February 2WW

[smarston3]

XX-good luck!!! Should be the 28th too!!! When should we test? And can I ask when you did your attempt?


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[TaytumJ]

I really hope everyone gets a BFP tomorrow! What an amazing surprise that would be! Hopefully the doctor has some good testing stuff, otherwise I'm still only 9dpo, pending what temp does tomorrow. I basically still have some light cramping on one side, but pretty bloated and a little sore nipples. Basically no more blood, only really light brown spotting. We'll see!

I feel for all of you who have sick kids...this stomach bug came back around HARD! We had four kids in our small school (only approx 290 total in 6-12) actually puke at school, and sent 22 home yesterday. Today we had 74 kids absent sick!! And a few got sick tonight. Take care of yourselves, ladies!


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[XXforhubby]

XX-good luck!!! Should be the 28th too!!! When should we test? And can I ask when you did your attempt?

I maaaaay test on the 28th IF I don't have my usually pre-AF spotting on the 27th. I had a chemical in November, and since we have been ttcing since July, I won't test unless AF is late by 2-3 days. I always have a 12-13 day LP so if AF is MIA by the 2nd or 3rd of March, then and only then I will test. I just don't want to waste any tests.

But if I were in your position, I would test at 10DPO and then again the day AF should show, if you get a BFN early. This is cycle 8 for me, and I am least optimistic about getting a BFP. You in the other hand, I am the most confident about [emoji6]! People have a 90% track record of getting a BFP if they are my cycle buddy! With the exception of Maiden- she and I seem to be on the same karmic cycle- basically we should have been twins at birth [emoji4]!


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[uschi]

I'm not feeling positive anymore. I've got mild cramping tonight. On the upside, my 15-month old just started sleeping through the night. I've been breastfeeding around the clock up until last week.

[essnce629]

Taytum-- your chart looks great. Most implantation dips happen at 7 or 8 dpo, which is exactly when yours happened! Fingers crossed for you!

Good luck to everyone else testing soon! I will be living vicariously through you all!

[Junie]

BFN for me today. I've been trying to prepare myself for it but it was still disappointing to see. We're going out to dinner with friends tonight and I guess on the bright side at least I will be able to drink. Now I just want AF to come so I can move on to the next cycle.

Good good luck for everyone else testing today!

[tm29]

Junie! That is rotten luck, I'm sorry. I hope you have a really good dinner tonight (are you allowed a night off?) and then - as you say - on with the next cycle.

[Grace]

Hi everyone, I don't post here very often but I do follow, and I love sharing this journey with you dear ladies!

Junie- I'm sorry you got a BFN, I know how dissapointing it is. Good luck next cycle!!

And good luck to everyone else testing soon. Your BFPs make me happy!

I'm 12dpo today and AF is due in 5 days. I don't want to test too early, plus I only have one hpt left, and with this stormy weather don't know when I'll get into town, so I don't want to waste it.
Actually, I had a real positive feeling up till today with pregnancy symptoms- changes in appetite, feeling bloated and I swear I can see a bump already (with ds3 I noticed a bump at 7 dpo). However, earlier today I've had some spotting, like tinted cm. I don't know what to make of it- it's too soon for pre-af spotting and too late for implantation bleeding :-(
Why does it have to be so difficult ???

[XXforhubby]

Junie- I'm SO sorry[emoji20]. I would try and have fun with your friends and have a cheat meal, or cheat day! You deserve it! I am sending strength and positive thoughts your way!

Grace- I hope the spotting stops and AF stays away! Keep us posted! FWIW, I thought I was out with DS2, despite having symptoms. I too had spotting right around the time AF was due. I didn't end up getting a BFP until 21DPO! I am Xing everything and [emoji120]for you!!


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[uschi]

I'm sorry, Junie! Have a delicious cab or merlot - full glass! (or whatever you like) :kiss:
Next month is a new "day."

[uschi]

Happy Birthday, Sage! Any developments?

[XXforhubby]

Happy Birthday, Sage! Any developments?

Sage, where are you? Happy Birthday Sage and Mommymachine!


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[mommymachine]

Sage, where are you? Happy Birthday Sage and Mommymachine!


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Thank you XX!!!

Happy Birthday Sage!!! Hope you get a lovely birthday surprise.

[TaytumJ]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/20/7dff8630b8c99606aa21bfe39fc84527.jpg

This is from my doctor's appt this morning. [emoji4]


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[eleena2014]

Wow congrats taytum x

[eleena2014]

Happy birthday sage and mommy machine x

[uschi]

Happy Birthday, Mommymachine!
Congratulations, Taytum!! :bluecheer:

[Junie]

I knew it Taytum!!! Congrats!!!;;

[mommymachine]

Congrats Taytum!!!

[kkkk37]

Congrats TaytumJ.
Are you at 9 DPO today?

[Grace]

Wow congratulations Taytum!

[XXforhubby]

Yay Tatum!!!! This is AWESOME! Oh, check your front lawn- I just had them unload a truck full of rambunctious and super snugly with mama blue baby dust! [emoji8]!!


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[sageviolet]

Happy Birthday, Mommymachine!

Congrats, Taytum!!!

I did not the the present I wanted -- I got af. But I'm still on cloud nine from the acupuncture and really feeling optimistic about this new cycle! :-)

[TaytumJ]

Thanks everyone! I didn't mean to post and run, but I had to leave doctors and drive 3 hours to be with family this weekend. Won't even see DH until Sunday...but maybe by then I can get a good "pregnant" on a digital to surprise him! I'm still cautious...it's very early.

KK- that's is 9dpo, from the doctor's office. I had made an appt the first week of February since I haven't had an actual period since October, so it just happened to fall on today and they did the test there. They did a blood test but I probably won't know that until Monday.

XX - thanks for the blue dust!! [emoji170][emoji170] after driving 3 hours after I've had a lot of time to think and I know I'll be happy either way. Just praying for a sticky bean at this point!

Happy birthday, Sage and mommy machine!! I hope you have a great day...and enjoy some beverages! [emoji322][emoji322][emoji322]

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[2boysJustOneGirl]

Happy birthday sage! [emoji324]


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[2boysJustOneGirl]

Congratulations Tatym!!


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[XXforhubby]

So sorry Sage [emoji20]! I'm glad you found a good acupuncture clinic though. I'm [emoji120]that next cycle you get a BFP with a blue, sticky bean! I'm saving some of my blue dust just for you [emoji8][emoji170][emoji170]!!


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[maidentomother]

Taytum, yayyyyyy! So happy to see your BFP! And on the first try, too. Gosh, you must be one of those super fertile boy mamas. ;) Congrats! I bet you have a nice strong, healthy embryo considering how dark that test is for 9DPO. Dr's tests are often 50-100miu which means you probably implanted early andyour levels have been doubling rapidly. All of these are GREAT signs! Have you told DH?

XX, nice temp rise today!

Junie, I'm happy to see your temp rose today, too. I still think you Oed 2 or more likely 4 days later.

sage, I'm so sorry AFcame but glad you enjoyed the acu. Since I O on the late side we might end up being O day buddies, which would be nice.

[TaytumJ]

Maiden - I keep thinking that this can't really be real on the first try. Especially because we were still about -2/-3 from O. Just hoping it sticks! [emoji4]

I was hoping to wake up and get a "pregnant" on a CB digital to be able to surprise DH, but that said not pregnant this morning. [emoji17] kind of a bubble burst! I don't know if he'll believe me with a faint line! Haha


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[XXforhubby]

Maiden - I keep thinking that this can't really be real on the first try. Especially because we were still about -2/-3 from O. Just hoping it sticks! [emoji4]

I was hoping to wake up and get a "pregnant" on a CB digital to be able to surprise DH, but that said not pregnant this morning. [emoji17] kind of a bubble burst! I don't know if he'll believe me with a faint line! Haha

My experience is that digi pregnancy tests are not as sensitive as the others. I think that is why it took me so long to get a BFP (not until 21DPO!!!) with DS2. All I had at the time were digis. I would test again before you see him, and I bet you'll see those lovely words, "Pregnant" [emoji4]!

Sending you blue, sticky dust!
[emoji8]*~•[emoji843][emoji170][emoji843]•~*


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[XXforhubby]

Just reread your post, and I had CB digis with DS2. You WILL definitely get a positive in 2-3 days!!!


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[XXforhubby]

AFM- why does my chart have to get my hopes up?! I'm reminding myself that AF will show in 7 days. I have been cramping off and on since O day as well as blood tinged CM since then too. It never shows up anywhere except every now and then when I check or take my temp. What the heck is that about?! I honestly doubt I'll get a BFP, but my chart sure looks pretty [emoji6]!


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[maidentomother]

That's a crazy high temp! Could you be sick? If not, I think it's very promising!

Taytum, I want to see your line on a FRER!

[tarasue]

Congrats taytum, I think you just need another couple days for the digital test! A line is a line[emoji3]!

I haven't replied or posted much the past couple weeks, but have kept following all that's going on! Happy birthday shout out to sage & mommy machine!

I am pretty sure I ovulated yesterday:). I have been constant the past two months, getting +opk, ewcm and o cramps about 8-9 days after my last clomid pill. This month I pulled out the big guns and took a chance with 100mg clomid cd3-7. If it doesn't take, I haven't decided if I should break for next month. Ds2 and my nephew both have birthdays on dec. 5th, I don't think adding another between then and christmas is ideal. But on the other hand I don't have time to waste....

