Due in Mar/April/May 2015

[kitkat18]

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[kitkat18]

Here is Miss Hazel, seven weeks old already ( still rocking a very full head of hair) time has flown by!! How is everybody? Xx

[Georgia_Peach]

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Here is miss Adalynn Grace.
She is just shy of 3 months now. Where has the time gone! She is 14 pounds. And is 98% taller than most babies her age accirding to her doc. Lol . My babies are never small. She sleeps through the night mostly but only naps in the day for like 30 min a time. But no complaints. She is a happy baby.
How is everyone else doing?
Kitkat Hazel is adorable! !

[Babybeaublue]

Oh my goodness those babies are too too sweet!!! :kiss::HH:

[kitkat18]

Robin Miss Adalynn is so beautiful!! And lucky you ( jealous) she is sleeping through. You can cope with anything if nights are good.
Baby beau how is your princess doing? Do your older girls dote on her?
Primal how are you recovering from your section?
Xx

[PrimalMamma]

Yep I'm pretty good now kitkat. Felix is 2 weeks old now & has developed reflux & a windy tummy which is pretty disappointing for everyone but at least it means I have to clean up my diet. I've eliminated dairy, grains (especially gluten), legumes, capsicum, garlic & onion & hoping I don't have to go too much further than that. I've also introduced more fermented foods again (kefir & sauerkraut) which I needed to do for my own good anyway after all the antibiotics from the caesarean but I was being lazy. He has a lot of issues with really violent hiccups too so I'm taking him to the Chiropractor today, it helped Darcy enormously who had the same issues as a baby.
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[kitkat18]

Primal your boys are so gorgeous! And Felix is soooo cute! I have had a very windy baby here too its been much harder this time round especially the NOT sleeping at night. She seems a lot better at 7 weeks. Hope the chiropractor makes a big difference, I have heard they can work miracles! Xx

[covered in blue]

I'm melting here! Your babies are so gorgeous ladies Xx

[kitkat18]

Covered in blue are you TTC now? x

[covered in blue]

Yes :). I'm CD5 of second month. Xx

[PrimalMamma]

I had to go to the shops Today & I was carrying Felix in a wrap. An old lady asked how old he was & then asked if he was a boy or a girl. I said a boy & she looked at Eamon & said "Oh ANOTHER boy, I bet you were disappointed, TWO boys" and I said "Actually I have THREE boys, the eldest one is at school & I couldn't be LESS disappointed if I tried. They're wonderful." And she said - and I am not joking - that she would have shot herself if she had 3 boys.


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[Babybeaublue]

What a f**king old witch. Tell her to piss off and die, the miserable crone.sorry, just makes me so mad!!:hair:
I bet she's a lonely old git. She'd have shit a brick if she knew I had 5 the same lol
Kitkat my 9 year old (DD2) is besotted with the baby the others love her but she's the one who wants to look after her, and goes on about how cute she is lol
Must be something about all of us bcos she's very windy too. I'm back to 95% breastfeeding after all the drama at the start. It still hurts for a few seconds then is ok. Not sure why?

[Rosie85]

I had to go to the shops Today & I was carrying Felix in a wrap. An old lady asked how old he was & then asked if he was a boy or a girl. I said a boy & she looked at Eamon & said "Oh ANOTHER boy, I bet you were disappointed, TWO boys" and I said "Actually I have THREE boys, the eldest one is at school & I couldn't be LESS disappointed if I tried. They're wonderful." And she said - and I am not joking - that she would have shot herself if she had 3 boys.


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Omg!!!!! I would have gone totally batshit crazy on her! What a horrible disgusting thing to say. I probably would have retorted with something like her kids would be better off then (if she shot herself) Haha! Yup i am horrible!

[kitkat18]

Covered in Blue, super excited for you!
Baby Beau that's so lovely your 9 yr old is in love! My 7.5 yr old loves her too its super special ( my 5 yr old ignores her totally).
Awesome BF has worked out for you, probably just your nipples getting use to your babies latch?
Primal I would have been so mad what a horrible horrible cow. Sounds you handled the situation really well I would have wanted to swear at her!!!
Really people like that don't deserve our time at all.
Big hugs!
What are you ladies doing to treat the wind? Xx

[BlessedMomma]

Omg, I would of lost it if I were you. Why do people think they can say such hurtful things?? Ridiculous

[PrimalMamma]

I was so shocked I just went "oh." And I'm so annoyed at myself I keep thinking of all sorts of witty retorts I could have made but too little, too late. I took Felix to a pediatric chiropractor yesterday for his wind. They were miracle workers with Darcy. She released his diaphragm, he did an enormous belch & fell asleep in my arms almost instantly. He slept for about 6 hours straight! Then woke up and started going the other end - big loud farts & poos for ages. He was in a bit of pain getting it all out but his little belly looked so much better than it had done and was so much softer, it had been like a balloon stretched to maximum inflation point. We had a restless night last night but I think that was because he had slept all day. I'm hoping he continues to get relief from it, we are taking him back in a week.



