January 2WW

[XXforhubby]

Hi ladies,

I noticed the January 2ww hasn't been started. I know there will be a few of us. Please feel free to join in and welcome to all the new ladies ttcing. Good Luck everyone, and I am hoping we start the New Year off to more BFPs!


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[Mars]

Hi! Sorry to hear December didn't work out for you.

I should O around New Year's Eve so trying to stick to the diet this week. Ha! It's going to be very difficult with Xmas on Thursday.

[XXforhubby]

Thanks Mars! I hope January works for us!! Keeping FX for you Mars!


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[maidentomother]

CD1 again for me. I expect I'll O between the 5th and 10th again, though being off the Vitex over a week could delay things further. Should I go back on or stay off?

XX, the concert near me has a VIP option. So I'm for sure getting it and going on Saturday. As for Friday, I will try to do that as well. There's no VIP option in Munich, though I can buy stadium seats for a bit extra. It's an oval shaped olympic stadium. Any idea what seats would be best? I've never been in a stadium for a concert. If you search ticketmaster.de for Rockavaria in May 2015 you can see the seating plan. Greyed out is already taken, blue is available. Or if that's a hassle I'll link you from my laptop, my tablet doesn't do popups.

I just read your last post in the Dec 2WW thread, how scary about the seizures! I had a mini-stroke on the Ortho Evra patch so I am convinced hormonal birth control is evil. For many other reasons, too. Let's hope off everything your body returns to its normal, healthy, fertile state.

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I would say D1-I1 would be good. Make sure that it is not on the upper levels too much, because it makes it too hard to see what is happening on stage. Basically, in stadiums level 1-3 are good, but any thing higher you will need binoculars.

GL, I am excited for you!!!


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[XXforhubby]

Oh, I prefer to face the stage. I have had seats off to the sides before and have been disappointed. I would rather have side stage facing seats though than to have seats too high up.

Hope this helps!!


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[maidentomother]

Awesome, thank you so much! I really, really appreciate the expert advice. :)

[tarasue]

So sorry you girls didn't get you Bfp last month... I hope to join you in the jan tww. Not sure where I am in my cycle since my mmc 2 weeks ago. I feel like I am having ovulation symptoms this week. Not ttc until my first complete cycle, so I may be more of a feb tww candidate.... But I may hang here with you all for the time being.

Maiden- I have seen Madonna several times, once floor, once facing the stage but in the uprights and this last time we were on the sides and could see everything going on behind the stage ads well as on stage, that was pretty good it was like seeing two different shows! The amount of work that goes into those productions is amazing! I love muse too, never seen them in concert though, my cousin has a band in St. Louis and they got to have a jam session with them a few years back. That's my two cents:)

[XXforhubby]

I am pretty certain that I will not be able to conceive until my FSH comes down. I got my results back yesterday and it was 45.4, which was higher than last month! Waiting for AMH to come back. We are perplexed, because DS1 is 4, DS2 is 18mo, I conceived them without problems, I get positive opks every month, my LP is 12-14 days, and I have NO other symptoms. The RE does NOT believe I am in menopause, like my FSH would indicate. She said it does not come about that quickly, and I would have had trouble conceiving my boys. She believes there is something else going on, since I have no symptoms of anything other than not getting pregnant. She wants me to see her partner who specializes with strange cases.

I am going to stick to the fertility diet, exercise, use opks (to make sure I am still getting a surge), and folic acid. As far as ttcing goes, we will just not use protection. I will not get a BFP until this gets worked out, and I need to take this off the table. I just want to connect with DH without getting my hopes up for nothing.

Thanks for listening and GL to everyone. Maybe there will still be some baby dust left for me when we get to the bottom of this.


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[maidentomother]

tarasue, I hope your body starts gearing up to O soon if it isn't already. I'm glad to see you back in the saddle. And thank you for the advice! My cousin was the lighting expert for Tina Turner for years, so I know a bit about the amazing production that goes into these shows. But I think I will probably prefer NOT to see behind the scenes, I like my illusions. An excellent point you brought up, though! I am super jealous of you seeing Madonna, she was my very first favourite artist and I still adore her. I have ALWAYS wanted to see her live, more than any other artist. Let's hope she keeps putting out albums!

XX, I'm so sorry to hear that your FSH is still so high, and how frustrating that you don't really know why. Is there anyway to suppress it, I wonder? Your plan sounds like a good balance to me. Watch, once you stop trying it'll happen...:p

I am back on Vitex since it arrived yesterday, I don't want to have delayed O this month and last time I went off Vitex that's what happened. I'm really hoping my 6 days off doesn't screw with anything. And I'm going to try exercising (just walking) since I feel healed enough now for that. Plus maybe some more hardcore intermittent fasting. I'd like to lose 5kg/10lbs, for my sway and also to see how my post op body looks at that weight.

[Blue-Blue-Pink?]

Sorry to hear about your trouble XX. Friends of mine also had trouble getting pregnant and when they did she often miscarried. They saw several doctors but nobody saw anything out of the ordinary. They were advised to just keep trying which they did and eventually they had their healthy baby. A girl offcourse.
Sometimes it's just like that apparantly without a reason
Ik hope it's the case for you too and I guess it will be! You have such positive attitude!
GL!

[XXforhubby]

Thank you Blue-Blue-Pink and Maiden, I am in a much better place. I am thankful I am seeing an RE that is very knowledgeable. I am going to keep the ttc girl philosophy going and leave the rest up to God. I know one thing- my two boys are the greatest gifts that I have been given, and they make me happy everyday. If they are all I am meant to have, well that ain't so bad! I am going to sit back, enjoy my family, and have fun everyday while I wait for the next step(s).

I will keep an eye out to see when you ladies get your BFP's

GL and FX for all of you!!!


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[tarasue]

Xx- sorry for being ignorant, but what us fsh?

My hcg tests came in today. I took one just to see if it still comes up positive, and it did:(. Very faint, but definitely a line.... It's an awful feeling, I didn't expect to get so upset from it. Seeing a positive pregnancy test, but knowing there is no baby. I have never wanted a negative test so bad in my life:/.

Does my hcg level have to be back to 0 for my body to ovulate? These tests are super sensitive, they show positive at 10 hcg.

[XXforhubby]

FSH is follicle stimulating hormone. When it is elevated, above 10, it means the body is working real hard to release an egg. Also, it can mean there are few eggs left. We don't think this is the case with me, since I have my two boys that are still so young, and I didn't have a problem conceiving them. I don't quite fit the mold typically seen with high FSH, because I get regular periods, get positive opks, have a LP of 12-14 days, and no symptoms of perimenopause.

We'll see. Waiting for AMH to come back to see if I have good eggs left. FX!!!!

Praying your HCG levels come down quickly Tarasue! If I can't get pregnant, I want all you ladies ttcing to so you can give me your left over baby dust! I need all the help I can get!!!


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[tarasue]

Thanks for explaining!!! Sorry you are having to deal with this issue. How did they figure out that there was a problem with your fsh?

[XXforhubby]

I made an appointment with an RE because I had not gotten a BFP after 4 cycles ttcing and not using protection for the previous 3 cycles. They did blood work on CD3 of cycle 5 ttcing and that is how they knew.


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[maidentomother]

XX, I got seats in A1, row 24 (lowest row w/ 2 seats together), seats 6&7 (closer to stage side of row). In my past experience with seats at a concert, there were a bunch of empty seats lower down & once the show started I walked down and snagged them. So hoping I can do that, then sell my tix to people for the other 2 days. And I got VIP tix for the festival near me, too. Set me back a bit but I am very excited!

Now what to do for NYE...thinking maybe clubbing in Berlin? Or somewhere in the Netherlands? I feel like I should make the most of my post op & pre pregnancy body while i can. Plus i can troll for potential sperm donors. :D I wish I could go to Sydney, or London, or even NYC (would be nice to speak English again, it's not easy hitting up men for sperm with imperfect German!), but still waiting on my renewed passport so I can't leave the EU, blah.

So, fun topic while we wait to O. If you were a single, childless, widowed woman of wealth, who would you choose as your sperm donor? Scenario 1, you can pick any man on the planet no matter how famous, married, or gay. Not that we are assuming sex will happen. Scenario 2, the real life way, via websites & friends & chance encounters, no sperm banks - must involve meeting in person. What traits would you look for, which would be dealbreakers?

(Note: being extremely picky, or discriminating as I prefer to call it, makes my search difficult. I have yet to meet my ideal donor, so I'm just going with 'acceptable' at the moment, unless/until I find someone better. )

[SweetLily]

TEMPERAMENT! you want a man with a personality you like...because it WILL come out in your child no matter what you do. So pick a personality over anything else!

[XXforhubby]

Awesome Maiden!! Hmm. For me, second the personality! So true! Good teeth, height (I wanted my boys to be taller than me), intelligent/successful, good facial features- well balanced structures, gentleness. My DH has a gentleness about him and both DSs are very empathetic for boys.


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[XXforhubby]

I am having a hard time. I feel that the odds are stacked against me...😪


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[maidentomother]

I agree about personality...I like gentle men, too. Very interesting that it comes out in the kids. I feel like no matter what I should avoid anxious types as I have enough anxiety myself! I also have a height + leanness obsession. I should go to Prague - Czech has the most beautiful people .(both sexes) of any country I've visited. But I haven't been anywhere in Scandinavia, for the record!

XX, you're worrying about the high FSH? Surely that can be fixed. Maybe it had to get worse before getting better? What isomer of inositol were you taking?

[XXforhubby]

We have SO much in common Maiden!!

Thanks for helping me stay positive. I was taking myo-inositol. It has a short half life, but not sure about how quickly it takes your hormones to readjust when discontinuing it.

It just figures that I am in the best shape of my life, I have a wonderful support system, I have fixed areas/relationships, my whole operating system has had an overhaul from the LE diet, and now I CAN'T get pregnant. WTH?! I swear Murphy's Law always has to rear it's ugly head.


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[QueenB3blue]

Just stopping by to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday season.

XX, wishing your body gets back to normal so you can get your BFP:)

I am just 4 dpo:) trying my best to stay busy to keep my mind of symptom spotting. For some reason I don't have a good feeling about catching the egg this time:-/

Good Luck to everyone waiting to O or test!!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

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Just 10 days since I began bleeding with my miscarriage. I miscarried at 10 weeks +3days. Could I really be ovulating now?!? I feel crampy and still have very scant amount of pinkish spotting following a D&C on December 23.

[QueenB3blue]

How long after had your test been sitting when you took this picture. I only ask because after my mc I was still getting positive hcg but they would show up about 10 minutes after I tested. I was getting weekly blood draws also, so I knew where my levels were.
Your opk is not positive yet but I would for sure keep testing:) it took weeks for my hcg to leave my system. But everyone is different.

[XXforhubby]

Ooh 2boys I am keeping everything crossed for you! I bet you will ovulate in a couple of days. I will be too! I hope we can be cycle buddies!!!


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

With my symptoms I am sure O is coming. I am unsure if it's even possible to conceive if Hcg is present in the body? The Hcg test did look positive when I went back and looked.

[QueenB3blue]

Your opk will pick up the hcg in your system. Giving you a false positive. I would keep testing with your hcg test until you get a negative. Atomic has reassured me a couple of times that you can't ovulate until your hcg is really low. I think she said close to 5.
I was a nervous wreck thinking I would miss my o also. But if you are still spotting chances are your lining isn't built up enough:)
Best Wishes!!

