Dreaming Pink Due Date Group: TTC and Beyond

[I Love Ladybugs]

At appt....only 30 more mins....5 less if I count the potty breaks. I am hoping to directly update here, but if not, Dream is going to be my go to girl.

Charlee...I just melted at what you wrote...and Gecon, I so agree with you!!!

[I Love Ladybugs]

Got bumped to second...hope that means good news or at least less worse news.

[Waiting4Daisy]

Good luck ladybugs. I hoe you get seen soon and hope baby is a beautiful totally healthy little bub and maybe a bit of pink icing on top of the cake :-). Keeping everything crossed that everything is just fine with baby xxx

[meeks32]

omg the suspense is killing me! I thought for sure I'd wake up to the news!!

[Dreamofpink]

omg the suspense is killing me! I thought for sure I'd wake up to the news!!

Ladybugs I've pm'd you x x
Hoping for good news too but I have to go to bed, it's late! :)

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[myrainbowgirl]

Ladybugs - Praying all is well...looking forward to your news!

Everyone else - hi!

AFM - Just went on and on the other thread about the possibility of being depressed. I don't know if I am, just know that I'm really struggling right now. Feel so down and out, and really having a hard time enjoying the boys. It's the end of summer, and I've been home with them since late May, so I think that's a part of it. Looking forward to the new school routine. DS2 started preschool today, that should help, although it's only 2 mornings a week (and he's my easy kid). DS1 (my hard kid) doesn't start school (1/2 day kindergarten) till Sept. 3, as he's going to a brand-new school and they are still finishing the building. Once he's in school, it will help tremendously, but I feel terrible for just counting down the days till then. Yuck. DS3 is very into things and starting (at 15 mos.) to do some naughty things (throwing his food and cup, etc.). Needless to say, adding another one at this point is beginning to seem like a bad idea. I honestly, HONESTLY thought I would get pg with a girl. That's why I did this! Why I was never truly honest with myself about the possibility of another boy is beyond me. Of course I knew it was possible, but I didn't think it would happen to me! Here I am facing the reality of that possibility, and I am struggling. I know in time I will be ok, but right now, it's tough. In my heart, I absolutely know God has a plan, and that it's perfect for me. In time I know I will see why He gave me 4 boys (assuming that's the end result), and will be so happy. I am just feeling the brunt of reality right now, I guess. Ugh. Thanks for letting me vent! (And yes, I know that a girl is still a possibility...trying to have faith! :))

[Dreamofpink]

Myrainbowgirl, I'm so sorry to hear that you're having such a hard time of things. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to mention it to your midwife or doc when you next see them. You shouldn't have to suffer alone.

I completely understand the thought of 'the opposite won't happen to me'. Of course, you still have a lot of hope left for a little girl, but it is hard despite all the warnings from Atomic that swaying is no guarantee not to believe that if you work hard enough at it you'll crack it! I am only speaking for me here as I KNOW I'm having a boy - you don't :wink: I've been giving it all a lot of thought recently and although it's purely anecdotal, it seems that there's a trend towards getting a girl when you're totally at peace (or maybe mostly) with the thought of another boy. I know for me I was full-on, kitchen-sink, 'if only I do this absolutely perfectly IT WILL WORK!!' and now I can see where that was undoubtedly my biggest downfall. I am now working on finding peace and truly accepting my lot. I want to be a happy boy mum instead of one in denial as I have been for the last 4 years. And the stereo-typical control-freak boy mum!

Sorry for rambling here, but emotions are so much harder to deal with during pg. I had PTSD after the birth of ds1 (extremely traumatic time!) and after 6 months of seeing a peri-natal counsellor I was able to move on. However, time's a great healer too. You must look after yourself just now & speak to someone. I refused any medication even though I could've had some, but I felt that I really wasn't depressed just in shock. IF you need medication though don't be afraid and let your doc guide you.

Sending you a big hug x x

[I Love Ladybugs]

I am finally at the friend's place and online. My message did not go through to you dream initially, so my sort of update did not happen then.

So, I went into the session and listened to it all and only at the end was told gender. My little girl has some concerns and issues, I wish it was simple to explain and be at peace with. The left kidney is perfect, but the right with the two cysts also has "isolate unilateral duplex collecting system and (can't read their writing)uretade? something upper pole.. Basically, cysts that make the top part non functional, but she would have some use of the lower segment. The bladder issue is due to this secondary duct attaching to it and causing a bulge. The news that I am struggling the most with is the 3% chance of chromosomal issues....ie Down's and the like. We will be monitored closely, down again here in 5 weeks, and meet with the ped. nephrologist (sorry, on my pals Mac and know that is not how I want to spell that word.) I will be on my own computer tomorrow and try my best to update better then. I am emotional...I have to believe my baby is going to be in the 97%

[meeks32]

I am finally at the friend's place and online. My message did not go through to you dream initially, so my sort of update did not happen then.

So, I went into the session and listened to it all and only at the end was told gender. My little girl has some concerns and issues, I wish it was simple to explain and be at peace with. The left kidney is perfect, but the right with the two cysts also has "isolate unilateral duplex collecting system and (can't read their writing)uretade? something upper pole.. Basically, cysts that make the top part non functional, but she would have some use of the lower segment. The bladder issue is due to this secondary duct attaching to it and causing a bulge. The news that I am struggling the most with is the 3% chance of chromosomal issues....ie Down's and the like. We will be monitored closely, down again here in 5 weeks, and meet with the ped. nephrologist (sorry, on my pals Mac and know that is not how I want to spell that word.) I will be on my own computer tomorrow and try my best to update better then. I am emotional...I have to believe my baby is going to be in the 97%

I am so sorry this wasn't the good news we were all hoping you would hear.

The only thing to do for your sanity and her health is to look at the positives and focus on those, as you already are... 97% is a fantastic chance of having a baby without chromosomal issues. The kidney issue seems like it is ok for now, we can all survive with 1 kidney, and she has 1.5 functioning from what I understand of the above. It doesnt seem like the bladder issue is going to be a problem during pregnancy at least, does it? And I assume that secondary duct can be fixed surgically when she is born? Also they are monitoring you closely and you have a team of very good specialists tracking you and baby.

97% keeps echoing in my head, if someone said you had 97% chance of winning the lottery, or getting married or having a baby, you would not even think about the 3% chance that you may not. Try and remember it like that maybe?

I'm really useless at this, trying to cheer you up when I've never been in your situation. Trying to think of things that would make me feel more calm. Its not fair that it's happening to you, and with everything else that has gone on recently with your brother and so on, its just even more horrible. I'm so sorry, but I also think that prognosis sounds very promising and I really feel she will survive this with amazing strength and resilience, and you will too.

I know as a mum we always wish we could be the sick one or the one needing medical help, rather than our children, and the most heartbreaking part is when they are sick and we feel we cant help. But you being healthy and surrounded by medical people that can help right now is all you can do for this little bub, and thats just what you are doing.

hugs.

It seems petty now, but I don't want to ignore it, congratulations on your baby girl, I think we have to focus on what positives there are in this unfortunate circumstance. At least you know who is in there now, and can connect to her emotionally.

xx

[I Love Ladybugs]

Meeks...my brother is one tough bean, so I need to be just like him!!! I will get some sleep tonight, some time with the friend tomorrow and will be on the way home on Thursday. How are you holding up? I am going to be stalking all the girls in this thread....and wishing them first and foremost healthy babies..but since I had the 4 weeks of preparing for DS3, I get the gender desire element as well.
You did cheer me up...thanks! :)

[Tree]

I love ladybugs, from my research the chamces of the baby having downs from one isolated soft marker are very remote. I should expect even more remote than the 3% you were given. That number was probably based on babies with downs who had the kidney issue BUT in all likelihood had a multitude of other markers!! It's horrid having the sickening worry. As parents the only thing that truly matters is that our children are happy and healthy. To consider they won't be is not something we allow ourselves which is why we feel the freedom to think about gender etc... I'm sure your little girl will be fine. Thinking of you! Ps for peace of mind, though it does cost a small fortune in the Uk, there is always the Harmony test.

[I Love Ladybugs]

I love ladybugs, from my research the chamces of the baby having downs from one isolated soft marker are very remote. I should expect even more remote than the 3% you were given. That number was probably based on babies with downs who had the kidney issue BUT in all likelihood had a multitude of other markers!! It's horrid having the sickening worry. As parents the only thing that truly matters is that our children are happy and healthy. To consider they won't be is not something we allow ourselves which is why we feel the freedom to think about gender etc... I'm sure your little girl will be fine. Thinking of you! Ps for peace of mind, though it does cost a small fortune in the Uk, there is always the Harmony test.

How are you holding up? Are you doing the Harmony test? It is $800 here..different name, but opting out as it doesn't change the outcome. I will know a little later than sooner, but I love this baby all the same. I need to be home to hold my other two a little closer!! 500 miles is far away...and 2 days feels like forever!! Lol, I realize how great the odds are for a healthy baby born in Dec. and need to look at that.

[thehappypixi]

Ah Bug! I can't imagine how mixed you are feeling, everything crossed for her xxxx

[Mathilde]

Bugs: I feel like taking your back sac, giving you an energy bar and walking up that hill with you! You will get there and all will be fine;)
Rainbow: I am totally with you, am going to speak w midwife.
Afm: told my mom and grandparents, they are happy, no bump, no kicking due to my placenta being in front.

[myrainbowgirl]

Ladybugs - So sorry that you aren't leaving this appointment with perfect peace in your heart. It must be so scary to hear that your sweet baby has medical issues...sounds to me, however, that the issues are fixable (or are livable). That is wonderful news! I'm so sorry about the concern about a chromosomal abnormality...but like someone else said, the chances are OVERWHELMING that she has perfect chromosomes! Try to rest in that. Prayer is a miracle worker, too...will continue to do so for your little ladybug. I am so happy to hear that she's a she! Congrats! (And BIG HUGS for all you are going through right now!)

Mathilde - Yeah, considering bringing it up to my doc, but thinking I'll wait till I hear gender for sure. My placenta is anterior, too. Bummer! It was with DS2 as well, and I really didn't feel strong movement till 18 weeks. Not excited about that this time either. :( Glad your parents are happy! Mine will find out when we get our MaterniT21 results next week. When is your anatomy scan?

[Emily]

Iloveladybugs massive congratulations on your girl. we are all concerned for you and hoping that everything turns out OK but as someone else said, lets not forget your fantastic ladybug is pink!

I am so sorry that you are going through all of this. Like the other ladies have said, 97% is a very high chance of no chromosomal abnormality. Doctors like to cover themselves just in case and 3% sounds like this sort of situation. Fingers and everything else crossed for you.

Myrainbowgirl, i know exactly what you mean! Are we all totally bonkers trying for another child when our existing ones drive us up the wall? Probably! School holiday are the worst - i know as i have had school holidays is a new country where we know almost nobody, there are very few things to do and most if the boys' toys are still being shipped. See how you feel when September comes and if you are still feeling down i would seek advice if I were you. There is no stigma to depression and you are being a good mum by keeping on top of it.

As for feeling guilty about counting down the days - don't! I would have had a tally tattooed on my arm to keep me sane if i wasn't worried about the needles here:) Last year some of the mums at my sons school had a girls night out to celebrate the end if the summer holidays so it Isn't just you it is truly world wide. We all love our kids but sometimes we need a break and they need structure and stimulation that is hard to do for months at a time at home.

[2lovelyboys]

Ladybugs, big hugs!! I'm sorry you didn't get all the news you wanted but 3% really is small, 97% is great odds! I know u are aware of this but please keep your chin up!
Congratulations on your little lady, what wonderful news! X

Rainbow girl, I'm sorry you are having a bad time! Your not the only one counting down days of the school holidays, I have friends doing the same! Please don't feel bad for it, we all need our space sometimes. I didn't send DS1 to nursery yesterday afternoon as he was poorly and I was disappointed as the afternoons he is at nursery it's like my respite, I can nap with DS2 etc doesn't make us bad mums only human!

[GeCon]

Ladybug, I am sorry the appointment didn't give you complete peace of mind and I fully understand your remaining concerns, but your little girl's kidney/bladder issues sound fixable and as for the 3%...

I agree with the other girls, I am a glass half full rather than empty type of person and a 97% chance of all being well is a very good chance. Just try to think of that at times when things get on top of you.

Of course I cannot not congratulate you on your little ladybug. I am sure she will be perfect in every way. I have finally updated the 1st post. Now, we have one :ttcgirl: in December, I bet we will get one in January too, which can really only be Emily. ;)

[GeCon]

In other news: Looking forward to the next week and a half as OH is off work and we'll go away for a bit.

Also, have felt the baby move around a lot last night. It's such a great feeling. It automatically makes you smile, but no-one other than you knows why. Not that anyone was still awake at 1am. :)

[Tree]

How are you holding up? Are you doing the Harmony test? It is $800 here..different name, but opting out as it doesn't change the outcome. I will know a little later than sooner, but I love this baby all the same. I need to be home to hold my other two a little closer!! 500 miles is far away...and 2 days feels like forever!! Lol, I realize how great the odds are for a healthy baby born in Dec. and need to look at that.

If we could afford it we would do it. Our little girl has a mild echogenic bowel which is also a soft marker for downs. It can also be an indicator or cystic fibrosis or a virus, but I've been tested for those and the results were good. I was told as an isolated marker not to worry, but like yourself find it pretty hard not to. Most of the time I am fine but then the fear creeps in and gets the better of me. Apparently I can take some comfort from the fact it's mild, and there has been some suggestion that it could be the result of the baby swallowing blood. I had a tiny bit of spotting very early on... I personally think it was too long ago to be that. Unless there was another bleed I didn't know about. As odd as it sounds I hope that's the case as its harmless to the baby. Providing of course the bleeding was insignificant. Rather frustratingly there isn't much on people's experience with echogenic bowels. But in my research I stumbled across kidneys many times and the outcomes were overwhelmingly good.

[Emily]

lady[/COLOR]bug. I am sure she will be perfect in every way. I have finally updated the 1st post. Now, we have one :ttcgirl: in December, I bet we will get one in January too, which can really only be Emily. ;)

That would make me sooooooo happy. There is NO way we will have another as we are old and probably not patient enough for three as it is! I go through days of being convinced it is a girl and then others when I know it wont be and feel stupid for getting my hopes up.

My stomach muscles have separated completely already so i am a bit concerned about having severe diastasis recti - i had it mildly after DS2. Has anyone else had this problem and what did you do about it?

[I Love Ladybugs]

Mathilde...even my friend was a little shocked that I took the city bus and found the place as easily as I did. Now to repeat that today....
Can you feel the kicks side to side...I don't know if that makes sense, but with DS2, I must have had the best anterior placenta out there, because I only felt good kicks at 23 weeks, but wiggles from 13 weeks on. I hope your sweet baby starts moving soon...makes up for the m/s!

Myrainbowgirl...I know how strong prayer is and also a good night's sleep in keeping one's spirits up :) I will most likely have concerns for this pregnancy, but I am reminded to enjoy one day at a time and live in the moment, esp. with such a wiggly baby. I am getting kicked nice and often...normally, that would sound mean, but baby kicks are heavenly!!!! I hope that your mind can be at ease on the gender of your baby...for the 4 weeks I was under the spell of boy, I had been coming to terms with a family of 3 boys. I know that you must be an awesome mommy with your wee men already, any girl who likes rainbows is!!!

Emily...the overwhelming number is 97...the underwhelming one is 3....I need to get that straight!! My biggest goal right now is to spend a little time each day in being grateful, in the moment...ok, more than just a little time...I want it to be a part of me that is joyful in all things. So when do I get to stalk you for your scan?????

Happypixi...so when is your next sneaky scan??? You are a quarter through this pregnancy....that is wonderful!!!!!

Gecon....Thanks again for the sweet congrats, I know it must be painful updating mine while you heard blue. Five weeks ago, I felt the same emotions and just want you to know that I send you hugs and congrats!!! My DS2 is my most amazing gift....it took me some time to "get" that, but he lights up my world. Being gone from him these last few days has been tough...I cried last night over that too. And it is only a short time away.... Back to you though...stroller/pram shopping is such a good thing to do, we bought a sit and stand back in the day and I am so happy for it still. Of course, I never thought it would ever see a third child :)

2lovely....thank-you...like I said to Gecon about the pink/blue and turmoil in hearing it for others, I know that you are going to be one lovely mommy who is fit!!!! You are going to melt away what baby fat you get for sure...running is such a good thing!!!!

Tree...I have to look at the one factor only....and the low number and let my fears disappear. I want to enjoy this pregnancy as it is most likely the last in all situations, poor or good health for this girl, and I don't want to rob myself like I did with DS2 about gender and the joy of the 2nd half of pregnancy. I hope that come Dec. we both have great outcomes and can sleep easier for at least one night before the really tiring newborn nights!!!