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[Sunflower3]

If I had a dime for every time someone else I'd shot myself with all boys...3 boys 4 boys etc. now that I have 4 it's worse. My comments are I love all boys. I'm the queen of the castle. I'm one away from a basketball team. MY buys are the next jk as brothers. Etc etc etc. people are cruel aren't they? Sorry it happened to you primal.


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[Babybeaublue]

How is everyone?
I'm still really annoyed at things I didn't get to do and how my birth went. Just found out dh asked to cut babys cord and was ignored, midwife went ahead and did it. I never got my water birth (again) despite asking again and again. This was my first time at that hospital and it was exactly how I imagined. No help with b/feeding and no pain relief offered for afterpains which were the worst I've ever had (plus the fact I had the placenta removed manually with only gas and air) no little card with babys details on it for her cot and I didn't even get any ID wristband. Useless.

[kitkat18]

Baby beau I am so sorry that you didn't get the birth you wished for. It seems that a lot of mothers are feeling disgruntled at how they were treated here in NZ as well. Perhaps you should write them a letter or email it might be healing for you. We are good Hazel is smiling a lot and cooing which makes it all worthwhile! Xxx

[Boysway]

That's terrible beau. I would making a complaint. It's your right to have your choice, it was your labour!

[PrimalMamma]

What country are you in Babybeau? That's abysmal.


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[Babybeaublue]

(NHS hospital) The hospital I had my other 4 in changed to a midwifery led unit, so they wouldn't let me give birth there because I have a fibroid. I was gutted.

[PrimalMamma]

Well it's slowed down considerably in here. I hope everyone is enjoying their newborns. As people are no longer posting I'm going to stop checking the group, and as I'm done having babies I am getting off Gender Dreaming all together. It's been a pleasure getting to know you ladies & following your journeys. Congratulations to everyone, regardless of whether you were able to achieve your desired gender or not. Natelle xx


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[Boysway]

Wishing you all the best Primal xx

[kitkat18]

:( Primal we will miss you best of luck with the future and your three gorgeous boys! May you have lots of adventures! Xxx

[Babybeaublue]

Good luck Primal in everything you do x
I'm missing the excitement of everyone being ready to have their babies lol I'm still a bit depressed at the thought of not having any more too :(

[kitkat18]

Me too babybeau! :( this is my LO and I'm trying to enjoy every minute knowing I will never be pregnant or hold my own newborn baby again. Boohoo! Xx

[Babybeaublue]

I swear, if one more person asks if I'm going to "try for a boy" I think I might rip their head off. Dh got "I bet you wanted a boy this time" how rude. My precious dd is not the booby prize, we would not change any of our kids for the world. I want a boy, yes; but i want a boy AS WELL as my girls, not instead of ffs. Funny thing is, dh only ever wanted a boy for me, he couldn't give a shit if he had 10 girls lol

[BlessedMomma]

Sorry ladies I've been mia.
We recently moved into a new house, so moving with 3 little ones is not easy. I also didn't have Internet for a little while.

Primal, enjoy those little ones, and I wish you well.

When looking for this group I almost clicked the maraprmay2016 group. Makes me sad :( I do miss the excitement of ttc and being pregnant.

I hope all you ladies are well. I'm always going to come check back, especially now that life is less hectic.

[Babybeaublue]

Couldn't agree more blessed. Seeing the new group made me feel quite sad. On another crappy note, I have mastitis. Happy happy days.

[BlessedMomma]

Oh no :( I hope it clears up quickly beau!

[Babybeaublue]

Have antibiotics for 10 days but they are giving baby diahorrea :( feeling better myself but guilty for her..

[PrimalMamma]

Well... So much for staying off here. DH & I are now talking HT!!! [emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]


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[Georgia_Peach]

What's HT primal?