[QueenB3blue]

Well there is the hcg trigger shot that people take to make them ovulate. So I think it is possible. I have know idea what level it is:-/
Just remember your hormones are wacky now! I think it is even possible for your body to 'gear' up to o after a mc then decide it is not the right time. I went through a lot of hcg and opk test. The weekly blood draws helped also. My last draw was 8.8 then 3 days later I got my +opk.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

It's possible! My sister conceived two weeks after her miscarriage, she was only 6 weeks mind you, not sure if it makes a difference.

[XXforhubby]

I am signing off for now...it is not looking like DH and I can have anymore children on our own. DH and I aren't interested in using injections or donor eggs. I have an appointment with a top RE, but I am not sure of any other options available to us.

GL to the rest of you ladies, and I may be back if God can grant me one more tiny miracle....😪


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

I am signing off for now...it is not looking like DH and I can have anymore children on our own. DH and I aren't interested in using injections or donor eggs. I have an appointment with a top RE, but I am not sure of any other options available to us.

GL to the rest of you ladies, and I may be back if God can grant me one more tiny miracle....😪


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This is sad. What is going on?!? I haven't been following you lately.

[bre_cooper11]

Hi Ladies!
Headed in to our 2WW, too! It's our first round of ttc since our DD1 (which took 8 months). DH and I had decided on ttc for DD2 but we became pregnant the week we had decided to start trying in a few months, haha. & She is a wonderful addition!
We live in South Korea, so, I am a bit nervous having a baby here! I have a really good friend who gave birth here and she had great experience, hoping that is the case!

Im so sorry to hear XX! I agree with maiden, once you stop it will happen! I am sending tons of baby dust!!!

GL to everyone!

[XXforhubby]

2boys:

I am pretty certain that I will not be able to conceive until my FSH comes down. I got my results back yesterday and it was 45.4, which was higher than last month! My AMH is less than 0.3, which just came back today. We are perplexed, because DS1 is 4, DS2 is 18mo, I conceived them without problems, I get positive opks every month, my LP is 12-14 days, and I have NO other symptoms. The RE does NOT believe I am in menopause, like my FSH would indicate. She said it does not come about that quickly, and I would have had trouble conceiving my boys. She believes there is something else going on, since I have no symptoms of anything other than not getting pregnant. She wants me to see her partner who specializes with strange cases.


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

2boys:

I am pretty certain that I will not be able to conceive until my FSH comes down. I got my results back yesterday and it was 45.4, which was higher than last month! My AMH is less than 0.3, which just came back today. We are perplexed, because DS1 is 4, DS2 is 18mo, I conceived them without problems, I get positive opks every month, my LP is 12-14 days, and I have NO other symptoms. The RE does NOT believe I am in menopause, like my FSH would indicate. She said it does not come about that quickly, and I would have had trouble conceiving my boys. She believes there is something else going on, since I have no symptoms of anything other than not getting pregnant. She wants me to see her partner who specializes with strange cases.


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Oh ok. Well maybe there will be an answer from the specialist? One can hope and pray.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

We are going for an attempt! I feel like I am ovulating so it is worth a shot.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Hi tarasue. I just wanted to mention my sister got pregnant two weeks after her miscarriage. I feel like it depends on many things. For me, looking back on the last few days before I started bleeding with my miscarriage, I had some signs that now I chalk up to the loss. I felt "off" and really just not pregnant about 3 days before the spotting began. I feel like the pregnancy failed way before I had any bleeding so maybe that contributed to lower Hcg levels and early o? Makes sense in my head anyway. As soon as the baby doesn't have a heart beat the circulation stops between mom and babe and so the levels would begin to drop. That's is my theory anyway.

[maidentomother]

XX, I refuse to believe that you won't have more kids. REFUSE, I tell you! Take THAT, universe/wonky FSH levels!

I am hoping my cysts from last month resolved nicely but I'm afraid they haven't bc of the migraines I've been getting (again). I missed the damn testing window on my CBFM today (first CD, CD10, that I start testing) and it looks like I may already be at high looking at the tester. Im hoping I don't O really early! I was planning on trying BD every 3-4 days this month and using YesBaby lube as needed, and today will be my first attempt.

2boys, good luck with your attempt!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Good luck Maiden:)

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Happy New Year ladies! New year, new eggs, new sperm, new possibilities! 😉

[maidentomother]

Thank you, 2boys!

Oh and welcome bre, good luck conceiving a little boy. Lots of blue dust around here!

I forgot to say, I have been intermittent fasting (not completely fasting, but every other day I eat only around 300 cals, then I eat about 1800-2000 çals on my eating days). It's the fastest way for me to lose weight and it helps my pain, improves my mood and energy, plus I think it sways pink. I started fasting on CD2 so it's been over a week now - the first week is the hardest - today is the first fasting day I feel up to complete fasting, so we'll see how it goes! I have a lot of experience with IF but never while doing the LE as well, but I'm hoping I'll be able to stick with it.

[XXforhubby]

I do this too Maiden! Again, one more thing we have in common 😘!


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

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Wish I had waited to attempt today. The OPK is much darker and the Hcg is lighter. I hate over analyzing everything!!!!

[XXforhubby]

You are still good! FX you catch the egg with a pink sperm!


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[tarasue]

Hi tarasue. I just wanted to mention my sister got pregnant two weeks after her miscarriage. I feel like it depends on many things. For me, looking back on the last few days before I started bleeding with my miscarriage, I had some signs that now I chalk up to the loss. I felt "off" and really just not pregnant about 3 days before the spotting began. I feel like the pregnancy failed way before I had any bleeding so maybe that contributed to lower Hcg levels and early o? Makes sense in my head anyway. As soon as the baby doesn't have a heart beat the circulation stops between mom and babe and so the levels would begin to drop. That's is my theory anyway.


This confused me?? I have been on vacation for a few days and don't know what this is in response to?

I have about the same timeline as you 2boys. I think I had my dnc a few days before you, it was dec. 12. I didn't have opk tests with me in vacation, but going off cm and cp I think I ovulated this last Monday. Lots of cramping that day too. We are waiting a full cycle before ttc, we did dtd that morning, but dh pulled out. I am kinda nervous:/. My ob said just to wait two weeks after the dnc before ttc again, so we had the go ahead from her.

I haven't been doing anything as far as swaying this past couple weeks, so if for some crazy reason a sperm met egg, the only thing I have working for me is a recent miscarriage. I am getting back on track today! Doing my cardio as I type :). And it feels SO good to sweat again!!! Working out is my therapy, being on vacation and not doing anything physical takes a toll on my mental!

2boys I wish you the best of luck on catching your first egg! I went back and read some of the posts from last sept/oct/nov and we have a lot in common I think. I have a 2 & a 3 yr old boys as well.

Xx- I hope your situation gets better, how frustrating and not fair. Don't give up just yet. See a specialist and hopefully they have some answers.

Happy New Year Everyone!!! May 2015 be full of beautiful new babies!!!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Hi tarasue. I had just read your post about being 2 weeks post miscarriage is all. I was getting caught up as I wasn't expecting to be back here again:(

I am really hoping I get a BFP. It will help me heal and move forward after my loss. I can see why you chose to wait- I feel like I was 50/50 on it and my husband tilted me to do it. He just wants me to be happy and he wants our girl as much as I do, at least I think that sometimes! Probably just so I shutup about it. Lol.
I have cheated a lot during my short return to LE diet and I am glad for it, it's easier on the soul. I was just returning to my running program about 3 weeks before I miscarried and I miss that endorphin rush, but not enough to commit to the cardio I did for swaying. I just can't do it. As soon as I get a BFP I am back to the treadmill! Enjoy your sweat!

[maidentomother]

XX, are you serious? Most people think I'm crazy for IFing...you really know about it and have done it? I am astounded! Maybe you're my lost twin. ;)

2boys, I'm sure your attempt yesterday can still catch the egg, but I would attempt again in 3 days (but NO sooner) to cover your bases.

tarasue, I hope everything works out. I do believe miscarriage sways strongly pink.

My CBFM is being weird, it isn't asking for me to test and I can't figure out why. I reset it bc as usual I forgot to hit the button to start a new cycle when AF came. So it thinks I'm on CD7 but I'm on CD11. But why won't it let me test? Argh! I can't tell from looking at the tester stick today if it's Low or High. Yesterday I'm pretty sure it was Low but again, I can only guess visually which I know isn't ideal.

I am also using the CB advanced OPK for the first time this month. I had a blank circle/Low on CD10, then today on CD11 I got a flashing smiley! That really surprised me since I usually O around CD18. The earliest I've Oed in the past year is CD16, though I have Oed earlier before so anything is possible. Also my cheap OPKs already have fairly dark lines, much darker than normal for CD10-11.

[XXforhubby]

I always have a 14+ hour fast overnight. When IF, I usually eat between 2-4pm for my first meal on top of my overnight fast. I am catholic, and I started this when I was getting confirmed. I do this during lent, but I now do it while ttcing.

We are lost twins!!!


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[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I also got my first smiley on CD11, which was yesterday for me too!!! We must be related, at the very least cosmically related!!


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[maidentomother]

Are you using the CB advanced OPK or just the regular digital?

I definitely think we're cosmically related. I am Jewish so my first experience with fasting was Yom Kippur. The way I'm IFing now, is I fast for 36 hours, then eat for 12 hours, then fast for 36, and so on, always alternating. I do it that way since that is what was most successful in research and it makes sense to me. It means that the majority of the time my digestive system is at rest (at least when I am completely fasting!). I did successfully fast completely the last 36 hours - today is an eating day again.

[XXforhubby]

I use the CB regular digital. I do the same thing, fast for 36 hours and eat two meals the next day only, then fast for 36 hours. I find it easier for me if my sleep is included. If I need to have three meals, two are small and don't add up to one full meal. This is what I have to do while nursing and exercising. I only have one full meal and two half meals, if that makes sense. Once I wean DS2 by mid February, I will do the traditional IF.

I also believe I have a better chance of falling pregnant after I wean DS2, if I don't fall pregnant this cycle or next. DS2 will be 20.5 months and that is how old DS1 was when he weaned himself. DS2 has dropped feedings on his own, but I will stack the deck for him to drop more feedings. By not nursing before nap time and bed time, he will become less interested.

GL ladies, hopefully the New Year will bring a fresh start for all of us! I feel more BFPs will be around the corner!




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[XXforhubby]

Oh, I was mistaken, I got my first opk on CD12 this cycle. I had a faint positive on CD11.


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[keepthefaith]

Hi ladies, can I join, I think I'm about 2dpo desperately keeping busy and mind off everything till af due!

Good luck to everyone and hoping 2015 is year for everyone!

Who is doing daily exercise? Are you doing it in 2ww? It's New Years day and I'm treadmilling!!!

[XXforhubby]

I do various workout DVDs at home. We don't have the space for any equipment and it is too cold to walk/run outside.

I workout all cycle long. The only time I take breaks are my "pity" breaks the day of pre-AF spotting and the first two days of AF. Those three days are when I have cheat meals too. This helps me cope emotionally. Then I pull myself up and get back on the strict wagon!