Cm turned lotion like this morning. I have had positive dollar tree tests wed, thurs & Friday. Positive babi opk yesterday(it only turns positive a few hours before ovulation). We dtd Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. Not pink friendly, but I think I am beyond swaying with attempts, I just want to be pregnant!!!

Sorry so long! Whose up next to test??? I got positives with previous pregnancies at 10dpo, so I will do my best not to obsess and test before March 3rd, so I guess it's onto March 2ww!


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[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I am definitely not sick. I would be hopeful, but that blood tinged CM makes me feel like I'm out. I mean, I've had it since O day. It is only seen when I check my CM or take my temp in the morning. I just don't know what to make of it.

Tarasue- I'm hoping and [emoji120]you get a BFP and a pink sticky bean!


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[tarasue]

Maiden- I am definitely not sick. I would be hopeful, but that blood tinged CM makes me feel like I'm out. I mean, I've had it since O day. It is only seen when I check my CM or take my temp in the morning. I just don't know what to make of it.

Tarasue- I'm hoping and [emoji120]you get a BFP and a pink sticky bean!


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Ok, hmm. I don't temp, but when you do, where exactly do you take it??

Xx- I think when you are pregnant your cervix can be really sensitive and maybe bleed a little, so I wouldn't count yourself out just yet!


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[Grace]

XX- I've been having blood tinged cm too yesterday and today. I'll be 14 dpo tomorrow but I'm too scared to test, think I'll wait till Tuesday or Wednesday when af is expected.

[XXforhubby]

Tarasue- I have been temping vaginally, since my allergies have been bothering me. Winter is awful for me with the recycled dry air.

Grace- well I'm glad I'm not alone! FX you get a BFP!

AFM- I am suspending all judgment until the 28th when AF is due. I just can't get my mind around the possibility I could be pregnant.


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[smarston3]

Hi everyone, I'm 7 DPO today. Two things, I'm concerned I didn't ovulate as I had no symptoms. Iud was removed 1/9. In the other hand, I'm worried that we rushed to attempt this month and should have waited another month for longer on diet/exercise and start clomid. Good luck everyone!


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[TaytumJ]

Thanks everyone for making me feel more confident! I think I'm still in shock so to hear that it may still be a few days makes me feel a billion times better! Once I get home tomorrow I'll do my FRER! That should be about 11dpo. I'm not sure when AF is suppose to arrive - maybe Tuesday-Thursday?

XX - that could be a good sign! Like Tarasue said, maybe blood is already heading to your cervix to support a bean? Fingers crossed and what a great temp spike!

Good luck to you Tarasue! Sounds like you timed it regardless - hope you get a pink sticky bean!

I hope you get your BFP too! I'll be stalking to see if you do! [emoji4]

Smarston- do you temp or anything? I know I just started TTC in October, but it was really hard for me to really pinpoint O without temping. Good luck though!








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[girliedreamz]

Hi all! Just popping in as dh and I had had an impromptu TTC this month...so I guess I'm in the 2ww! We had planned to wait until March, but we got all our tests back normal and were cleared to TTC this month...so we went for it! This is my first regular cycle after back to back mc's, so hoping that sway enough pink to make up for me lack of exercise and less-than-strict LE diet. fingers crossed!

[Grace]

Goodluck girliedreamz! Hope you get your BFP !!

Looks like I'm out- had some cramping today and then a bit of bright red bleeding :'(
Not only did af show up, but four days early!!! I'm mad at myself for slacking on the LE diet this past week, and for getting my hopes up, but mainly I'm just so tired. I want to sleep and wake up in the spring- time, pregnant, with a girl. Is that too much to ask?

[XXforhubby]

Girliedreamz- FX and GL you caught the egg!

Grace- I'm so sorry AF showed [emoji20]. I wouldn't beat yourself up for cheats over a few days. Remember, it is your overall condition that matters. If a few days mattered, then we wouldn't need to be on the diet so long! TTCing is hard enough- that is why it is important to be kind to yourself. I'm [emoji120] that you can find peace and this next cycle brings you your much deserved BFP! Hugs! [emoji8]


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[eleena2014]

Oh my god I don't know what the hell is wrong with me. I just had a major argument with df. I felt so emotional and just kept screaming and yelling at him. Don't know what's wrong with me. It can't be that I'm pregnant as I'm only 6 dpo . I did read that if u get a positive on a opk u could be pregnant. Took one today and it had a v faint line . I dunno??

[XXforhubby]

Oh my god I don't know what the hell is wrong with me. I just had a major argument with df. I felt so emotional and just kept screaming and yelling at him. Don't know what's wrong with me. It can't be that I'm pregnant as I'm only 6 dpo . I did read that if u get a positive on a opk u could be pregnant. Took one today and it had a v faint line . I dunno??

I think it is most likely hormones at play. Cut yourself some slack. FWIW, I was that same way before I got a BFP with DS1. I called it , "psycho bitch". She came out to play a few different times throughout my pregnancy. I am not a violent person at all, but on argument resulted in me throwing a remote at DH. He was gracious and laughed and said, "looks like psycho bitch paid a visit". Thank goodness we didn't have any other kids at the time!

Hugs! I hope it leads to a BFP!


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[Junie]

Taytum- Just give it another day or two and you will get pregnant on the digi!!!

XX- Your chart is gorgeous!!! :) I had blood tinged CM for quite a few days in the beginning with DS2 which actually started out as a twin pregnancy- you never know :D

Tarasue- Sounds like perfect timing for you this month!

Grace- Are you sure it is AF? I'm so so sorry :(

girliedreamz- I've got my fingers crossed for you!

[essnce629]

Taytum-- Congrats! How exciting! Can't wait to see your FRER tomorrow. I had dark lines on my FRER at 11dpo and a positive digi that day too!

Grace-- How many dpo are you? Maybe it's heavy implantation bleeding as I'd think it would be unusual for AF to come 4 days early. 2 days, yes, but 4 seems odd. I hope the bleeding stops and you get a BFP in a few days!

XX-- beautiful chart!!!! I hope it's the start of a triphasic chart! That's what I had with DS2!

Girlie-- so glad to see you back in the TWW! All my fingers are crossed for you!!! You so deserve a sticky bean!

[Grace]

Thanks for your kind words ladies. Part of the reason I'm so upset af showed is because DH is not on the same page as me. After months of persuation he has agreed to ttc, but still hopes that I give up on having another baby. So every cycle I have to talk him into it again, and I don't like it, to say the least. Anyway, I'm trying to find comfort in the fact that my fertility is declining, which is good for a pink sway. Just hope I can still get pregnant! I'll be turning 41 in a couple of months, so no time to waste.

[Junie]

Grace- That must be really rough. I hope this time around you don't have to talk him into it.

[smarston3]

Grace-I'm frustrated for you. Hope DH comes around

Taytum-congrats! I conceived all three boys on our first month..sending you a pile of blue dust.

As for me, I'm 8DPO and woke up with sore breast. Typically, sore breasts start the same time as my MS and 6 weeks. Wondering if it's a sign AF is coming instead?


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[XXforhubby]

Grace- I'm so sorry honey! TTCing is hard enough as it is- I hope and [emoji120]your DH comes around and sees how important this is to you!

Smarston3- sounds promising! I hope it means a BFP is in store for you!

AFM- I'm not as hopeful for this cycle. I keep having blood tinged CM and my temp dipped this morning. This is normal for me, for some reason, when I get broken sleep. Apparently I'm backwards [emoji1]! I'm doing great though. I had a wonderful experience yesterday that has left me more hopeful than ever!

FX for those about to test, or have their attempts, that this is the cycle that brings your much deserved BFP [emoji8]!!


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[uschi]

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[QueenB3blue]

Congrats Uschi!!


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[TaytumJ]

Yay!! Big congrats Uschi!! So exciting!! Hopefully we have sticky beans and we can be due date buddies! [emoji4]


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[Junie]

Uschi- I squealed when I saw this- CONGRATS!!!! :) Enjoy your cinnabon, steak, and chocolate ice cream :D

[2boysJustOneGirl]

Congrats uschi!!


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[uschi]

Uschi- I squealed when I saw this- CONGRATS!!!! :) Enjoy your cinnabon, steak, and chocolate ice cream :D

WooHOO!!

[uschi]

Thanks for your kind words ladies. Part of the reason I'm so upset af showed is because DH is not on the same page as me. After months of persuation he has agreed to ttc, but still hopes that I give up on having another baby. So every cycle I have to talk him into it again, and I don't like it, to say the least. Anyway, I'm trying to find comfort in the fact that my fertility is declining, which is good for a pink sway. Just hope I can still get pregnant! I'll be turning 41 in a couple of months, so no time to waste.

Hi Grace,
I feel your pain; at 39 I feel the same way. I also had to persuade DH every month, which just multiplies the pressure exponentially. But hang in there; I hope and pray you can join me in the BFP club soon!

[uschi]

Yay!! Big congrats Uschi!! So exciting!! Hopefully we have sticky beans and we can be due date buddies! [emoji4]


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Yes, stick, babies, stick!

[Grace]

Great news uschi!! Congratulations!

[TaytumJ]

I know, I just got an email from my doctor on my progesterone levels and they seem really low. But at about 9dpo I'm not sure how high they should be. I won't be going back in until tomorrow to see, but at this point I'm a little glad I haven't told DH just in case things don't go as planned.


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[uschi]

Keep us posted; I'll be thinking of and praying for you!