I still come on here every now and again too. My baby girl is 4 months abd weighs almost 18 pounds. She's a chunky monkey but is also taller than 98%of other babies her age. (Thank goodness! ).
How is everyone else!?

[PrimalMamma]

Hi tech Robin. Probably through Thailand, U.S. is way out of our league.


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[Georgia_Peach]

Good for you primal. We are considering a fourth but not conceiving until next year. I am going to go see that pshycic that I saw before that predicted my girl, to see what she thinks. Not putting all my eggs in that basket but we are on the fence about one more. 3 kids is great but I still feel like I could go one more!

[Babybeaublue]

Oh Primal is Thailand much cheaper? What is their success rate? I cried putting my maternity clothes away.. so not done

[PrimalMamma]

Are you in Australia BabyBeau? If so check out this

Gender Selection & Family Balancing /// Global Health Travel (http://www.globalhealthtravel.com.au/treatments/fertility-treatment/gender-selection)

All up would cost around $20,000AU including flights and accommodation. I contacted SART directly & they were very nice, it's actually cheaper going through a package deal than organizing it yourself. For the gender the success rate is 99.9%. Actual conception is about 52% but as they said that includes couples with fertility issues, for fertile people it is much higher. Also, to store embryos I case the first attempt is not successful is ridiculously cheap - less than $100 AU a year.


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[PrimalMamma]

I wrote a big long reply & it bloody disappeared [emoji30]

Are you in Australia BabyBeau? If so have a look at this link.

Gender Selection & Family Balancing /// Global Health Travel (http://www.globalhealthtravel.com.au/treatments/fertility-treatment/gender-selection)

I've been in touch with SAART directly & it's actually cheaper to do it through the package than organizing it yourself.

All up around $20,000Au including airfares and accommodation. Any extra embryos can be frozen & stored for less than $100Au per year.

Success rates are 99.9% for gender and around 52% for conception but that includes people going for fertility treatment also, they said fertile people have much higher success with conception.


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[PrimalMamma]

This is the THIRD attempt at trying to reply to you BabyBeau. Bloody Tapatalk! I'm now on my computer. OK...

Are you in Australia? Because that's where I am so obviously I'm talking Australian dollars here. If you're in AU, have a look at this website:

Gender Selection & Family Balancing /// Global Health Travel (http://www.globalhealthtravel.com.au/treatments/fertility-treatment/gender-selection)

I contacted SART directly and they gave me all the cost in Thai Bhart as well. It's actually cheaper to do a package deal for treatment plus accommodation through Global Health Travel than to go direct (assuming GHT's prices are up to date). GHT also offers FINANCE (!) for everything except the airfares but from Australia they're pretty inexpensive, probably around $3000 for 2 people return, possibly less if you manage to catch a sale. Including airfares the cost would be around AU$20,000. Prior to going you need to see an OBGYN here in Australia to have some blood tests done for both you & DH (for HIV, hepatitis etc etc) an up-to-date pap smear & an internal vaginal ultrasound. SART works with an IVF OBGYN in Sydney, and I'm yet to clarify if you MUST go to that OBGYN or if they are happy to collaborate with any OBGYN in Australia. Obviously there may be limitations on whether or not the OBGYNs here would themselves be happy to collaborate with SART.

Annnnyway, once you've had it all done, you can store any remaining embryos for the ridiculously low cost of about $65 a year (yes I'm serious) and to go back for more of those implanted if the first one doesn't take would be HEAPS less, probably $5000 or so (plus airfares on top, but you could save money by going alone if you wanted to, DH wouldn't need to come for a second attempt as they embryos are obviously already there). Time away would be less too as they don't need to stimulate the eggs, harvest, fertilise etc etc.

Regarding success rates - for chosen gender, the success rate is 99.9%. For actual conception it is 52% BUT this includes ALL IVF, including that done for infertility and so on. They said to me that given that we are healthy & fertile, conception would be significantly more likely for us.

Right now we are not sure what to do, with a 9 week old it's very difficult to see past the sleepless nights etc to being willing to do it all again... except that it would definitely be for a GIRL in which case that makes it much more appealing. For us, it would mean either selling our house to get a bigger one, or renovating our current house as we only have 3 bedrooms as it is. We would also need a new car. It's a LOT to spend, on top of the $20,000 we would have to fork out for the treatment, which may or may not be successful.

