanks! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Just in the neighborhood is fine! Hope you're doing well today.

[Butterfly Spirit]

When I wiped peeing there at the doc the blood was brown.. yippee! :)

First beta was 55 (Well it's higher than the 48 last month!) :)
Doctor was concerned that it was low but I told him it was higher than then first time which was 48 and was 546 by a week later!

Thyroid is .20 maybe it was 0.27 .. that's a HUGE difference from 20 POINT something!!!!!!

[Babyy Love]

When I wiped peeing there at the doc the blood was brown.. yippee! :)

First beta was 55 (Well it's higher than the 48 last month!) :)
Doctor was concerned that it was low but I told him it was higher than then first time which was 48 and was 546 by a week later!

Thyroid is .20 maybe it was 0.27 .. that's a HUGE difference from 20 POINT something!!!!!!

I was thinking about youuuu!!! I was worried

[Butterfly Spirit]

I was thinking about youuuu!!! I was worried

I'm trying not to hang around the forums and update daily because then I just worry more. It sucks!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Oh and Atomic, my iron was fine! :) I didn't even ask him to check it.

How are you feeling with yours now?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Update: My doctor is fantastic he called in the same day: hcg is 100! It doubled yay! :)

[fresas]

When is your next appointment? I'm crossing my fingers for you.

[Butterfly Spirit]

When is your next appointment? I'm crossing my fingers for you.

He said whenever I choose to. I don't think every 48 hours is necessary. That's just me.
I will probably go on Tues though, in a week and have a much nicer three digit number.

More good news..blood is still brown.. the last two days it was bright red about an hour before I'd take my progesterone, around 5 pm it would be there. But not today yay! If I cramp tonight I will just say.. "IT'S NORMAL!"

[dramabird]

Thinking of you!! :bighug:

[TTC5]

I been wondering whats been happening but too scared to ask!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Thinking of you!! :bighug:

Thank you, and congratulations again, on your pregnancy sweetie! :)

[Mochagirl]

Butterfly - I'm sending sticky vibes to you constantly. I hope the bleeding stops soon so you can relax.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly - I'm sending sticky vibes to you constantly. I hope the bleeding stops soon so you can relax.

Thank you sweet Mocha lady! :)
ME TOO OMG.. but I did wipe after I said it was brown and I couldn't help looking because it was such a dry wipe, and it was mostly yellow from pee yay! I'm hoping only dry wipes remain from here on! And the progesterone is doing it's job!
Me too! I have a question... do you eat cinnamon rolls? I read they are bad but my mom bought some for family dinner this week. LOL

I promise I will put up a ticker next week with my next blood results because by then they should be over 546.. ;)

[Mochagirl]

Yay for dry wipes!!!!

I looooove cinnamon rolls - I can never stop at one!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Went pee again.. ALL yellow!

second wipe a tinge of brown....

YAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

All week I've just dreaded going pee..

But I think now I am feeling better!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yay for dry wipes!!!!

I looooove cinnamon rolls - I can never stop at one!

I guess I'm nervous to...
but I'm an idiot in other ways.. still eating lunchmeat.. I think I will stop eating it right out of the package and cook it.

[Mochagirl]

Yay! Sounds like the baby may have finally settled in there. Let's hope that spotting stays away!

I do avoid deli meats, but what's the worry about cinnamon rolls?

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yay! Sounds like the baby may have finally settled in there. Let's hope that spotting stays away!

I do avoid deli meats, but what's the worry about cinnamon rolls?

Gosh I hope so!!! Thank you for being so sweet and supportive! I'm SO excited tonight and just have good feelings!

Well I learned cinnamon around O was BAD so I abstained.. then I read conflicting statements about pregnancy. I guess since mine is so fragile I will abstain now too. haha :)

[Mochagirl]

I've honestly never heard that cinnamon can be dangerous. Sometimes I feel like if you look hard enough there's some element of risk with everything we eat! Definitely eat only what you're comfortable with. I know I was super cautious in the 1st trimester after my m/c - it's natural.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I've honestly never heard that cinnamon can be dangerous. Sometimes I feel like if you look hard enough there's some element of risk with everything we eat! Definitely eat only what you're comfortable with. I know I was super cautious in the 1st trimester after my m/c - it's natural.