[XXforhubby]

Huge congrats Uschi! Enjoy getting off the TTC train!!!

TaytumJ- I am Xing everything and [emoji120]that everything is ok! Keep us posted!!


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[uschi]

Thanks, XX! And thank you for jumping in and offering advice and support on the other thread when I had questions last month!

[uschi]

Hmmm, I just scrolled back and I thought I had posted something else, but don't see it. Long story short, XX, what do you think about my faint line? I'm estimating 14dpo. I've had two chemicals so of course I'm nervous. I know you didn't get a positive until 21dpo once though!

[eleena2014]

Congrats to everyone with bfp so far!! Hope there sticky and healthy.
Well depending on when I ovulated I am 6 or 7 dpo. Don't know when to test. I was wanting to wait till Thursday but ill probably end up testing wed.

[uschi]

.....and that was with FMU

[XXforhubby]

Hmmm, I just scrolled back and I thought I had posted something else, but don't see it. Long story short, XX, what do you think about my faint line? I'm estimating 14dpo. I've had two chemicals so of course I'm nervous. I know you didn't get a positive until 21dpo once though!

I am a firm believer that a line is a line, but I understand your concern. I would test again in 3-4 days, and you should see a darker line. Sometimes it takes a bit for the placenta to start churning out copious amounts of HCG. In 3-4 days time, the placenta should be producing enough HCG for a gorgeous line. As long as you are not spotting or having blood tinged CM, I wouldn't worry about a chemical.

FX and [emoji120]that this a healthy, sticky bean!!!


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[Mars]

Congrats uschi! Watching and waiting for more BFP! :)

[TaytumJ]

After thinking about it, I think that the blood test was just to confirm pregnancy - I don't think they were doing progesterone until Monday. So the number I got (1.7) lines up more with a blood pregnancy test at 9dpo than progesterone. I think it may have been a typo on my online account. I'll have to ask tomorrow.

Took a Wondfo today when I got home (2pm) but I think it was still negative. Going to use my FRER tomorrow morning with FMU to get a better idea. My nipples are much more sore today so I think things are just progressing today, and hopefully tomorrow I'll get my own BFP at home!

I'm worrying right there with you Uschi, especially with my three days of light bleeding before the BFP at the doctors. Praying for both of us!


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[HealthyGirl]

I'm going to join you ladies.
Good luck everyone!

So DH and I DTD 2 days before a positive OPK and the day before that we BD with protection with the big O.

I can't get it out of my head that by BD the day before we somehow screwed things up for a pink sway even though we used protection.

Should I not be worried about this?


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[XXforhubby]

Kitbedit- Welcome! GL and FX you caught the egg! Depending on how fertile you and DH are, you could get a BFP from 2 days before positive opk.

I hope things work out the way you want them to!


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[Junie]

Kitbedit- Welcome! Don't worry about the time where you had protection, it shouldn't affect your sway at all. :)

[2boysJustOneGirl]

I'm going to join you ladies.
Good luck everyone!

So DH and I DTD 2 days before a positive OPK and the day before that we BD with protection with the big O.

I can't get it out of my head that by BD the day before we somehow screwed things up for a pink sway even though we used protection.

Should I not be worried about this?


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We did the same thing! Bd protected the night before out attempt and it makes me nervous.


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[essnce629]

Congrats Uschi!!!! I don't like blue dye tests! I bet you'd get nice dark lines on a FRER!

Taytum-- good luck tomorrow! I bet you'll have blaring lines on your FRER! My FRER was nice and dark at 11dpo, but my cheapies were absolute squinters till 13dpo.

[essnce629]

XX-- your chart still looks triphasic even with the temp drop! Fingers crossed for you!

[maidentomother]

Uschi, congrats! I also dislike blue dye tests, go get a FRER and post that :)

Grace, I'm sorry AF came :(

Girlie, tarasue, and kit - hope you caught the egg! BDing with protection does not affect a pink sway negatively at all.

I am having tiny bits of EWCM and lots of Watery CM, way earlier than I should. But I have some nice sensitive American OPKs to start testing with tomorrow.

[uschi]

Thanks, Maiden! And thank you also for jumping in and helping me last month when I had questions. I hope your advice about dropping exercise didn't come too late! I had full intentions of doing the intense exercise option, but as the weeks and months went by, I realized I just wasn't doing it every day for whatever reason. But I totally spaced on the need to drop it instead of keeping up my average amount. I think I thought it would help with the weight loss, but forgot about the blue sway factor :worry:
How is it going for you? Are you going to every three days this month?

[TaytumJ]

XX - I LOVE your chart!! That looks so promising! Fingers crossed for you! :D

Maiden - hopefully you're going to O soon! I'll be anxiously watching and stalking!

Good luck to everyone else who is in the 2WW!

I'm hoping that I get some good answers bright and early tomorrow morning. Or, that if my progesterone is that extremely low, we can start to get some help right away to help keep everything running smoothly through the first trimester. At only 12dpo tomorrow I'm hoping we caught things early enough to make an impact, or, at the very least, know ahead of time so that next month we can be prepared for low progesterone levels.

[Junie]

Taytum- I'm guessing they didn't test your progesterone. You were still so early on when you had your appt. I also wouldn't worry about not getting dark positives yet. I'm sure today at 13 DPO that you will get one :)

Maiden- I hope you O quickly this cycle! I think gearing up to O early is a good sign (one I would like to experience LOL). I also agree with you that I didn't O when FF is saying but my chart looks awful when I put in different O days- the kids being sick and me getting up in the night is probably not helping things.

essnce- I'm loving your chart! I hope those temps keep going up :)

XX- I hope that was an implantation dip!! :) Your chart looks great.

AFM- I'm wondering if I have even O'd. My OPKs are getting darker again. Honestly I wouldn't mind if I haven't O'd yet- then I still have a chance LOL. Of course AF could also just be right around the corner. We'll BD tonight and then I'll just keep temping and waiting :)

[kkkk37]

Uschi, congrats!

I am today at 11 DPO and got BFN. Very sad :sad:

[Junie]

I'm so sorry KKK37- I hope it is just too early!!

[TaytumJ]

Thanks Junie for the encouragement. I've, of course, been googling and worrying about it all night (although not much I can do now, just wait.). Took my FRER this morning and BFN. Frustrating. Hopefully more answers today at the office - I'll update in a few hours. I hope everyone has a great day!


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[TaytumJ]

Just got off the phone with my OB: she said that on Friday my HCG was a 9, but progesterone was the really low 1.7. Today my HCG is back down to a 4, so something happened where I must have just timed it right going in there to pick up the faint line on the test, but it didn't actually implant. So she didn't think that it was actually a miscarry, but instead didn't get a chance to implant. Onward and upward though. Hopefully I'll see everyone in the March 2WW. Good luck to everyone with their BFPs! :)

[XXforhubby]

I am so sorry TaytumJ! You have such a great attitude! Thanks for reminding me that I need to start the March 2ww thread!

I sure hope and [emoji120]that next cycle brings you your BFP! [emoji8]


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[VegMom]

BFN still. Expecting AF tomorrow or Weds. Disappointed of course but looking forward to next month. And please, for the love of all that is good, discourage me from any testing talk until at least 12dpo next time.

[uschi]

So sorry for the false hope, Taytum!! You have a great spirit about it and I hope March is your month!
Sorry for the BFN, Vegmom! Yes, delay testing :wink: It's harder, but easier if you know what I mean.

[uschi]

AFM - just returned from the lab. Will keep you posted on my blood test. (sorry no FRER ;)

[XXforhubby]

Vegmom- hugs! Have yourself a great cheat day, or two! I sure hope next cycle is it for you [emoji8]!

Uschi- Xing everything and [emoji120]for a healthy, sticky bean!!!!


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[sageviolet]

Congrats, uschi!!! Hope your labs go well!

Taytum, I'm so sorry. At least you know some things are working, right? I feel so in the dark about what's going on with my body. I went to see a dr earlier this month, but she wouldn't run any blood tests yet, said I needed to take Creighton classes and chart that way first. I suspect my body is doing the same thing yours is with our perfect timing month after month and then false hopes.

Anyway, I finally got the Napro book I had to special order through the library (opted to do that before signing up for any of those classes!) and something that really stuck out to me and I want to share with you ladies is that you can still have an o with a follicle that isn't maturing right and then doesn't form a good corpus luteum. If it isn't quite right, your hormones will be off and you will be more likely to have pms symptoms and that just rung so true with me about how I'm having all these "early pregnancy symptoms" every month since we're ttc.

Yeah, why waste my time taking those classes and making "proper" charts when I know my body and can tell what's going on right now? The book has explained my case to me even without blood tests: I'm not getting good ewcm before o because I don't have good estrogen. I'm getting stuff like ewcm in the 2ww and just before af and spotting before af because the estrogen and progesterone are off. They're off because my follicles and then corpus luteum are not maturing right. So my current tactic is acupuncture and really trying to improve my overall health, eating even better, exercising even better. The book didn't describe an exact treatment for this sort of situation, although it did mention B6 for people with dry cm, but that probably hasn't done much for me because that's not my problem; I do get cm, it's just not great quality and comes at the wrong times. I need to study more and memorize the description of fertile cm, which was stretchy, clear, and/or something. Anyway, great book if anyone is truly overly obsessed with all this stuff. Obsession helps sway boy, right? lol

[XXforhubby]

You got it Sage- classic boy mom obsession [emoji170][emoji170]! Keep posting as you read more- I really liked your post!