Meeks...I have been thinking of what you said....and I appreciate your strength and support yesterday and your spin on it all!!! I hope that you are sleeping well right now and have a fantastic day ahead!

Thank-you all for your support, love and prayers!!!

[Emily]

Oh tree i am sorry you have all this worry too. Like you say there are other explanations and the docs are just covering all the bases. Hugs and fingers crossed for you.

My scan should be around the 26 th of August but the incompetent receptionist has not confirmed as she said she would. I am going there tomorrow for DS2s last emergency rabies shot so I will stand there till i get an appointment or if she still cannot give me and answer i might march right and scan myself!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Oh ladybugs, I am sorry there are still issues with one of her kidneys. My best friend had an operation on one of his kidneys as a child and is super duper healthy now. Also the chance of chromosomal disorders is very tiny. 3% is a tiny number in the scheme of things. She will be just perfect.

And yes, I have to congratulate you on your little girl although I'm sorry it's not in better circumstances (as sure the health concerns are a bug worry). I am praying for you all).

[Waiting4Daisy]

Tree praying for your bubba too x

[Tree]

Had follow up scan and the bowel is no longer bright!!! So the associated risk no longer exists. I'm soooo relieved. Just need to let in sink in, believe everything will be alright and start getting excited about my little girl!
One of the things I've thought about so much lately is how irrespective of markers soft or hard there is no way to be certain that everything will be alright. The possibility of there being a problem Is something that as Mummy's we try to ignore for our sanity but is much harder to do when your risk is made 'higher'. The simple fact is that none of us are immune from that fear should we let it in (or indeed have it imposed on us), none of us are guaranteed perfect healthy babies. And statistics are just that. The one statistic worth remembering however is that whether we are confronted with possible risks or not, the most likely scenario is that these babies will be just fine. Perfect in fact!

[thehappypixi]

Ah Tree that's great news!

[I Love Ladybugs]

Thank-you as well for your prayers Waiting for Daisy!! I do feel better today and am just trying my best to take it one day at a time...the shopping today was minimal...my hubby gave me free reign to spend what I wanted and I did not burn through too much of our savings!!! Will have to take some pix when I get home...it did provide a distraction about the 3%

Tree....that is awesome news!!!!

[Tree]

Yes take pics!! Want to see. I've got a few girlie bits but not much...

[meeks32]

Tree thats fantastic news, what a relief, let it sink in slowly and appreciate what you can from now on.

Ladybugs glad you found a small distraction, cant wait to see what you got. I am hoping your next scans go as well as Tree's have and that 3% disappears to nothing. xx

[myrainbowgirl]

Tree - Great news!!

Ladybugs - Wow, you have such self-control! Looking forward to seeing what you bought. So fun!

AFM - Had a 12-week appt. today...heard baby's little heartbeat (163) for the first time! I've only seen it on a screen before. Such a special sound! All appears well. :) I've seen lots of rainbows lately...feeling encouraged!

[Emily]

Yeay Tree that is fantastic.

What fun ladybugs - i cannot wait to go shopping when i finally know what i am having.

Myrainbowgirl how exciting:)

[Mathilde]

Tree: fantastic news!
Bugs: ditto!
All: enjoy shopping pink do tonnes;)

Afm: told mil yesterday, she was nice about it as well:) so then all that remains is my boss(..) and my sister(on holidays now, been ttc for 3years...)
Am fluctuating around my emotions, everyone says it will be great, I need to have him before some GD goes away. Have some mild panic attacks about the fact and some times some mild happy feelings..
Have a nice day! Lovely weather here today, hope yours is good too:)
Mathilde

[myrainbowgirl]

Mathilde - At what gestation were you when they told you boy? I really, really don't think you're out yet! Until you see the real thing at 20 weeks, you still have a chance. I have seen online some very boyish nubs that were actually girls!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Saw my little pikachu. Measuring 13.5 and looking like a bit of an angle on nub so welcome baby boy no 4. My sis thought boy too. Bit gutted but I'll get over it.

[Tree]

Saw my little pikachu. Measuring 13.5 and looking like a bit of an angle on nub so welcome baby boy no 4. My sis thought boy too. Bit gutted but I'll get over it.

Have you got a pic?

[myrainbowgirl]

Waiting4Daisy - A "bit" of an angle doesn't necessarily mean boy...needs to be over 30 degrees. Can you post a pic? If it actually is a boy, will you try for #5? In my low moments, and I have (insanely) thought about it! In my better moments, pretty sure we're done, regardless. The crazy thing is, DH is open. I kinda wish he wasn't, that way, I wouldn't even have those thoughts! Pretty sure I couldn't handle another, but just wondering if you have thought about it!

Ok, question on boobs...any of you not have major boob growth?? Mine have, but they're really not huge at all. They've never gotten huge during pregnancy before, but of course, I have all boys. I was still bf Ds3 when I got pg, and was soooo skinny that when my milk dried up, they were even SMALLER. Now, they're bigger, no question, but they just aren't that big. Starting to wonder if it's a boy sign. My regular size is a sad little A cup, so I have never, ever had big boobs. Maybe those of you with big boobs already had bigger ones?? Aaahh, trying not to overanalyze. Have looked this up before, and it seems to be different for everyone...sometimes women get huge with boys, too, sometimes not so much with girls (and of course vice versa). But, just wondering what your personal experiences were! I read somewhere that a baby boy's testosterone production can somewhat inhibit breast growth...theoretically, that would have to be after they begin to produce testosterone, which I read was about 11 weeks?? Thoughts, anyone?

[Mathilde]

I know, but those balls and that sticky uppy thing can't be anything else.. Although the last pic is very girly. I believe I would shoot myself if I believed girl and then found out boy, almost not kidding. You are super kind! I really wish we all could meet up one day in the future. Just think: Europe, Australia, Asia or the us!! Or we could visit, do Scandinavia one year(me), Australia, us.. So on;) still have hope though less than 7%;) how are you holding up? I think us to are the sadest cases, don't you?:)

[Mathilde]

Boobs biggish but what do I know about the difference I only make blue;) gestation was 12+2.. Am also hung up on no 4, will only do ht though!no more swaying and praying, now I'm going back to hardcore money talks;)

[Waiting4Daisy]

Only going to post pic here as can't bare to hear all the boy guesses in the gender scan determination forum. A few of my ig pals took a look and said they think it's 50/50 and one actually leans girl but I'm not sure. I'd be shocked to hear girl. I'll just work out how to post a pic. I'm clinging to the fact it is not that angled for the gestation

[Waiting4Daisy]

Pikachu 13+513134

[Waiting4Daisy]

We have always said probably five regardless. But if this one is a girl I dunno. Not likely though!!!

[Mathilde]

Well, I think the baby looks like mine on my bottom pic(look at Devastated-post on us forum) so we are both still in limbo, though I am the more so due to my two first photoes! This is the time to crank up on the praying:) absolutely beautifull anyway!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Thanks hun, mine is more angled than yours. I thought your bottom pic looked girly. We will not be finding out though I am fairly sure mine is another wee blue bundle.

[Mathilde]

But absolutely not more angled than mine on my first two..:) quarreling about who's the most boy lol!!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Lol Mathilde hope you get a surprise x

[Mathilde]

So do I, a big supprize for all of us, we could rename our group to "ttc pink-turned blue-turned back to pink"

[meeks32]

Mathilde and Waiting I think both your nubs are so unclear they could go either way. I really really do. Unless you saw something on screen that I didn't see in the pics. Also, I don't personally believe nub theory is as effective as the studies say it is, despite trying to convince myself it is when it suited me. I definitely don't take anything for sure until the 20w scan, or a private gender one from 16 onwards.

Mathilde yours was completely different in each shot, and Waiting I dont know for sure that the nub is captured all that well there.

[myrainbowgirl]

Waiting4Daisy - I agree with Meeks...not sure I see the nub? Is it that straight bright white line up higher? It's a bit angled, but I don't think nubs look like that! Or, looking below that I see what almost looks like a backwards forked nub...so don't think that's it, either! You are sooo not out of the game! And yay for #5! How old are you, do you mind me asking? I am 36, so another is really questionable for that reason, not just the "I don't think I can handle another", ya know? Well, congrats on that beautiful little one!!

Mathilde - I looked back at your pics and really didn't see balls and penis. The last one was SO girly! So I really think you're not out, either! Yes, I was having a very rough time...Saturday and Sunday were rough, but have been feeling much better since. Part of it has been my other boys' behavior, and just feeling like how can I handle another?? But, feeling encouraged since. Will still be blown away if I hear girl!

And yes, it would be so fun to all meet up! Have a feeling we'd get along beautifully! :)

[Tree]

Have to agree with the girls, I don't think either of your 'nub' shots are conclusive. I think nub shots can be reliable BUT only if they are clear!!! I think you are both in the same position as you were before you had your scans.... Sorry!!

[Emily]

Mathilde and Waiting I think both your nubs are so unclear they could go either way. I really really do. Unless you saw something on screen that I didn't see in the pics. Also, I don't personally believe nub theory is as effective as the studies say it is, despite trying to convince myself it is when it suited me. I definitely don't take anything for sure until the 20w scan, or a private gender one from 16 onwards.

Mathilde yours was completely different in each shot, and Waiting I dont know for sure that the nub is captured all that well there.

Yep what she said^^

My doc was very up on the nub theory and she said it can easily change and often does. So there you have it straight from the horse's mouth. She siad that inexperienced techs can get it wrong for both genders and that experienced ones can be fooled into thinking that boys are girls if the nub is late to angle up. She may have been trying to cover herself of course but i think what she said makes sense. So basically if we were patient enough to get a 13 week nub shot with an experienced tech we would have a much higher chance of being sure. The 20 week scan is much more reliable though.

Talking of which, the receptionist at the clinic did not call me back and when I phoned to ask about it she said it was because i could not have a scan till 26 weeks as their only tech who was not away was booked up. I trued to be firm but polite although i think the polite bit may have slipped at points! I should hear today.

There is another place that I can d my scan so if the clinic cannot sort it out I will walk.

[meeks32]

I would totally be walking! 26 weeks!!! Is that even on for an anatomy scan? That's crazy!

Are there any private ones? Where you can just pay?

[Waiting4Daisy]

Thanks girls. My old ig friends have said same thing, nub either not fully captured or not captured at all and one actually zoomed right in and said the line I thought was nub is disconnected from the body. So feeling more positive but still think its probably a boy lol.

Rainbow I'm 27, so luckily still have more time tho I have always said I don't want babies after I'm 30. Tho that could change!!!

[myrainbowgirl]

Emily - OMG, 26 weeks! I am seeing a specialist for my anatomy ultrasound (since they did my NT scan & MaterniT21), and they do theirs at 18 weeks. I think I've heard before that the baby is really too big much past 20 weeks. Yes, I would walk!

Waiting4Daisy - Oh, yes, you have time for another! Good for you! And yes, not really seeing a nub. Woohoo!

AFM - Emotionally feeling a lot better. That was a rough couple of days. I think I'm just having faith that there's still a chance...but honestly, I will be shocked if it's a girl! That would be an amazing surprise! (But I truly believe that God is fully capable!)

[Emily]

Thanks girls. My old ig friends have said same thing, nub either not fully captured or not captured at all and one actually zoomed right in and said the line I thought was nub is disconnected from the body. So feeling more positive but still think its probably a boy lol.

Rainbow I'm 27, so luckily still have more time tho I have always said I don't want babies after I'm 30. Tho that could change!!!

Ah to be 27 again! I did not even start thinking about kids till 30.

I think the last date the anatomy scan is worth doing is 22 weeks so I will def go somewhere else if they cannot do it sooner. Meeks this is private! There are very few providers here and evener fewer that speak english.

[2lovelyboys]

Emily, 26 weeks? What?! That's ridiculous! Think they have messed you around enough!

Mathilde, waiting, it's still soooooo early. I have my fingers and toes crossed for you both!

Rainbowgirl, found your boob question interesting, I was wondering something similar myself. My boobs grew by a couple of cup sizes with DS1&2 but this time they are huge (!!) they are getting to big for my maternity bras, never had big boobs before, not sure what to do with them :) oh and I'm expecting DS3

[meeks32]

Ah to be 27 again! I did not even start thinking about kids till 30.

I think the last date the anatomy scan is worth doing is 22 weeks so I will def go somewhere else if they cannot do it sooner. Meeks this is private! There are very few providers here and evener fewer that speak english.

How about you book the other place for 22 weeks, and keep trying this place until then. That way if they give you one, you can cancel the other place. If not, you have a backup booked in.

[bunnywabbit]

Hi all, just dropping in quickly. Not much to report this end - at 8DPO. Too early to tell I guess but not really feeling any differently to normal apart from a little bit of a sore twinge in the side of my breasts every so often. Not really thinking this is my month. Has O'd a couple of times in my sleep this cycle, so hoping if this is my month it won't count against me!

Congrats to all BFPs and GL to those still TTC or waiting to find out LO's gender xxx

[Emily]

How about you book the other place for 22 weeks, and keep trying this place until then. That way if they give you one, you can cancel the other place. If not, you have a backup booked in.

I think I have one booked for this monday!!!!!!! Whoop whoop. i spoke to someone else at the clinic and just asked for an appointment without saying when for. They have to check with the doctor that it is OK but I think I am in!

[myrainbowgirl]

2lovelyboys - Very interesting about boobs. So weird that they grow so differently with each pg! You are lucky to get huge boobs...oh, my poor little tiny mosquito bites. LOL!!

Emily - Woohoo!!! Yay for Monday...can't wait to hear! Are you AMA, by the way? Just curious.

Bunnywabbit - Sore on the side of the boobs is a good sign! GL, and keep us posted!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Thanks all. I think we are back on team green train but I am
Thinking boy for myself now.

[crazyladyneedsababy]

hey ladies to you mind if I join you, ive just had my first attempt at ttc after swaying pink, now in the dreaded 2ww xxx

[bunnywabbit]

Bunnywabbit - Sore on the side of the boobs is a good sign! GL, and keep us posted!

Thanks myrainbowgirl. I'm hoping so. Had it the last couple of cycles but was either all in my head or early AF symptoms. Thinking I'm going to almost ignore all 'symptoms' and just let the frer tell me.

[bunnywabbit]

hey ladies to you mind if I join you, ive just had my first attempt at ttc after swaying pink, now in the dreaded 2ww xxx

Hi crazyladyneedsababy! Hope you get your BFP x

[meeks32]

Welcome crazyladyneedsababy, good luck for all those ttc this cycle!

[crazyladyneedsababy]

Thanks ladies, yay now 2 dpo :rofl: can I test yet? Lol xxx

[myrainbowgirl]

Crazylady - Welcome!! Haha, test when you like! :)

AFM - I got my MaterniT21 results. It's a boy. The good news is, his chromosomes are healthy, so obviously, I am happy about that. Not that I was shocked to hear boy, I wasn't. I am still devastated, though. I really, truly believed that God had promised me a daughter. Those of you who believe, may understand...those of you who don't, well, I completely understand you thinking, "Why in the world would you think something so crazy??" Because it does seem crazy. Especially now. But, there is some history there in what I believe was God's promise to me...started before I got pg with DS3. I had a miscarriage after 8 months of trying...shortly after, I saw a very vivid rainbow. Immediately felt in my heart that God was communicating with me that I wasn't going to have another miscarriage. I can't explain it...I just knew. Saw another very vivid rainbow a few days later. Again, immediately felt that God was saying I was going to get pg very soon. Saw another one a few days after that...felt that God was saying I would have a girl. The first two came true...got pg the next cycle, didn't have a miscarriage. The third one, obviously did not. Fast forward to when we started considering TTC#4. Started seeing lots of rainbows. Began to think...ok, I think maybe now we're going to have a daughter. If you've read my sway, you'll see all the other rainbow connections (saw one on conception day!), including the name we had picked for a girl...it seemed to really be God speaking to me. So, truth be told, I didn't even consider the fact that we could have another boy, until AFTER we were pg! I even bought nice pink girly bedding before I knew we were pg. So, yeah, that's why I'm devastated. I just don't understand how I could have made all that up in my head.

I had told DH about all the rainbow stuff from the very beginning, so he was well aware of it. Prayed with me that this would be a girl, etc., etc. We had a good, long talk tonight about it all. He, amazingly, fully believes that I am not crazy. That we will have a daughter. Said he doesn't know how it will happen or when, but that it will happen. He basically said money is no object, because who is he to stand in the way of God fulfilling His promise to me? OMG, I just cannot believe that he is so open and willing. I had mentioned to him before that I would not do this without a guarantee...and I won't. Too much heartache. So that leaves either adoption or HT. I am open to both. Of course, as I mentioned before, I don't know how in the world I'm going to handle 4 boys, so having a 5th child is beyond my realm of comprehension! But anyway, I married an amazing man, is all I can say. He even said that he thinks we should keep the pink bedding! I am trying to wrap my head around it all.