I SOO agree with you! :)
I ate lunchmeat in my salads daily with DS #1 and 2! Never cooked it! :\

[Mochagirl]

In all my previous pregnancies I guzzled coffee in almost my normal pre-pregnancy amounts, but for much of this pregnancy I've limited myself to one cup of half caf/half decaf a day - this was huge for me.

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh and Atomic, my iron was fine! :) I didn't even ask him to check it.

How are you feeling with yours now?

Still off my game but getting better, thanks!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

In all my previous pregnancies I guzzled coffee in almost my normal pre-pregnancy amounts, but for much of this pregnancy I've limited myself to one cup of half caf/half decaf a day - this was huge for me.

GOOD girl! :)

And I haven't had much Coke LOL I did have my first one yesterday since my BFP last month! I'm proud of myself, it's a lifelong addiction too!

[atomic sagebrush]

i think you have to eat a fair amount of cinnamon to have any negative effect on a pregnancy.

[atomic sagebrush]

I SOO agree with you! :)
I ate lunchmeat in my salads daily with DS #1 and 2! Never cooked it! :\

With my first two pg, they never mentioned any of this stuff and we all ate it all the time. :) now they say you can't even eat leftovers - I understand erring on the safe side but at some point you have to eat something.

[Butterfly Spirit]

With my first two pg, they never mentioned any of this stuff and we all ate it all the time. :) now they say you can't even eat leftovers - I understand erring on the safe side but at some point you have to eat something.

WHAT!?!?!?!?! Ridiculous! Thanks for sharing! :D I won't go with that one! ;)
I guess I need to brush up on what I can and can't eat or use..

With my pregnancy/M/C
I read pineapple wasn't good.. and I ate it in my salads because I couldn't find good strawberries.
pomegranate also not good.. and I used handsoap.
aloe vera!

I won't use it again.. even bought a lotion without it.

Yeah I'm probably being silly.. it was probably the thyroid and nothing else!

[Butterfly Spirit]

But Atomic I would love for you to put up an essay saying what you can and cannot do/eat while pregnant! ;)

[Plum3]

Congrats!! I missed this somehow!

Oh and cinnamon... why is it bad? I had a sneaky cinnamon donut yesterday. Today is O day!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Congrats!! I missed this somehow!

Oh and cinnamon... why is it bad? I had a sneaky cinnamon donut yesterday. Today is O day!

Thanks! :)

I'll bet you are fine. There's conflicting information on the web. Some places say it aids O!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Another question...about water. I HATE IT!

How much do you prego ladies drink?

Upon writing this I forced myself to guzzle almost a whole bottle!

[Plum3]

Thanks! :)

I'll bet you are fine. There's conflicting information on the web. Some places say it aids O!

Oh does it have something to do with O? Ok I won't worry about one darn donut!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Okay a YELLOW wipe and small tinge of brown in the middle..barely there. Ahhhhh this is
G O O D!

AND the same at 2 hours later!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Oh does it have something to do with O? Ok I won't worry about one darn donut!

Here's my favorite site's response so far! haha

Cinnamon for Fertility Myth or Reality | Sophisticated Edge (http://www.sophisticatededge.com/cinnamon-for-fertility-myth-or-reality.html)

[Butterfly Spirit]

OMG YELLOW Is such a BEAUTIFUL Color.. sorry but after what I've been through, I just could not resist!
:)
:running:
I don't mean to purposely let you all know how often I pee, there's a reason for it!

[auroara78]

LOL Butterfly...I bet yellow is a much better color than brown or red! totally understand, you crack me up :rofl:

I am glad it's getting better, and can't wait till the hcg goes up way high!!

Just for reassurance, cinnanom is one of those spices that you have to consume a pretty big amount to have any toxic effects. One cinn roll is surely OK, prob even two...the most you'll get out of the cinn roll that may be hurtful to you is constipaction! After I got my BFP, I resumed eating my oatmeal again, and guess what flavor it was? Cinn. and spice! Baby is very healthy and OK!