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[maidentomother]

Exciting KTF, I hope you caught the egg! I keep meaning to start exercising, but my schedule is messed up so I currently am getting up in the early afternoon and it's dark before I'm up to going out (it takes several hours for my body to really wake up fully). And I just can't walk/run outside when it's dark in the Winter. Cold + dark is too much! I have delayed phase sleep (it means my body naturally wants to sleep from 4am-12pm) and it's a huge battle to get and stay on an earlier schedule. I also have SAD which makes battling my schedule harder, though ironically my SAD would greatly benefit from an earlier schedule. And it would benefit greatly from me walking outside in the daylight for a couple hours daily. It's just so hard for me to muster the motivation when it's so damn cold! Yes I am a huge whiney wuss!

XX, I am in awe that you can IF in such a hardcore manner while on the LE diet, nursing, and with two little boys to care for - you must have incredible will power! Are you familiar with much of the IF research? Or Dr. Johnson's Alternate Day Diet? Have you also observed numerous physical & mental benefits from IF? How long have you known about/been IF?

Sounds like you have a good plan for weaning DS2. I hope it goes smoothly for you both.

Since you are using the regular CB digital OPKs you should O several days before me. I dont think I'll O until CD15 at the very earliest, which is still 4 days out. What CD are you on? Do you have a chart anywhere I can stalk? :D I know you don't temp but maybe you chart your other fertility signs?

[XXforhubby]

Feeling good about things....The universe sent me a sign today....trying to hold onto hope...


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[maidentomother]

XX, what cardio DVDs do you use? I don't want to buy equipment either. I have great yoga, pilates, and strength building videos but no pink cardio. I've mostly just walked/ran for cardio, or occasionally swam, played racquet sports, or did the elliptical - but I know I'm not likely to get the motivation to drive somewhere every day to do those, plus bc I live in such a rural area there are no nearby facilities, I'd have to drive 20-30 min one way at least which sadly is a lot for me with my bad back.

I wish I had a home skating rink...wouldn't that be nice?

[XXforhubby]

I do walk away the pounds with 3-5lb weights. I have to have to use low weights to get any calorie burn. I was SUPER fit before swaying. When I run in warmer weather, I use ankle/wrist weights.

I also have other workout programs that have great cardio workouts that I still do and skip the strength building ones. I also do a yoga/Pilates hybrid that is cardio intense. I know this may be muscle building for some, but not for me. My body has changed SO much! Running and the treadmill makes me obsess too much- improving time, speed, etc. I am much better changing up my DVDs at home!


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[XXforhubby]

Ooh my SIL just turned me on to Black Swan Yoga! For $8 a month you can select an instructor and do their yoga routines from your computer or smart TV! She likes Melanie, because she gets your heart rate up quite a bit. The subscription does not automatically renew, which is nice in case you want to select a different instructor. Melanie has various length and strengths of workouts. Casey has the most 60 minute routines. My SIL knows of her, and she has a daughter. Hmmm maybe there is no coincidence...

I am going to check it out in a couple of weeks. Just wanted to pass it a long in case someone wanted to mix things up! Yoga for me is a great way to detox and get out of my head.


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[sageviolet]

Happy New Year!!! This isn't the way I wanted to start 2015, I wanted to be very pregnant by now, but since I'm here I'm glad I'm with you sweet ladies.

Maiden - Your chart looks good!

xx - Thanks for the yoga tips. I used to do some yoga and pilates. So were you fasting when you had your sons? I'm trying to sway blue, so I'm studying you, lol. Sorry you're having trouble with your hormones. You know we've been trying the same number of cycles. My dd is older than your ds and self-weaned last month at 27-1/2 months.

I finally made an appt. with a specialist who uses Napro technology so hopefully I can get some answers as to why I'm not preg yet. It happened much easier the other 2 times. I've been charting since last March and actively trying since Aug. Anyway, the soonest I could get an appt. is the first week of Feb. and that's halfway into the next cycle! :-( I feel like I'm playing darts in the dark, I just don't know where to aim and how to adjust what I'm doing. I'm going to try a new multivitamin this cycle.

[maidentomother]

Thanks Sage! Good luck with your appt, I've heard great things about Napro. But hopefully you won't need it. Fx!

XX, how do you walk at home without a treadmill? I think I am missing something...

This is cycle 6 TTC for me, too. KTF has been trying a while too, I think.

[XXforhubby]

SageViolet- I started fasting after DS2 was born. I toyed around with it when I was getting confirmed as an adult 25, but I really perfected things after DS2 was born.

Here is what I did to get my boys:

Think breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, and bedtime snack.
Protein three times a day, nuts for a snack, lots of bright colored fruits and veggies. Think balanced meals with protein and carbs. I only had sugar in the way of fruit or 80-90% dark chocolate (dark chocolate chips in 1/4cup oatmeal for a snack). I also took a multivitamin with dha, calcium supplement (I don't drink much milk) 400IU vitamin D in warm months 1000IU vitamin D in winter months. I drank 2 cups green tea every morning and in the afternoon. I did 30min of weightlifting followed by 30min of cardio 4-5 times a week.

Have sex once a day in fertile window.

This is how I got both DS's. I am sending you my last truck load of rambunctious, cuddly with mama blue, baby dust!!


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[tarasue]

Xx and maiden- 36 hours is a long time to fast! Does this help sway pink??? I battle with eating disorders and that sounds like a huge red flag!!! Atomic doesn't even have me skipping breakfast necessarily because that is a trigger for me. Even reading that you guys are fasting that long is kinda of triggering to me.... It makes me want to join you.

I truly feel my miscarriage last month was due to my poor eating habits. In all honesty, I knew the only way I could get out of the eating disorder rut I was in before, was to get pregnant. So I believe that miscarriage was Gods sign to me to get and stay healthy.

I'm doing my best to stay on track. There is a very slim safe zone for me. If I don't eat enough or allow myself to get too hungry I either become more restrictive or go the opposite way and b&p... Gross I know, but that's the way my crazy mind works!

Take care of yourselves girls, please don't fall into any unhealthy habits as they are not easy to overcome!

I'll get off my soap box now.

Good luck ladies! I don't know if I should consider myself in the tww. I think(wasn't using opk's), just based on symptoms, cm, cp, ect that I ovulated on Monday. Wee dtd that day, but hubby pulled out. We were wanting to wait for one full cycle after my dnc to try. I am really nervous & excited all at the same time..

[XXforhubby]

Tarasue- I am only doing Atomic's fertility diet and having two small meals and one big meal a day. I have an overnight fast of 16+ hours. I cannot IF until I wean DS2.

I understand about being triggered by our conversation about IF. Please do not relapse! We want a healthy mom and baby! I think we all have to get our mind and body in a healthy state for conception and that looks different for each of us.

I wish you balance and harmony!!


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[XXforhubby]

I am in the 2ww! My temp rose .45 of a degree this morning and I had a classic temp dip yesterday morning! FX that Goldie the golden egg came out of hiding!

I am trying to stay positive, but my numbers aren't good. DS2 is weaning himself, and he should be fully weaned by mid February. Most likely I will see some of you in February's 2ww...


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[XXforhubby]

I guess I have signed back on...sort of 😉


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[maidentomother]

Yay XX! I am hoping to join you soon; today I got another flashing smiley, my CBFM tester stick looks like a High, and I think I just saw a bit of EWCM - on CD12! I haven't seen EWCM so early in well over a year, so it makes me actually believe I might O soon.

tarasue, I used to moderate a livejournal group on IF and MANY of the girls in the group had eating disorders. I myself have OCD and 'disordered eating' but I've never actually been anorexic, though I've come close. I really love food and I'm a health nut so that seems to keep me in check. I would never recommend IF for someone trying to avoid an ED, as many things about it can be triggering. If meds helped you and you were on them and monitored 24/7 then MAYBE you could IF safely, but I wouldn't risk it while TTC. I have been IFing on and off since 2007 so I can do it without obsessing, otherwise I'd never IF while swaying pink. And if I get too crazy with it I'll stop.

Take care of yourself my dear, I HIGHLY doubt (as in, it's basically impossible) your eating habits in any way caused your MC and it sounds like you are doing a great job swaying pink safely. Fx for next cycle, or this one if a sperm got through!

[XXforhubby]

Tarasue- I do NOT believe in anyway that you caused your MC to happen. You have come so far with your recovery, PLEASE do not let this impair the hard work you have done to get where you are! So often as women and mothers, we take the blame for things- even things beyond our control. While we may never know what caused your MC (most likely chromosomal or placental issues), there was nothing you could or couldn't do to change it. When we ttc, we put ourselves out there, at the mercy of our Creator or the Universe. We become vulnerable. While this is uneasy, this is where true growth happens. Even though we like to control situations, we only have control over ourselves and our actions. We must find the courage to surrender to the Creator or the Universe to allow what will be come to pass.

I know with everything in me, you and all the other ladies will get the child you need- maybe not the child you want. We have to trust in something larger than us to allow us to be the kind of mothers we are meant to be. We are all amazing beings- miracles. Have courage, and know we are all in this together!

XX❤️❤️


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[tarasue]

Thank you for all the kind words and concerns! I was by no means wanting to air my baggage, I was just worried about you girls doing the IF diet. I have often thought about mentoring young girls with eating disorder issues, I just don't want anyone to have to fight this mental struggle like I have. Please girls just be careful with that kind of diet.

[maidentomother]

Oh, the mental struggle is awful. Off meds I don't think I'll ever overcome it - though I hope it will be better after kids, like you I don't feel guilty eating while pregnant and I plan to BF long term, too. So I'm hoping to view eating in more positive light in the future.

I fortunately never saw anyone without a preexisting ED start IF and develop one, so I don't think it causes EDs. But of course those who already have them are very often drawn to all types of diet, especially extreme ones. In terms of treating EDs...I think prevention via social change (I.e. realistic female body images in the media) is the most powerful tactic. Not sure that will actually happrn any time soon, though. I know there's been some improvement but it seems awfully slow to me. But maybe social change always is?

My OPKs are almost positive (all 4 different ones)! I'm shocked. So I think I might O in 2 days on CD15. Time to get busy...

[XXforhubby]

Officially in the 2ww. I am 2dpo confirmed by 2 elevated temps the past 2 days...we'll see. At least we know now I AM ovulating. So there's that. At least it is not all bad...maybe just a bit of hope..


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

22859
These are from today cd 15, negative Hcg and faint opk. I am sure my opk was right on cd 12- it was very positive. I had EWCM on cd 11 and we DTD that day.

I was so sure I ovulated but had doubts considering it had been only 10 days after I started bleeding from my miscarriage. Now that the tests are negative I am convinced an egg was laid!

Should we still DTD tonight? Atomic said to seeing that it's been 4 days since we last DTD. My opk and Hcg were faint positive yesterday and I don't feel like I am ovulating anymore. I am nervous to have more than one attempt.

[XXforhubby]

I would have another attempt. Even though you had symptoms, you may not have released the egg yet. Having an attempt now, four days after your previous attempt is NOT having 2 attempts in your fertile window. BDing every 4 days ensures one attempt in your fertile window- view it more like covering all of your bases!

FX for you!!!!


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[maidentomother]

2boys, I agree with XX, attempt again in case you were late in releasing the egg.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Ok. Hubby will be pleased!