AFM-I hope I'm not getting the virus my boys had. I'm so tired/exhausted today! I almost threw up when working out because I was pushing myself too hard. I cannot afford to be sick right now. DH is studying for his comp. exams before he can start writing his dissertation, and he won't be home much to support me. My in-laws are great, but I try not to overuse their help. My mom is sweet, but she is grossly incompetent. Ugh. I hope DS2 lets me sleep tonight....and DH wants to BD! Sandman take me away....


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[SweetLily]

Congrats, uschi!!! Hope your labs go well!

Taytum, I'm so sorry. At least you know some things are working, right? I feel so in the dark about what's going on with my body. I went to see a dr earlier this month, but she wouldn't run any blood tests yet, said I needed to take Creighton classes and chart that way first. I suspect my body is doing the same thing yours is with our perfect timing month after month and then false hopes.

Anyway, I finally got the Napro book I had to special order through the library (opted to do that before signing up for any of those classes!) and something that really stuck out to me and I want to share with you ladies is that you can still have an o with a follicle that isn't maturing right and then doesn't form a good corpus luteum. If it isn't quite right, your hormones will be off and you will be more likely to have pms symptoms and that just rung so true with me about how I'm having all these "early pregnancy symptoms" every month since we're ttc.

Yeah, why waste my time taking those classes and making "proper" charts when I know my body and can tell what's going on right now? The book has explained my case to me even without blood tests: I'm not getting good ewcm before o because I don't have good estrogen. I'm getting stuff like ewcm in the 2ww and just before af and spotting before af because the estrogen and progesterone are off. They're off because my follicles and then corpus luteum are not maturing right. So my current tactic is acupuncture and really trying to improve my overall health, eating even better, exercising even better. The book didn't describe an exact treatment for this sort of situation, although it did mention B6 for people with dry cm, but that probably hasn't done much for me because that's not my problem; I do get cm, it's just not great quality and comes at the wrong times. I need to study more and memorize the description of fertile cm, which was stretchy, clear, and/or something. Anyway, great book if anyone is truly overly obsessed with all this stuff. Obsession helps sway boy, right? lol

I had to do the creighton classes! I was so desperate for help with my anxiety and panic (and severe pms, combined with strange mc's) that IO did the course--The lady thought the hormones might be causing my sudden anxiety disorder. Are you in calgary? I wonder if its the same lady... ;)

Anyway, while I felt I knew my body, I had to do the courses and learn to chart 'their way' but overall I found it hugely helpful (not the course, my meds after). Basically, after you learn your body their way, they do the blood work, figure out where you are, then prescribe estrogen, progesterone or HCG shots to even you out. I like the hcg shots best, it makes you make your own hormones and not synthetic, and I feel way better on that than the progesterone/estro mix.

I quit charting, I know when I O and then I have to get my blood tests on 7 dpo. I have found the program very helpful in that I now have help for my horrible symptoms which my own drs wouldn't help me with! But you have to do whats right for you--just sharing my experience.

[SweetLily]

Congrats to the bfps, and sorry to taytun and vegmom for your bfn's. I hope you get your bfps soon! Just thought I'd check in :)

[kkkk37]

Sorry for the BFN, Taytum!! But you seems to be very optimistic, I wish I have the same attitude as you.

I am at 12 DPO, still BNF.

[kkkk37]

Sorry for the BFN, Vegmom!

[Grace]

Vegmom- sorry for the BFN, I know exactly how you feel.
Taytum- sorry things didn't work out.
See you next month xxx

[Mars]

Sorry to hear there have been more BFN :(

[eleena2014]

There might be one more at the end of this week.lol. I don't think I caught the egg this month, I'm just not feeling it at all. Df was ill with a bad cold (man flu) when we bd so that doesn't help. I'll test tomorrow but I will only be 9/10 dpo if its negative ill test again fri sat and Sunday. I got caught second month trying with both my boys, first time and only one attempt before the miscarriage. Just seems like since I had a scrape everything's gone downhill [emoji22]

[Junie]

Taytum- I'm so sorry to read this:( I'm glad you have such a lovely attitude about it- I would have been really frustrated and sad in your shoes :( I hope this next cycle is much much shorter for you and brings a nice big BFP!

XX- Take it easy! I'm exhausted just reading about everything you have going on. I think you shouldn't worry about calling your in-laws too much, normally they offer help because they really want to help and be a part of their kids and grandchildren's lives. I'm still loving your chart and hoping this is your BFP cycle!

Sage- I'm glad you feel like the book was helpful for you! I think your plan of getting as healthy as possible is great. Hopefully that is all you need and your BFP is waiting for you this cycle. Plus obsessing or "researching" is SO boy mom. I do it all the time. :)

uschi- I'm excited to hear how your blood test went!

Vegmom- I'm so sorry this cycle didn't work out- but you're not out until AF shows- which hopefully won't happen!

sweetlily- Your experience with the creighton course or at least what came after sounds great!

Eleena- I hope you see two lines if you test today!

AFM- This cycle is driving me crazy. (TMI) I had spotting yesterday after a BM and after BDing and thought OK AF is finally coming. This morning I wake up,and my temp is lower but no AF, no spotting, nothing. Felt my cervix and nothing.
I am probably completely crazy and AF is going to show in a few hrs. I have all the signs backache, cramping, etc. However if AF doesn't show today I think I must have O'd later than FF thinks...which means AF is probably still just around the corner for me. This cycle really has it in for me! :)

[sageviolet]

Junie - Sounds like the same thing my body did this month: some spotting, then nothing, then eventually af. My acupuncturist said it sounded like I might have been pregnant for a minute, but it was never enough to show a bfp.

SweetLily - Thanks for sharing your experiences! I'm in Baltimore, MD. So how long did it take you to do all that and get a bfp?

[XXforhubby]

Junie - Sounds like the same thing my body did this month: some spotting, then nothing, then eventually af. My acupuncturist said it sounded like I might have been pregnant for a minute, but it was never enough to show a bfp.

I think I'm in the same boat as you two. I think my body is trying to hold onto an eggie. I keep having intermittent spotting that amounts to nothing on a liner but is there when I wipe. AF is due on Saturday, and other than the intermittent spotting, I don't have any other sign of AF. I have an acupuncture appointment today, which is good!

Hang in there ladies! I hope to see a few more surprise BFPS! I am [emoji120]that March brings in more BFPs!



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[Rosie85]

Eleena...I too fell pregnant the first time everytime until after my d&c. I have heard it can really throw your fertility off because it affects your cycles and lining. It took me 6 months to get pregnant after mine. Don't give up hope! Good luck and hope it happens quickly for you!

[eleena2014]

But my periods have been on time and so have my opks.

[eleena2014]

I noticed today my boobs are more tender than usual and my nipples are constantly erect! These are the symptoms I had last time I got a bfp. Maybe I am on with a chance after all.we will see

[SweetLily]

sage, I have not gotten a bfp that has stuck since doing the creighton. There is something else going on, I seem to have a myriad of issues. you wouldnt think ti to look at me, I am fit, I work out, climb mountains (literally) and do so much--it makes no sense. I am 20 lbs heavier than my perfect weight and can't lose so I think My thyroid is out, but the numbers on the 2 tests they did are perfect--right in the middle, not even on the border. That said I have been taking iodine for my thyroid theraputically and my cycle has started getting better--more ewcm for more days (lately its been only 1 day or 12 hours...it should be 6 days approximately in a healthy female) so its definately doing SOMETHING..I suspect my T3 is out and they refuse to test it cause the other 2 are perfect. Grrr...after so many mc's you think they would explore it or at least HUMOR me with the test! So sorry to not give you good news on that front--It has not fixed my fertility, but I do feel much better.

[essnce629]

essnce- I'm loving your chart! I hope those temps keep going up :)

Thanks Junie, but I don't really have a chance at being pregnant at all. DH has been using the pull out method or condoms since my miscarriage back in October. He doesn't want any more kids. So I'm living vicariously through everyone else and cheering you all on, while hoping that the condom miraculously rips to shreds or that he forgets to wear one and doesn't pull out!

[TaytumJ]

Thanks everyone for the encouragement. As my first time ever seeing two pink lines, you do get pretty attached to them. I allowed myself yesterday after the doctor's call to cry about it and be bummy. BUT, doing that won't bring another BFP if I don't get my butt in gear for this cycle! Although thinking about starting TTC all over again is exhausting - I just am really hoping and praying that I can get a regular cycle and O on CD15 - NOT waiting around forever again. Hopefully though, my body knows what to do now! :)

XX - I love the upward motion of your chart! Everything looks so great! I hope that this is your cycle and a pink eggie hangs on in there! Can't wait to follow along and see how this ends up!

Junie - I hate being in limbo like that! Hopefully your spotting is good spotting and not AF spotting. I've got my fingers crossed for you as well!

Eleena - perhaps your sore boobs/erect nipples is a sign. I felt like I was constantly cold last weekend, so my nipples were really erect (and really sore!). Hopefully that's a good sign for you as well! I have never had a D&C, but a friend of mine did and it did take her a few months after to get pregnant, but as soon as she did she carried it full-term and now has a healthy 3 year old!

Sage - I feel like I understand completely what you're saying about EWCM. I don't feel like I've gotten any either (or, I thought I did, but then thought maybe it was just from BDing the night before). Mine is always mostly watery. I'm going to try to Robitussum this cycle and hope that does the trick for us. It really sounds like you know your stuff so that has to be very frustrating when you can't get the help that you want. I hope both of us get answers and BFPs soon.