My only concern with the lunch meat is sodium nitrate is in most lunch meat, and that is supposedly a big no no for pregnancy. I didn't listen and consumed quite a bit of it for lunches when preg with DS2, and he's awesome and very smart, but he has a milk protein allergy and some issues with food allergies. I'm not blaming his allergies on the lunch meat per se, but I ate everything the same with both pregs, except the lunch meat with DS2. DS1 does not have a single food allergy--again, the lucnh meat is prob not to blame, but it does concern me to the point that I did not have anything with sodium nitrate this time just in case.....if my DS1 wants bacon, we buy the all natural organic bacon that is sodium nitrate free and even then I only have 1 slice, if that, because I'm so paranoid...

And I'm sure this is not helping either...lol, but I just wanted to share my experience with lunch meat with you.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yes mam, and it's STILL GONE this am! I love love love that Progesterone! :) I know I can't forget to take it.. I have three cell phone alarms for each time I take it during the day!

Thank you for sharing your experiences with lunch meat and cinnamon!
So because of the nitrates don't consume it at all? Dang it, it's good! LOL

I know I'm being silly about the cinnamon. You guys enjoy it and don't worry! I will wait! ;)

[Mochagirl]

All this talk of cinnamon rolls made me hungry, so I bought one this morning and just finished it a few minutes ago :).

For me I don't eat deli meat because of the risk of listeria. I probably should worry about nitrates but I don't - I just had bacon this weekend. I do eat deli meats if they're hot - like in a grilled panini - but I only have things like that once in a long while.

Oh, and I'm soooo happy the progesterone is working!!!!!

[dramabird]

For me I don't eat deli meat because of the risk of listeria.

Same here ... I don't eat deli meat/lunch meat or hot dogs when I'm pregnant. I figure that's such a tiny sliver of the total things we can eat overall (esp. after the sway diet where it felt like so many things, including ALL meats, were off the table) that I can easily do without it for nine months. Pregnancy is tough enough to achieve and m/c so devastating, that I figure it's one easy thing I can do to prevent trouble. My mother did lose a baby at 20 weeks when I was a toddler and she believes it's because she changed cat litter (which can be a vector for toxoplasmosis ... I originally miswrote this as listeria and edited to fix; also, I should add that it wasn't her cat, it was my grandmother's, so my mom wouldn't have had the long-term exposure to help with immunity).
As Atomic said, you can't freak out about everything ... and most m/c are chromosomal and not caused by anything that moms did. But for me personally, I'm more comfortable taking a temporary pause on Oscar Mayer and his ilk. ;) (I totally still eat bacon, though!!! Mmm, bacon!!!)

[Mochagirl]

I do eat hot dogs and sausages if I've made them myself and know they've been heated enough to kill any listeria, but with my first pregnancy I didn't touch them at all. I'd still never get one from an outdoor cart or at a large organized BBQ because you never know with those of they've been cooked long enough.

[auroara78]

Drama, now I'm freaked out a little...I have changed cat box 2-3 times this preg, i thought the biggest issue with catbox during pregnancy was the toxosomplomous (sp?) thing? I've had the cats for over 10 years, so I assumed I'd already been exposed years ago to the toxompolus....listeria huh? My DH always makes a fuss when I say I cannot change the cat box because of the pregnancy so when it gets too bad I put on gloves, a mask and make sure I"m covered up and do it, then take a shower right afterwards...I'm going to have to look this up.

[Mochagirl]

Ack! I wrote a big long reply on my phone then tapatalk crashed and I lost it. What I said was that Toxoplasmosis is the main worry with cat litter, but both my midwife and vet assured me in the past that my chances of getting it were almost zero. First of all, if you have an indoor cat they're unlikely to get it in the first place, and if you've spent a large chunk of your life around cats you've likely had it before anyway and are now immune. I changed the litter myself through my whole pregnancy with ds3 because dh despised the cat and there is no way I could have gotten him to do it.

[Butterfly Spirit]

We have a kitty too and we all love her.. we didn't want to get rid of her. DH is changing the litter.
And I don't breathe it in. I leave when he changes it, and I'm cautious when I walk by it.
Stupid toxoplasmosis.