[Mars]

Hey ladies, just checking in. Hope everyone had a great Xmas and new year. I am about 3dpo so just waiting. I don't feel very confident about this month so we will see.
I'm not sure how this will effect my sway but I started a liver detox on New years day.

[keepthefaith]

Hey ladies, just checking in. Hope everyone had a great Xmas and new year. I am about 3dpo so just waiting. I don't feel very confident about this month so we will see.
I'm not sure how this will effect my sway but I started a liver detox on New years day.

Hey Mars, hope time not dragging too much for you, I'm trying not to think about dpo this month as last month I drove myself mad with it all. Def less Martha this month. Attempt was last Monday so not quite sure where I'm at! Really hoping that this is our month Mars! Be fab to get BFPs together!

[Mars]

Hey, it's not dragging too much but I just want to know lol. I've been slacking with the diet so I feel ok if it doesn't happen. It would be cool to have due date buddies :)

[tarasue]

My sister just announced they are expecting their second. I am over the moon happy for them, they have been ttc for a year an a half! But at the same time I can't help but be sad, it hasn't even been a month since my dnc.... I know everything happens for a reason and now I'm more determined than ever to get pregnant!!

[XXforhubby]

I hope you get your BFP soon too, Tarasue! It feels like a double edged sword- on one hand you're excited for the person and sad on the other. My stepbrother and his girlfriend announced their unexpected pregnancy 2 weeks before Xmas. Of course their due date would have been mine, had I not had my chemical 😞. It makes me sad too to know she accidentally got pregnant. Here I am with DISMAL hormone numbers, suggesting I need a miracle, or tons of $$ , to get pregnant. Plus, it looks like I am going to be a longterm ttcer 😢.

I am glad they live a ways away from me so it is not in my face. I have a hard time seeing any pregnant woman.


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[XXforhubby]

On the bright side, DH tonight on our way to celebrate our 11th wedding anniversary told me he would like to keep trying for a baby. Originally he said he only wanted to ttc for a year. It has already been 5 months, almost 6. The more time goes on, he really wants another baby as badly as I do. So there is that. If only that is all it took 😞...


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[Dutchgirl]

Hi girls!

I'm 3DPO now and also in the 2WW.
Really hoping to have a BFP!

Can i join chatting with you while the days to my NOD pas? :fingers:

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Welcome dutchgirl. Good luck:)

[tarasue]

Good to have you here dutchgirl! Good luck to you!

[tarasue]

Xx- I'm glad you dh is on board to keep ttc. When you give yourself deadlines it's always interesting to see if you stick to it. I had a deadline for baby #3.... If we weren't pregnant by this month i was going to throw in the towel. My deadline was based on I didn't want to give birth after I turn 37(which is in October). That plan didn't include a miscarriage though, so I'm giving myself a few more months:). What's in an age anyway? I am already advanced maternal age, a few more months ttc isn't going to matter in the long run. If we catch an egg this month or in four months I am still an old mom:/

[XXforhubby]

Welcome Dutchgirl!

Thank you Tarasue! DH and I feel the same way! What is the difference between 35 and 36? DH feels that it will just take longer to catch the golden egg. Since my periods are regular and my temps indicate I am ovulating, he feels we are bound to catch an egg at some point.

FX for all of us waiting, may we find peace while we wait and the strength to keep trying if need be.


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[maidentomother]

Ladies, you have plenty of time! My mom had me at 36, my brother at 43.

I just got a positive OPK on one of my cheap OPKs...it's a blaring, darker than control line positive, too (I've never had one like that before). And my urine was pale lemonade. But testing with the same pale urine my CBFM and CBAD are both only High. So now I'm trying desperately to concentrate my urine before my LH levels drop. It is so hard for me to get dark urine! Any tips? I haven't had any fluid in 15 hours and I've peed 3x since getting up (since my pain meds cause me to retain water, I normally pee only 3-4x in a 24 hour period).

[keepthefaith]

Ladies, you have plenty of time! My mom had me at 36, my brother at 43.

I just got a positive OPK on one of my cheap OPKs...it's a blaring, darker than control line positive, too (I've never had one like that before). And my urine was pale lemonade. But testing with the same pale urine my CBFM and CBAD are both only High. So now I'm trying desperately to concentrate my urine before my LH levels drop. It is so hard for me to get dark urine! Any tips? I haven't had any fluid in 15 hours and I've peed 3x since getting up (since my pain meds cause me to retain water, I normally pee only 3-4x in a 24 hour period).
Gl!! Are you going to have attempt?? X

[XXforhubby]

I wish I had your optimism Maiden! With my numbers the way they are, I sure hope I can have another baby without too many interventions.

I would not worry about your urine. It depends on how much you drink, medications, and genetics. If you take a diuretic, it will be hard to have concentrated urine. The amount of LH, or any hormone, can still be present at high levels in the urine, independent of urine color. I would attempt tonight and call it good!!

FX!!






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[XXforhubby]

I am 3dpo and my temp has been nice and high! I think I truly did release an egg this month! I have been hungry more than usual and there is a correlation to releasing and an increase in appetite. Thank goodness I exercise regularly!

FX! Please pray for me- I need all the help and spare baby dust I can get 🙏


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[Dutchgirl]

Thanks for the welcome!

XXforhubby i'll pray for you :happy:
Great that your temp is still up!

I;m 3DPO as well but not hungry... The thing i have is some sort of uterus pain, like little needles. I can't remember from the other pregnancys if i had this. But i'm praying that it's a sticky little one! :fingers:

Maidentomother, i think that the OPK's detect even a small amount of hormones in your urine, so even if it's not so concentrated you should get a possitive.
You will end up with a headache when you don't drink in time...

About age...I'm nearly 35, so i think 37 is not old at all! :bigsmile:

[maidentomother]

XX, sounds promising, fx for you! Dutchgirl, I hope the uterine pain is a good sign for you, too.

Unfortunately, I know for sure that the colour of my urine is extremely important and very much does reflect the concentration. I've always found it very difficult to get dark/concentrated urine, but being on such high dose opiates makes it even more of a problem. I eventually gave up bc I was unable to get dark urine before my LH level started to drop and I was in pain from dehydration. Now it's late and I'm so tired bc I'm still not rehydrated and I have yet to BD, argh!

[Dutchgirl]

That must be so frustrating Maidentomother....
Hope your BD works out.

[XXforhubby]

Why does my body have to get my hopes up? My bbt shot up to 98.42 today and has been steadily climbing since I ovulated. At least we know my body is functioning normally even though my FSH is skyhigh and my AMH is barely detectable.


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[maidentomother]

Thank you Dutch. Xx, I'm hopeful for you!

Today got my Peaks on both CBFM and CBAD, and both cheap OPKs the darkest OPKs I've ever gotten, even darker than yesterday. Having some O pain already and planning on BDing shortly. DF is napping, we'll see how it goes...

Stupid CBFM which gave me nothing but endless Highs last cycle, this cycle I never got a High, it went straight to Peak after days of Low. I definitely prefer the CBAD! It least it appears to be accurate even though this is my first month using it.

The weird thing is my cervix has been open for 4 days in a row, but has yet to soften and only went high today. Normally my cervix is HSO for a couple days 3+ days before O and starts closing/firming/lowering before O.

[XXforhubby]

FX for you Maiden! I hope you catch the egg!!


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[maidentomother]

Attempt done, yay! I always feel this immense relief once I've attempted, I'm so anxious always trying to time it properly. The O pain went away before reaching full intensity so I'm hoping I don't O for at least 12 hours.

I used just a tiny bit of sperm friendly lube (YesBaby), and I quite liked it, very natural feeling and not at all sticky. DF apparently liked it too bc it was over very quickly, lol. I felt a lot of EWCM up at my cervix but otherwise I was not quite as wet as I prefer, so I think that worked out well. DF also released 2 days ago and 4 of our 5 prior attempts have been after very long abstains (like 2-4w!). I am hoping that having fresher/more sperm plus earlier O and the YesBaby will do the trick. A late September baby would be so lovely!

[True Blue]

Good Luck Maiden :)

[sageviolet]

Xx, your words to tarasue were so lovely. Thank you! And Hooray for you in the 2ww!!! Even if it doesn't happen this time, things are improving, right?

As for maternal age, I can think of 2 ladies I know that had their first baby at 40 and another one who kept on having healthy babies into her 40s. I know personally in terms of my own energy levels I'd like to do it sooner rather than later, but kids keep you young. There was some study to prove that which I remember sending to my older mommy friends, lol. I've also heard your menopause start date relates to when you started menstruating, like if you started early you'll likely be done earlier.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

I would love a September baby as well! I am 6-7 dpo, I think. This cycle has been very unpredictable as I miscarried only 2 weeks ago and seemed to o very soon after. Anyway my opk remains negative and I feel a heaviness deep in my pelvis- cramping a bit too. I am bloated too. Just maybe I caught the egg and am feeling some implantation symptoms? So so hopeful.

[keepthefaith]

Good luck maiden, I'm also 6/7 dpo and proud I haven't symptom spotted once yet lol.

2 boys when you testing? Are you waiting till af due? I'm thinking a week from now!

[Rosie85]

I am back to try again this month. Super unlikely to be successful considering the slew of issues i have been having with my cycle. Good luck to everyone waiting already! I have zero clue as to when i will be in the 2ww.

[keepthefaith]

I am back to try again this month. Super unlikely to be successful considering the slew of issues i have been having with my cycle. Good luck to everyone waiting already! I have zero clue as to when i will be in the 2ww.
Good luck Rosie x

[True Blue]

Good Luck all you Ladies lots of BFP's to you :)

[Mars]

Hoping to hear some BFP soon! Who is testing first? AF is due around the 15th Jan but I'm not testing until I'm late.

[keepthefaith]

Hoping to hear some BFP soon! Who is testing first? AF is due around the 15th Jan but I'm not testing until I'm late.


Yeah me too!

[keepthefaith]

I'm due 13th

[2boysJustOneGirl]

I don't know when I will test. I have no clue what cycle day I am on so it makes it hard! I am totally seeking symptoms! It's so hard not to!!!

[tarasue]

I feel like I am symptom spotting even though we never really tried this month(tingly bbs, pulling cramps, the other day it felt like someone was taking a bite out of my uterus???, slight nausea).... Now that I just found out my sister is pregnant I wish we would have. I have my follow up from my DNC tomorrow, does anyone know what they do? I'm sure they will take blood, but do they do a pelvic exam or a sono? I have some tests taunting me, I would like to hold out until friday to test, we will see.. Is a chemical more likely if you ttc right after(no period) a dnc?

[SweetLily]

It do! Hcg trigger shots are 10,000 iu. It takes me 8 days yo clear that amount :)


Well there is the hcg trigger shot that people take to make them ovulate. So I think it is possible. I have know idea what level it is:-/
Just remember your hormones are wacky now! I think it is even possible for your body to 'gear' up to o after a mc then decide it is not the right time. I went through a lot of hcg and opk test. The weekly blood draws helped also. My last draw was 8.8 then 3 days later I got my +opk.

[SweetLily]

Is anyone here using progesterone suppositories? Do they give you a pregnant sense of smell?

[XXforhubby]

Oh I am getting excited for everyone! I sure hope to see more BFPs soon!