Ok. Enough talking about myself. At least now I know. And I am so happy that he's healthy. I am crossing my fingers for all of you who don't know yet that you are blessed with your beautiful little girls! Can't wait to hear all the upcoming news!

[Emily]

2lovelyboys - Very interesting about boobs. So weird that they grow so differently with each pg! You are lucky to get huge boobs...oh, my poor little tiny mosquito bites. LOL!!

Emily - Woohoo!!! Yay for Monday...can't wait to hear! Are you AMA, by the way? Just curious.

Bunnywabbit - Sore on the side of the boobs is a good sign! GL, and keep us posted!


Sorry, being thick here what is AMA?

Welcome crazylady good luck!

Myrainbowgirl i have answered on another thread but congratulations on a healthy boy. You will get excited soon I promise.

[crazyladyneedsababy]

rainbow, congratulations on your healthy boy. Im so sorry it wasn't your rainbow girl. xxxx

[bunnywabbit]

I'm sorry you didn't hear pink my rainbowgirl. I can understand completely how difficult this is for you after having all your hopes on a daughter. How are you today? DH sounds like a saint. How has taken the news? We're all here for you... :hugs:

[I Love Ladybugs]

Oh...myRainbowgirl...I just cried reading your entry. Your hubby sounds amazing...and I have to believe that you have not only the strength for 4 boys, but also a wonderful daughter who will join your family. I really wanted your rainbow promise to the this baby for you....he is going to be so special. Lots of hugs and congrats too!

[2lovelyboys]

Crazylady, welcome and good luck!

Rainbow girl! Your certainly not crazy! I'm sorry you didn't get the news you wanted, it is sooooo hard to hear! I hope that with time it will get easier! Your DH sounds fabulous! There is no way mine would consider HT or adoption (although I would consider both), he believes in what will be will be ((((sigh))))

[myrainbowgirl]

Sorry, being thick here what is AMA?

Welcome crazylady good luck!

Myrainbowgirl i have answered on another thread but congratulations on a healthy boy. You will get excited soon I promise.

AMA = Advanced Maternal Age. :) And thank you for your encouragement! I really think you're going to hear pink on Monday! GL!!

[myrainbowgirl]

And thank you to all you lovely ladies for your kind words and encouragement. I'm still sad today, but definitely feeling much better. And yes, DH is amazing! I don't know if I really want a DD so bad as to have #5, but knowing it's an option is such a comfort! We'll see how #4 goes. Heehee. At the same time, who am I to stand in the way of God's promise, ya know?? We'll see in time. :)

Hope you all have an amazing weekend!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Oh rainbow I'm sorry hun. Brill news that he is perfectly healthy. I truly think my baby is a boy too so I will be joining you in the four boy club.

Your husband sounds amazing. How lovely he is on board with making your dream of a daughter happen no matter what. Mine is too but we wouldn't have the means to do ht and hubby doesn't want to adopt so it would have to be our natural little girl.

Four boys is so special. They will be amazing

[I Love Ladybugs]

Myrainbowgirl...you are so inspiring and if you do have five, I have no doubt that you will be given the ability to enjoy all five!

[myrainbowgirl]

Myrainbowgirl...you are so inspiring and if you do have five, I have no doubt that you will be given the ability to enjoy all five!

Wasn't I saying the same thing about you a little while back?? ;) I appreciate your encouragement so much, and am so happy you got your DD! (Still praying for her, btw!)

Waiting4Daisy - Thanks so much. It will be so nice to have already swayed when you try again! Do you think you'll sway girl, even if #4 is a girl, too? That would be fun, sisters! I just can't imagine swaying again, knowing clearly there's no guarantee. I think the only natural route I am not opposed to is not trying, just letting it happen. But, it's the same risk. I mean, how likely after 4 boys is it for me to naturally conceive a girl?? But, I also think that my obsessive nature in all my TTCing was part of my problem. It's scary for me to even take that chance, though! Just need to think more and look into options, and all that stuff. Still not sold that I want another!

[Waiting4Daisy]

Rainbow I would rather have five boys than 4 boys I think. My feeling is that if by some miracle this baby is a girl I would like to have a fifth because I would really like to have another baby like my first pregnancy where I would genuinely not care about gender at all. I'm not sure of my hubby would go for another if this was a girl. But pretty sure it's a boy!

[I Love Ladybugs]

Myrainbowgirl....my baby and I so appreciate all the prayers!! I have been feeling more positive about the 97 vs the 3 and am living in faith that she will arrive perfectly healthy. If you do chose to have another wee munchkin, you will be given the energy at that time!!!

[myrainbowgirl]

Rainbow I would rather have five boys than 4 boys I think. My feeling is that if by some miracle this baby is a girl I would like to have a fifth because I would really like to have another baby like my first pregnancy where I would genuinely not care about gender at all. I'm not sure of my hubby would go for another if this was a girl. But pretty sure it's a boy!

So if this is another boy, you won't sway for your fifth? That's so cool. I wish I had your attitude! I am so blown away by 4 boys, I just cannot imagine 5. With your 3 boys, do you feel like your house is chaos? I sometimes do. I am the type who likes a clean house, order, etc., and 3 little boys is a recipe for the opposite! And of course, now we know it will be 4 boys. I am praying that God gives me strength beyond my own to handle the craziness. :) I know He wouldn't give me what I couldn't handle, so I obviously will be able to deal. Haha. Just hard to imagine! It's funny, though, I don't know why I automatically assume that if I had a girl she'd be perfectly behaved, and neat and clean and never get into things or make messes. She'd only have her brothers as role models, so I bet she'd be right in the middle, the biggest duck in the puddle! ;)

[myrainbowgirl]

Myrainbowgirl....my baby and I so appreciate all the prayers!! I have been feeling more positive about the 97 vs the 3 and am living in faith that she will arrive perfectly healthy. If you do chose to have another wee munchkin, you will be given the energy at that time!!!

You're absolutely welcome, of course! So glad to hear you're feeling better, you have every right to!

And yes, you are right, if we decide to have a fifth, God will give me the strength then. Aaah, so much to think about! Right now I guess I should focus on bonding with this little boy, as I mentioned before, really truly believed he would be a she. So this is such a giant shift in my thinking! Glad I have 6 more months to get there. :)

[Emily]

So ladies my scan has been confirmed for tomorrow. It is a 4 D scan which someone said is like 3D but in video. Is that OK for gender? i will be almost 21 weeks. I am excited but nervous too.

Dh has to rush off back to work straight afterwards which is far from ideal:( i would prefer that to waiting in limbo for a scan that might never materialise though.

[Waiting4Daisy]

Emily at your gestation I think they'd still be able to see gender ok. How exciting, can't wait to hear!!!

Rainbow I am not a tidy person at all so I am
Ok with the chaos and probably embrace it. My oldest son is your typical stereotype girl personality, neat and quiet and sensitive. My littler boys are mental!!! But also totally adorable.

Ladybugs still praying for you and your previous wee ladybug. I know she will be perfect.

[meeks32]

I had a really frustrating dream last night. I dreamt it was my scan at 15 weeks (still a week away) and that the lady went for a potty shot and it was clear clear girl. Not one boy bit in sight.
Now of course this next 9 days is going to go SO slowly because I just really need to know. I feel like now my hope for a girl is up, and it will hurt even more if they say boy. More than when I expected boy. Does that make sense?

Anyone have dreams about their ultrasound that were right or wrong?

[Tree]

I had a dream the scan showed a girl, and it did!! Really hope your dream comes true Meeks!

[TTCPink]

Meeks, I had ultrasound dreams for each of my boys the night before the scan. I felt in my heart that I *really* found out when I had the dream each time. The first time I questioned the dream, but with DS2 I absolutely felt like I knew before the scan because of the dream. They both were right...BOYS! I actually felt more prepared with the news for DS2 because of the dream. I hope your dream is right!! :hug2: I was just asking on the other thread when your next scan was and then I just saw this. I hope the next nine days go by quickly!!

[TTCPink]

Also when I was pregnant with DS1 I had a dream that I was holding him and in the dream i was looking at him and commenting about his beautiful full lips. My heart was melting when I saw him the first time in my dream, and I had the exact same feeling the first time I held him in real life. He was born with the same little face and full lips that I saw in my dream. It was eerie but it was an amazing feeling like I had already met him before!

[2lovelyboys]

Emily, what time is your scan tomorrow? Exciting! Will be stalking.......

Ladybugs, so glad to hear you are feeling optimistic. I am sure she will be a very happy and healthy ladybug :)

Rainbow girl, it may be your organising personality that will make trying for no5 a possibility! I have no doubt that when DS4 arrives you will have the strength, determination and energy needed to cope :)

Meeks, dreams an be insightful! I believe that you are growing your DD and in 9 days you will get to see her! :)

[I Love Ladybugs]

Emily....add me to the list of stalkers! I hope that they did not bail on your scan time and you are currently finding out who is hiding in your belly!!!!

[Emily]

Scan confirmed for this afternoon. :nails::nails: it really isn't healthy to want something this much. That is the longest 8.5 hrs ever.

I only dreamt about the shopping i was going to get DH to when he goes back to the Uk on business. Damn you witch's instinct how dare you leave me now?

[I Love Ladybugs]

Scan confirmed for this afternoon. :nails::nails: it really isn't healthy to want something this much. That is the longest 8.5 hrs ever.

I only dreamt about the shopping i was going to get DH to when he goes back to the Uk on business. Damn you witch's instinct how dare you leave me now?

I posted my guess about time of appt on the other thread...lol, I guess if I have my waking up in the middle of the night, I will be able to check on you!! Are you able to shop at all there? Ebay? Online it? Although I have to say, it is nice to physically feel the weight of the clothes/quality in person.

[Emily]

They have loads of shops here selling lovely stuff as Vietnam is a huge textiles producer - gap etc i will stick to M&S for bodies though as i know they wash well. We can get small parcels delivered here and DH is going back to the Uk in Oct for a week so will get a suitcase of stuff from boots etc sent to my sisters house for him to bring back :)

DS1 was soooo horrid this weekend I thought I was going to cry with frustration. Had to keep reminding me of what my amazing friend says "when they are being impossible to love they usually need our love more than ever". She is a Mum of three boys so she knows her stuff!

[Tree]

Emily Good Luck for your scan today!

[thehappypixi]

Good luck Emily! Thinking of you xx

[meeks32]

Scan confirmed for this afternoon. :nails::nails: it really isn't healthy to want something this much. That is the longest 8.5 hrs ever.

I only dreamt about the shopping i was going to get DH to when he goes back to the Uk on business. Damn you witch's instinct how dare you leave me now?

1.5hrs to go!! wooohoo

lol to the dream. Not useful at all!!

[meeks32]

They have loads of shops here selling lovely stuff as Vietnam is a huge textiles producer - gap etc i will stick to M&S for bodies though as i know they wash well. We can get small parcels delivered here and DH is going back to the Uk in Oct for a week so will get a suitcase of stuff from boots etc sent to my sisters house for him to bring back :)

DS1 was soooo horrid this weekend I thought I was going to cry with frustration. Had to keep reminding me of what my amazing friend says "when they are being impossible to love they usually need our love more than ever". She is a Mum of three boys so she knows her stuff!

Omg my ds1 has been HORRIBLE lately too, like seriously taking up every second and causing me so much frustration. After a few days of him being good randomly I had hoped it was over. Sadly no. Your sister is so right though!!!

[Mathilde]

Stalking!
Afm, told my boss, he said congratulations, but then became quiet.. Very awkward..

[I Love Ladybugs]

Stalking!
Afm, told my boss, he said congratulations, but then became quiet.. Very awkward..

I woke up again in the middle of the night...can't go back to sleep...and lol, my boss had the same reaction!!!!

[meeks32]

Stalking!
Afm, told my boss, he said congratulations, but then became quiet.. Very awkward..

oh yes, the meaningful silence following a workplace pregnancy announcement! Its killer! My boss with ds2 said "oh... congratulations... so does this still mean you can work the summer?" (busy time). She didnt even try to pretend to be excited for me for 5 mins!

[2lovelyboys]

I think employers just see your happy announcement in terms of work load! Kinda puts things into perspective really!

Emily still stalking ...........

[Mathilde]

Stalking!
Afm, told my boss, he said congratulations, but then became quiet.. Very awkward..

[Emily]

Ladies it is a girl!

i am absolutely over the moon. Will post pics when I can. The tech seemed sure but I will have to watch the DVD a million times to be sure. I saw nothing that looked even vaguely like male or female parts but i am sure she wouldn't just make it up for fun.

[meeks32]

EMILY!!!???

[2lovelyboys]

Emily, wow, huge congratulations! All that hard work and waiting was certainly worth it! :) :cheerteam:

[I Love Ladybugs]

Emily...congrats!!! And have fun shopping!!!!!!

[Tree]

Yay Emily!!! Congratulations!!

[Mathilde]

Holy cr..! Super congratulations! Enjoy shopping!

[myrainbowgirl]

YAY!!!! Congratulations...so happy for you!

Mathilde - Boo on the awkwardness...how much time are you able to take off? I quit my job back in May, so no worries here!

Meeks - Sorry you were frustrated by your dream...only a little while longer till you find out!! Surely the dream was a good sign. :)

AFM - Plan to tell my parents this week (they don't even know I'm pg), and will also be telling gender with the friends who knew I would find out this week. Dreading it. Told my SIL last night at DS2's birthday party, and started crying. Ugh...it just came out. Once again, had been a tough, tough day with the boys. DH had to work, so to get everyone out of the house, we went to church and then out to lunch. OMG. It was awful. Even the baby was tough. Wishing so bad I could fast forward the next 2 weeks to when DS1 is in school...just soooooo over the summer. Had another cry with DH last night...he is just so understanding and supportive. Don't know what I'd do without him!! I am blessed!

Speaking of DH's...mommies who are having another boy, do you think DH's sperm has anything to do with your failed sways? I know Atomic swears up and down that all men have 50/50 sperm, but I'm really starting to wonder! Anybody out there have DH get an SA and see that it wasn't 50/50? I don't blame DH at all...it's certainly not his fault, but I'm just wondering if it played a role. If we were to try HT, I guess I would find out. Just curious about your thoughts on it all.

[thehappypixi]

Argh!! Congrats Emily!! So pleased for you :D

[Charlee]

Emily I knew it!!!!! I just did! LOL... I've been saying it for 2 months now, out of all us long termers I just knew you'd hear pink! And now of course I'm going to say the same for Meeks... you lucky ducks! I am so envious and sooooo happy for you all at once :)

CONGRATS!!!!!

[Charlee]

AFM, I have a doctor appt tomorrow and I might end up there today rather than tomorrow.... I've been spotting since last night :( called Dr this morning and she's worried as can be that my placenta might be detaching, which was the main concern after my terrible car accident. She said if it goes from sporting to bleeding to go straight to the ER. Spotting could be harmless, bleding is not. Baby is still active though which she says is a very reassuring sign. She also said that god forbid if my placenta is detaching, the survival rate of babies at this gestation is pretty good, especially because we have bone of the best NICU's in the country here at Sharp Mary Birch hospital. I am beyond worried of course... must one more thing to bring me sleepless nights :(

Sorry for the lack of personals... I am self consumed clearly :(

[Charlee]

Myrainbowgirl - CONGRATS on your healthy baby boy! I know it stings at first but you will be so in love when you finally get to meet him! As I've said about myself, God must think I'm one tough cookie to keep entrusting all these boys to me! LOL

Come to the opposites thread if you haven't already... I haven't been on here for a bit so I'm out of the loop :)

[Charlee]

YAY!!!! Congratulations...so happy for you!

Mathilde - Boo on the awkwardness...how much time are you able to take off? I quit my job back in May, so no worries here!

Meeks - Sorry you were frustrated by your dream...only a little while longer till you find out!! Surely the dream was a good sign. :)

AFM - Plan to tell my parents this week (they don't even know I'm pg), and will also be telling gender with the friends who knew I would find out this week. Dreading it. Told my SIL last night at DS2's birthday party, and started crying. Ugh...it just came out. Once again, had been a tough, tough day with the boys. DH had to work, so to get everyone out of the house, we went to church and then out to lunch. OMG. It was awful. Even the baby was tough. Wishing so bad I could fast forward the next 2 weeks to when DS1 is in school...just soooooo over the summer. Had another cry with DH last night...he is just so understanding and supportive. Don't know what I'd do without him!! I am blessed!