[auroara78]

Mocha, thanks that is very reassuring! My DH does do it most of the time but sometimes I gotta pitch in to get it done.

[dramabird]

Drama, now I'm freaked out a little...I have changed cat box 2-3 times this preg, i thought the biggest issue with catbox during pregnancy was the toxosomplomous (sp?) thing? I've had the cats for over 10 years, so I assumed I'd already been exposed years ago to the toxompolus....listeria huh? My DH always makes a fuss when I say I cannot change the cat box because of the pregnancy so when it gets too bad I put on gloves, a mask and make sure I"m covered up and do it, then take a shower right afterwards...I'm going to have to look this up.

In looking over my "I'm expecting" app, it does look like I confused the two. I thought listeria was involved in both deli meats and the kitty litter thing ... but it looks like the latter is toxo, not listeria. Sorry about that ... I will edit my post to fix.

Also, in my mom's case, she had changed the kitty litter at my grandmother's house. So it wasn't her cat and she hadn't had the regular exposure. I figure that if you CAN have your DH or someone else do it, it sure is good to be on the safe side. But each of us has to do what's best for her and what fits into her life. (No cats for us, as DH is quite allergic!! :))

[Mochagirl]

We don't have a cat anymore since we had to put her to sleep last Fall, so I don't have to worry about it anymore.

[Butterfly Spirit]

My doc's nurse just called me and said that my urine culture for Group B Strep came back positive and he would like to treat me with penicillin...WHY NOW!? When my pregnancy is so fragile, I don't know if I am comfortable taking antibiotics. Can somebody help?

I had Group B with DS#2 but they just gave me antibiotics at delivery..for crying out loud!

[dloui128]

I had groub B with both dd1 and dd2. With dd1 I tested positive early on so I had to take antibiotics and again during delivery. With dd2 I didn't test positive until later in pregnancy so I didn't need antibiotics until delivery.

[Mochagirl]

I've never even heard of them screening for GBS that early, much less treating it. I thought a baby could only contract it through a vaginal birth anyway - you still have 9 months until then! I hope someone with more knowledge has some answers for you.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I had groub B with both dd1 and dd2. With dd1 I tested positive early on so I had to take antibiotics and again during delivery. With dd2 I didn't test positive until later in pregnancy so I didn't need antibiotics until delivery.

When did you take antibiotics early on? :)

[Butterfly Spirit]

Babycenter.com is saying the bacteria can come and go and that's why they do it at 35 weeks!
It also said if you test positive it means you are a carrier but that
you or the baby won't necessarily become ill even without proper treatment.

I think I will tell him no when I see him next Tues. I will be 5 weeks then.

[dloui128]

When did you take antibiotics early on? :)

I think I was around 3 months so definitely not as early as you

[Butterfly Spirit]

I think I was around 3 months so definitely not as early as you

He's insane then. I wonder if he thinks it will prevent a miscarriage. UGH!

[dloui128]

He's insane then. I wonder if he thinks it will prevent a miscarriage. UGH!

Maybe you should call and talk to him and see why he thinks you should take antibiotics if it can come and go, whats his reasoning behind it

[Butterfly Spirit]

Maybe you should call and talk to him and see why he thinks you should take antibiotics if it can come and go, whats his reasoning behind it

I agree with you, I will definitely talk to him next week when I see him. I'd rather not have him pressure me on the phone right now. :( I'm so irritated enough, and I won't just do exactly what I'm told from here on, they aren't always right. Doing stuff too early is a BAAD idea, I would have never gone to the hospital when I thought I was miscarrying, just got my blood drawn. There's nothing they can do but painful, invasive, unnecessary things when they can't stop it from happening anyways. Okay rant over. :)

[maybeoneday]

Butterfly, they don't even test for Group B Strep at ANY point in pregnancy in the UK so they sure as hell can't treat it.... I would definately question the need for antibiotics at this point in pregnancy and what the problem with leaving it is as in my understanding as well it comes and goes all by itself with no treatment. Good luck!