I am 4dpo and AF will come sometime between the 14-18th. I Oed earlier at cd13 so we'll see. If I don't fall pregnant, DH and I are considering acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. There is a practitioner near me that is from China and trained at one of the top schools and hospitals in China. We'll see.


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[bre_cooper11]

So, I am fairly sure I O'd late! like CD 24/25. My LMP was the 9th of Dec and I got very positive OPKs on the 30/31st. I had miss read some of my earlier OPKs thinking that was as 'positive' as I was going to get :rolleyes:... Then I got my real + OPK! It's turning into a 3ww, lol. I tested today just to be sure I O'd when I think I really O'd. BFN, duh! AF is due on the 9th (it's the 6th almost the 7th here in Korea). I'm not hopefully about this month.
GL to everyone! Love to see the BFPs!!!!

[Sunbuny]

I'm 10 days dpo today so hopefully I'll know by this time next week. I'm hopeful but also not that confident about out attempt because I ovulated later than usual. We BD on cd13 and I ovulated cd16 but fingers still crossed. Good luck everybody!!! Here's to lots of BFP later this month or early February 😀


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[Dutchgirl]

I'm due 15 january :fx:

[XXforhubby]

I'm due 15 january :fx:

I am due the 15th-18th too Dutchgirl!! Ooh, I hope we get our BFPs! If I were a betting woman, I would place my bets on you, Dutchgirl! My hormones may still be out of wack, but I am praying that you get your BFP! I don't want any of you ladies to go through what I have been going through. BFN cycle after cycle is no fun! So, you all have to get BFPs so you can give me your leftover baby dust 😉! I'll take any kind!!


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[keepthefaith]

I don't feel anything yet but only about 8dpo so prob too early! Time goes very slow when waiting! Gl ladies!

[XXforhubby]

I don't feel anything yet but only about 8dpo so prob too early! Time goes very slow when waiting! Gl ladies!

I am 5dpo....waiting and waiting....


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[tarasue]

I only wish I knew where I was in my cycle. I know I haven't had a positive opk in the last week, not even close to positive. Dnc was on dec.12, so if I ovulated between then and dec. 31, I wasn't testing so I wouldn't know. By symptoms alone I may have ovulated on dec. 29th. Fx I at least start my period soon so I can know where I stand. My patience is shot!

[Dutchgirl]

Tarasue, fx that your AF comes soon. Then you can really start your month!

XXhubby, supersweet! :hug2:
I too hope we get our BFP!

I have all day small cramping like a light AF...Yesterday and sunday i had some sort of needles sticking in my pelvic area..
Sooo hoping that it's because of a little one getting stuck. I can't remeber how it was with my other kids, but hubby said that i had these needles as well. Still fx all day.

Keepthefaith, when are you planning to test? Do you have a long LP?
Mine is 14 days so that's only next thursday..

[XXforhubby]

Dutchgirl- I will test next Thursday if I don't have any pre-AF spotting that I usually get.

I am hopeful that my appointment is fruitful tomorrow with the RE. I hope there is more blood work to be done and supplements that I can take. I am really thinking about doing acupuncture. It is so much cheaper than other fertility treatments. We'll see! Maybe I won't need anything and will have a surprise BFP....😊


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[tarasue]

Dutchgirl: I had what felt like something biting my uterus last Saturday and Sunday as well, you had mentioned needles. Maybe that's a good sign and I did ovulate last week:). maybe I'm just being symptom sensitive and making things up in my silly head:/

Good luck to you!!

[katewantsagirl]

I am in the tww. Ugh I hate the tww lol. We dtd (withdrawal method) cd 8, 9, 11, 12 and I think I may have Od on cd 13. I know chances are pretty small but hoping!! I'm still breastfeeding a lot so don't know if I actually even od. 2dpo today, trying to keep busy lol. Baby dust all x

[maidentomother]

Thank you True, sage, 2boys and XX! Good luck to you all as well as tarasue and kate (kate, did you actually have a proper attempt or did DH pull out every single time? Have you ever gotten pregnant that way before?) I am excited for you ladies almost far enough along to start testing! How many DPO is everone? When is everyone planning to start testing or will most of you wait until AF is late? Is anyone 9 or more DPO already?

As for me, it's now been a bit over 24 hours since my attempt and I haven't Oed yet (my temp was still very low this am), which I'm happy about. I have been having almost O pain on and off today and 90% of the time I ovulate around 2-4am; I hope and expect to O then this cycle as well, so approximately 30 hours after my attempt - pretty ideal timing! My OPKs today are still positive but definitely lighter than yesterday which also gives me hope that I will O soon and not in another 24 hours (or more, god forbid!).

Within an hour after BD I started having copious EWCM - as I usually do while fertile and not swaying - and today as well I've had more than usual while swaying, though not copiously like last night. This has happened before while swaying, in the cycles when I was TTC; it's like BD activates something, a trigger that stimulates massive EWCM production. So I really think part of why I'm so dry while swaying (which is such a huge difference from my normally soaked state for at least a week before O) is due to celibacy, and atomic's theory about regular/frequent sex swaying blue via more than just sperm count or pH is very likely correct. I find this fascinating!

The only thing off is my cervix, which still hasn't softened fully and has lowered a bit already; my cervix has always been my most reliable fertile sign in terms of pinpointing O, especially this past year while swaying and taking Vitex, both which frequently cause my other signs to be misleading and unpredictable. I have never Oed without having a high, soft cervix at some point before or during O, in all my time charting my cervical state. And the only thing different this month is the strict intermittent fasting I've been doing over the past 2 weeks, and loss of body fat, though my liposuction was almost 6 weeks ago, 2 weeks before I Oed last cycle, and my cervix acted totally normal then...

If anyone read all of that, thank you! I didn't intend to go on for so long...and fx I didn't jinx myself by expecting to O tonight; I'm foolishly superstitious that way. Anyone else silly that way or just me?

[XXforhubby]

GL Kate! I hope you caught the egg! I try to stay busy, but my mind wanders. This time I am not testing unless I am for sure AF is not on the way or late.

FX for more BFPs!!


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[XXforhubby]

FX Maiden that you O soon!!


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[katewantsagirl]

Good luck maiden I hope you O soon!! Are you close friends with the doner?? (Tell me to mind my own if I'm prying! Lol just curious ��). We might have concieved our girl that way or a day after O with him actually finishing up there. If anyone could get pregnant that way it'd be us lol! He didn't actually go up there at all this time. We will just keep "not trying" with the pre ejac and see!!

[katewantsagirl]

Oh and XX me too about not testing early. I spend waaay too much on pregnancy tests and it's so dissapointing seeing a bfn!

[bre_cooper11]

AF due in 2 days! I took a IC, yesterday, but it was neg. Trying no to test until the 9th-10th. Ugh, the 2ww is winning!

[tarasue]

I read every word maiden!!! Good luck and hope tonight's the night you let loose an egg!!

Kate- if by chance I did ovulate already and we did get pregnant my dh has been pulling out. Only time will tell if the stars were lined up enough and if we were holding our tongues just right to actually get pregnant with an attempt not knowing if or when I O'd and dh pulling out!

[XXforhubby]

Soooo, as I was taking a shower and noticed I am bloated. It is strange, I am bloated up high near my belly button. DH walked in and said, "Oh my God, you are pregnant!" I don't think I am, I think AF is going to show up early since I Oed on CD13 this cycle. I too have felt the tingling/searing sensation in my uterus. Plus, I have been super hungry! I must be making a good amount of progesterone. At least my hormones appear to be getting back on the right track. I really don't think I am pregnant and don't plan to test at all until after the 14th.


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[katewantsagirl]

Tarasue, do you guys always use withdrawal? Good luck I hope everything was aligned!! And XX I bet you are how exciting!! Fingers crossed xxxx

[2boysJustOneGirl]

I am bloated, nauseous and hungry, my back is aching, boobs are sore and pelvis feels like it's being stretched and pulled. If I am not pregnant I can't imagine what is going on?!?! I wish it can be true for me and all of you ladies;)

I don't recall having such severe and early symptoms like this when pregnant with my boys. I am maybe 7dpo- I feel like this is extreme. May have something to do with the miscarriage? I am not sure what to think! I may test on Thursday, 9-10 dpo. What do you all think?

[XXforhubby]

2boysjustonegirl- FX you are pregnant! I bet your hormones are nice and high coming off of your miscarriage. I have good feelings about this!!!!


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[tarasue]

I'm having all those symptoms you all are listing, plus I feel like I have extra saliva.?. Hungry, I am so hungry!!!

No Kate we never have used the withdrawal method. I am coming off a miscarriage last month and was using withdrawal as prevention until I get my first Af after my dnc... I would be thrilled if we caught a egg by accident, but part of me wanted to play it safe and have a full cycle before ttc.

I had my follow up appt today and my dr. Reassured me that if by chance we do get pregnant before I cycle there is no greater chance of loosing the baby again than if we were to wait. As of tonight we are ALL IN ttc again:).

[katewantsagirl]

Sorry for your loss xx. Good luck tht would be awesome to have caught that egg and mega PINK sway!! Mega low sperm and first time after miscarriage, good luck!!!

[katewantsagirl]

I know my chance are really slim but I woke up this morn with a really sore ear. So weird but when I'm pregnant my ears get really sore and bendy when I sleep on them. No idea why. I doubt it'd be like that at 2dpo but interesting! And a stabby pain in my boob!

[keepthefaith]

No symptoms here at 9dpo or thereabouts, trying not to overthink .......

[Dutchgirl]

XX i hope you have your BFP! Good signs!

Kate, fx for you as well that you catch your O.

Maiden i hope you O soon! I read all of you post :bigsmile:
I'm as well very good in seeing signs that maybe just normal, but everything i feel i hope it's because of a BFP :pray:

Good luck for the ladies who are bloated, nausea and hungry. I really hope you test positive!

I'm only hungry...I stick with the diet so no breakfast unfortunately. Just took a cappuccino to fill my stomac a bit.

Yesterday evening i had these cramps like a light AF on its way, but now i feel just nothing...
I remember from last time that 3 days before i expected my AF my boobs where really sore.

I'm today 6DPO and i think i'm gonna waith at least until next thursday untill i test. Last time i tested negative on the day i expected my AF so i don't want to be disappointed when i test early. I hate negative tests...

[QueenB3blue]

Just stopping by to say I am following this thread and to cheer everyone on:)

I am not posting much because I am in severe " Debbie Downer" mode. I don't want to rub off on everyone, so I am keeping quiet. Cd4 for me.

Good Luck Everyone!!!

[XXforhubby]

I am loosing hope that I will get a BFP. I checked my CM this morning and it was light pink tinged. Usually this means that in another 5-6 days I will get my pre-AF spotting 😢. I have my RE appointment today so I have something to look forward to- getting a plan for next cycle! I will update my other post in the TTC Help and Infertility Support thread today...if you're curious.

GL to the rest of you ladies! I will stop by and check to see if you get your BFPS!


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[tarasue]

I think Af is starting today as well. I could be wrong, I spotted the day before I got my positive test in November. Either way I am just glad to see something happen, a starting point one way or the other!

Anyone thought of using soy ISO? I took it the cycle I conceived ds2. I don't want to do anything to sway blue, but it took me almost four weeks to ovulate my November cycle. Thoughts?