I've also started studying at University, I have a Bachelor of Arts already & I'm now studying for a post graduate qualification in Education so I can be a teacher. It's going well so far but I'm only doing one subject at a time & I have to go back to work next year so it is all a bit much... can I add another child to that? Not to mention we would have to do this in the next 2-3 years... can I manage a toddler AND a newborn AND 2 school aged children AND work AND study...???? Can my body handle ANOTHER caesarean??? I just don't know.

[kitkat18]

Primal welcome back!! Thailand sounds like a great option and well worth doing all the research. I guess life is pretty crazy right now for all of us but if you think you desire just one more I say go for it!! Everything will fall into place. Robin will you sway again? Or just leave it to chance....
Baby beau sorry about your mastitis ouch!
I'm all done Boohoo I'm really enjoying Hazel but missing work and having a sliver of my own life so I'm pretty sure this is my lot ( still sad giving away her clothes and bassinet etc). Nice to hear from everyone Xxx

[HopingForHairbows]

Primal - I'm so excited for you. Talking HT is a big deal. Don't let yourself worry too much. All of that stuff will fall into place I promise.

KitKat- I so know how you feel. DH and I keep saying we are done but I can't bring myself to make that official. I've gone back to work but only 15 hours a week which is a nice break in a way but I know I couldn't do much more than that because having 2 under 2 plus having the older boys on summer break has been more work than I expected.


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[PrimalMamma]

I feel horrible for saying it but if I had done my research before hand we would have done it this time. I wouldn't change Felix now of course, BUT, I feel like 3 is our perfect number & I haven't had any trouble at all handing off baby items. I feel "done" as far as numbers go but with the option of HT there I feel like we might regret not going for it later on. Four kids isn't THAT many. It's not like 8 kids or 10 kids. Lots of people have 4 kids. And lots of people accidentally have more kids than they were planning. So we could have one more than we were planning. I'm sure we would cope emotionally I'm just not sure about financially. We don't have a whole lot of money as it is. We would have to Take out a loan to fund the HT which we could do but life doesn't stop there, we would then have to fund another round of Maternity Leave, another mouth to feed, another set of school costs, another kid to send to sports or music or whatever. And family holidays - it's another airfare, a bigger car to hire, an extra mouth at the restaurant, another birthday party... I hope it doesn't sound shallow but it's just stuff I didn't think about much for the 3 boys because we always intended on having 3 kids. We never intended on 4.

[Babybeaublue]

I'm in the UK Primal so don't know how that would work as far as going to see a dr over here. As far as money goes, you always manage. As far as a bigger car goes - we couldn't afford an 8 seater we already have a 7 seater which there are loads of out there at a decent price, 8 seats, not so much :/

[PrimalMamma]

Yeah the car is a problem. I've seen some recent year second hand (like 2012, 2013) 8 seaters for good prices, that will probably be how we do it as there's no way I want to spend a kajillion dollars on a car. And isn't that funny - I thought Gender Selection was available in the UK! Obviously not. [emoji22]


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[Babybeaublue]

No its illegal here except for genetic reasons.
Someone is looking in to moon signs re gender and aparently I O'd in boy sign turning to girl sign that night. Don't know if I really believe in all that but it makes u think..

[Babybeaublue]

Just recieved this!!! 26446

[lyagirl]

Hey all! Well my little boy (no3) is now 12 weeks old. As soon as we found out we were having another boy my DH said that he would support my dream of having a girl and we will go HT. I've supported enough of his dreams! We will probably get to go to America maybe end of next year or early 2017. It actually means that I can enjoy my little boy so much more and enjoy him being here because I know that one day I will get my little girl.

I'm trying to understand some of the HT lingo but it's not easy at all, I think it's going to take me awhile to understand it all. I'm not telling anybody around here apart from my DH obviously, I know I will be judged for it.


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[PrimalMamma]

I know the feeling lyagirl. Big decision. Congrats x


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[BlessedMomma]

Good luck to you primal and lya when and if you decide to go the ht route.

I hope all of the little babies and mommas are doing well.

[Babybeaublue]

I am devastated. My cousin is in hospital waiting to give birth to her baby girl who died yesterday. She was supposed to go in on Thursday to be induced and then was told yesterday....

[Mrs_Incredible]

Oh honey that is devastating and heartbreaking, rip sweet baby, hugs to you all xx

[kitkat18]

I'm so sorry beau and for your family how truly devastating Xxx

[PrimalMamma]

Oh gosh that is truly awful BabyBeau. My most sincere condolences to all involved.


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