[Butterfly Spirit]

So I call the pharmacist to cancel the penicillin and he's like.. "Well penicilin is the absolute safest things to take during pregnancy blah blah blah..." And I thought...yeah well probably not mine in this fragile state! for hellsakes. I told him I didn't want it right now. He's like "Well I can keep it on file for you until you talk to your doctor.." "Yea, that's fine." And he thanked me for the heads up. UGH!

[Butterfly Spirit]

One question.. how many times do you ladies in early pregnancy pee. I have frequent strong urges...I need to keep track.
trying to determine if it's a UTI. Never had one in my life but yeah... :(
In the past few months I did notice white mucus like stuff in my cups of pee when I did my opks, but couldn't find any real BIG concern answers on the net. Then today I go to look it up and it says blood or mucus in urine is a symptom.

What do they use to treat UTIS in early pregnancy.. or pregnancy in general?

antibiotics? lol

[TTC5]

I pee'd alot in first trimester!!!

[Babyy Love]

Butterfly!! Atomic!! U were such great help along my journey & I greatly appreciate it that's why I want to tell u 1st I got my BFP! :)

[coocoobananas]

I know I'm neither but congratulations!!!

[TTC5]

Butterfly!! Atomic!! U were such great help along my journey & I greatly appreciate it that's why I want to tell u 1st I got my BFP! :)

CONGRATULATIONS!

[Mochagirl]

Congrats, babyy love!!

[Plum3]

Congrats Babyy love :)

[atomic sagebrush]

Drama, now I'm freaked out a little...I have changed cat box 2-3 times this preg, i thought the biggest issue with catbox during pregnancy was the toxosomplomous (sp?) thing? I've had the cats for over 10 years, so I assumed I'd already been exposed years ago to the toxompolus....listeria huh? My DH always makes a fuss when I say I cannot change the cat box because of the pregnancy so when it gets too bad I put on gloves, a mask and make sure I"m covered up and do it, then take a shower right afterwards...I'm going to have to look this up.

First of all, if you've had cats your whole life you've probably been exposed already (it's a very mild illness and easy to miss) and secondly, if you wear gloves and a mask it's tough to catch it anyway (you actually have to INGEST the oocytes). Most people don't even catch it from cats, they catch it from contaminated meat or vegetables. Also, it's most dangerous to a baby in the first tri anyway (when luckily, it's hardest for them to catch.)

Our cat had toxoplasmosis when I was 7 months pg with DS 2, so severely that she actually went into liver failure and passed away and the infection was so thorough that her tissues were preserved and are now on display at Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine! o.O

I didn't catch the toxoplasmosis even tho she bit me while she was sick (may I just say, that was a nightmare) and DS 2 was and is fine.

The interesting thing about toxoplasmosis is that if you've been infected with it, you may have more sons than the population as a whole. Crazy!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Butterfly!! Atomic!! U were such great help along my journey & I greatly appreciate it that's why I want to tell u 1st I got my BFP! :)


3050
AHHHHHHHHHHH :running:

Babyy Love hon, FABULOUS! JUST FAB!!!!!
Oh what a feeling, what a relief huh!
I am SOOO happy for you babe! :)
Wanna see a picture of it!
Now somebody can join me in the February ~*Good Luck Rainbow Club! haha

[atomic sagebrush]

Butterfly, they don't even test for Group B Strep at ANY point in pregnancy in the UK so they sure as hell can't treat it.... I would definately question the need for antibiotics at this point in pregnancy and what the problem with leaving it is as in my understanding as well it comes and goes all by itself with no treatment. Good luck!

Also, they never tested for Group B at all until pretty recently...I was never tested with my first two sons.

I would keep up the probiotic!!!! It will compete for resources with the Group B and hopefully the Group B will die out.

[atomic sagebrush]

One question.. how many times do you ladies in early pregnancy pee. I have frequent strong urges...I need to keep track.
trying to determine if it's a UTI. Never had one in my life but yeah... :(
In the past few months I did notice white mucus like stuff in my cups of pee when I did my opks, but couldn't find any real BIG concern answers on the net. Then today I go to look it up and it says blood or mucus in urine is a symptom.