[tarasue]

Just curious... How many of you were in November 2ww? It seems like there are a lot of us still bouncing from month to month TWW or in my case back from a devastating loss. We are all so deserving of so sticky healthy bfp's! Now who's going to be the first to start this months Bfp train?

[XXforhubby]

I was is the November 2ww train. Who knows when I'll get off the TTC train! Just waiting another week or so for AF to start...


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[keepthefaith]

I started in December 2ww so my second stop along the way :running:

[XXforhubby]

I started in the August 2ww....and counting


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[fivebabies]

I, pathetically, have been in the 2ww forums since last February. Although I have stopped posting most of the time since its getting really hard. I feel your pain.

[Sunbuny]

I started getting pink ewm yesterday and more spotting today. I'm 12 dpo so I'm expecting my period to start in 2 days. I knew I only had a slim chance but it's still disappointing 😔 so much harder trying for a girl with the one attempt. My husband is cooking breakfast and I would love some but sticking with the diet.... I admire you girls who stick with the diet and exercise for so long. I can't afford to lose much more weight since will have to start just maintaining my current weight I think...


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[XXforhubby]

Sunbuny- I have been in weight maintenance mode the better part of four months now!

GL ladies! I know with perseverance we will get our hearts desire! I just know it! And this says a lot coming from a woman who has been ttcing for 6 months and counting...unless I get a BFP in a week...here's to hoping for a miracle!!!


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[essnce629]

Just curious... How many of you were in November 2ww? It seems like there are a lot of us still bouncing from month to month TWW or in my case back from a devastating loss.

I've been on the boards since November 2013, but didn't start my sway till February 2014. It took 5 cycles for me to finally get pregnant (both my boys were oopsies with no trying) but I did take a few months off in between. I got pregnant in September but had a miscarriage in October at 7 weeks. DH doesn't want any more kids and has been talking about getting a vasectomy and has been using condoms or pulling out ever since, so I haven't really been posting since my chances of getting pregnant are slim.

After suffering severe fatigue and depression, which started a few months before the pregnancy I saw an endocrinologist thinking I had thyroid problems. Turns out my thyroid is fine, but I have severly low ferritin (iron stores) due to 11 years of heavy periods and then the miscarriage. Optimal levels are 70-90 and mine is 8! Low ferritin causes symptoms almost identical to low thyroid, as well as poor egg quality. I also found out I have low cortisol and a homozygous MTHFR mutation, which increases the risk of repeat miscarriages. My magnesium and vitamin D levels were low too which is a result of swaying (stopped all supplements in Nov 2013).

So, needless to say, I had to pretty much stop swaying to get healthy again. I'm eating red meat almost daily, taking 300mg of iron daily, switched from folic acid to folate, starting taking vitamin D and magnesium again, and the endocrinologist is having me take a more in depth cortisol test to see if my pituitary and adrenal glands are working properly.

So that's my story on why I'm mostly lurking!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

I think Af is starting today as well. I could be wrong, I spotted the day before I got my positive test in November. Either way I am just glad to see something happen, a starting point one way or the other!

Anyone thought of using soy ISO? I took it the cycle I conceived ds2. I don't want to do anything to sway blue, but it took me almost four weeks to ovulate my November cycle. Thoughts?

I used soy ISO when I conceived in October. My cycle was very long the month prior, I o on cd 23 or something. So I took it the next month and o on cd 14. I believe it helped but I don't know for sure. I think from what I read, and knowing it "acts" the same way Clomid does, that it sways pink to some extent and the reason it may sway blue is due to the excess EWCM it may help produce.

[Sunbuny]

XX - praying that you get a BFP this month as well as the rest of you girls.


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[MissyMc7]

Hi,
Hope I can join in here, long time stalker first time poster. I discovered this page after the birth of my second son (failed IG sway) and we are now trying for #4. Will be my 8th pregnancy (4 m/c, DD8, DS7, DS2.5) and hoping for one more daughter to complete our family. I've been on the LE diet for almost 23 weeks, no breakfast, vegetarian plus a host of other sway tactics recommended here.
Last month was our first attempt and I was very hopeful as all the other pregnancies have been conceived first go but alas AF found me :-( So I started charting again and here I am 14dpo, AF due tomorrow, no signs she's on her way, temp still up and terrified!!! I know that this is my last shot at another DD and know that if I am pregnant it's done, my fate is sealed, what will be already is! I'll be testing on Saturday (16dpo) unless AF shows in the mean time.
So please keep your fingers crossed for me and I hope we all get beautiful BFP's to start off the year!

[katewantsagirl]

Missy pink dust to you xxxx

[Dutchgirl]

Essnce so sorry to hear yor hubby wants to quit....

Missy fx for you!!

Yesterdag evening the nausea kicked in! I first thougt it was because of the chocolate that i ate after the meal, but this morning it was still there. And hubby said that my boobs are a bit bigger.
If i'm not pregnant then my body is playing a really anoiing game with me...

[MissyMc7]

Thanks Kate & Dutch girl, fingers crossed this is the month for us all!

Hopefully those are good signs for you Dutch girl, fx!

I get hypermesis when I'm pregnant but it doesn't start until around 6 weeks but hangs around until 20-25 weeks.

Normal the day before AF I would be feeling really bloated, heavy and yuck but have none of that at the moment. Although my weight has gone up a little according to the scales in the last week but I don't feel it in my clothes? Fertility friend said bloating and retaining water is very important in early pregnancy to increase blood volume to support the embryo, so hopefully that's where my weight is!

Tomorrow is going to be the longest day ever!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

22928
Looks like two lines!!!! 9-10 dpo. I am beyond happy and terrified! I am keeping this my little secret for the morning, I love knowing before hubby does. It starts the bonding process, for me, and I just love knowing me and babe have this little secret. ❤️
Please let his little angel stick, be healthy and penis free!

[djmommy]

Awesome!! Sticky vibes and congratulations!!!! XXOO

[True Blue]

Yay congratulations 2boysjust1girl, lots of sticky pink dust ~*~*~*~*

[MissyMc7]

Congratulations 2boysjust1girl! That's an awesome line for 9-10dpo!!! Looks like a nice strong sticky one fx. Hope I'm joining you in 24 hours!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Let's hope this is one of many BFPs this month!

[XXforhubby]

2boysjustonegirl- OMGOMGOMG!! I am so excited for you! I pray for a sticky, healthy, pink bean for you! Oh my goodness- I can't stop smiling! Ok so I am dancing around the room!!


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[tarasue]

Missy- fingers crossed for you!!! I would send you pink dust, but all I have is blue! But lots of baby dust to you!!!


2boys!!!!! I couldn't be more happy for you!!!! Best of luck that you caught a healthy little egg!! That makes me wish I wouldn't have waited to have a cycle after my dnc:(. I'm on cd2..... I hope to join you late this month or early next month!! Feeling really positive about this month!

[tarasue]

I used soy ISO when I conceived in October. My cycle was very long the month prior, I o on cd 23 or something. So I took it the next month and o on cd 14. I believe it helped but I don't know for sure. I think from what I read, and knowing it "acts" the same way Clomid does, that it sways pink to some extent and the reason it may sway blue is due to the excess EWCM it may help produce.

Do you think soy played any part in your miscarriage? Ds2 is a healthy soy baby, but I don't want to do ANyTHING to cause another "December" for me! I also want to try to move my ovulation up, it was about 4 days sooner with ds2. As of right now if I got pregnant this cycle the due date would be my mother in laws birthday, I want to avoid that at all costs. If it moves up a few days it would be my birthday, I am a-ok with that. Here I go again trying to control everything! One would have thought I would have learned my lesson, only God is in control, but I can't help to persuade fate lets say.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Tarasue my miscarriage was likely bc of chromosomal abnormalities. The maternitT results showed an elevated 22 marker- and baby gender was a girl. Anyway I don't think soy caused this- I believe the miscarriage was natures way.

[XXforhubby]

2boysjustonegirl- did you have any symptoms up to your BFP? I know they are most likely due to increase in progesterone anyway, but I am curious!

I am just feeling/looking bloated. I have about 7-9 days until I test. AF should be due 8 days from now. I am currently 7dpo. If I don't get a BFP, then this is going to be one helluva period!! I NEVER bloat until the day of AF. Who knows what is normal when ttcing 😆?!


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

Xx- I had lots of symptoms! Started out with bloating, then lots of cramping and hunger/nausea. The cramping was pretty intense two days ago-it felt like o pains actually. I also had pressure deep in the pelvis. It's so easy to have hope and doubt all at the same time, and normal changes from day to day! I have never had such intense early symptoms before. You still have many days ahead to experience symptoms so I am optimistic for you!!!! XX positivity can go a long way!

[Dutchgirl]

2boys congrats!!! So happy for you! Pink dust on your way!

[Junie]

Congrats 2boys!!!

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[Adia]

Looks like two lines!!!! 9-10 dpo. I am beyond happy and terrified! I am keeping this my little secret for the morning, I love knowing before hubby does. It starts the bonding process, for me, and I just love knowing me and babe have this little secret. ❤️
Please let his little angel stick, be healthy and penis free!

WOOHOO!!! AWESOME NEWS 2BOYS!!!!! Congratulations!!!!

[Sunbuny]

Very happy for you 2boys 😃


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[keepthefaith]

22928
Looks like two lines!!!! 9-10 dpo. I am beyond happy and terrified! I am keeping this my little secret for the morning, I love knowing before hubby does. It starts the bonding process, for me, and I just love knowing me and babe have this little secret. ❤️
Please let his little angel stick, be healthy and penis free!

Eeek many congrats!! Hope I'm same next week but doubting it at mo!!

[essnce629]

CONGRATS 2boys! What wonderful news! Lots of sticky vibes your way!

[XXforhubby]

Ugh! I am sorry ladies, but I need to vent. So I woke up from a nap this afternoon with my boys, and I woke up dizzy, with nausea. It is still lingering, even eating carbs with protein. This afternoon, I am not certain what happened, but I have a muscle in my groin that hurts/ feels like it has been pulled. I feel/look bloated. Then DH keeps rubbing me the wrong way! Now I just wish AF would come! Ugh! I am so over waiting already! I am probably not pregnant and wonder if I ever will be again 😞. Now I am mad, because I don't get PMS, never have, and watch I start getting it now just to get my hopes up!

I am not in a good place. I am a hot mess right now. Sigh...


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[tarasue]

Vent it out xx! This is the place! I am sorry you are having a ishy day.

I am super gloomy today. I feel fat and gross and pms-sy! I just need to cry I think that would help.

[XXforhubby]

Vent it out xx! This is the place! I am sorry you are having a ishy day.

I am super gloomy today. I feel fat and gross and pms-sy! I just need to cry I think that would help.

I feel that way too, but I am not normally a hormonal person. I just don't know what I would be crying for, YK? I feel like I am in suspended animation. I guess I need to embrace this and withdraw within to see what comes up. Some meditation will help bring me back to center.

❤️❤️❤️ Tarasue!!!!


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[bluebonnet22]

Congrats 2boys!!! Hope this is your sticky pink rainbow :)

[bre_cooper11]

Congrats 2boys!! Im sending you all of my pink dust!!!