Speaking of DH's...mommies who are having another boy, do you think DH's sperm has anything to do with your failed sways? I know Atomic swears up and down that all men have 50/50 sperm, but I'm really starting to wonder! Anybody out there have DH get an SA and see that it wasn't 50/50? I don't blame DH at all...it's certainly not his fault, but I'm just wondering if it played a role. If we were to try HT, I guess I would find out. Just curious about your thoughts on it all.

We haven't had a SA but my little bit of medical knowledge mixed with gut instinct tells me that men do have 50/50 numbers... I have a friend IRL who just had her 6th baby , her 5th girl. And she had the first 3 girls with her first husband and 1 boy and 2 girls with her second husband... so clearly it's HER that's the girl maker, not the men.... kwim? BUT maybe some men have issues with their X sperm that makes it harder to fertilize an egg? I have no clue, just a thought.

[meeks32]

AFM, I have a doctor appt tomorrow and I might end up there today rather than tomorrow.... I've been spotting since last night :( called Dr this morning and she's worried as can be that my placenta might be detaching, which was the main concern after my terrible car accident. She said if it goes from sporting to bleeding to go straight to the ER. Spotting could be harmless, bleding is not. Baby is still active though which she says is a very reassuring sign. She also said that god forbid if my placenta is detaching, the survival rate of babies at this gestation is pretty good, especially because we have bone of the best NICU's in the country here at Sharp Mary Birch hospital. I am beyond worried of course... must one more thing to bring me sleepless nights :(

Sorry for the lack of personals... I am self consumed clearly :(

I replied in the opposites thread, but saw more detail here. How far along are you? I cant see signatures its very frustrating!

I am crossing everything for you, and you'll be on my mind all day. Stay in bed, get dh to stay home from work, do not move a muscle unless its to wee! Now is the time to be taken care of. I really hope its something simple like some old blood from the accident coming out, that's harmless. I'm so sorry you have this worry, its so hard to sleep when you are concerned for baby, and you are completely excused for thinking of yourself, anyone would be in your shoes.

xxx

[meeks32]

Emily I knew it!!!!! I just did! LOL... I've been saying it for 2 months now, out of all us long termers I just knew you'd hear pink! And now of course I'm going to say the same for Meeks... you lucky ducks! I am so envious and sooooo happy for you all at once :)

CONGRATS!!!!!

Thanks for saying that, but all I have is a girly EARLY 12w nub, I don't know if its a girl or boy yet at all. Even atomic said it was too early to tell, and I DID have a 11w boyish looking scan and blue result from intelligencer.

[myrainbowgirl]

Charlee - BIG HUGS to you!! Praying your spotting means nothing...and yes, babies at this age absolutely can survive! But will pray that he stays put as long as possible. And thanks for the congrats. Yes, I know time will heal, and right now I'm in the thick of it. :( I plan to join the opposites thread soon, think it's still just sinking in, ya know?

Meeks - I would totally go with the latest sign...your girly nub. Intelligender isn't accurate, and potty shots at that gestation are crap. So, girly nub it is! :)

AFM - Managed to hold it together today when a close friend came over for lunch. She knew I was supposed to find out soon, and of course she asked, so I told her. She was supportive and encouraging, so that was nice. We talked for a long time about how I'm feeling and everything that goes along with having another boy, and I didn't cry once! I was proud of myself. Progress!

[Niva]

Waiting4Daisy - A "bit" of an angle doesn't necessarily mean boy...needs to be over 30 degrees. Can you post a pic? If it actually is a boy, will you try for #5? In my low moments, and I have (insanely) thought about it! In my better moments, pretty sure we're done, regardless. The crazy thing is, DH is open. I kinda wish he wasn't, that way, I wouldn't even have those thoughts! Pretty sure I couldn't handle another, but just wondering if you have thought about it!

Ok, question on boobs...any of you not have major boob growth?? Mine have, but they're really not huge at all. They've never gotten huge during pregnancy before, but of course, I have all boys. I was still bf Ds3 when I got pg, and was soooo skinny that when my milk dried up, they were even SMALLER. Now, they're bigger, no question, but they just aren't that big. Starting to wonder if it's a boy sign. My regular size is a sad little A cup, so I have never, ever had big boobs. Maybe those of you with big boobs already had bigger ones?? Aaahh, trying not to overanalyze. Have looked this up before, and it seems to be different for everyone...sometimes women get huge with boys, too, sometimes not so much with girls (and of course vice versa). But, just wondering what your personal experiences were! I read somewhere that a baby boy's testosterone production can somewhat inhibit breast growth...theoretically, that would have to be after they begin to produce testosterone, which I read was about 11 weeks?? Thoughts, anyone?

What a good question -- my boobs have grown this pregnancy, but they never did during pregnancy with my DS until my milk came in, apart from the overall weight gain. And like you, I've always been small, and when I finished nursing DS, they shrunk even smaller (no fun!). Now I swear they are nearly as big as when I was nursing, and it isn't all from weight gain -- I've only gained 8 lbs so far. Interesting thoughts about the testosterone!

[Niva]

Crazylady - Welcome!! Haha, test when you like! :)

AFM - I got my MaterniT21 results. It's a boy. The good news is, his chromosomes are healthy, so obviously, I am happy about that. Not that I was shocked to hear boy, I wasn't. I am still devastated, though. I really, truly believed that God had promised me a daughter. Those of you who believe, may understand...those of you who don't, well, I completely understand you thinking, "Why in the world would you think something so crazy??" Because it does seem crazy. Especially now. But, there is some history there in what I believe was God's promise to me...started before I got pg with DS3. I had a miscarriage after 8 months of trying...shortly after, I saw a very vivid rainbow. Immediately felt in my heart that God was communicating with me that I wasn't going to have another miscarriage. I can't explain it...I just knew. Saw another very vivid rainbow a few days later. Again, immediately felt that God was saying I was going to get pg very soon. Saw another one a few days after that...felt that God was saying I would have a girl. The first two came true...got pg the next cycle, didn't have a miscarriage. The third one, obviously did not. Fast forward to when we started considering TTC#4. Started seeing lots of rainbows. Began to think...ok, I think maybe now we're going to have a daughter. If you've read my sway, you'll see all the other rainbow connections (saw one on conception day!), including the name we had picked for a girl...it seemed to really be God speaking to me. So, truth be told, I didn't even consider the fact that we could have another boy, until AFTER we were pg! I even bought nice pink girly bedding before I knew we were pg. So, yeah, that's why I'm devastated. I just don't understand how I could have made all that up in my head.

I had told DH about all the rainbow stuff from the very beginning, so he was well aware of it. Prayed with me that this would be a girl, etc., etc. We had a good, long talk tonight about it all. He, amazingly, fully believes that I am not crazy. That we will have a daughter. Said he doesn't know how it will happen or when, but that it will happen. He basically said money is no object, because who is he to stand in the way of God fulfilling His promise to me? OMG, I just cannot believe that he is so open and willing. I had mentioned to him before that I would not do this without a guarantee...and I won't. Too much heartache. So that leaves either adoption or HT. I am open to both. Of course, as I mentioned before, I don't know how in the world I'm going to handle 4 boys, so having a 5th child is beyond my realm of comprehension! But anyway, I married an amazing man, is all I can say. He even said that he thinks we should keep the pink bedding! I am trying to wrap my head around it all.

Ok. Enough talking about myself. At least now I know. And I am so happy that he's healthy. I am crossing my fingers for all of you who don't know yet that you are blessed with your beautiful little girls! Can't wait to hear all the upcoming news!

Rainbow, you have an awesome DH! I'm sorry you didn't hear girl, but I hope you feel better about ds4 soon. And who knows, maybe you can do semi-high tech if DH says money isn't an issue? If my current pregnancy isn't a girl, we will probably try to do Microsort (only available in Mexico, but not nearly as expensive as IVF) for #3. Would that be a possibility for you?
Anyway, I hope you can stay excited about this bubs regardless... When you have him in your arms, maybe you'll truly feel how much he was meant to be. :)

[Niva]

Ladies it is a girl!

i am absolutely over the moon. Will post pics when I can. The tech seemed sure but I will have to watch the DVD a million times to be sure. I saw nothing that looked even vaguely like male or female parts but i am sure she wouldn't just make it up for fun.

Whoo hooo! I'm so thrilled for you, Emily! I can't even imagine how happy you are feeling! I had a strong sense you had a girl in there... Yay!!! Congrats!

[Niva]

AFM, I have a doctor appt tomorrow and I might end up there today rather than tomorrow.... I've been spotting since last night :( called Dr this morning and she's worried as can be that my placenta might be detaching, which was the main concern after my terrible car accident. She said if it goes from sporting to bleeding to go straight to the ER. Spotting could be harmless, bleding is not. Baby is still active though which she says is a very reassuring sign. She also said that god forbid if my placenta is detaching, the survival rate of babies at this gestation is pretty good, especially because we have bone of the best NICU's in the country here at Sharp Mary Birch hospital. I am beyond worried of course... must one more thing to bring me sleepless nights :(

Sorry for the lack of personals... I am self consumed clearly :(

Charlee, I'm holding my breath for your update. I think there's a good chance your placenta is okay if the spotting is slight, or at all brownish (indicating old blood). It's also good to hear your OB is so optimistic about survival at your gestation if the worst was happening. Let us know as soon as you can!

[Niva]

I know I missed lots of personals... I've only have had time to check and read but not reply much lately... Sorry, I'm SO not the greatest forum member, this is the only forum I belong to and the only thread I try to keep up with! :)

AFM, I had one bad day when I thought I saw a boy nub in my 10w5d scan pic. Then I reminded myself that a nub shot that early could not possibly be standing up yet to show boy even if it is a boy, so I'm back to being contentedly team green. I've included my scan here -- what do you guys think? Is it such an obvious, obvious boy scan that I should just assume I've got ds2 in there? I know there is no good nub in the pic for angle guesses, but I've seen lots of boy scans where what's above the nub screams boy even if the nub isn't obviously in the shot. I'm afraid those little white lines above the sort-of-nub might be the telltale sign... Or is there just no way that could be anything at all at 10w5d? 1323713236

[Emily]

OMG Charlee, I am so sorry you are going through this. I think Meeks is right - rest as much as you can. It sounds like you have fantastic care there which must be a comfort. Obviously you want to keep your little one in there for as long as possible but I just wanted to tell you about my friend's little girl just in case. She was an IVF baby so I think that makes her a week on from other babies, but anyway, she was born at 23.5 weeks and after careful monitoring in the NICU was able to return home and was fine. I only found this out when she was three when it came up in a conversation - i would never have guessed. She is a bit smaller than her brother at the same age but totally healthy. I will tell you who she is on FB so you can see if you like.

Huge hugs to you. This one made it through all manner of sway tactics - he is a strong little fighter.

Niva, put those pics away unless you are just looking at how cute he or she is! They are too early to tell you anything other than you have a baby of uncertain gender! It is hard enough to tell at 12 weeks ;)

[I Love Ladybugs]

Charlee....I feel so bad for you....sleepless nights of worry are the worst. (((hugs))) What follow-up have you and your sweet little boy had since the accident? How have your big ones been doing? You all have been in my prayers!!

[Charlee]

Quick update... the spotting has lessened today since I've stayed in bed almost all day. I have such an amazing g Dr... she has called me 3 times today to check up on me. She said that since baby is still as active as before that this probably means that the placenta is fine and the bled I g is coming from somewhere else. My appt is at 11 am tomorrow so I'm sure I'll get the full work up. I'm praying that it all checks out fine and that this is just my cervix being irritated or something.

Thank you so much for the well wishes. I'll be on to update you as soon as I get out of the DR's office.

[meeks32]

Quick update... the spotting has lessened today since I've stayed in bed almost all day. I have such an amazing g Dr... she has called me 3 times today to check up on me. She said that since baby is still as active as before that this probably means that the placenta is fine and the bled I g is coming from somewhere else. My appt is at 11 am tomorrow so I'm sure I'll get the full work up. I'm praying that it all checks out fine and that this is just my cervix being irritated or something.

Thank you so much for the well wishes. I'll be on to update you as soon as I get out of the DR's office.

I also wanted to say my half brother was born at 24 weeks due to premature labour they were not able to stop. He has a few problems I believe are related to other things, but is active and well and it's definitely possible even if the worst outcome happens, that they have to induce you, babies survive well from very early on these days. My brother is 13, who knows how it would have been even better these days.

But I have a strong feeling you will be able to keep bubs in there and probably even have the reverse issue at the other end where you just want them to hurry up and come out!

So glad your doctor is so amazing, that is a comfort even to me, worrying about you, so I imagine its amazing for you.

Keep positive. My motto is don't worry until they tell you there is something specific to worry about. Of course this only works when I'm not pregnant and hormonal!!! But that was my philosophy when diagnosed with a massive tumour and it worked well, since it was benign!

[myrainbowgirl]

Niva - Thank you for your kind words. I know I will love this little boy...the news is still fresh, though, so I'm just taking it one day at a time. You know, funny you should mention microsort, I took a look at the high-tech forum for the first time today. DH actually wasn't concerned about the money...but when I read all that's involved in the process of HT I was pretty turned off. That's not to say I wouldn't do it, but it had me thinking of doing a not-so-sway sway again (I am crazy! Because I really DO want a guarantee, if possible). Like just doing a light LE diet and intense exercise...and not try to get pg. If it happens, it happens. I think my biggest downfall is all my obsessing. If I could just avoid that, and relax, but still keep some principles of a sway, I might have a decent chance. I don't know, though, super scary not to have a guarantee!

I've wondered about microsort, but didn't really get a chance to look at the details today. Is it just where they sort the sperm into x and y and then do an IUI with just the x? Do you have to do all the stimulating meds, too, or will they just do it with a regular cycle? And do you know how much it costs? Thanks for your thoughts!

As far as your pic goes, I don't think I see a nub...you are very much in the game! Too early anyway. :) When will you know for sure?

Charlee - That's great news...so glad to hear that things have gotten a little better. Will continue to pray for you and your little one. Keep us posted!

[2lovelyboys]

Niva, good to hear from you. I'm not great a nub guessing unless its really obvious but at 10 weeks nothing is guaranteed and could change so quickly! Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

Charlee!!! How you feeling? Glad the spotting has reduced, so scary! I will be thinking of you today! Keep us updated! :hugs:

Rainbow girl, you should definitely come over to the opposites thread!

[Dreamofpink]

Wow, just trying to catch up on the thread!

Charlee, that sounds so scary! I really hope that things settle down today and baby keeps on kicking away. You must be going out of your mind with worry :( You're in my thoughts ((Big hugs)) I totally understand the worry of a preemie as I'm only 5 weeks off when ds1 was born. I'll breathe a sigh of relief after 31 weeks! Preemies do have a great chance but it is a very scary time for the parents. I really hope that it doesn't come to that for you though x x

Myrainbowgirl, congratulations on your little boy! I know it stings and is hard to accept after all the dreaming and hoping but be kind to yourself and give yourself time to come to terms with it. It does get easier!

Emily, congratulations on your little girl! You certainly had a good tech guessing at 13 weeks! Enjoy buying pink. Have you settled in over there now? How's the search for a hospital going?

Niva, very cute baby but far too early to tell the gender!

Meeks, when's your next scan?

Ladybugs, I've pm'ed you. Glad to hear that you're home safe after your big journey to check on your little girl. It's not long now until your next scan is it? Such a stressful time for you and DH ((hugs))

Hello to everyone else! :wave:

AFM, I reached viability last week but it's always daunting to think that we were only 5 weeks off meeting ds1 at this stage. I really really do not want to see this one until late November at the very earliest! He's kicking good & hard when he kicks, but is quite often quiet. I get a little kick when I get back into bed in the early hours after going for a wee but he goes quiet very quickly. He's no trouble at all really and I can't believe how well I am this time round. I put it all down to the LE diet as starting off at a much lower weight has been a real godsend. No SPD or other hip/back aches and I'm not wearing a maternity belt for the first time either - a first for me. All the walking I'm doing, I really hope is getting my body stronger for my vba2c. We're on our 3rd set of house buyers now & hoping that this time it actually goes through. IF it does we should be moving in around 4 weeks!

[Niva]

Rainbow, I don't know the details about microsort either, just that it used to be offered in the US during the trial phase but the FDA approval was too expensive for them to get and so now it's just offered in Mexico (and maybe elsewhere). When it was in the US, it was a simple several-hundred dollar syringe they gave you of your husband's sorted sperm, either x or y, and you could self-administer it or have your RE do IUI. (This is according to a friend of mine who did 8 rounds of IVF to get her son, about 3.5 years ago). Now that it's in Mexico, I got the vague impression by reading online that the process might be different and they might require IUI, or at least for you to be under the care of a fertility specialist. No idea about stim shots or the like... I'll do all that research only if this next one is a boy!