What do they use to treat UTIS in early pregnancy.. or pregnancy in general?

antibiotics? lol

Peeing in early pg is super common due to hormonal changes. I wouldn't worry about it unless you see blood in your urine and they'll be able to detect that at your next doc's visit.

[atomic sagebrush]

Butterfly!! Atomic!! U were such great help along my journey & I greatly appreciate it that's why I want to tell u 1st I got my BFP! :)

Oh that's fantastic Babyy! Wishing you the very best of luck and happy and healthy 9 months! :heart:

[Butterfly Spirit]

UPDATE: So after I told you ladies I stopped spotting I just had scant spotting... but right after that.. nothing, nada, and all is well! :) I feel like my vagina or cervix or whatever is tight in there constantly.. Can't stop focusing on it.. So I'm telling myself I am constantly aroused because that is what it feels like! I haven't let hubby touch me since my BFP.

[LolaInLove]

Glad the progesterone is working and all seems well! I had GBS with both and just had to have antibiotics during labor. I don't see why you would take penicillin now, that seems WAY to early. I'd scrap it and go with probiotics!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Glad the progesterone is working and all seems well! I had GBS with both and just had to have antibiotics during labor. I don't see why you would take penicillin now, that seems WAY to early. I'd scrap it and go with probiotics!

What does the probiotics mean that you and Atomic speak of?

And thank you Lola! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

It's healthy bacteria that live in your body all the time, that your body is used to and likes having around (some even help us digest our food) and compete for resources (food, space) with "bad" bacteria that can make us sick like Group B strep and even things like yeasts (which are not bacteria of course). If you have a lot of healthy bacteria, it's very difficult to get infected by "bad" bacteria, because the bad guys can't get a toehold.

You've probably heard them called by other names like acidophilus. Probiotic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic) I think probiotics are GREAT for everyone to take especially during pregnancy (and I'm actually out and need to get some myself!) If you take them in advance of delivery, the good bacteria colonize your VJ and your baby actually gets a nice big dose of them as s/he passes thru the birth canal.

If you do have a UTI, the probiotic will also help clear that up as well.

[LolaInLove]

They are like "good" bacteria that help balance your system out. Here is a good article: Probiotics & Probiotic Supplements - WebMD: Uses and Safety (http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/tc/probiotics-topic-overview) I take them on and off, and did take them when pg with #2 as my doula advised that I should take them for overall health, first, but also to counter the GBS.

[LolaInLove]

LOL, I hoped Atomic would have a better explanation than me!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

UGH I've tried that before LOL my baby got thrush and I got a yeast infection in my vag and on my nipples! Took forever to get out of baby and off boobies! I took it during antibiotics though...
so I don't know what it will do on it's own. I'm so scared to take anything :(

Took a family member's advice to AVOID thrush because of antibiotics!

[suregena]

3050
AHHHHHHHHHHH :running:

Babyy Love hon, FABULOUS! JUST FAB!!!!!
Oh what a feeling, what a relief huh!
I am SOOO happy for you babe! :)
Wanna see a picture of it!
Now somebody can join me in the February ~*Good Luck Rainbow Club! haha


I hope to join you there! Give me a week so I know for sure that I am! *fingers crossed* Things are looking hopeful, though. It would be a wonderful bunch to be in a due date group with. :)

[atomic sagebrush]

????Antibiotics CAUSE thrush and yeast infections. You want PRObiotics and they'll help prevent thrush and YI.

Taking probiotics while on antibiotics don't gain you anything, because antibiotics kill bacteria, both good and bad. So the probiotics weren't doing anything for you.

[Butterfly Spirit]

I hope to join you there! Give me a week so I know for sure that I am! *fingers crossed* Things are looking hopeful, though. It would be a wonderful bunch to be in a due date group with. :)

You are so sweet Surgena, you are meant to be there! I think it was a ID! :)
FX!!!!! was the dip yesterday?

[Butterfly Spirit]

????Antibiotics CAUSE thrush and yeast infections. You want PRObiotics and they'll help prevent thrush and YI.

Taking probiotics while on antibiotics don't gain you anything, because antibiotics kill bacteria, both good and bad. So the probiotics weren't doing anything for you.