[bre_cooper11]

... I was expecting AF yesterday or today, so far no show. Although, I have the pimples all over my face and 2 neg FRER's to indicate she is on her way :rolleyes:

If she doesnt arrive, I am going to try my best and save my last FRER until Sunday or Monday, because I o'd so late. Every BFN is so depressing, especially with all of the BDing.

[essnce629]

22928
Looks like two lines!!!! 9-10 dpo. I am beyond happy and terrified! I am keeping this my little secret for the morning, I love knowing before hubby does. It starts the bonding process, for me, and I just love knowing me and babe have this little secret. ❤️
Please let his little angel stick, be healthy and penis free!

Are you sure that's not from leftover HCG? My FRER looked just like that 2 weeks after my 7 week miscarriage, even though my cheapie tests looked pretty negative. It was leftover HCG still in my system. I ended up O'ing a week later than normal, 21 days after my miscarriage and AF arrived on CD35.

[MissyMc7]

Tarasue so sorry to hear about your Mc, I've been there it sucks. I hope you get your nice sticky bean very soon.

bree_cooper11 your not out until she shows some people don't get a bfp until after AF is due. Depends how well your body metabolizes the hcg into your urine. In my 7 pregnancies I've never gotten a bfp before 12dpo (latest 16dpo) but yet the day I've had a feint positive a blood test has been well over 300! So I obviously don't get much hcg passing into my urine. So fingers crossed for you!

Also I hear you on the breakouts, I never suffer from hormonal breakouts but since about 10dpo my face has been ridiculously oily and pimples everywhere! Also this morning my gums bled when I brushed my teeth! which has never happened before either. I don't even know if that's a sign or not?

AF was due today and it's after 6pm and no sign yet, eek! I can't believe its 15dpo and I haven't tested yet! I'm usually a complete poas addict. But tomorrow is a very significant date for me so it feels right waiting to hopefully see my bfp then. Although I'm seriously considering testing when I get home from work as it will be 1am so technically the 10/1 and surely at 16dpo I should see a positive after holding my wee for 8 hours while I'm at work?

Anyone else testing tomorrow?

[katewantsagirl]

Missy bleeding gums is def a sign!!!! Eeek good luck xxx

[keepthefaith]

Well Im 10 DPO and I did a test and i think there is the faintest line i have ever seen but its so faint DH can't see so I'm not sure if it's my mind playing tricks. I tried to take a photo but so weak doesn't show up! Feeling a bit crampy and wondering if this might be related or else I'm totally wrong and reading far too much into nothing! Will test again tomorrow morning see if line stronger (if indeed what I am seeing is a line!) Will report back with an update!!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Are you sure that's not from leftover HCG? My FRER looked just like that 2 weeks after my 7 week miscarriage, even though my cheapie tests looked pretty negative. It was leftover HCG still in my system. I ended up O'ing a week later than normal, 21 days after my miscarriage and AF arrived on CD35.

I responded in the BFP thread.

[tarasue]

I had bleeding gums before all three of my positive pregnancy tests. Good luck to you missy, I can't wait to see if you get a positive!

I thought I was pregnant to due to the way I am breaking out, but it was just Af. My hormones are just so out of wack since the mc.

Today is cd 4, going to start clomid tonight!!! Fx I get a good strong egg. I have never had fertility issues with my first two sons. But with the baby I just lost it took me like to cd35 to ovulate. I would almost get a positive test, then it would go negative. I had actually given up on the opk's and was just bd-ing every 3 days and must have caught the egg then. My dr feels that since it took longer for me to release the egg and then lost the baby the clomid will help make a big strong egg:). Hope it works and hope it helps sway pink. My LE diet is weak. I didn't follow it after I got pregnant, so have only been back at it a few weeks. I will have about four good le days, then a cheat day:/. Not proud of that but I am more worried about a healthy baby. My dr also has me in prescribed prenatal, I may start taking every other day. I want healthy over a girl at this point. I really don't know what I would do with a girl anyway... They kinda scare me, but I want the mother/daughter relationship.


Sorry to ramble on....

[XXforhubby]

You are so cute Tarasue! I agree choosing healthy over a baby girl. I have changed things up too, to boost my fertility. I think our maternal conditions are on the low side anyway, and I hope that counts in our favor!! FX you catch the egg!

Keepthefaith- I'll be stalking to see if there is a line tomorrow morning!!

FX for all the ladies waiting to test! I hope you all get your BFPs!!!


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[keepthefaith]

Me me me, I'll be 11dpo about tomorrow and I saw v v v v v faint line today so excited to try again in the morning!!

GL xxx


Tarasue so sorry to hear about your Mc, I've been there it sucks. I hope you get your nice sticky bean very soon.

bree_cooper11 your not out until she shows some people don't get a bfp until after AF is due. Depends how well your body metabolizes the hcg into your urine. In my 7 pregnancies I've never gotten a bfp before 12dpo (latest 16dpo) but yet the day I've had a feint positive a blood test has been well over 300! So I obviously don't get much hcg passing into my urine. So fingers crossed for you!

Also I hear you on the breakouts, I never suffer from hormonal breakouts but since about 10dpo my face has been ridiculously oily and pimples everywhere! Also this morning my gums bled when I brushed my teeth! which has never happened before either. I don't even know if that's a sign or not?

AF was due today and it's after 6pm and no sign yet, eek! I can't believe its 15dpo and I haven't tested yet! I'm usually a complete poas addict. But tomorrow is a very significant date for me so it feels right waiting to hopefully see my bfp then. Although I'm seriously considering testing when I get home from work as it will be 1am so technically the 10/1 and surely at 16dpo I should see a positive after holding my wee for 8 hours while I'm at work?

Anyone else testing tomorrow?

[katewantsagirl]

Come on girls post photos of your faint bfps!! I love line spotting!! Lol yay congrats to all the bfps!!!!!

[essnce629]

Good luck Keepthefaith! Sounds promising! Hope you see a nice dark line tomorrow!

[maidentomother]

Good luck maiden I hope you O soon!! Are you close friends with the doner?? (Tell me to mind my own if I'm prying! Lol just curious ��). We might have concieved our girl that way or a day after O with him actually finishing up there. If anyone could get pregnant that way it'd be us lol! He didn't actually go up there at all this time. We will just keep "not trying" with the pre ejac and see!!

Yes, the donor is a mostly platonic friend who has been a friend with benefits in the past. He really wants kids and co-parent, but understands I have the final say on everything.

Kate & tarasur I hope the pull out method works for you! I have never actually done that, as I really prefer for my partner to finish inside me. Plus it seems like it would not be as enjoyable for the man.

I am not sure when I Oed - I didn't have my full on distinctive O pain this month. I think likely CD16-17, but not at all sure which. Unfortunately CD17's temp is not reliable; I didn't sleep at all that day just took my temp after 3 hours lying in bed reading & browsing on my tablet. And that was at night, too, since I was never able to fall asleep the previous night. I was surprised it was so low after having been up so long! Right before finally crashing the night of CD17 I had a bit of EWCM but up until then it had been creamy since CD15. CD18's temp spike was taken under perfecr conditions so I do feel confident I Oed. Just not sure when. FF thinks CD15, I think that's not likely, but I have had slow temp rises before on Vitex plus I have those 2 cysts from last cycle which may be affecting things. I just hope my attempt wasn't too far away. I am now somewhere between 1-3DPO.

[maidentomother]

Missy, welcome and fx you see a BFP tomorrow!

2boys and (hopefully?) KTF, big congrats on your BFPs. I know you both have been through a lot to get your much deserved, hopefully healthy & girly pregnancies.

XX, I hope you're feeling better today?

tarasue, I am also particular about potential due dates, for multiple reasons including astrology and my own seasonal issues (I have SAD so no Jan/Feb babies for me). I know it's not up to us but I can't help trying to at least aim for al Fall baby. Good luck with clomid too, I am jealous! I do think it will help make a strong egg as well as strongly swaying pink.

Ladies, my mother from whom I've been estranged for several years now, just died (apparently on her 70th birthday, eerily enough). We had a very difficult relationship and she hurt me very badly (lies, betrayal, slander thefts of huge sums of money leading up to our estrangement and even after I cut off contact), but I am really sad bc now there is no chance she will ever change and become a true mother. It was unlikely, I knew that with how increasingly psychotic she became over time, but I still kinda hoped. My biological father died this past summer very suddenly, but he had severe alzheimer's for several years and we were never close. My younger brother is being a complete asshole, he is starting to remind me very much of our mother in his behaviour, he's emotionally manipulative, selfish and ungrateful, too. I am just so fed up with him and his recent attitude toward me (all sorts of BS comments bc I refused to talk to mother on her deathbed). :(

[XXforhubby]

Missy, welcome and fx you see a BFP tomorrow!

2boys and (hopefully?) KTF, big congrats on your BFPs. I know you both have been through a lot to get your much deserved, hopefully healthy & girly pregnancies.

XX, I hope you're feeling better today?

tarasue, I am also particular about potential due dates, for multiple reasons including astrology and my own seasonal issues (I have SAD so no Jan/Feb babies for me). I know it's not up to us but I can't help trying to at least aim for al Fall baby. Good luck with clomid too, I am jealous! I do think it will help make a strong egg as well as strongly swaying pink.

Ladies, my mother from whom I've been estranged for several years now, just died (apparently on her 70th birthday, eerily enough). We had a very difficult relationship and she hurt me very badly (lies, betrayal, slander thefts of huge sums of money leading up to our estrangement and even after I cut off contact), but I am really sad bc now there is no chance she will ever change and become a true mother. It was unlikely, I knew that with how increasingly psychotic she became over time, but I still kinda hoped. My biological father died this past summer very suddenly, but he had severe alzheimer's for several years and we were never close. My younger brother is being a complete asshole, he is starting to remind me very much of our mother in his behaviour, he's emotionally manipulative, selfish and ungrateful, too. I am just so fed up with him and his recent attitude toward me (all sorts of BS comments bc I refused to talk to mother on her deathbed). :(

Oh Maiden! My heart goes out to you! Try your hardest to not let your brother get you down. Remember he is grieving, and this often brings out the worst in people. Try your best to make peace with your mother. I know this may be hard, because of her passing, but it will help you to heal from it all. Oddly enough, we don't need to reconcile a relationship in person with someone, we can do it on our own and it can be the easiest. I had to do this with my biological father, since I have never known him, and he is not in my life.

I pray for you. This is a hard blow, but I know you can get through it in time. Be easy on yourself. 😘


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[tarasue]

So sorry for your loss maiden. I hope you find peace and comfort in such a difficult situation.

[keepthefaith]

Maiden I'm thinking of you loads. Xx

[MissyMc7]

So sorry for your loss maiden. Illness and death of family members can bring out the worst in people. In the last 2 years my family has been completely torn apart by it.

Tarasue I know how you feel. I was swaying for my first pregnancy as I wanted a girl but after all the m/c's I gave up caring and just wanted a healthy baby. Did everything my specialist said including some things which sway very strongly blue and got my beautiful daughter anyway. So I hope the same happens for you. Do the best you can on the diet and together with clomid I think you've still got a good pink sway.

As for me I tested last night when I got home from work at 1am and again this morning at 7am. Both times a second line appeared within 20 seconds of dipping the test in (using ic's) but it's not very dark so now I'm worried as I googled feint bfp at 16dpo and every story I read turned out to be a chemical. Don't know what to think? Haven't told dh yet as he said if I have another m/c we're not trying again and I should just be happy with what we have.
I'll try and figure out how to post a picture later if i can.