[essnce629]

So sorry Taytum about the BFN. That really sucks! I hope you get your sticky bean soon.

And sorry about everyone else's BFNs as well. I hope March is a much better month!

[Junie]

Essnce629 I had forgotten that, sorry. I hope with time he comes around.... Mine did and I mean a year ago he was saying absolutely no way and now he'll do whatever he has to and is excited about TTC #3.

[eleena2014]

Essnce sorry about dh not agreeing to another. I bet it's so frustrating. Hope he changes his mind either now or in the near future xx

[Rosie85]

Eleena...yup my cycles were regular and i had positive opks. I think your symptoms sound promising! !

[eleena2014]

I'm testing in the morning. Depending on wet her I ovulated sat or Sunday I'm either 10 dpo or 9 dpo. If I had a +opk Sunday morning when do u think I would have ovulated. I Def felt cramps sun night.

[EmileeJane]

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13 Dpo! I'm in shock. Haven't told anyone. This pic was taken probably 15 min after I took it this morning. It wasn't that dark initially but I definitely didn't have to look twice.
There are some crazy things happening in my life right now. Last week DH said he may not want #3 cuz he's scared for a 3rd boy. And just last Thursday he unexpectedly got laid off! They cut 3 of the newest hires because apparently the company's sales and demands aren't big enough. That's all A LOT! I'm glad for this and scared of the timing. I know he'll find something else it's just crazy unexpected. I'm trying to look at it as being new and better possibilities for us.
My only symptoms have been a lot of menstrual like cramping and low back aches. I've had 2 bouts of nausea but that could have been anything. I'm still super crampy and afraid AF will come in a day or two.
Crossing my fingers for a sticky babe!

[EmileeJane]

Wow that pic looks like nothing! I'll try again. I can hardly get a second to myself on this 'vacation'. There are constantly people around me. Give me a bit. . .

[Junie]

EmileeJane- I am so so SO thrilled for you!! You sounded so low before and you absolutely deserve a nice big sticky BFP. Of course I also hope it is a little girl you have cooking in there! I'm very sorry about your husband losing his job but I'm sure he will find something else. :)

[EmileeJane]

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[EmileeJane]

Thanks Junie. Yeah weird WEIRD stuff! I was so hoping for a BFP this month since DH was getting cold feet. Then the job loss was a shocker and I thought 'Crap! Still wanted this baby cuz DH will call it off for sure now!'
Waiting to tell him. Hopefully he sees the good in it when I do.
Hope for a healthy, sticky baby! Hopefully a daughter!
Thanks

[Junie]

Ooh that is one great second line! I'm sure as he soon your husband hears the news he will be so excited for you. This timing was meant to be :)

[uschi]

Wow, so interesting that a lot of DHs are iffy! I'm glad I'm not the only one; just means we're all normal. Mine is getting excited already though now that the BFP came. Labs showed hcg of 85 and prog. 13.5. Doc was pleased. Will retest tomorrow to make sure things keep climbing.

Essnce - I'm so so sorry your dream is on hold. Hopefully that's all it is; on hold!
Eleena - FX for you!
EmileeJane - HUGE CONGRATS!

Sorry if I missed anyone......crazy day with DS's today!

[VegMom]

AF has arrived. Bittersweet of course but looking forward to trying again in March.

[XXforhubby]

EmileeJane- that is awesome! There is never a perfect time. I am praying for a healthy sticky bean, and a new, better job for DH!

Vegmom- I'm so sorry [emoji20]. I sure hope March is your month!


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[Sunbuny]

Hi to everybody

Just popping in whilst I have access to a computer rather then a short reply from my phone (which is so annoying). I wanted to congratulate everybody who has gotten BFP's this month - I'm sure its inspirational to all of us still waiting around. I tend to be in the 2WW twice - I was here at the beginning of Feb and had a BFN and now I'm on CD 20 but instead of waiting I'm kicking myself. I was using OPK tests but for some reason I never get a positive test so I missed ovulation. I ovulated on day 10 (super early for me) but my temps and CM confirm this so next month I'm giving the OPK's a miss and just trying every 4 days. We started TTC in December but I don't feel like we've ever gotten a proper go due to poor timing and my difficulties with OPKs. Anyway, thats my gripe of the day.

Just wanted to pop in, say hello, I always read and am always amazing and inspired by the lovely group of ladies in this group. You all have amazing attitudes. Different groups and forums have different vibes but this is such a positive group even when the news isn't always so good.

Good luck all and see some of you in March 2WW. Hopefully we all acheive our dreams of BFP and desired gender soon.

xxxx

[Junie]

Hi Sunbuny!! I think doing every 4 days helps take a lot of the guesswork out. Good luck this coming cycle and I absolutely agree I'm on a few different forums and this one is my absolute favorite, everyone is so caring and welcoming no matter what cycle you are on or how you are TTC. I love you all and am on CD1 so we'll see some of you in the March 2WW :)

[eleena2014]

bfn today,not even a squinter. hoping its just too early.

[Junie]

Sorry eleena!!

[eleena2014]

whats the bd every 4 days? might have to start doing that.what day do you start bd?

[Junie]

Eleena- instead of trying to time it right with OPKs you just BD every 4 days which should guarantee you one BD session in the fertile window. You can start whenever you want as long as you start before you normally O :)

[eleena2014]

so say i ovulate on sunday night (which i think i did this month) i would bd wed and sun? or would it be better thursday and monday?

[maidentomother]

EJ - huge congrats! Obviously the timing was meant to be. Fx your DH finds and even better job. I hope your little girl is in there! Beautiful line btw especially for a cheapie.

Vegmom - I'm sorry. I hope you get lucky this cycle.

Eleena, it could well be too early or maybe you Oed later than you think. With BD every 4 days you don't time it a certain way. But yeah, depending on the timing, one attempt at positive opk can be better timed generally.

Look at my temp drop! I can't imagine I'll have even more EWCM, it's already been insane. I feel like I'm in my 20s again!

[kkkk37]

EmileeJane congrats. The best things happen when you don't expect them.

I am at 13 DPO today, and as the last two days BFN.
AF should start tomorrow.
But today and yesterday I have cramps, it is not typical for me, normally if I have ones, it is very light and only when AF starts. What could it be? I have mc two months ago, can it be the reason?

Thanks in advance.

[eleena2014]

Kkkk I had a mc in Nov and now before my period I get cramps and really bad lower back pain. And my period is a lot heavier than what it used to be .

[kkkk37]

Eleena2014, thank for the quick reply.

Do you know why it is so? What did your Doc say?
It is the third cycle for me sice mc. The first two were ok, but what I have now is new to me. AF is not here jet. I will try to see my doc in the next two weeks.

[eleena2014]

my first was ok too. she just said its something that can happen and mc can reset your cycles/body.
there is nothing the doctors can do.it could be signs of pg if your last 2 periods were ok.
depending on when i ovulated i am 8/9 dpo still bfn. i know its prob still too early to test but before the mc i got a faint line at 10dpo.

[kkkk37]

eleena2014, every pregnancy is different, implantation can be between 5 and 12 DPO. If it happened on 8-10 DPO, you can get BNP later. So the hope is still there.
Do you have any other pregnancy symptoms?
I sadly have only cramps, nothing else.

:noaf:

[eleena2014]

i noticed from yesterday my boobs are more tender than usual and my nipples are constantly erect which is the same symtpoms i had before the mc. thats why i tested this morning. is it true that if u havent implanted yet,you wont get pg symptoms anyway as the hormone wont be there

[kkkk37]

it is very promising, maybe the hormone concentration was too low for the test.
How sensible is your test? If you want to test so early you should take one 15 mIU/ml test.

[eleena2014]

10 miu

[Junie]

Your chart looks fantastic Maiden!

[kkkk37]

eleena2014, I wish you BFP in the next days, finger cross:noaf:

[XXforhubby]

Sunbuny- sorry this cycle didn't workout [emoji20]. When I do BD every 4 days, I find it best to start the day AF ends and continue until confirmed temp rise, CM dries up, or up to CD21 (in case of late O). FX and [emoji120]next cycle brings a BFP!

Junie- sorry AF came [emoji22]. I'm sure next cycle will be the one!!

Eleena- I think it's too early yet. I would test again in 3 days!

Kkkk37- I am [emoji120] AF stays away!

Maiden- OMG! I'm loving your chart! I'm sure you'll get a BFP. Since you're BDing every 3 days! Xing everything!!!!

March BETTER not be underwhelming! We NEED more BFPs. like rabbit loads [emoji4][emoji38]!!


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[XXforhubby]

AFM- AF should start later today or tomorrow most likely. We will probably keep BDing every 3-4 days and continue for a few more attempts after temp rise. I was expecting this cycle to be wonky, since this is the first cycle after DS2 stopped BFing. I'll let my acupuncturist know about this cycle to see if things need tweaking. I bet it is just from no longer BFing though.

See some of you in the March 2ww thread, and I'll follow the rest of you ladies in the due date thread [emoji4]!