I know huh.. I listened to my sister-in-law because she was nursing and didn't get it. :)
I didn't mean I know, lol.. I meant Oh, that makes sense type of I know.. haha

[suregena]

You are so sweet Surgena, you are meant to be there! I think it was a ID! :)
FX!!!!! was the dip yesterday?

Yes, yesterday... and then my temp went straight back up today! I was 8dpo yesterday! So, good timing, right??

This morning when I half-awake took my temp, I waited in great anticipation for the beep so I could see if my temp went straight back up... it did! :D

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yes, yesterday... and then my temp went straight back up today! I was 8dpo yesterday! So, good timing, right??

This morning when I half-awake took my temp, I waited in great anticipation for the beep so I could see if my temp went straight back up... it did! :D

FRIGGIN SWEEEEEET! :running:

[Mochagirl]

The interesting thing about toxoplasmosis is that if you've been infected with it, you may have more sons than the population as a whole. Crazy!

Interesting! I wonder if that was a factor in me having 3 boys!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Any safe stool softeners during pregnancy. I hate this! :(

Straining brings back scanty spotting!

[fresas]

You can use docusate safely during pregnancy. If you aren't really suffering from nausea, eat anything with heavy fiber content: grapes, apples, plumbs, shredded weight, beans, broccoli, green and red leaf lettuce, etc. Have hot soup (not high in fiber, but hot liquid can encourage your intestines to stop being so lazy). Make sure you aren't getting too much iron from your prenatal vitamin. Avoid bananas. The progesterone can cause constipation, too.

I have heard of probiotics causing a yeast infection. Yeast infections can happen when any of the good bacteria is imbalanced, either too much or too little.

[Butterfly Spirit]

You can use docusate safely during pregnancy. If you aren't really suffering from nausea, eat anything with heavy fiber content: grapes, apples, plumbs, shredded weight, beans, broccoli, green and red leaf lettuce, etc. Have hot soup (not high in fiber, but hot liquid can encourage your intestines to stop being so lazy). Make sure you aren't getting too much iron from your prenatal vitamin. Avoid bananas. The progesterone can cause constipation, too.

I have heard of probiotics causing a yeast infection. Yeast infections can happen when any of the good bacteria is imbalanced, either too much or too little.



Thanks Fresas! I wonder about Miralax! :)

[TTC5]

Any safe stool softeners during pregnancy. I hate this! :(

Straining brings back scanty spotting!


Coloxal is safe.

[Babyy Love]

:hugs:
Thank you thank you thank you so much everyone!!! I wouldn't have gotten thru this journey without anyone here! There is nothing but positivity & happiness here who wouldn't want to have you all around!? I wish I knew most of you face2face. Surgena I truly believe you will be right in the February with me and Butterfly :) I hope I have a stubborn kid like myself who will wait until March but I doubt it! I will try to get a picture ASAP!

Oh && I forgot it's time to change these siggys!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Yes it is!! The lifelike looking one is on Pregnology: Pregnancy dates and numbers (http://www.pregnology.com)

You'll have to bare with me with adding mine....next week sometime hopefully..

[Babyy Love]

Yes it is!! The lifelike looking one is on Pregnology: Pregnancy dates and numbers (http://www.pregnology.com)

You'll have to bare with me with adding mine....next week sometime hopefully..

I will add mine as soon as I find out my due date but so far I like the baby gaga tickers because of its humor.
Oh Gosh I have so much to buy before I reach 10 weeks! I now need a camera & a new laptop..I want to document everything! And then I need a body pillow since I'm already having back pains only when I sleep no matter what time of day it is :( & I am investing in bio oil & mederma

[Butterfly Spirit]

Can we not use HTML code in our signature on this site? I'd like to add some html coded thing! ;)

[suregena]

I like Baby Gaga tickers, too. I used that when I was pregnant with my son.

[atomic sagebrush]

Interesting! I wonder if that was a factor in me having 3 boys!