Yeah, I know my shots don't have an actual nub in them, but a lot of 12 week "nub" shots have the telltale white comma poking up from where the end of the nub would be -- but only on boys. That's the part I'm looking at. From what I've seen, this is perhaps even more predictive than the angle of the straight nub. For example, this thread shows shots of the same baby that looks like he has a straight flat girly nub in some shots, but there is a telltale "shadow" of something sticking up/out in nearly every one: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/confirmed-boy-pics/6053-elps-confrimed-boy-nub-pics-interesting-selection.html

But I shouldn't even try to guess right now because after all I don't even really want to know! Or more specifically, I don't want to know if it's a boy unless it's totally obvious, and in a moment of panic, I thought maybe it was. I wish I had some way of "accidentally" finding out it's a girl but only if it's a girl, and waiting till the birth if it's a boy... LOL! I may not make it all the way to the end being team green, because I've been doing way too much ultrasound pic viewing online lately and now I feel like I could spot a boy from a mile away. My next scan is at 19 weeks so one look at the ultrasound screen at the wrong moment, and I'll surely know! Willpower, don't fail me...

Charlee, so glad your spotting is decreasing instead of increasing, and that his activity levels are great. That is a very, very good sign! I will be on an airplane tomorrow but as soon as I can I will be online to see if you have any answers yet. Your LO has been through so much already, I'm sure he'll make it as far as he needs to go to get to you!

[Charlee]

Okay back from the doctor.... she did an internal exam and found out I'm dialiated to 2 cm already, which is where the blood and mucous is most likely coming from. Since I'm already starting to dialiate, I'm now on partial bed rest. She would like for me to be on full bed rest but knows that I won't be able to do it, nor would I if I could! LOL.... stubborn as always!

Anyway, she scheduled an extensive in depth u/s at the hospital for me just to make sure baby is okay and placenta is fully attached. I should find out by tomorrow when the appt is. The needed a day to process the paperwork from my doctor before they would schedule me.

So all in all, it's better news than it could have been. Being at 2 cm this early is not a wonderful thing, but it's much better news than I could have had. I'm not contracting either so premature labor doesn't seem to be a concern. I'll know more after my u/s....

I really love that I have you ladies to talk to :) No one else IRL seems to fully understand the ups and downs of the joys of pregnancy LOL...

P.S. I left my doctor appt (after being told to be on partial bed rest, and took my boys to the beach... I am terrible!) haha

[myrainbowgirl]

Charlee - Well, all in all, that's good news! Will pray those contractions stay away, and little man stays put for a long time...keep us posted on the ultrasound!

2LB - Just went over there today, and almost done reading all 17 pages! Will post soon. And thanks for inviting me! Was planning on crashing it sometime soon anyway. :)

Dream - YAY for viability! So relieving, huh? Oh, and good luck with the move! OMG, I can't imagine that while pg...good for you, though, I am sure you are thrilled!

Niva - I looked at Microsort a little more, and it looks like total expenses now are around $5,000, but that is in large part due to the travel involved. The savings would be awesome, and their success rate for girls is 92%! That is such great odds! Doing that along with a light sway would really give an amazing chance at a DD! When I read all the protocol for PGD/IVF, I was just like, oh nooooo, SO don't want to go through that! Although, I could do it locally, and that could make a big difference for DH. In time we will discuss ALL our options, including adoption, or just being happy with our 4 boys. So nice to know another one is an option, though. :)

AFM - Told my parents tonight. They were amazingly supportive and wonderful. I thought I might be able to get through without crying, but um, noooo...that didn't happen. I told them the whole story, rainbows and all. They were 100% on board with my DH's comments! And when I told them how easily this baby was conceived (in spite of my pink sway AND in spite of my age AND in spite of my history), they were both amazed, and said this little guy must be special and so meant to be! Said they're looking forward to watching it all unfold. I gotta say, right now I'm feeling tons better. I think deep down I was worried about their reaction, to a fourth, to another boy. Obviously, I shouldn't have been. So grateful for them.

[meeks32]

Okay back from the doctor.... she did an internal exam and found out I'm dialiated to 2 cm already, which is where the blood and mucous is most likely coming from. Since I'm already starting to dialiate, I'm now on partial bed rest. She would like for me to be on full bed rest but knows that I won't be able to do it, nor would I if I could! LOL.... stubborn as always!

Anyway, she scheduled an extensive in depth u/s at the hospital for me just to make sure baby is okay and placenta is fully attached. I should find out by tomorrow when the appt is. The needed a day to process the paperwork from my doctor before they would schedule me.

So all in all, it's better news than it could have been. Being at 2 cm this early is not a wonderful thing, but it's much better news than I could have had. I'm not contracting either so premature labor doesn't seem to be a concern. I'll know more after my u/s....

I really love that I have you ladies to talk to :) No one else IRL seems to fully understand the ups and downs of the joys of pregnancy LOL...

P.S. I left my doctor appt (after being told to be on partial bed rest, and took my boys to the beach... I am terrible!) haha

Hon I'm glad everything is ok, and I dont want to scare you, but you need to listen when the doctor says bedrest. That is EXACTLY what happened to my stepmum with my half brother and he was born at 24 weeks (a week after they found she was 2cm dilated). She ignored the bedrest because she had no family nearby to help, and had a 4 year old already, but even to this day she regrets not resting more. I know you work, study, and have young boys, but do try to stay away from the beach and get any help you can. Even 4 more weeks of pregnancy is better than now in terms of risks.

That being said plenty of women can be 1-2cm dilated for many many weeks. They can do a stitch to keep it from going further, but that requires full bedrest. My cousin had to have that but it only saw her through to 32 weeks when she began contracting, they gave her the injection to stop them but from memory that only brought one day. She said bedrest was hell, they made her do it in hospital too, which was worse, but in the end all for a good cause and everything was completely fine.

Just don't be stubborn about this, from one stubborn woman to another, that is, haha!!

[Emily]

Myrainbowgirl glad you are feeling better. It is weird how we place so much impoertance on what others think and i am glad that your family pleasantly surprised you.

Charlee please try to rest as much as you can. If resting in bed is out of thequestion then rest like you are in a bed wherever you are. If you go to the beach prop your head up and lay down so you can see your boys play. Let them watch more TV than normal so you can rest. Too much TV and a few take outs / easy dinners will not harm them! Seriously, listen to the doctor. OK nag session over:) Really glad that things look like they are getting better than worse.

AFM i have decided to stay here for the birth as i just cannt leave Dh and DS1 for 12 weeks. Unfortunately i have been hearing such horror stories (power cuts, badly trained staff, mouldy walls etc ) that I know it is going ti be pretty horrific. My plan is to stay at home for as long as I can and then get out of the hospital the minute they cut the cord. DH gets good paternity leave and I will look into getting house calls from a doc if I need to.

[meeks32]

AFM i have decided to stay here for the birth as i just cannt leave Dh and DS1 for 12 weeks. Unfortunately i have been hearing such horror stories (power cuts, badly trained staff, mouldy walls etc ) that I know it is going ti be pretty horrific. My plan is to stay at home for as long as I can and then get out of the hospital the minute they cut the cord. DH gets good paternity leave and I will look into getting house calls from a doc if I need to.

That sounds sensible. Is there more than one hospital? Any private clinics? I agree with your plan for sure I could never leave the boys for 12 weeks. Were your previous births relatively uncomplicated?

As a side note, would your insurance pay to send you to another nearby better country for the birth? That way you wouldn't have to go for long maybe? Even Thailand may have better international hospitals...??

[2lovelyboys]

Rainbow girl, glad to hear you are feeling better!

Charlee, at least the bleeding has slowed down and they now know why it is occurring! I do agree with the other ladies, I know bed rest must seem like an impossible task at the moment but where possible try to spend as much time off your feet, will be worth it in the long run! Hope all goes well with the u/s!

Emily, 12 weeks away from the boys is an awfully long time! Hope you mange to find somewhere you feel comfortable to have your little lady! :)

[Mathilde]

Charlee: stay on your back whenever possible!
Emily: I totally agree with your choice, and would do exactly the same, gave birth to no two in a shitty hospital, but midwives were super:)
Rainbow: glad to hear you're feeling better, I'm in denial, being kind of numb.. Think I'm pushing my two friends away with my cold talk of this little one..
Went to mw today with DH, told her of my GD and she has recommended me going to a councillor..will see if I do, hb is 150 and my tummy is below average, but in the norm.
Mathilde

[Emily]

That sounds sensible. Is there more than one hospital? Any private clinics? I agree with your plan for sure I could never leave the boys for 12 weeks. Were your previous births relatively uncomplicated?

As a side note, would your insurance pay to send you to another nearby better country for the birth? That way you wouldn't have to go for long maybe? Even Thailand may have better international hospitals...??



I am only looking at private hospitals - my vietnamese is non- existent at the moment and we have great insurance. There are 3 main expat hospitals - one very old and the other two under a year old. I will start visiting them soon but want to get our stuff delivered and then think about January.

Thailand is a definite possibility if I hate the hospitals but would still have to be away a fair while. Not sure if the lady we are hiring t help out has a passport either.

Mathilde get the counselling it will do you the world of good to be listened to without feeling you have to self censor or apologise. I was lucky enough to have a very honest Aussie mate who said "I am bloody p***ed off that I am having a boy are you? I feel like a total bitch too!" when we both found out that we were both having boys. It was such a relief to be able to be honest with someone and even laugh about it - she kept on going on about how she couldn't face being weed on every nappy change etc etc. If you were feeling depressed about anything else you probably wouldn't worry about going.

[Charlee]

Charlee: stay on your back whenever possible!
Emily: I totally agree with your choice, and would do exactly the same, gave birth to no two in a shitty hospital, but midwives were super:)
Rainbow: glad to hear you're feeling better, I'm in denial, being kind of numb.. Think I'm pushing my two friends away with my cold talk of this little one..
Went to mw today with DH, told her of my GD and she has recommended me going to a councillor..will see if I do, hb is 150 and my tummy is below average, but in the norm.
Mathilde

Mathilde- I'm a counselor IRL and let me tell you how much of a difference it can make for your peace of mind! I'm a drug and alcohol counselor so I deal with different issues than this, but grief and anxiety are all the same no matter where they come from. Talking things out with someone who will not judge you, and even offer coping mechanisms will really help... I PROMISE IT WILL. If you have a friend IRL who can do the same for you then that would be a good alternative too... but we counselors are trained to do exactly that, help people through their darkest times. Trust me, there are ways to cope. I spent entirely too much money and time in University to learn this stuff... hahaha

In the meantime, this forum and the wonderful ladies here can be an amazing help too. I know they have carried me through my darkest GD days, and my days continue to get brighter (aside from the nonsense that's going on now with baby LOL)

BIG :hugs: to you

[Charlee]

AFM, I know you are right Meeks and Emily.... I should listen to the doctor and rest and BLAH BLAH BLAH.... hahaha! I'm making light of a serious situation and maybe I shouldn't. But here's the thing, I walked around at 3 cm for the last month of my pregnancy with DS2 and I still didn't go into labor until I was induced at 38 weeks. So I guess I'm feeling a little like this is what my body does.... a weak cervix maybe? I don't know... I am going to take it easy though, I promise. I am one of those people who is constantly on the go, so staying put is really hard. But I will do for this little guy, because despite the GD, I am so in love and only want the best for him always :)

Thanks for the lecture... I needed it apparently. HAHA

[I Love Ladybugs]

AFM, I know you are right Meeks and Emily.... I should listen to the doctor and rest and BLAH BLAH BLAH.... hahaha! I'm making light of a serious situation and maybe I shouldn't. But here's the thing, I walked around at 3 cm for the last month of my pregnancy with DS2 and I still didn't go into labor until I was induced at 38 weeks. So I guess I'm feeling a little like this is what my body does.... a weak cervix maybe? I don't know... I am going to take it easy though, I promise. I am one of those people who is constantly on the go, so staying put is really hard. But I will do for this little guy, because despite the GD, I am so in love and only want the best for him always :)

Thanks for the lecture... I needed it apparently. HAHA

We want to be welcoming your new man in December, so relax at the beach, chill out at home....and continue be the awesome momma we know you are!!!

[thehappypixi]

Could you get some sort of belly band or wrap arou d your belly to take a bit of the pressure off your cervix if/when you have to move about? I don't know if that sounds silly it it might be worth a go!

I got my scan date through, next Wednesday, half an hour before I planned to take the kids and my mum to the circus! Bum...

[Charlee]

Pixi - A belly band is a great idea actually! I don't know if it will really do what it needs to, but it sure will take the pressure off my poor abdomen. I'm getting bigger by the minute. Although, having said that, when she weighted me at the office I have lost 4 lbs since last month, not gained 4 lbs like I should be at this point in my pregnancy. But baby is measuring perfectly for dates so I guess the weight loss is just him taking what he needs from me since I'm not eating like I should be....

[Charlee]

myrainbowgirl - I'm so glad your parents were supportive! I know how scary it is to tell people because you dread the pity you are so afraid you will face.

So tell me more about Microsort? Isn't that only in Mexico? Or am I thinking about something else? 92% success rate and $5000? I can totally swing that! I'm going to research that right now!

[myrainbowgirl]

Charlee - Rest up!! I know it's hard. I was on bed rest with DS3 the last month or so, due to low fluid. Thing is, I felt great, so I didn't feel like I needed to slow down...but I tried, and it ended up helping my fluid levels. Anyway, you can do it!

Emily - Boo on the Vietnamese hospitals...but yay you get to stay with your family! I like Meeks' suggestion...maybe a neighboring country??

Happypixi - Yay for your scan! Do you even want to nub guess? Hope so...would love to take a look! :)

Mathilde - Yes, counselor sounds like a great idea. I may do the same, if I am having a tough time coming out of my funk, but so far, I feel like I'm making decent progress.

AFM - Looked a little more at Microsort...turns out, overall pg rates are only 12-15%, and not particularly recommended for someone who will be my age when I try again. Ugh. Don't think DH will be up for $5000 with only those odds (and I don't think I am either!) But, IVF/PGD is seriously daunting, with all the protocol, and no guarantee of a baby at the end, or how many cycles (and more $) it would take to get there. We *could* do the money, but really we don't have it just set aside for a rainy day, ya know?? While DH is willing, I am beginning to wonder if I am. At least with adoption, there's a guarantee of a baby in the end. BUT, it can actually end up being the most expensive option out there! Sooo...really beginning to ponder another sway. It is obviously SUPER risky, but I may hang around here just to see how the stats play out...and may just roll the dice again. Oh, but I just don't know if I can go through this heartbreak again. The one thing I would ABSOLUTELY change would be intense exercise. Didn't think I could do it, because I was too thin already, but obviously, I o'd just fine at a low BMI and got pg the first time. So, we'll see. An oops pg would also be a decent option, since there would be no obsessing. And of course, my final option is to accept being an all-boy mom and just choose to be happy with my 4 little blessings!

[thehappypixi]

I don't know whether to look or not!! I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my fantasy that there's a girl in there... ;D

[meeks32]

Charlee, re yesterdays conversation, we know you are an amazing mumma and you cant put life on hold entirely I totally get it. Didnt mean to lecture, but I care SO much about you and your healthy bub. Just wanted to make sure that stubbornness that allows you to move mountains and be amazing wasn't going to stop you from taking it easy if you need to.

I like what someone else said about being horizontal when you can, wherever you are. Sit if you can, dont do that extra one (or 10) things before bed, etc etc. I am also exactly the same as you and tend to do way more than the average person, and way more than I need to, then burn myself out and can't understand why I'm sick, or have a sore back etc. So I totally get it, trust me. I'm basically giving you the advice I'd want someone to give me in your position!!!! hehe. Fob off lots of extra things to DH, you have a great excuse and this may be the only time you can legitimately use it!!

So the bleeding has stopped now? When is that next appointment for the scan? Glad you are having movements and have such a great doc.

[meeks32]

To those considering Microsort, I dont know where it is now but I read a thing by that doctor in the US that does gender selection IVF and answers lots of peoples questions on this site, where he pointed out the issues with it. Apparently its potentially totally bogus. Similar to how the whole Shettles method is a bust because he was looking at capacitated and incapacitated sperm under the microscope and thinking they were XX and YX sperm, then making assumptions that one was heavier or slower or faster or stronger. This was 18 months ago I looked into it but the accusation was, how can it work if all sperm are equal weights, and in fact there was some worry about the lack of studies to prove its safety. The potential for birth defects, and low pregnancy rates were a concern.

Just do lots of research before forking out that money. Apparently gender selection in Thailand is a similar price. But again, reliability, potentially questionable.

[2lovelyboys]

Hi ladies, how is everyone? All looking forward to the weekend?

Pixi, I don't think you will be able to help yourself, I think you will be zooming straight in :) hee hee what time is your scan on Wednesday?