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[sageviolet]

xx - Your chart looks so great! FX things turn out differently this cycle! lol at the March rabbits metaphor. Yes!

sweetlily - My apologies, I thought your signature meant you were expecting, but I see you are being optimistic? I'm glad you figured out the iodine! It's a shame they wouldn't test. I've heard so much about standard thyoid tests being inaccurate and needing to look at several components to get an accurate picture. I am still undecided about the classes. It's like I want to have that as an option if we can't get a bfp in the next couple of months, but I hate that they take so much time and money, and childcare is an issue for us. I know some of the teachers do distance learning, so I contacted one today to ask about prices for that.

taytum - I've tried guafenesin (used the Walgreen's brand 12 hour extended release tablets since I don't like the dyes and additives in Robatussin and Mucinex), and obviously it did not work for me. If anything, it made me even more watery, which is my problem already. I know it works for some ladies. It probably depends on the root nature of what the hold-up is in your body. Do I sound like I know a lot, lol? That's just what you end up sounding like after doing this stuff for a year!

emilee - Congrats and condolences! Wow, that's a lot going on in your life. FX he finds and even better job and you end up holding a pink bundle!

Sunbuny - Thanks, and *hugs*! See you in the March 2ww!

eleena - FX for you!

Maiden - Super! What do you think causes your big temp dip and lots of cm? I know chemically it's estrogen, but is there something you do? Do you think it's from the fasting?

Would you all like to see my latest research?
I found this lovely chart on meds that affect cm: http://www.gaithersburgfertilitycare.org/sites/default/files/pictures/NFP_Focus.pdf
And I was reading Wellness Mama and found this lovely gem about fertility: http://wellnessmama.com/1326/get-pregnant-naturally/
And if anyone is interested in her articles on supplements, here are those links, too:
Vitex http://wellnessmama.com/8314/vitex-herb-profile/
Maca http://wellnessmama.com/8254/maca-herb-profile/

[zillers]

Hello all, popping in quickly with a question. I was lazy swaying pink this cycle, but including the LE diet. At the moment I'm 10 dpo and still bfn. I know from elsewhere on the site that the recommendation is to stick with the LE diet during the 2ww. Well, I've finally caught the terrible bug DH has been fighting for almost 2 weeks and DS has had for 4-5 days. I can feel that if I keep up with the LE diet I won't get better in a decent time frame. Am I good to drop the LE diet for awhile, or should I deal with feeling like a dead dog for as long as possible so I maintain the LE diet and am possibly still half-way sick when TTC in March? Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

Good luck to all with sticky beans, either this cycle or the next to follow!

[XXforhubby]

Sage- loved the article on fertility! Thanks for doing research so I don't have to [emoji8][emoji170]!

Zillers- I hope you feel better soon! What is it about the LE diet that makes you feel you won't recover soon? Not eating meat? No snacking between meals? There are no forbidden foods (Except avoiding red meat as much as possible). If you do need to eat more small meals, that should be fine as long as you stay within the overall limits. If you have to stop, remember that a few days doesn't undermine all the work you have done previously. I hope you get well soon!


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[SweetLily]

Wow that was a lot of reading to catch up on this morning!

Sage--great links! Thanks :) My lady does skype sessions, but she charges the same. Honestly, the course was NOT fun. they actually drill you on a few questions, including the right way to test cm (its on the TP by the way, with a fingertip. Eeew--I mean, Im not squeamish, but I dont want to talk to someone about that...as for me I dont get enough cm to test that way and go against all their teachings by testing inside...LOL) In any case, make sure you have privacy cause my lady asked things that I was actually embarrassed to discuss in front of dh and we talk about everything except our BM's!!!!

Emilee, CONGRATS on that gorgeous BFP!!!! I always say, when its THE WORST POSSIBLE TIMING, you will get your bfp. I expect a BFP this month. DH will find a job, I am sure. Mine is away working for the first time in our 7 year relationship/marriage and coming home every 2 weeks, its not fun. We have invested everything we own in our business and have some huge sales pending, but we are riding it out waiting for the deals to close. And the deals take FOREVER...I might have something new to bring DH home for the next 4 months so fx to that! I hope your dh gets something too, and glad you causght that egg cause being a MAN he WOULD have called it off...and that brings me to the next posts I followed here...

As for DH's changing their minds (and I am sorry I forgot names, but there were a couple of you and I am groggy from antihistamines!) DH's ALWAYS change their minds! All the time! I have had a n on again off again ttc with our DD for the last 3 years, and many of the girls will remember that from back in the days of IG...I have been HERE since its inception. I just dont frequent sometimes out of frustration--over DH chaning is mind and calling it off (after months of diet hell) or because of my own body's lacks of cooperation and having chemical after chemical. I get pregnancy just long enough to get 3 days of bfps and then they go back to bfn. SO maddening! I wish someone could just figure it out already! Dhs want perfect timing or they tend to bail. they get cold feet and freak out. They don;t understand that there really never is an ideal time in most ppls lives (Ok, I have known a few who were truly ready on every level, but they are few and far between!). Hugs to you.

Maiden, that chart is looking good. what a temp drop, I have never seen one of mine fall so low like that. I hope you catch your egg this month.

AFM, I can suddenly smell everything and he scent of the dogs makes me want to barf (no kidding...) and I even had to make DS change his pjs when he came to bed last night cause they smelled yucky straight out of the laundry. Gotta rewash that load! Eek. So like I said, this should be my month according to my theories in life, cause there could not be a worse month at all than now! I have 4 kids, I know all about the luck of timing. IN FACT, I was so desperate to get KU with DD that I threw all my maternity clothes out from my previous (ok, I think I donated them but anyway) and sure enough THAT MONTH I got my bfp after months of trying. All my other kids were OHW while USING bc! And with DS1, I honestly got pregnant the month I went out and bought a whole new wardrobe, and couldt wear those clothes again for a year. LOL.

Well, sorry for the bfns on here, I hope you guys catch your eggs soon. FX to sticky beans and bfps!

[zillers]

XX, the low protein, low fat, and skipping breakfast. All conspire to keep my blood sugar low, which is obviously the point. Being sick I crave calories with staying power like protein and fat, and when my blood sugar dips, especially in the morning, I get quite dizzy.

[XXforhubby]

XX, the low protein, low fat, and skipping breakfast. All conspire to keep my blood sugar low, which is obviously the point. Being sick I crave calories with staying power like protein and fat, and when my blood sugar dips, especially in the morning, I get quite dizzy.

Me too. I have an overnight fast of 16+ hours. My last meal is around 5:30pm-6:30pm, and I have my first meal around 9:30-11:00 most days. This helps me a lot. I have 3 small-average meals a day. As long as you have a big overnight fast and another small fast between lunch and dinner (for me 5-6 hours), this should help a lot. I have hypoglycemia and this allows me to do the LE diet without crashing!

You may need to switch to longer acting carbs like whole grains, unless you are gluten intolerant. This helps prevent the huge crash after meals, but you still get your blood sugar low before the next meal.

Also, have the upper limits of protein and fat right now- 50grams protein 60grams fat. That should help your cravings while not going over board. When you're sick, this is a good time to plan a few cheats!
Hope this helps!


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[Junie]

Maiden- I forgot to tell you I liked the book but didn't like the love triangle. I'm reading a book by Grace Draven now and enjoying it, have you read any of hers? I read one once before and liked it.

[maidentomother]

zillers, I wouldn't go off the LE bc you are sick. Just have lots of soups and fluids - totally LE friendly!

Junie, XX, sage and sweetlily, thank you! I'm not fasting anymore. The first week if this cycle I was alternating 1000 & 2000 cal days, and then the past few days I've been eating around 1500 daily. I decided based on my recent short LPs and extra light AFs I didn't want to risk losing more weight. My temp almost always drops down to 97.3-5 at one point, and then I O 2-6 days later usually (if I'm not on any supps). But usually my temps drop to around 97.7-8 for a few days before dropping to their lowest point. This month the drop is bigger and earlier. But it's also just a crazy cycle bc I've had fertile CM on and off since CD2!

Unfortunately I have not been able to BD yet and I could O as soon as tomorrow. I've actually been really horny too for me. But either DF pisses me off (I can't have sex with a man I'm angry/annoyed with, it's my biggest turn off) or else he has excuses. Which then annoys me, grr. Plus no girl likes to feel rejected. Oh and just coming onto him doesn't work, but he complains I'm too clinical when I tell him we need to BD? I even went off my pain meds this am so I'd have a chance at orgasming but now I'm in major pain bc I waited so long.

[Junie]

Maiden- maybe tonight? :)

[SweetLily]

eek maiden, sucky!!! I hope you get your chance in. Grab him and pin him down! LOL!!!

[XXforhubby]

eek maiden, sucky!!! I hope you get your chance in. Grab him and pin him down! LOL!!!

You made me laugh!!


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[SweetLily]

Lol, well I MEANT IT! Maiden, get that man and get KNOCKED UP!!! Sending sticky vibes across he planet to you!!!

XX thanks for making ME laugh ;)

[maidentomother]

LOL, I would absolutely do that but I am not strong enough to restrain him. We tried and he couldn't finish. I think his own anger/disappointment with himself further got in the way. Which is annoying bc I am sooooooo good about not showing my own disappointment and being patient. But he wasn't even willing to work with me, grr. Maybe oral would work but I don't want anything to lower odds of conception at this point.

[maidentomother]

Btw XX I think your chart is still super promising, bc even with the latest temp drop your temp is wa is way higher than usual.

Junie, thank you for the German translation, I will try the REs at the Uni Klinik in Bonn or a center down in Koblenz, depending on which has an earlier opening. I'm pretty much exactly between the 2 cities.

[XXforhubby]

CD1, here's to March! May this month bring more BFPs!