I wonder that about myself too. My sister also has a boy and we always had cats growing up, and we know another set of sisters who had cats who have all boys between them. I have even considered getting a titre done but I'm not sure how reliable it would be because I wouldn't be able to tell when i had it - I could have conceived all 4 boys without having had it and caught it 11 months ago, KWIM??

[atomic sagebrush]

Can we not use HTML code in our signature on this site? I'd like to add some html coded thing! ;)

There is a way to do it but I"m not sure how...try starting a new thread and asking so more people can see it.

[Mochagirl]

I wonder that about myself too. My sister also has a boy and we always had cats growing up, and we know another set of sisters who had cats who have all boys between them. I have even considered getting a titre done but I'm not sure how reliable it would be because I wouldn't be able to tell when i had it - I could have conceived all 4 boys without having had it and caught it 11 months ago, KWIM??

Then again, I have a friend who's been a cat lover and owner her whole life and she has twin girls, and her sister is a vet specialising in cats and also has a girl. Now I'm going to be wracking my brain trying to think of cat owner friends and what gender their kids are! :bigsmile:

[maybeoneday]

I don't have and have never owned cats, in fact they make me sneeze so tend to steer clear but still have 2 boys! Ah well, the answers are out there somewhere.........

[LolaInLove]

Then again, I have a friend who's been a cat lover and owner her whole life and she has twin girls, and her sister is a vet specialising in cats and also has a girl. Now I'm going to be wracking my brain trying to think of cat owner friends and what gender their kids are! :bigsmile:

I've had a cat the majority of my life and have girls.

[Butterfly Spirit]

Things are going well ladies as far as I know, no spotting *knocks on wood*
and that progesterone is REALLY working because I was really backed up and kept going.. not fun lol I got DH to get me some prune juice so I'll drink that nasty stuff and see how things go.
I feel VERY tired, and peeing like nobody's business!

PS: Prune Juice is Nasssty! LOL

[Babyy Love]

Things are going well ladies as far as I know, no spotting *knocks on wood*
and that progesterone is REALLY working because I was really backed up and kept going.. not fun lol I got DH to get me some prune juice so I'll drink that nasty stuff and see how things go.
I feel VERY tired, and peeing like nobody's business!

PS: Prune Juice is Nasssty! LOL

Going as in crap?? Dear god I'm in pain! I just wanna go! I'm not too nauseous yet but OMG these cramps are painful! Not as bad as AF cramps

[Butterfly Spirit]

Going as in crap?? Dear god I'm in pain! I just wanna go! I'm not too nauseous yet but OMG these cramps are painful! Not as bad as AF cramps

Well, since I'm too paranoid to take anything.. and I mean anything other women took and were okay.. I'll just stick with prune juice for constipation. I read babycenter and it said that a large increase in progesterone causes it! OKKAY that's me no doubt! Then I'm breastfeeding and I am forcing myself to drink TONS of water.
When you gonna change those tickers to pregnancy? ;)

[Babyy Love]

Well, since I'm too paranoid to take anything.. and I mean anything other women took and were okay.. I'll just stick with prune juice for constipation. I read babycenter and it said that a large increase in progesterone causes it! OKKAY that's me no doubt! Then I'm breastfeeding and I am forcing myself to drink TONS of water.
When you gonna change those tickers to pregnancy? ;)


Probably Friday after my doctors appointment when I really know my due date..I'm trying to figure out how to post my test pictures :( I need a new computer and phone to do so tho

[Butterfly Spirit]

I'm 5 weeks today! YAY!! :running:

[suregena]

Every week counts! :D

[Mochagirl]

Woohoo!!!!!

[Butterfly Spirit]

I will certainly be celebrating each week! LOL :)
And I can't wait until week 12!

I won't be hanging around as much though, so I can keep my mind off of things. I will come back to check on you tmw though Surgena!

[Butterfly Spirit]

Well ladies I have for the first time in my life broken 200 lbs on the scale! YIKES! I was 189 with both my boys and I gained only around 15 lbs with each one during the pregnancy. but I didn't break 200 ever lol... so uhm, yeah.. lol I'll be HUGE at delivery! I'm hoping the extra weight I put on with April only helped me conceive this one as well. :D
I'm pretty damn confident it's a girl, so we'll see!