[MissyMc7]

Okay hopefully the attachment works?

[MissyMc7]

Okay so what do you think? Too light for 16dpo? Doomed to fail?

[XXforhubby]

Could you try a FRER? I do see a faint line, but I had this happen with DS2. I didn't get a true positive until 21dpo!!! FX for you! Plus AF has not come yet so that is a good sign!!


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[Boom]

Okay so what do you think? Too light for 16dpo? Doomed to fail?

That's a positive. Don't lose hope xxxx

[MissyMc7]

I don't know if we have FRER in Australia?

[keepthefaith]

Clear lines missy congrats!!!!! I'll post a pic of mine in morning, I'll only be 11dpo but hoping my vvv faint line has got a bit darker!

How are you feeling? When will you tell dh??

[MissyMc7]

Okay so I've found where to get FRER from, will try and get one this afternoon.

[MissyMc7]

I feel fine keepthefaith no AF, no preAF bloating or heaviness, oily skin/breakouts and bleeding gums are my only symptoms so far.
will probably tell dh this afternoon as I'll have to ask him to stop by the chemist while we're out this afternoon.

[maidentomother]

Thank you all SO much. I do know my brother is grieving, he always had an easier relationship with her. Unfortunately the recent BS from him is just icing, as just over a year ago I told him of my intent to start TTC, in deepest confidence bc of my traumatic miscarriage in 2012 (which he knew about and was very excited about and supportive of the pregnancy). He texted back several long texts detailing why he thought it was a horrible idea, including false accusations & assumptions; it was the worst, most hurtful thing anyone has ever said to me. I was shocked speechless. He has never even attempted to apologize or make up for it and I truly don't know how I will ever be able to see him again without sobbing and/or punching him in the face. And I am , or was, the most forgiving person to a fault, incapable of holding grudges. I think I've just reached a point where I can't handle any more abuse from the people who are supposed to care about me most.

XX, I don't know that I can ever be at peace with my mum. I've healed a lot since cutting her off; I used to so angry at her and now I just feel sadness. I know she had an abusive childhood and I think the accidents I had as a little girl which are at least partially responsible for my later & current crippled state triggered the start of psychotic behaviour. She gave me many opportunities which I'm very grateful for. But she never was able to admit to any mistake; she was incapable of apology. And I can't forgive that. Maybe having my own children will change things?
Missy, I posted in your thread - those are absolutely BFP!

I posted here before but apparently my post got eaten....I am not sure when I Oed this cycle! I didn't have my full-on, distinctive O pain as I typically do, and my fertile signs don't align well. I think I could have Oed anywhere from CD16 to CD18. Unfortunately, I didn't sleep at all the night of CD17 so I ended up temping the night of CD18 after 3 hours reading & tablet-internetting in bed. The temp was surprisingly low for how long I'd been awake but I obviously can't rely on it. I also had a bit of EWCM the night of CD18 but all creamy before and sincd. CD19s temp was taken optimally so I am sure that I at least Oed, but not sure how many DPO I am and how good the timing of my one attempt was. What do you all think? You can see my chart below.

[2boysJustOneGirl]

So sorry Maiden. 💛

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I pray for peace and healing for you 🙏


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[Mars]

Maiden I'm so sorry to hear.
Keepthefaith eeeek!!!! Congrats!! I'm tempted to test now but I won't until AF is late.

[essnce629]

Missy-- I'd try a FRER as well. My internet cheapies were still faint when my FRERs were blaring BFPs. I'm not a fan of cheapies at all any more.

Maiden-- So sorry for your loss and your brother's behavior. I do think your chart is correct and that you did indeed O on CD16. Good luck!

[MissyMc7]

Alright I have a 3 pack of FRER, yay!
Going to test tonight once the kids are in bed.
Told hubby we had to go to the chemist while we were out, he sighed, I said that's not the response I want, he said "you've probably peed on 20 already!" Lol he knows me too well. Haven't actually told him about the ic's yet just hoping to get a nice blaring line on the FRER to show him.

[keepthefaith]

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OMG girls, got this with FMU at 11dpo!!! Can't believe I'm pregnant!!!

[katewantsagirl]

Yay congrats!!!!

[Junie]

Congratulations KTF!!!!

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[MissyMc7]

Congrats keepthefaith! ! Certainly no doubting that result!

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Congrats keepthefaith! May the babe be healthy and all your heart desires!

[MissyMc7]

So just did a FRER not fmu but holding my wee for 5+hours.

What do you think girls? :giggle:

[maidentomother]

Ahhhh I knew it KTF! Looks like a nice strong embie!

essnce, thank you, I really hope I Oed CD16. Fx.

[keepthefaith]

So just did a FRER not fmu but holding my wee for 5+hours.

What do you think girls? :giggle:


Omg yay Missy!!! We are officially bump buddies!!! Eek exciting!!! Many congrats!!

[QueenB3blue]

Congrats KTF and Missy!!

Maiden, I am so sorry for your loss:(. Wishing peace and comfort in your difficult situation.

Good Luck everyone waiting to O or Test!

[tarasue]

Huge congrats missy and Keepthefaith!!! So exciting to finally see some bfp's.

I'm on cd5, so I have an eternity to go before I get to test.... First clomid pill gets popped tonight! I'm so excited to get this ball rolling. We are visiting my sister, who just found out she is pregnant(almost 6weeks). She is all about talking baby. I thought I could visit with her, but my emotions are still pretty raw from the mc, so I had a few drinks last night to get through. Hopefully in a few weeks I can join her with pregnancy talk😋.

[MissyMc7]

Yep we definitely are keepthefaith, do you know if there is a due date group for September yet? I looked but couldn't see one. I'll be due September 17th all going well (with a history of recurrent m/c I always fear it won't stick) heading to the Dr's first thing in the morning to get bloods taken (history of low progesterone so may need supps) and will ring my ob first thing Monday to book in.

Oh tarasue that's hard. My friend announced her pregnancy a month after I'd had a mc and it was awful. Drink up, who knows you might not be able to for much longer fx!

[XXforhubby]

Congrats Keepthefaith and Missy! That is so awesome!


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[tarasue]

If there's not already, someone needs to start a sept/oct due date group. Hopefully I can fit into that timeframe:)

[XXforhubby]

Sept/Oct/Nov thread started


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

XX when is AF due for you?

[XXforhubby]

XX when is AF due for you?

Sometime between the 15-18th based on my average LP. FX!!

The wait is draaaaaging!


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[djmommy]

Congrats on your BFP'S ladies! I ahve a feeling January is going to be a great month for us all. I am CD7 so still waiting to O. Keeping it positive!!!!

[Dutchgirl]

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I took a OPK because i have no pregnancy test at home. I feel so pregnant, my boobs are killing me.

Can I trust this test??

[djmommy]

Honestly, I would take an hpt for pregnancy. Although it is true that opks can detect a pregnancy, it is usually after a hpt is already positive. I usually get an LH surge during my LP and have gotten my hopes up for nothing. I hope you see a beautiful BFP very soon!!!

[Dutchgirl]

Thx Djmommy.
I'm also early, 9DPO, but was so curieus because of my breasts that are so sore.


I'll take a pg test next week :)

[XXforhubby]

Thx Djmommy.
I'm also early, 9DPO, but was so curieus because of my breasts that are so sore.


I'll take a pg test next week :)

I'll be testing next week too, if I don't have any signs AF is on the way. I'll test on the 17th at 16dpo.

When will you test Dutchgirl? FX for you! That is a good sign! I'm still BFing 2-3 times a day so I doubt my boobs will get sore. I am just bloated- no other symptoms.


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[Dutchgirl]

I expext my AF max this thursday. I will try and wait until thursday but maybe i will test wednesday, depending on how i feel.

My hubby says that my breasts are swollen and warm, and i never have that unless im pg. I will be so dissapointed if AF will come...So i don't want to be too exciting jet.

[Dutchgirl]

Maiden, so sorry for you....Thinking of you!

Missy and Keepthefaith huge congrats!! Super another 2 pregnant ladies!
Sending loads of pink dust :HH:

[MissyMc7]

Good luck xx and dutchgirl

[essnce629]

Congrats Missy and Keepthefaith! Finally some bfps!

[djmommy]

Pink dust to you both!!!!

[sageviolet]

Maiden, I'm so sorry you're having such a rough time. You know family isn't all biology. I hope you have some "true" family (friends) you can lean on and love. Be the light burning in the darkness and ignore the wind. Your chart looks great to me!

Congrats, keepthefaith and Missy!!! Beautiful!

Tomorrow is my predicted ovulation day.

[maidentomother]

You are SO right sage....the family I've chosen has always been more supportive. Unfortunately, I still feel this sense of duty to my biological family, no matter how abusive certain members have been/can be. FX you O on time tomorrow and thank you very much for the input on my chart.

I haven't been feeling anything at 5DPO...I don't feel pregnant at all. I don't even have sore nips like I usually do on Vitex after O. A few very brief, left ovary twinges yesterday & today...that plus no O pain makes me think maybe I Oed on my left. I hope so as if my ovarian EP damaged my right ovary, then maybe an egg from the left will do the trick. If my timing was indeed good enough to catch the egg. I will *try* to wait to test until 10-11DPO.

[XXforhubby]

GL Maiden! FX for you!

My chart is starting to give me hope...I will be ok if AF comes though. I met a wonderful acupuncturist in my hometown that is surprisingly affordable, and I am excited to give it a try! At least I have something to look forward to either way!


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[maidentomother]

Post your chart! I really want to be in the same DD range with you, so come on God&universe, please let it be our month? Be nice to join the other recent BFPs, too. Good luck with the acu, I know many people find it immensely relaxing and helpful. :)

[XXforhubby]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/6301ec7ead69e80b65b27cc5e55932fc.jpg

I am trying not to get too excited about my chart 😬😬😬


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[maidentomother]

That looks amazing, very promising with that latest temp rise so late in your LP. FX, FX, FX!

[XXforhubby]

I am trying not to get too excited yet. AF has been known to rear her ugly head when I least expect it.

But I must say, I am a tiny bit hopeful....eek!!


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[maidentomother]

Have you ever had a non pregnancy chart looks so promising/with such high temps?

[XXforhubby]

Not like this! I usually have high temps that are more saw-tooth. This chart looks much different. Especially with a second temp rise this morning!

😬😬😬 I just hope....


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[djmommy]

FX for you XX and for you too Maiden!!!!

[katewantsagirl]

I'm trying so hard not to test. I think I'm about 7dpo. Can't wait to see some more bfps! Good luck ladies xx

[Dutchgirl]

XX i'm hoping for you!

I will test tomorrow, i can't wait any longer. Tomorrow i'm 11DPO.

[XXforhubby]

XX i'm hoping for you!

I will test tomorrow, i can't wait any longer. Tomorrow i'm 11DPO.

I'll be 11dpo tomorrow too!! I am waiting to make sure I don't get my normal pre-AF spotting before I test. I am going to hold out until the 17th at 16dpo...if at all possible! I had a chemical back in November, and I want to try and wait as long as I can.

FX!!!


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[essnce629]

Beautiful chart XX! Good luck!

[True Blue]

Love your chart Maiden FXFXFXFXFX :)