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[tarasue]

Ah nuts XX, I was hoping this was your magic month!


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[XXforhubby]

I'll be shocked if I ever get a BFP! I've come to believe it is not in my cards, and I am fine with that. I'll buy one of every test at my local grocery store to be sure!!! If I ever get one [emoji6]


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[maidentomother]

Maiden- I forgot to tell you I liked the book but didn't like the love triangle. I'm reading a book by Grace Draven now and enjoying it, have you read any of hers? I read one once before and liked it.

I HATED that love triangle too. Plus I was totally not expecting it from the first book. At least it wasn't ever a full blown thing.

Funnily enough, I JUST read Radiance by Grace Draven and quite enjoyed it! What are you reading by her? I am reading the sequel to Captive in the Dark by CJ Roberts. I can only imagine it makes 50 Shades look tame. Btw I've decided I want to see the movie once comes out on BR.

[atomic sagebrush]

Congrats, uschi!!! Hope your labs go well!

Taytum, I'm so sorry. At least you know some things are working, right? I feel so in the dark about what's going on with my body. I went to see a dr earlier this month, but she wouldn't run any blood tests yet, said I needed to take Creighton classes and chart that way first. I suspect my body is doing the same thing yours is with our perfect timing month after month and then false hopes.

Anyway, I finally got the Napro book I had to special order through the library (opted to do that before signing up for any of those classes!) and something that really stuck out to me and I want to share with you ladies is that you can still have an o with a follicle that isn't maturing right and then doesn't form a good corpus luteum. If it isn't quite right, your hormones will be off and you will be more likely to have pms symptoms and that just rung so true with me about how I'm having all these "early pregnancy symptoms" every month since we're ttc.

Yeah, why waste my time taking those classes and making "proper" charts when I know my body and can tell what's going on right now? The book has explained my case to me even without blood tests: I'm not getting good ewcm before o because I don't have good estrogen. I'm getting stuff like ewcm in the 2ww and just before af and spotting before af because the estrogen and progesterone are off. They're off because my follicles and then corpus luteum are not maturing right. So my current tactic is acupuncture and really trying to improve my overall health, eating even better, exercising even better. The book didn't describe an exact treatment for this sort of situation, although it did mention B6 for people with dry cm, but that probably hasn't done much for me because that's not my problem; I do get cm, it's just not great quality and comes at the wrong times. I need to study more and memorize the description of fertile cm, which was stretchy, clear, and/or something. Anyway, great book if anyone is truly overly obsessed with all this stuff. Obsession helps sway boy, right? lol

I can't always keep up on these but someone asked me about this post in a PM and I need to address this.

It is normal to have pregnancy symptoms sometimes in the 2ww when things are functioning normally. IT's because your body makes a bunch of progesterone and that can cause symptoms. WE see this all the time with people who do prog supps, they have strong pregnancy symptoms. Having preg. symptoms in the 2ww DOES NOT mean anything is hormonally wrong with you.

It is also to get EWCM sometimes in the luteal phase. Many people report a bit of EWCM right before AF.

I just hate to see you guys poring over symptoms that are very likely meaningless. EVen though there are tons of books and sites that will make all these claims about X meaning Y the fact is that everyone is different and there is no conclusion to be drawn without blood tests about what is going on.b

If your doctor requires you to take classes and chart before running blood tests, get a new doctor. They are not doing their jobs.

[sageviolet]

Thanks, Atomic! You're awesome :-)

[Junie]

I HATED that love triangle too. Plus I was totally not expecting it from the first book. At least it wasn't ever a full blown thing.

Funnily enough, I JUST read Radiance by Grace Draven and quite enjoyed it! What are you reading by her? I am reading the sequel to Captive in the Dark by CJ Roberts. I can only imagine it makes 50 Shades look tame. Btw I've decided I want to see the movie once comes out on BR.

How funny! I'm reading Entreat me because I heard Radiance is better so I wanted to read that 2nd to not always make comparisons. Just read a description of the CJ Roberts trilogy- you're right that is on a totally different level :)

[eleena2014]

I think I'm out.tested this morning with a sensitive 10miu test and bfn. I'm not testing no more. Just gonna wait to see if af come on Sunday. I'm sure she will 😢

[Grace]

Sorry eleena!

[maidentomother]

Junie, I'll wait and see how you like Entreat Me vs Radiance. Although...I didn't realize that no further books in the Wraith King series were out yet, and I personally greatly prefer reading completed series vs those in progress, so I wish I hadn't read Radiance yet. If you're like me in this regard I'd hold off.

Eleena, I hope AF stays away. It's not so late tgat it's hopeless hun.

[maidentomother]

Hi Maiden! So sorry for the delayed response - wasn't ignoring! I've been out of town and didn't log on. I am 39.
I loved your usage of "dreck." Bist du deutsch, oder amerikanerin das in Deutschland wohnt?
I was speaking generally about any story or scenario that degrades and abuses women. I can't speak very well to BDSM as I have zero experience / exposure to it. It's not for me. But more importantly, I am truly bothered when people are entertained by the suffering or degradation of another.
I am sorry about your visit by AF! She is due tomorrow for me (stay away!!!) But I am holding off testing until Sunday.

I missed this! Thank you, I am a wordophile. I grew up in the US for the vast part, but I was born in Canada to an Australian mother & legal father, so I'm actually dual Canadian/Australian. My bio father is German however, and I spent 2 years in German-speaking schools in different countries. My only full blood sibling lives in the next town over and grew up partially in the village I live in now, with friends of the family who fostered him (our mom was psycho).

We will have to agree to disagree about consensual degradation/violence as well as more hardcore fantasies.

Taytum, I missed some of your posts too and I am SO sorry about your CP. Especially with how excited you were. I really hope the boosted fertility after an early loss theory is true and it helps you conceive a little boy quickly. I do think regardless you should see more normal cycles from here on out, fx. Thinking of you and hoping you are doing okay.

[sageviolet]

Eleena, *hugs*! If af comes, remember you get to cheat and pamper yourself for a day or two.

[uschi]

I missed this! Thank you, I am a wordophile. I grew up in the US for the vast part, but I was born in Canada to an Australian mother & legal father, so I'm actually dual Canadian/Australian. My bio father is German however, and I spent 2 years in German-speaking schools in different countries. My only full blood sibling lives in the next town over and grew up partially in the village I live in now, with friends of the family who fostered him (our mom was psycho).

We will have to agree to disagree about consensual degradation/violence as well as more hardcore fantasies.

Taytum, I missed some of your posts too and I am SO sorry about your CP. Especially with how excited you were. I really hope the boosted fertility after an early loss theory is true and it helps you conceive a little boy quickly. I do think regardless you should see more normal cycles from here on out, fx. Thinking of you and hoping you are doing okay.

Hi Maiden,
I was wondering if I offended! Glad you just missed it :) Wow, what an interesting upbringing. I think there is more to your story that I've missed because I'm relatively new, but I've seen your references to pain and recovery, etc. Would love a quick recap because you're quite knowledgeable and just wondered what your journey to this stage had been.

And Taytum, regarding the boosted fertility theory that Maiden mentions, I'd never heard of that but it was certainly true for me! I had two CPs in a row and then got pregnant with my second son all within the span of three quick months. In fact it happened so fast and without a period that I was six weeks pregnant before I realized it. Hopefully the same holds true for you!
(I love your picture by the way; looks like an extremely romantic wedding ;)

[maidentomother]

I agree with Uschi, lovely wedding pic Taytum!

Uschi, I'm very difficult to offend. ;) And I would certainly speak up if I were offended. My story is super long (probably everyone's is, though), but I wrote a lot of the main points out in my very first thread back in Dec 2013, if you search my started threads on my profile. The pain is bc I have severe scoliosis which unfortunately has been getting worse since 2006 (usually it stops once growth is finished, and it did hold steady for 10 years). The recovery refers to recent cosmetic surgery (I started a thread on that too); I had my abdomen & love handles liposucted and the fat injected into my substantially smaller right breast 3 months ago. Anything you're curious about just ask, or you can PM me but I take a while to respond to PMs bc I can't do do on my tablet which is how I prefer to internet. I.e. lying down vs sitting up, which is painful.

Thank you for your kind words and interest! :)

How do you like having your 2 boys so close together (and how far apart in age are they exactly)? It sounds like you intentionally tried to have them as close as possible/were aiming for a specific gap? Any particular reasoning behind it? How long did you BF your DS1 for and did that interfere with your goal to have another child soon/ASAP? I hope you don't mind all the Qs, and feel free to tell me off if I'm being too nosy. I wonder bc I would like to have my children as close together as possible (providing my scoliosis doesn't pose a problem), and I would also like to BF all my children long term (certainly for at least a year, and the first 6 months or so exclusively), so I'd love any advice!

Oh, and how many children do you think you want total? Why did you choose to have a bigger gap between DS2 and DC3, or have you been trying for a long time? Ideally, what gap would you want there?

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I bet your scoliosis won't pose as much a problem as you think. I have severe scoliosis- complete S curve in my thoracic, an S curve in my cervical and lumbar spine with lordosis in my sacral and thoracic spine. Both my pregnancies were great and labor was 6 hours from first contraction to holding my baby. With DS2, I did have horrible back labor, but going on all fours helped tremendously until I had to push. They let me push while sqauting and that took the pressure off.

You'll be fine- trust me!

Oh, and my scoliosis has gotten better my hips and legs are finally even!!!!!!