Charles, glad to hear things are improving, still a worry though. Like Meeks said I wold totally make the most of this situation, delegate all your jobs to DH and enjoy sitting with your feet up! How is little man? Still moving a lot?

Mathilde, time and talking things through are the best healers, being able to vent, shout and swear if necessary hopefully will help you find some rhyme or reason in this crazy time!

Ladybugs, how are you feeling? How is your little lady?

[thehappypixi]

2.30 :) I know I'm think I've looked at so many nubs over the years I'm bound to look, but Im not ready to know!

[Niva]

To those considering Microsort, I dont know where it is now but I read a thing by that doctor in the US that does gender selection IVF and answers lots of peoples questions on this site, where he pointed out the issues with it. Apparently its potentially totally bogus. Similar to how the whole Shettles method is a bust because he was looking at capacitated and incapacitated sperm under the microscope and thinking they were XX and YX sperm, then making assumptions that one was heavier or slower or faster or stronger. This was 18 months ago I looked into it but the accusation was, how can it work if all sperm are equal weights, and in fact there was some worry about the lack of studies to prove its safety. The potential for birth defects, and low pregnancy rates were a concern.

Just do lots of research before forking out that money. Apparently gender selection in Thailand is a similar price. But again, reliability, potentially questionable.

Meeks, I think you might be thinking of sperm spinning... That does rely on sperm weight to separate them in a centrifuge, and I've read too that it is probably bogus. But the Microsort is different -- it labels the Y sperm with fluorescence and then sorts them in a special machine. The reason they stopped pursuing FDA approval was monetary, I read... The clinical trials did give very good and consistently high gender ratio results! Pregnancy rates, on the other hand, may be a worry... Haven't researched that at all.

[Niva]

Happypixi -- I feel the same! Not totally 100% firm on my determination to keep it a surprise until the end, but not ready to actually find out. I don't know if I can keep from peeking at the next scan... Still debating.

[myrainbowgirl]

Meeks, I think you might be thinking of sperm spinning... That does rely on sperm weight to separate them in a centrifuge, and I've read too that it is probably bogus. But the Microsort is different -- it labels the Y sperm with fluorescence and then sorts them in a special machine. The reason they stopped pursuing FDA approval was monetary, I read... The clinical trials did give very good and consistently high gender ratio results! Pregnancy rates, on the other hand, may be a worry... Haven't researched that at all.

Yes, Niva, I read that about sperm spinning. Getting DG with Microsort is very high...92% for girls, lower for boys. But getting pg at all is 12-15%, and apparently not recommended for women in their late 30's. I would be pushing 37 by the time we would try again. And the travel to Mexico...not sure we could pull that off with 4 little ones. And pretty sure DH would balk at the safety of going there. So, while at first I was excited about it because it's soooo much cheaper than IVF/PGD, now I'm thinking it's not worth the risk of not getting pg.

[atomic sagebrush]

Microsort - works, but can only weed out like 80-90% of the sperm of the "wrong" gender. It uses dyes and electromagnets to separate out X from Y sperm (the X have more DNA and glow brigher and then a tech goes thru and adds a drop of liquid to each individual sperm and gives it an electric charge. It is great for people doing IVF (because the sperm are weeded out beforehand so lots of your desired gender conceived) but the MS + IUI option got terribly low pg rates, the process apparently made the sperm too tired to go anywhere or do anything. The number quoted by the MS people was 11% pregnancy rates but I and others feel like it was WAY lower than that. I only know two people who got pg from MS + IUI and one was an opposite with a 92% girl sperm sort (supposedly Maureen did it and got boy-girl twins so really that's two opposites but I don't know her personally so I can't totally corroborate that), and there were dozens of people doing hundreds of cycles MS + IUI on IG in its heyday and it was BFN after BFN.

I really, really, really do not recommend MS + IUI for you guys. I saw so much heartbreak with MS + IUI it really left a bad taste in my mouth. If it's possible, MS + IVF + PGD does work and can give you really good gender splits with way more of your DG.

And all that having been said, people take Clomid with MS + IUI so who even knows. If we get 80% success rate for pink with Clomid + LE with everyone getting pg, I personally don't think it's a great trade to switch to MS + IUI with Clomid where hardly anyone is going to get pg anyway.

Sperm spinning, the jury is out on whether that works a little bit or not. Maybe but it's a SMALL amount. Seriously like about as much as swaying itself - 60-70% range. Swaying for a boy is actually getting better results right now by far, than the sperm spinning numbers and swaying for a girl is roughly equal. I am a cheapskate LOL but I personally hate to see you guys shell out $$$$ that you could spend on your kiddos for odds you can get at home..

It's my most sincere hope that we are going to continue to see the great results with exercise and all this will become moot. :pray:

[Charlee]

Thanks for the info on MS and all that :) Honestly, it's all a pipe dream for me anyway.... I can't justify shelling out that kind of money to get my girl. I *MAY* try to sway one more time, but even that is very iffy since I would honestly just be trying for the sake of getting a girl, not because I want 4 children per say... really it's not even a decision I can make clearly right now since I haven't even had #3 safely yet!

For the others considering it though, if you're going to spend the money and time for HT and travel, I would think IVF with PGD would be the most sensible. You get more bang for your buck.... pun intended! haha

[myrainbowgirl]

Thanks, Atomic. That's where I was landing anyway. How are the stats on exercise looking now?

[meeks32]

Thanks atomic and Nivia. Yes I was thinking sperm spinning I think, or confusing the details. But I do worry about the dye with MS and safety, and the low pg rates.

Totally agree with atomic re the $$$ point. If you decide to spend on it just do tons and tons of research, and keep an eye on our stats here for swaying because I think the longer we track stats and the more ladies sway, the easier we can figure out what's working and improve the stats anyway. I have seen amazing success with boy sways lately and truly believe if one group can achieve that, the other can too. It's just nutting out the details. It's always preferable to achieve what we can for little cost at home of course.

[bunnywabbit]

Hi all! Haven't been in here for a while. How's everyone doing?

AFM, AF started mid week but stopped as suddenly as it started. Decided to test today and got my BFP!

13411

Am beyond shoked...

[TTCPink]

Yay Bunny!!! So happy for you!!! :bigsmile:

[Charlee]

Congrats Bunnywabbit!!!! FX for lines getting darker and a healthy baby! :) So excited for you!

[myrainbowgirl]

Yay, bunnywabbit!!! Congratulations! Sounds like implantation spotting to me...woohoo! What have you calculated to be your due date?

[I Love Ladybugs]

Hi all! Haven't been in here for a while. How's everyone doing?

AFM, AF started mid week but stopped as suddenly as it started. Decided to test today and got my BFP!

13411

Am beyond shoked...
Awesome news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am excited for you...hoping it gets nice and dark!!

[Niva]

Hi all! Haven't been in here for a while. How's everyone doing?

AFM, AF started mid week but stopped as suddenly as it started. Decided to test today and got my BFP!

13411

Am beyond shoked...

Wow! What an excellent surprise! Post more poas pics as it gets darker... So happy for you!

[Emily]

Congratulations! That is amazing:)

[bunnywabbit]

Yay, bunnywabbit!!! Congratulations! Sounds like implantation spotting to me...woohoo! What have you calculated to be your due date?

Thank you! Estimated due date is 5/5/14. Scared - really hoping this one sticks.

[bunnywabbit]

Could you get some sort of belly band or wrap arou d your belly to take a bit of the pressure off your cervix if/when you have to move about? I don't know if that sounds silly it it might be worth a go!

I got my scan date through, next Wednesday, half an hour before I planned to take the kids and my mum to the circus! Bum...

Ooh... that's lousy timing as far as almost clashing with your circus trip. Just wondering, is there a chance you could reschedule your scan for the week after bringing you to 13+ weeks? If It were me, I'd tempted to - less of a rushed appointment and a slightly smaller chance of gender error than at the week before. Obviously you don't have to, just wondered if it's something you'd think was an idea... x

[meeks32]

Congrats bunny, how many dpo is that test? Hoping it gets darker by the day for you and that you have a nice healthy sticky one in there. Did you sway?

[bunnywabbit]

Congrats bunny, how many dpo is that test? Hoping it gets darker by the day for you and that you have a nice healthy sticky one in there. Did you sway?

Thanks Meeks, I o'd on the 8th, so that test was 16DPO. At 15DPO I first tested and although there was barely a line it was there, just faint enough I couldn't even make out the colour - was a grey shadow. Going to POAS again next weekend and see how the line looks - should be a solid line by then, right?

I swayed pink, but was a lazy sway - cut out all meat, only took folic acid, chitosan and one or two antihistamines a few days before o, as well as the aspartame in diet coke, etc. Dropped RepHresh completely as was nightmarish and, well, gross...

Wanted to be careful this time round because I have no idea what caused m/c last time. It could very easily just have been bad luck on my part, just want to make sure it's nothing I've done to cause it. Either way, I'm just hoping for a non-eventful H&H 9 months. A pink bundle would be fantastic, but happy for a blue one too. I don't have too many years left to play with anymore, certainly if DH and I should decided to try for a second bubba later on!

[I Love Ladybugs]

Bunnywabbit.....keeping it all crossed for you!!! That is a great EDD....and I pray that this little one is a keeper!

Charlee...you and your boys continue to me in my thoughts and prayers! I know that it is hard to sit still...from one go,go,go girl to another. Other than your Dh, who can help with your situation?

Happypixi...you are a tease!!! Lol, I think that having a u/s machine so handy, it would be too hard to resist knowing gender. Do you have a best bud at work who could scan you and keep it secret?

2lovely...I am here...just waiting for this prenatal visit Tuesday with my MD. Still have 3 weeks before the next trip...and just laying low otherwise. We are working to complete this shed before winter, and hopefully get most done before the next trip down, so it takes my mind off of all of this baby stuff. How are you keeping? How is the exercise? How about names for your new guy???

Myrainbowgirl...there are some babylegs on ebay that I see and think of you. If you look for them in the big lots when sorting from price lowest with shipping and see #29 (I think) they would be something your new man could wear!!!

Emily....any updates on the hospital situation? I hope that you can figure out what to do when the time comes....praying for the right MD and hospital for you!!!

Waiting for Daisy....this is probably the wrong thread, but my cutoff was 30....lol, I will be 34 when she arrives, but I would have it no other way. Six kids would be amazing!!!!!!

[2lovelyboys]

Bunnywabbit, congratulations! What great news, keeping my finger and toes crossed or a H&H 9 months!

Ladybugs, not done much exercise this week, booooo, all been poorly and dint want to push it. Went on Friday morning an it did help, hoping to go again tomorrow. How are you feeling?

[thehappypixi]

Have rebooked circus for Tuesday :D Still have a gaggle of offspring to look after that day so guessing ill be going to the scan alone while Mark looks after them, on that note -
Think I've found a cure for GD - have my 6 year old step daughter for a week! It's driving me nuts, if I hear gangham style or whatever the hell it is one more time I'm going to scream, it doesn't listen, it whines, it's obnoxious, it makes my boys as mosterous as they imitae her, ARGH! Where's the nearest bar, oh bollocks yeah I'm bloody pregnant... Double ARGHHHHHHH!!!!

[myrainbowgirl]

Happypixi - LOL!!!!! Hope she calms down for you (or leaves soon)! Yay for the reschedule. Are you even going to attempt to look for a nub??

Ladybugs - Thanks for the heads up. I will have to take a look! You are so sweet thinking of me! :) Glad you're keeping distracted from baby stuff, but I have a feeling things are going to be just fine with your sweet little ladybug!

Bunnywabbit - Cinco de Mayo...DS3's birthday! I delivered him at 1:18 am, so just barely, haha. But it was so great, because of the time of his delivery, I really got a whole "extra" day in the hospital. I have delivered at an amazing hospital...they treat us mommies like a queen, the care is wonderful, food yummy, and honestly loved the experience every time. So that extra day was great, haha! Anyway, congrats again on your bub! I am beginning to think that lazy sways are probably awesome for pink...so much less stress, controlling, and testosterone to wreck your sway. Pretty convinced that was my biggest issue this time. Oh well, lesson learned! :)

AFM - Fun day with the fam. We drove up to the mountains and had such a nice family day together...well, except that DS3 (15 months) was pretty wretched in the car. It's a 2-2.5 hour drive, and really, we should know better. He just can't handle it! But, when not in the car, it's a sweet, fun time together. Talked with DH about baby names...starting to feel better about this little guy. Oh, and seriously saw multiple rainbows today...like 6 or 7 different ones at different times. Feeling encouraged! :)

[thehappypixi]

I blatantly will, I have very little will power :/

She is now delighting in telling my 2 and 3 year old, the toys and movies they love are for babies - so guess what, now they don't love them :'( Im going to leave her at the circus and hope they take her away...!

[meeks32]

Have rebooked circus for Tuesday :D Still have a gaggle of offspring to look after that day so guessing ill be going to the scan alone while Mark looks after them, on that note -
Think I've found a cure for GD - have my 6 year old step daughter for a week! It's driving me nuts, if I hear gangham style or whatever the hell it is one more time I'm going to scream, it doesn't listen, it whines, it's obnoxious, it makes my boys as mosterous as they imitae her, ARGH! Where's the nearest bar, oh bollocks yeah I'm bloody pregnant... Double ARGHHHHHHH!!!!


She sounds just like my ds1. Lol!!! Seems they turn out whyngers who like gangham style in both genders!

[Mathilde]

I´m so nubsessing its driving me mad. Sitting here with my us pictures on my phone and the computer on my lap trying to find girls that look like my boy.. Getting a tummy now, tried wearing one of my skirts for work, and it was really tight, my maternity pants from ds2 were WONDERFULL to put on this evening, so I´m off to the shops. Am not over GD but have entered a state of passivity.. Hope you all are well:)
Mathilde

[meeks32]

I´m so nubsessing its driving me mad. Sitting here with my us pictures on my phone and the computer on my lap trying to find girls that look like my boy.. Getting a tummy now, tried wearing one of my skirts for work, and it was really tight, my maternity pants from ds2 were WONDERFULL to put on this evening, so I´m off to the shops. Am not over GD but have entered a state of passivity.. Hope you all are well:)
Mathilde

Oh hon I know how the nubsessing goes. One day I walk past our nub pic on the fridge and think "oh 100% girl" the next I think "that's definitely on the rise and boy". Nubs are good but they aren't a gender scan. I wouldn't count yourself out until you know for sure.

I have been in maternity pants since 9 or 10 weeks pregnant, they were just sooooo much more comfortable and I get really funny about things cutting in on my tummy. I start envisioning me squashing baby with my stubborn fashion sense, and freak out and change. hahaha. But I did find some awesome maternity jeans with ds2 so I can pretend to wear normal clothes for now at least. Thankfully we are heading into spring so this pregnancy I might actually get to wear dresses!!

I think if you are a bit down about the nub, buying some nice maternity clothes will really help. I mean you wear them daily for the next 6-8 months so its worth it (remember nobody pops back into their pre pregnancy pants at the birth).

7hrs until my scan!!

[myrainbowgirl]

Mathilde - You are not out of the game!! When is your level II scan? Glad you're feeling more passive now. That's progress!

Meeks - GL! I just know you're gonna hear girl. Looking forward to your news!

[2lovelyboys]

Meeks, any news?

Rainbow girl, a trip to the mountains sounds lovely! Your poor car though :)

Pixi, how long do you have your step daughter staying? Hope you have fun at the circus

We have had a lovely long bank holiday weekend, the weather has been great so we have been able to get out ands o things with the boys. Bump is having a growth spurt so am feeling permanently exhausted at the moment, oh the joys :)

[meeks32]

IT'S A GIRL! 15 weeks 1 day, so still early, and I got no pics as my obstetrician had to run off and deliver a baby, but he said it definitely looked like a girl and I was watching and didn't see anything remotely boy like on the scan, and saw a good shot between the legs where there was NOTHING!

Omg, omg.

[Mathilde]

Meeks: Wonderfull news! All that hard work and struggle paid off!!:)
My scan is at 18 weeks on Friday 20th sept..

[Charlee]

I already said it on the other thread but CONGRATS!!!! I was highly suspect of that first scan... 11 weeks is way too early! 15 is pretty reliable... I was 14 when I found out this little guy was coming so I would totally trust a 15 week scan.... so happy for you! :)

[Charlee]

Pixi - You know what's funny about that? The only children who have ever driven me truly mad are girls! I don't know why, boys drive me crazy too, sure, but some little girls are just too much for me with their catty emotional behavior! I've always thought that if I had a daughter I wouldn't feel that way but hey who knows.... maybe its a good thing I'm having all boys! Haha

I would run with that thought right there if I was you!! :)

[Charlee]

AFM - its 3:30 am for me and I'm lying here on GD... what the hell am I doing awake??? I have been doing this a lot during this pregnancy actually... I wake up at all sorts of weird hrs at night can't fall back asleep, yet I could sleep the day away NO PROBLEM... so strange! I've never had this pregnancy symptom before... anyone else experience it?

[meeks32]

Meeks: Wonderfull news! All that hard work and struggle paid off!!:)
My scan is at 18 weeks on Friday 20th sept..

My next scan is the anatomy scan too, and on 24th! Glad we get to confirm at a second scan! Terrified someone will tell me there was a mistake!!!

[meeks32]

AFM - its 3:30 am for me and I'm lying here on GD... what the hell am I doing awake??? I have been doing this a lot during this pregnancy actually... I wake up at all sorts of weird hrs at night can't fall back asleep, yet I could sleep the day away NO PROBLEM... so strange! I've never had this pregnancy symptom before... anyone else experience it?

YES! That happened in the 20-40 week stage for me with both boys. More so with ds1. It was mad, frustrating and exhausting!!!

[Charlee]

Yes I'm not having a fun time over here! I could sleep the day away, yet from the hours of 2-5 am I can't for the life of me sleep! The problem is I CAN'T sleep during the day... sooooo, that leaves me with no sleep ever pretty much... crazy stuff I tell ya! I never had this with the boys before.

[myrainbowgirl]

Meeks - AAAHH!! I knew it!! Huge congrats!!! Did your OB make any comments about his wrong assumption at 11 weeks??

Charlee - Oh goodness. So sorry for your insomnia. That sounds terrible! No, never had that before, but I definitely have friends who have had it during their pregnancies. Yuck!! Hope it gets better ASAP!

[bunnywabbit]

Thinking I've lost this LO too. Pink spotting this morning turned into fresh red blood by afternoon. Retesed when I got in - the line isn't much darker than the last test at all. Crampy, tired, nauseous and so disappointed... :sad:

[myrainbowgirl]

Oh bunny, I am so, so sorry. That just plain SUCKS. Once the bleeding stops, definitely retest just to make 100% sure. You never know. Prayers and big hugs coming your way!

[meeks32]

bunny I'm so sorry, I really hope its just a mistake, and rest helps, but I know how hurtful that is, and I'm so sorry you are going through it. x

[meeks32]

Meeks - AAAHH!! I knew it!! Huge congrats!!! Did your OB make any comments about his wrong assumption at 11 weeks??

Charlee - Oh goodness. So sorry for your insomnia. That sounds terrible! No, never had that before, but I definitely have friends who have had it during their pregnancies. Yuck!! Hope it gets better ASAP!

haha No he didn't, but he did say he was JUST in the other room scanning a woman who was also 15 weeks and her baby had a distinct penis and balls! He said to confirm at the 20 week scan but he, the midwife and my best friend all agreed it was a girl, and he checked a few angles, then had to run out. Even at 11 weeks he said it was early, and to take it as nothing until the 12+ week scans. I think I just heard what I was scared of and ran away with that info in my own head!! thats why I had my friend there yesterday, to give me an objective opinion. We walked out and she said, "If that thing grows a penis in the next 4 weeks it will be the worlds smallest penis, that was SO girl".

[Charlee]

Thinking I've lost this LO too. Pink spotting this morning turned into fresh red blood by afternoon. Retesed when I got in - the line isn't much darker than the last test at all. Crampy, tired, nauseous and so disappointed... :sad:

I am so so sorry :( I lost quite a few before I had my ds1 and all I can say is that if you believe long enough, the dream WILL come true. It's so much harder when you don't have a LO in my opinion.... my 32 week loss was by far the most devastating loss of my life. I will be thinking about you and sending you all the best vibes....

:hugs:

[meeks32]

What's LO mean??

[myrainbowgirl]

What's LO mean??

Little one

[bunnywabbit]

Thanks girls, not holding out much hopes as passing a lot of clots this morning. Off to the doctors in a minute. Thinking I'm not too bad, at least it happened early rather than after scan. DH is taking it worse than me - very snappy last night and spent a lot of time alone. Would it sound crazy if I said that was one of the better nights sleep I've had in quite a while?

@charlee, I'm so sorry! 32 week loss must be horrific. I'm not sure how I'd recover after that... x

[Tree]

I'm so sorry Bunny!!

[2lovelyboys]

Bunnywabbit, thinking of you! :hugs:

[2lovelyboys]

Meeks, HUGE congratulations! Makes all the hard work worthwhile!

[thehappypixi]

I've been hiding he last few days...
So sorry bunny :'(

Meeks, congrats!

I have until Monday to survive the step daughter, got my scan at 2.30, will have to go alone for he first time ever as Mark will have to look after boys and her. I really don't want them all there :/

[2lovelyboys]

Pixi, scan is 2.30 today? Exciting, are you going to manage to avoid nub sessing?

[thehappypixi]

Yup today! Only two and a half more hours! Last time with Louis, I came out of my 12 weeks an crying as I have been looking at nubs for years and it was obviously a boy. So unless I close my eyes for the whole thing, I'm thinking I might have a clue by the end of the day... Eeeek!

[Mathilde]

Bunny: im sorry..

[I Love Ladybugs]

Bunnywabbit.... ((((hugs))) I too know the pain of early losses (6,5,5,8 weeks) and remember the toughest feeling that you will never be a mom. You will be...you will hold your rainbow baby...I have to believe that for you!!

Charlee..I think you one of the strongest women around here...and I don't mean in terms of lifting weights. Your emotional fortitude and lovely outlook has me in awe of you. Your family continues to be in my thoughts and prayers.

[I Love Ladybugs]

Meeks.....congrats!! I had tried posting last night, but my computer had a mind of its own. How did your hubby respond? Stalking you and your 20 week appt for sure!

Myrainbowgirl....we have had a lot of rain here lately and I have been watching for rainbows....not one. You must have all of them right now!! Did you check out that item I found on Ebay for you?

Happypixi....are you planning on nubcessing? Lol, your baby is going to be cute either gender, love your profile pic!!!!!

AFM...had my MD appt yesterday and feeling a little unsettled. She did downplay most of the issues, and I don't know if she was doing it out of the fact that the specialist tend to accentuate it. I know that she had a phone call with the one doctor I saw down in Vancouver and only can hope that all is well with my little girl. She is such a fighter, loves to kick inside....I bet early on with my hubby in this pregnancy that this baby was most like my oldest in terms of looks and personality...only 15 more weeks to see who is closer on their guess of what the baby looks like.

Which brings me to my sillier question of the week? What did you think that your new baby would be like ie. looks, attitude, etc?

[Emily]

My next scan is the anatomy scan too, and on 24th! Glad we get to confirm at a second scan! Terrified someone will tell me there was a mistake!!!

I am sure there is no mistake but how lovely to get all those paranoia squashing scans!

[Emily]

Bunnywabbit so sorry you are going through this. It does sound like a miscarriage to me. Am so sorry. Hopefully your doc will be able o tell you for sure as many women have had bleeding and been OK. i don't want to get your hopes up just to give you a bug cyber hug and say i know how you feel and it might still be OK.

[thehappypixi]

Soooo, I'm not crying this time! I didn't see anything obviously boy, I did see something parallel and forked but I know there's no guarantees at this stage.
Don't think my print outs show an obvious nub, but here is my baba!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/thehappypixi/e17d733197cee3a3ce4f8a5d44079353.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/thehappypixi/f3996a899b392f92a4994e9485f67603.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/thehappypixi/deacec409b6d8a33398837cb17b13510.jpg

[2lovelyboys]

Pixi, not great with nubs but cute little baby :)

[Charlee]

Pixi - I think you have a VERY good chance at hearing girl!!! VERY. So excited to see what the next scan brings :) Congrats on a healthy baby, obviously the MOST important thing... ;)

[Charlee]

Charlee..I think you one of the strongest women around here...and I don't mean in terms of lifting weights. Your emotional fortitude and lovely outlook has me in awe of you. Your family continues to be in my thoughts and prayers.

Awww well thanks Ladybug. That really means a lot to me. I think anyone would do the same given the circumstances though, and I'm just glad that most of you haven't had those circumstances! You are no different than me though, my dear... we have both been through so much to have these crazy beautiful boys and you are continuing to be a pillar of strength throughout this pregnancy. I can't wait to see pics of your amazing little Ladybug!

Just to clarify, a loss is a loss no matter when. It hurts, it's crushing. I was just pointing out my 32 week loss because it was the turning point for me, the moment when I wasn't sure I would EVER have children.... and the moment I decided I wouldn't quit until I got answers and had a baby REGARDLESS. So I wanted to pass on that resolve to bunny and anyone else struggling. Don't listen to the "odds", listen to your heart and keep the faith that it will happen. A little bit of positive thinking goes a long way.

:hugs:

[meeks32]

Thanks girls, not holding out much hopes as passing a lot of clots this morning. Off to the doctors in a minute. Thinking I'm not too bad, at least it happened early rather than after scan. DH is taking it worse than me - very snappy last night and spent a lot of time alone. Would it sound crazy if I said that was one of the better nights sleep I've had in quite a while?

@charlee, I'm so sorry! 32 week loss must be horrific. I'm not sure how I'd recover after that... x

I'm so sorry, I had 4 early losses like that, and once I saw clots I always knew it was over. I really hope you get pg again quickly because that seemed to help me. It sways pink too, not that that's any consolation when you lost a dream.

Charlee I didn't remember that you had such a late loss! I knew you had lost babies but not the details. Or maybe I did and pregnancy brain has set in. Either way, that's truly horrible and I'm so sorry. You have handled your emotions amazingly through the car accident and this recent scare, and given that loss I am just in awe of your strength. xxx

[meeks32]

I am sure there is no mistake but how lovely to get all those paranoia squashing scans!

Its because in Australia if you have private health insurance, your care is provided by an obstetrician, not a midwife, and the private obstetricians have ultrasound machines in their offices. So I have monthly appointments and see bubs each time. The anatomy scan happens at 18-20 weeks and is done at a proper ultrasound clinic because its in far more detail, everyone has that. The NT scan i had to pay a lot for, including bloodwork it was almost $400, which is ridiculous since I believe it should be covered at least partially by our government like the anatomy scan, because the cost to the economy of a child with the disorders they are scanning for is far far greater than the cost of providing the scan, and although many people would continue the pregnancy, it at least gives families a choice.

But anyway, that's why all the scans!!

[meeks32]

pixi, no nub in those shots, but glad you feel there is hope, that's going to keep you going and in a great mood until you have either a gender scan or the anatomy scan! Yay! Gorgeous bub!!

[Charlee]

Ugh yes Meeks... I was exactly 32 weeks... they made me labor through a delivery. It took 5 days to deliver him and I got to hold him when he was born. Perfect little boy just small... 4 lbs 1 oz. They were never able to give me an answer as to why it happened. I think that was the hardest part ... after losing my DD last year to a blood clot they think that is probably the reason we lost him too...

This little one is a fighter though! And I have learned it's better to come home with a baby boy than no baby at all.

:hugs:

[Charlee]

In much brighter news, I just had an u/s and baby looks great! Measuring good for dates and none the worse for the wear after my car wreck... whew! I can't begin to say how relieved I am... I will know more after I talk to my doctor in a couple days though. The techs dont always give you the full scoop.

[Charlee]

Here is little man's face! So cool :)

http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s597/charlee1015/027f5707-ef9d-4bdd-988d-0fbbeb3e941a_zpseb7fd969.jpg (http://s1307.photobucket.com/user/charlee1015/media/027f5707-ef9d-4bdd-988d-0fbbeb3e941a_zpseb7fd969.jpg.html)

[meeks32]

Ugh yes Meeks... I was exactly 32 weeks... they made me labor through a delivery. It took 5 days to deliver him and I got to hold him when he was born. Perfect little boy just small... 4 lbs 1 oz. They were never able to give me an answer as to why it happened. I think that was the hardest part ... after losing my DD last year to a blood clot they think that is probably the reason we lost him too...

This little one is a fighter though! And I have learned it's better to come home with a baby boy than no baby at all.

:hugs:

Absolutely right you are, that must have been so heartbreaking both times. How far along were you with your DD? Both circumstances are horrific, but not knowing why would be really difficult to get over, especially when pregnant the next time. I think knowing why is closure to some extent. But I imagine you never fully heal from those losses, just find a way to get on with life and live through them to honour the family you have left. I truly felt my chemicals were nowhere near the trauma of loosing a baby later, and despite it being difficult, I couldn't help but feel I would rather loose one in the first few weeks than later on, when you have names picked, seen baby on ultrasound, told everyone, bonded, and then to have to labour is just plain unfair. Its heartbreaking and I wish it never happened to anyone. My friend lost his at 25 weeks, born alive then passed within hours, when I was pg with ds2. I cried for days and it was just a work colleague from years ago, but it really hit home for me because I could imagine myself in their shoes. It was heartbreaking. They had a DD, and lost their son, then had another DD after. I feel that was particularly unfair of life to throw at them.

[myrainbowgirl]

Charlee - You are a strong woman!! I just can't even wrap my head around the late losses you've gone through. Ladybugs is right...your positivity in all you've gone through is so inspiring! So, thank you. :) And such a handsome little guy!

Ladybugs - I tried to find what you were talking about, and I'm wondering if the ebay that I'm looking at in the USA is a different version in Canada? I looked up babylegs, but didn't have the option to sort for the cheapest with shipping...and none of the pics I saw were numbered! But what I saw was adorable, and I'm sure I could find some super cute ones that he could wear! :)

Pixi - Super cute baby!! Yeah, couldn't see a defined nub, but yes, completely agree with Charlee that could easily be a little girl in there! FX for you!!

Bunnywabbit - Hugs going out to you!!

AFM - Think I've been feeling a little movement the last couple days. YAY!! I was told at my 11-wk scan that placenta was "right in front"...so I'm assuming she meant anterior. Had the same thing with DS2, and barely felt movement till 18 weeks...so hoping maybe this time placenta is slightly off dead in the front so that I can feel things sooner. Hoping what I've felt the last day or two is the real thing! :)

[Charlee]

[QUOTE=meeks32;460359]Absolutely right you are, that must have been so heartbreaking both times. How far along were you with your DD?QUOTE]

I was almost 14 weeks with DD... that one was still hard but NOTHING like my DS. I had a D&C that time so I didn't have to go through labor. I didn't know she was a girl until genetic testing came back... then it stung ten times worse. I wish I hadn't found out... honestly.

[2lovelyboys]

Charlee, like the others have said you are inspiring, you have been down a hard horrible road that no one should have to travel! I'm glad your scan went well and DS3 is looking good, always a relief to hear and s great excuse to see him again! Great picture of his face, he looks adorable!

Rainbow girl, bet it is LO that you are feeling esp if you ave felt it a few times now, makes it seem so real when you feel them moving and kicking, love it :)

Bunnywabbit, hope you are well :hugs:

Ladybugs, how are you and your little lady? How you feeling? X

[Emily]

I agree that a loss is awful at any stage but even harder as each day passes. my friend lost her baby at 39 weeks. It was just so horrendous and then she had people phoning and asking if the baby had been born yet. Nobody should have to go through that. Before I started TTC at 32 I had no idea that chemicals and miscarriages happened to so many if us.

On a much brighter note - cute pics ladies! Charlee is it me or is your little man actualy smiling?! Pixi your baby is even waving in the first pic - such sociable babies!

AFM all our shipping arrived yesterday (yippee) but DH had to work all day so i was running up and downstairs like a mad thing trying to get it all done properly. I am now in stupidly bad pain one side of my pelvis evrytime i take a step. Pretty sure i is just PSD rather than anything more serious but OW! I had it with DS2 but nit till 32 weeks or something. The doc then said limit how much I go up stairs and never do anything on one leg or hold a child on one hip. Now that we live on a 4 storey house with a clingy 2 year old that might be a bit tricky. I will try to avoid carrying him upstairs whilst on one leg though! :)

Meeks I have a doc app next week and he has a scan in his office which he just uses to listen to the heart but i might see if i can sweet talk him:)

[2lovelyboys]

Emily, make sure you take it easy! Easier said than done especially when trying to make your house a home within a limited time frame! I would definitely try to sweet talk your Dr, always lovely to see your little one!

[I Love Ladybugs]

Charlee....I am thrilled for you that the sweet little in your belly is measuring right on and not struggling due to the car accident!! Your appt with your MD should fill you in on all the details....and get you at least another scan or two so we can all see how cute he is!!!!

2lovely...you are sweet to check in on me...the followup appt with my MD was so-so, maybe because most of the appts after 4 pm are like that! I believe that she is downplaying the concerns, but I am hoping that is because of her conversation with the specialist and that this little girl who loves to kick early in the mornings is in better shape than they first thought. I have been reading your responses in AS maternal dominance thread and have to tell you that your first cuddles with your DS3 are going to be amazing!!!!!!!!