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[XXforhubby]

Geez- could we possibly have anything more in common Maiden?! I am really beginning to think we were separated at birth!


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[sageviolet]

Add me to the scoliosis club, lol. Have either of you read "8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back" or heard of Ester Gokhale? I first learned about it a couple of years ago, and it helped. I credit the spinning babies website, doing nightly pelvic tilts before laying down (as described in the Bradley book), and an awareness of letting my belly hang and not sink into my pelvis when I sat (I believe all that was on spinning babies) as contributing to my successful homebirth. The scoliosis wasn't an issue until she was about 3 months old and I was putting myself out of whack reaching for her so often at night. I had some physical therapy then and changed how I was moving, so things improved. Anyway, I saw dh's footprints in the snow last week and was motivated to pull the Gokhale book off the shelf again, so it's part of my renewed effort to be super healthy for my bfp and sway! Here's a fun video about neck stretches that I was just watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1U8RAoR-2s&feature=youtu.be

[uschi]

Maiden,
Thanks ~ I will read your earlier threads when I have time :)
BTW, my sister also has severe scoliosis and it seems to have improved after having her two DD's. She still sees a chiropractor regularly but she doesn't seem to mention pain nearly as much as she did before.

I didn't get married until I was 35 - not at all what I wanted, but wasn't going to settle on DH. So the race was on at that point. Couldn't TTC the first six months because I had just had my thyroid ablated and needed to wait for the radiation to fully exit my body. Then, DS1 came with one attempt. I was fully intending to EBF but was told he needed formula supplementation due to slow weight gain. So I BF and FF from the beginning. In hindsight and with more experience, I would have pushed harder to EBF and not just listened to the first person to tell me what to do. But this made DS1 less dependent on me and reduced my supply so he weaned himself at ten months when I got pregnant with DS2 (I assume he recognized a taste change). DS2 was EBF and he's a totally different story. We're still going strong at 15 months (just stopped round the clock last month) and he is showing absolutely no signs of wanting to wean. (I'm totally pro-BF, the longer the better. DH, who is British, and I totally laugh at the "controversies" surrounding it in the U.S. For instance, the TIME magazine cover two years ago with a BF four-year-old that caused a storm and the current show "The Slap" centering on a spoiled BF five-year old, or the fact that it's necessary to protect public BF with laws). DS's are 19 months apart; could have been 17 months if not for the CPs. I had two different docs with them and they both recommended TTC when DS was only six months just due to my age and assumed lower infertility. Knowing we were only having three, and being absolutely desperate for a DD, I found GD and bought a personalized plan. My period took longer to come back this time so didn't TTC until DS2 was eight months and we went for six cycles; that's the only reason for the bigger gap between these two. I'm 39 now and DH is 46 so just don't have luxury of time.

I have four siblings and always wanted at least four children, but that dream is dashed just due to age (I know it's possible, but I'm lucky to get three with DH). Ideally, for us, the gap would be two years, only due to our personalities and (in)ability to deal with stress ~ LOL
But 18 months is great for the kids and they will have such close relationships when they're older.

Hope that answered everything!

[smarston3]

Jumping in to say, every single girl on my father's side, 5 generations has a scoliosis. I was hoping that it was something IVF/PGD could screen for but unfortunately not. So sorry that you ladies suffer from this. 12 year old cousin's spine is complete rod. She will never grow. I mentioned to her mother that she won't be able to get an epidural when she has her babies :(


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[EmileeJane]

Thank you all very much for your kind thoughts and words. Still in shock about BFP! AF would have arrived yesterday so I took my temp and sitting high at 98.6! Sure hoping this is a happy, healthy, sticky baby!
I am feeling sad for some of you who have also been on this journey for sometime now. I hope you get your BFPs in March.
I'm feeling ify about my sway. We BD 2 nights in a row. Although I'm pretty sure I O'd the evening of 2nd BD. Like before we actually even BD'd. I had all the physical symptoms and chart showed it too the next day. Fx! Just happy to finally be here.
Best of luck and hope to chat with you in DD group!

[maidentomother]

Btw, everyone - PLEASE feel free to chime in in response to my Qs to Uschi on p67 if you have any relevant input. I really value hearing about your experiences/choices/thoughts as moms.

XX, wow. You ARE my twin. I almost don't believe you. How is that possible?! I also have two S curves/3 curves total. My top one to the left is 42 degrees, my huge upper thoracic middle curve e right WAS 70-something degrees at age 17, now it is 103 degrees :( ,my bottom left curve is 24 degrees. I have major rotation about the apex of my big curve; one vertebra is rotated completed, 180 degrees. So I have a big hump on the right side of my back and my left ribs stick out in front. Pain wise my entire upper back aches constantly, my right shoulder is hard as a rock tense, and I have what I call my 'bitch spot', basically a huge swollen trigger point below my ribs. This spot goes crazy if I sit or stand for more than 5 minutes, bc the muscles are constantly spasming.

How much lost height do they estimate for you? I also gave uneven hips & leg length. I am really hoping pregnancy helps my scoliosis bc of how good I felt when I was pregnant in 2012. Your story is very encouraging! I want to do home births, I'll use my own pain meds if need be!

sage, I'm sorry you have it too. I haven't heard of her but I will definitely check it out. Thank you! Great to hear you had a successful home birth. :) I am planning on cosleeping which hopefully will prevent an issue like you experienced but I'll remember to keep that in mind.

Uschi, that is great to hear about your sister (and hopefully I will have 2 DDs like her!). I had a great chiropractic DH/DW team I saw regularly in college but of the dozens I've tried, only they have been able to successfully adjust me. My extreme muscle tension makes me almost impossible to crack. It is so hard to find a good chiro.

I thought age might be the driving factor for you. I really wanted kids in my 20s but my DH was reluctant despite our prior agreement and then he died. So then I had to start looking for another man. I still haven't found him but I am not willing to wait on kids any longer considering my age. Like you I would really like at least 4, but I know I will have at least 2 then see how I do. I actually wanted even more kids but I don't want to be a really old mom so I think 4 will be my hard max.

Your AF not returning while EBFing DS2 is my big fear/potential obstacle in my planning. But it seems like you are pretty happy with how things worked out which is heartening to hear. If you could be pregnant with G/G twins now, would you choose that? You'd get your 4 kids without getting older...

If I keep striking out TTC naturally I may just go IVF and get a bunch of embies so I know I have babies on hand no matter what.

Completely agree re: BFing! I was BFed until almost 3, my brother was 4 when he weaned. It is a wonderful BFing environment over here.

smarston, while you can have a multiple genes/traits that can predispose you to scoliosis, it isn't a guaranteed genetic condition and can absolutely be prevented with the right environment & lifestyle. So if you're aware and keep an eye on your DD she should be fine. My scoliosis would be extremely mild if I'd been braced but my mother was negligent. It's completely her fault that mine progressed so far in the first place. Also, epidurals aren't that great and there are other pain options. I'm glad I can't have an epi!

[sageviolet]

Maiden, I was using an Arm's Reach Co-sleeper and it was because of always reaching to the same side and lifting her. Dh moves around a lot and has accidentally hit me on several occasions, so I didn't feel she would be safe in the bed with us and alternating sides. When she got older and was in her crib in the room that adjoins ours (still very close) I had a twin bed in there and would lay down to feed her during the night, but I could NOT fall asleep with her. It only happened once or twice, even though I was forced to share a bed with her once when we traveled. I think it's because of our lip tie/tongue tie issue and that bfing was so painful at first. Even after it wasn't painful, my body just said this isn't someone you can sleep with! lol I hope things are different next time.

[uschi]

I thought age might be the driving factor for you. I really wanted kids in my 20s but my DH was reluctant despite our prior agreement and then he died. So then I had to start looking for another man. I still haven't found him but I am not willing to wait on kids any longer considering my age. Like you I would really like at least 4, but I know I will have at least 2 then see how I do. I actually wanted even more kids but I don't want to be a really old mom so I think 4 will be my hard max.

Your AF not returning while EBFing DS2 is my big fear/potential obstacle in my planning. But it seems like you are pretty happy with how things worked out which is heartening to hear. If you could be pregnant with G/G twins now, would you choose that? You'd get your 4 kids without getting older...

If I keep striking out TTC naturally I may just go IVF and get a bunch of embies so I know I have babies on hand no matter what.

Completely agree re: BFing! I was BFed until almost 3, my brother was 4 when he weaned. It is a wonderful BFing environment over here.



Yes, kiddos in my 20's was my dream too, but alas.....and absolutely yes about twins! That's been my secret hope even though DH would die! ;) My mom and two of my aunts had twins so I was hoping that either genetically or the increased chance with age would be in my favor. But my Hcg isn't so high that it's suspected.
I'm quite happy with how things worked out. I really didn't want to cut DS2 short with BF so I was planning on evaluating the situation if AF hadn't appeared once he was a year. I'm glad it didn't come to that. But you're several years younger than me, so I wouldn't worry about it all. If you introduce solids at six months, chances are AF will return within a few months if it hasn't by then. And for your health and sanity, you probably wouldn't want to TTC before that anyway. You have time to have four by 40.
I just want to cry when I think about you being widowed. I think young widowhood is just one of the most tragic things in the world, especially when the dream of motherhood dies with him. I hope you find DH soon!

[eleena2014]

I knew it. Af arrived today. I'll see you all In March 2ww

[essnce629]

So sorry eleena! I really hope March is your month! Fingers crossed for you!