Myrainbowgirl...I am on the ebay.com one...but if you don't have the option, then look for the 120 + patterns available from China and see the cute little one with blue and rainbow lines to the top with clouds...let me see if I can

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q654/tanwnjuan/EBAY/all%20legs/29.jpg

add it in. It should show up, but if not, I will hunt down the image after work and make sure you see it!!!!!

AFM...ever since my brother's accident/finding out more on the baby's kidney and bladder, I have been dealing with the 2 am wakeup and stayup. I think that last night might have been the most solid sleep yet...but then I woke up to a dismal ending sex dream about hubby...wanted to go on an angry rampage the moment I got up!!! Lol, pregnancy brings out the best :)
As a side note, my brother is healing up...we will know more in the next 3-4 weeks, but as for now, things are looking good!!!

Gecon....I know you are laying low too, thinking of you and wishing you well!!!

Mathilde, when do you get your big, BIG scan? Fingers still crossed for you!

[Charlee]

Ladybug - SO glad to hear things are moving smoothly for you AND your brother! I've been keeping you both in my thoughts and sending all positive energy your way :)

You are going to have the ultimate prize at the end of all this crazy stress.. a little Ladybug to hug and squeeze! I know it's been a rollercoaster but you will come out on top... I PROMISE. :)

How is everyone else coming along? GeCon where are you? Hiding out since your news?? I did that too :hide:

DH and I decided that DS3 looks exactly like DS1&2 LOL... they looked identical as newborns, which is funny since they look so different now! I will post a pic if you guys want to see (my fb friends already know!) ... but I can tell already that this one is going to look exactly the same! Modern technology is so cool :)

Is anyone going to do a 4D scan later in pregnancy for baby photos?? I'm contemplating it but I feel like I want at least a little surprise on his birthday... if I already know what he looks like then there's no surprise left!

[GeCon]

Hi ladies,

I am here. I haven't been hiding. :) We have been away for a bit more than a week and since then things have just been busy. Didn't really have time to post.

Had our 20 week scan earlier and thankfully all is well with our little man. And although he was sitting cross-legged and according to the doctor didn't allow as good a view as 3 weeks ago, I am pretty confident that he is still a he.

Also reached our 20 week milestone today and our wee man is now the size of a cantaloupe. :)

[bunnywabbit]

Thank you so much for your support and kind words, girls. As stange as it sounds, I'm doing pretty well. For right now, I feel like the kid that's been told that they're not going to the park today. Horrible - had a cry about it, but telling myself it will happen soon. Not trying to play down what happened, but it could be worse. Much, much worse. DH is taking it a lot worse than I am - he's been drifting between irate/miserable and very quiet. Time will heal, but he's concerned something is very wrong somewhere, especially since it's the same week we lost the previous one.

Went to the doctors and brought up that I was worried there's something wrong with me why I m/c on the same week as the last one. They usually refer for checks on the 3rd m/c but as I mentioned I don't have a huge amount of time to be playing with, especially if we decide to try for a second LO and I think I may have had a couple of m/c in 2009, she said she'd refer me. Might not get an appointment until around October though, but hey, it's all in motion. I can't still try until October, right? Who knows, I could be going there for scans instead!

Thanks again all, and hoping you and your attempts/bumps are doing well xx

[Waiting4Daisy]

Pixi I think I see a girl nub on to one

[Waiting4Daisy]

Aw Bunnywabbit so sorry for your loss. You girls who have been dealt losses are soooooooo amazingly strong. Total admiration for you are.

[GeCon]

Here is an extract of the gender part of the scan. Doctor might not have thought it was as clear as last time, but I think it is still obvious enough for us to buy a pram in boy colours, don't you agree, ladies? Excuse the quality and camera shake, had to compress the video and OH had to deal with narky, tired toddler whilst filming.

Video starts with our 1st witnessed hiccups of our little man. Sooo cute...

http://s269.photobucket.com/user/roddypiper_photos/media/2nd%20Pregnancy/Scan290813_zps19aa8998.mp4.html

I was still a teeny-weeny bit hoping that there may be a chance of it being a girl, which has partly got to do with the fact that we are struggling to find a boys name we like, but had one ready for a girl... *sigh* Oh well, we have another 20 weeks to find one, I suppose...

[Mathilde]

Ladybugs: you are wonderful:)
Afm: struggling with names too.. Don't like any really.. Hugs m
Getting fat though;)

[meeks32]

AFM all our shipping arrived yesterday (yippee) but DH had to work all day so i was running up and downstairs like a mad thing trying to get it all done properly. I am now in stupidly bad pain one side of my pelvis evrytime i take a step. Pretty sure i is just PSD rather than anything more serious but OW! I had it with DS2 but nit till 32 weeks or something. The doc then said limit how much I go up stairs and never do anything on one leg or hold a child on one hip. Now that we live on a 4 storey house with a clingy 2 year old that might be a bit tricky. I will try to avoid carrying him upstairs whilst on one leg though! :)

Meeks I have a doc app next week and he has a scan in his office which he just uses to listen to the heart but i might see if i can sweet talk him:)

LOL you always make me laugh. " will try to avoid carrying him upstairs whilst on one leg though" haha that is so me. With ds2 I had such bad pelvic and sciatic pain I would stumble around the house clinging to benchtops to get around, then wonder why... of course I lifted ds1 in and out of the car, bed, high chair, carried him if he was whinging, etc. This time at 15 weeks its already so bad I can't stand on one leg and lift the other leg to put on my undies! I have to sit down on the bed like an 80 year old and groan while doing it. Its just so sexy. lol

4 story home should make that SO much easier for you, NOT! But making it a priority and being conscious of it will help, no doubt, you won't be allowed those nesting moments where you carry a bookcase upstairs by yourself because it simply must be done RIGHT NOW, not in 2hrs when DH gets home. Not that I would have ever been that silly *cough yesIdid cough*.

[Charlee]

Meeks you crack me up! haha :)

She's right though Emily... do NOT unpack that house by yourself!!!! I've done it enough times to know... you will be in a world of pain my dear LOL... Actually, you'll end up in my boat and then you'll be sorry! hahaha

[Charlee]

Hi GeCon :wave: Glad all is well! I didn't watch the video but if the consensus is blue by 20 weeks I would feel confident in buying the big items in blue! I did it at 14 weeks :)

[Emily]

LOL you always make me laugh. " will try to avoid carrying him upstairs whilst on one leg though" haha that is so me. With ds2 I had such bad pelvic and sciatic pain I would stumble around the house clinging to benchtops to get around, then wonder why... of course I lifted ds1 in and out of the car, bed, high chair, carried him if he was whinging, etc. This time at 15 weeks its already so bad I can't stand on one leg and lift the other leg to put on my undies! I have to sit down on the bed like an 80 year old and groan while doing it. Its just so sexy. lol

4 story home should make that SO much easier for you, NOT! But making it a priority and being conscious of it will help, no doubt, you won't be allowed those nesting moments where you carry a bookcase upstairs by yourself because it simply must be done RIGHT NOW, not in 2hrs when DH gets home. Not that I would have ever been that silly *cough yesIdid cough*.

It is so annoying isnt it? I kind of brought it on myself doing the karate moves at DS1s self defense class to give him confidence (I know how stupid I sound LOL), unpacking etc but still have to get my head around being limited physically due to pregnancy. I promise not to carry any bookcases and amtrying to interest DS2 in duplo, blocks and colouring this morning rather than running games.

mathilde I feel fat too! I must have been really big with DS1 and 2 though as I am still not big enough for most of my maternity clothes but my normal jeans and skirts are getting pretty tight! I think th ebump must have been lower with my boys as I have got pg at the beginning of April with all three so you'd think I would be perfectly set for clothes.

[myrainbowgirl]

Ladybugs - Aww, rainbows! So sweet and adorable! :) Thank you for thinking of me! How are you feeling?

Mathilde - Yes, when will you get your big scan??

Bunnywabbit - So glad you're feeling ok...and that you have a plan of action should there be some sort of problem, although chemicals are very common and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the next one sticks!

Emily - Ugh, be careful going up and down so many stairs! Try not to overdo it!

Charlee - Same for you...rest up!!

GeCon - I tried to look at your video, and it just wasn't showing up on photobucket. I saw some other photos of baby, and your pg tests, etc...assuming I was looking at your stuff? But the video wouldn't show. Sorry! Bummer you didn't get 100% confirmation. But, based on your first pic, I would agree probably boy. If you're not convinced (and I don't blame you), could you pay for a private scan, just to be sure?

Meeks - You don't need confirmation...you've got a little pink one in there! :)

[Mathilde]

Big scan on the 20th of september:)

[I Love Ladybugs]

Charlee...holding you to your promise!!!!!! I am learning through this pregnancy the rollercoaster that it can be.....how scary hearing chromosomal issues and knowing that my hubby is scared and can't be my best suppport when I need it. I have to cling to the hope that my ladybug is going to land in my arms in 15 weeks time and it will be worth the wait.

I know that these babies are all just that....worth the wait!!!!! The cuddles are going to melt us to bits!!

Mathilde...you are too sweet! I want to be the support I know that is needed, especially when IRL GD (both desire and disappointment) is not understood. I have been on both sides of the coin in the pregnancy, and it hurts both ways. I wanted my little boy to be as welcomed as a girl would be...

and her health concerns are so diminished in light of her gender.


Emily.....I tend to go overboard too, I might not pull a Meeks and try to move the big furniture ;) but lately, I can't just stop going. Even when I need to rest, even when I feel too tired...so my goal of the last week is to set a limit with what needs to be done and leave it nightly at that. It might mean tackling it before work the next day....or not get done...gasp!!!!

Gecon....like I said before, I am not the gender guessing good girl, except when it came to my DS2....that beans and frank was obvious. I did though grasp that I did not see that....and even had the pink dream on his birthday.....lol, the fact that he was for sure boy was blatant and I was somewhat in denial. I only bought a few items when waiting.....and indulged my shopping when he showed up!! You sound like one busy girl!!!

Bunnywabbit.....if you can get testing early than the 3 goes...I say go for it. Our recurrent loss testing revealed nothing...but it was there to rule out that things could be causing the losses. The m/cs taught me more about me....and how I am determined to reach my goals....and that our stories are not over just yet.

Time to hit the hay...be back tomorrow.... sending out hugs to all!!!

[I Love Ladybugs]

Myrainbowgirl...I was typing my novel while you wrote yours....I am glad you like the babylegs...they are perfect for a rainbow baby or mommy who adores them!!! I keep on seeing them in my mind and think of you. There is also the multi-colour ones that are "rainbow", but they reminded me more of Rainbow Brite.

I am trying to keep up my cheer at work, the clean at home and the energy to be a good mommy. I look forward to Friday nights and the early bedtime I get when Dh goes to work. Only 8 more weeks at work.....then mat leave begins!!!

Add me to the "fat" feeling, saw a patient with the perfect preggo belly...I sure don't look like that.

[GeCon]

Thanks for all your comments, ladies.

Not sure why the video is not working for you. Try again:

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj63/roddypiper_photos/2nd%20Pregnancy/th_Scan290813_zps19aa8998.jpg (http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj63/roddypiper_photos/2nd%20Pregnancy/Scan290813_zps19aa8998.mp4)

Scan290813_zps19aa8998.mp4 Video by roddypiper_photos | Photobucket (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/roddypiper_photos/media/2nd%20Pregnancy/Scan290813_zps19aa8998.mp4.html)

I am not sure if I would get another scan. I am not sure why the doctor didn't think it was as clear as last time, but to me it looks pretty clear.

I appreciate your input.

[2lovelyboys]

GeCon I'm still thinking boy! You can always buy blue and take it back if necessary?

Ladies ladies ladies what are you doing with all the furniture moving?! Gonna be busy enough in a few weeks, chill! Need to take my own advice, rearranging bedrooms at the moment hee hee :)

This time last week I barely looked pregnant, bump was tiny, in the past 7 days I have put on 5llbs and ballooned, have treated myself to some new maternity kit :)

[GeCon]

I am pretty confident it is a boy, as I said maybe there was a teeny bit of hope when he was sitting cross-legged and she couldn't see anything, but in the end I thought it was quite clear.

[bunnywabbit]

Dumb question for you: Cycle of m/c, which day would you take as CD 1? The day bleeding starts or the 1st full day of bleeding? I started bleeding in the afternoon...

[Tree]

Dumb question for you: Cycle of m/c, which day would you take as CD 1? The day bleeding starts or the 1st full day of bleeding? I started bleeding in the afternoon...

With periods I think you're meant to count day 1 as full bleeding as apposed to spotting. I'm so sorry for your loss!!

[bunnywabbit]

With periods I think you're meant to count day 1 as full bleeding as apposed to spotting. I'm so sorry for your loss!!

That's what I was thinking but didn't know if that also applied to m/c. Thanks! x

[Emily]

That is what the doctor told me after my chemical bunnywabbit. He also said that my cycle might not return to normal immediately. Actually in my case it did go back almost immediately but everyone is different. I must have missed the update confirming your loss. I am so sorry it is horrible. Let yourself cry and remember it was nothing that you did. Hugs.

[myrainbowgirl]

Bunnywabbit - Yes, I would count first day of red blood. I hope you're doing ok!

Everyone else - hi!

AFM - Had a rough day yesterday. GD was really kicking my butt. Not sure what was going on...had a big rant and cry to DH, but didn't feel much better afterward. Woke up this morning feeling a bit better. Today is a new day! Gotta give myself time...it's a process!

[meeks32]

Dumb question for you: Cycle of m/c, which day would you take as CD 1? The day bleeding starts or the 1st full day of bleeding? I started bleeding in the afternoon...

Like em and rainbow said, count it from the first day of red blood, not spotting. In my case the spotting only ever lasted a few hours then turned into light red flow so it was easy to distinguish. I was told the same as em with my 4 chemicals, but like her, my cycle returned to normal anyway. Although my cycle was always a bit whacked so normal wasn't exactly normal. But nothing unusual for me. Often it can delay o, so don't worry if you ov later than usual this cycle.

hugs

[thehappypixi]

Helloooo all! I've been camping since Wednesday so just catching up, hope everyone is well!
Got some crazy cool news, my sister in law just found out she is 13 weeks pregnant! Due three days before me!! She thought she had a stomach bug or stress, went to docs who insisted on an internal scan to rule out pregnancy (she's still feeding her son) as she hasn't had AF, and LO and behold! Child on board! She has one of each but I know she would like another girl, I so hope hope hope we both get one ;D

[Mathilde]

Hi all! Went to my friends the vet yesterday to let her play around on me learning her new us maschine, and the baby was very quiet with legs closed tight the whole time!! My friend isn't the best yet(!) and could hardly decifer what she saw ie: " that must be the scull, but its completely empty!!" Lol!! Still think I saw a boy potty shot though.. Tired, hips kicking up if I do too much, like this weekend.. 18 days to go until proper scan..

[I Love Ladybugs]

My hubby fixed my computer......lol, I was using one with a broken screen, poor battery etc. and he finally got around to making this other one better. The internet is speedier on it too...so I will be able to catch up and post more often!!!

Mathilde....as I found out 8 weeks ago, u/s tech do range!! I marvel at the ability to decipher images that are quite a jumble to me.....but it would be great fun to be scanning babies all day long :) Sending you OLV in 17 days time!!!

Happypixi...you are so sweet to be happy for you SIL....I am actually relieved that my SIL is not preggo the same time as me for the 3rd time in a row. Most likely she will get a baby in her belly before mine is out just like with both of our boys, but I can wish that it is a little delayed and my baby can be the only baby for a bit. Selfish, but true...you are way more lovely than me to be so positive about the gender too!!!

2lovely..we need to see pix of those maternity wear!!!

Bunnywabbit...lots of hugs to you. We will all be celebrating with you when you do conceive your baby that is one sticky little bean. I remember feeling very concerned after the second loss that I would never be a mom....you will be..we have faith!!!!

[Mathilde]

I´m home sick today, woke up with a sore throat, headache and a little fever, quite supprized really as I felt fine yesterday.. Have been in bed, sleeping, eating leftovers and nubsessing.. Can honestly say that I´m driving myself mad with this not knowing for sure. I was really set out to seeing boy bits on monday, just to put the dream to rest. Feel terrible not knowing. Could never be team green;) Want to know to be able to begin the process of getting through my terrible GD, because I am so positive that it is another boy, but the last 1% doubt is really a strong flame keeping my dream alive. On the other hand I do not want to know because then the dream can still come true? You know? Anyways 16 days to go.. Getting quiet on here lately, anyone else very thirsty, having to limit intake in the evenings, if not I get up at all times of the night:)
Mathilde