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fivebabies

January 29th, 2015, 04:42 PM

Thanks XX! FX for you too Hun! This is getting exhausting! Lol.

Junie ~ I'm not really sure. My youngest just turned 2 so it's not like it's been many years or anything. I have had very regulate cycles for a long time now. All my O symptoms are the same as they always have been. I am 34 so maybe age? But my mom and my sister bothe had babies much older than me so I don't think it should be a problem. DH is not into my trying clomid or anything that could give us multiples. Lol. That stresses him out and he already has a stressful job. I haven't gone in to ask (because I was supposed to wait until my last baby was at least 2 to ttc again since it was a repeat c-section and I didn't want to get in trouble! Lol) .

But I am using a ton of essential oils this month to try and balance any unbalanced hormones. No idea if it'll work but we shall see. No swaying just going to dtd daily so there is no chance to miss an egg.

Hoping we all get our bfp's this month! An October baby would be perfect for us!!!! I don't have an Oct baby yet. ��

Mars

January 29th, 2015, 11:08 PM

Hi Ladies, Sorry I have been MIA, my internet went down for 10 days :omg: So I am finally back online! So I bought some OPKs and started using them, I think I should O in the next few days so I've started using them and I only get a control line...so when will the other line appear? We will have an attempt tonight anyway and again in 3/4 days time. So look forward to this months BFP!!!

2boysJustOneGirl

January 29th, 2015, 11:50 PM

Good luck Mars! I think the test line will become positive (as dark as the control or very close) 24-48 hours before o.

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2boysJustOneGirl

January 29th, 2015, 11:55 PM

I am reallllllyy hoping I can push ovulation back so I will o near the new moon as opposed to the full moon. I feel like this really helped my last sway- less because of lunaception and more because of how it reversed my cycle from what it ALWAYS has been. If I got pregnant this cycle (I feel I am close to o) my due date will be DS2 birthday! That's how regular I am. My cycle is the exact same as it was with ds1. I need to mess it up! So with that should I take Vitex right through this cycle until I O or stop at cd 14?

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Junie

January 30th, 2015, 05:39 AM

2boys my experience with vitex has always been that when I take it through the whole cycle it doesn't change things much but if I stop at CD14 in normally pushes O back for me by about a week. So in your position I think I would stop at CD14.

Mars- 10 days. OMG! You're lucky with the OPKs though as I normally have 2 lines for quite awhile. I would keep testing every afternoon and as soon as you see a 2nd line which is as dark or darker than the control you'll know you are Oing very soon.

blueeyedguys

January 31st, 2015, 06:11 AM

I posted in Jan thread, but since I've just O'd, I guess it'll mostly be in Feb.

Am I the only one hoping for a BFN? We had a timing error. I wasn't ready to try yet.

I did want an October baby, so fingers crossed if it's BFP that my age & the tiny changes I've made are enough.

XXforhubby

January 31st, 2015, 10:12 AM

Blueeyedguys- I hope things work out the way you want them too! Hang in there!

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XXforhubby

January 31st, 2015, 10:26 AM

I am either 5dpo or 7dpo and just feeling exhausted. If I make it to next Sunday the 8th, then I'll test. We had better timed BDes this cycle but who knows if Goldie made an appearance or not [emoji6]!

Hopefully we'll see more BFPs this month- January was rather underwhelming!!!

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tarasue

January 31st, 2015, 10:52 AM

Ya January wasn't much for bfp's . Was there only two or three?

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XXforhubby

January 31st, 2015, 10:59 AM

Yeah. There are a lot of us cycling around the same time and there should be more in February. I sure hope so anyway!!

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XXforhubby

January 31st, 2015, 11:00 AM

When are you testing, Tarasue?

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tarasue

January 31st, 2015, 03:10 PM

I could test today..... I am only 7-8 dpo though, if by crazy chance it was positive I could leave the JanTWW forum on a (+) note:) The chances of that would be awful slim. I will test for sure on Monday! Today I am super tired, nauseated especially with strong smells, crampy/achy in my abdomen and I feel my mood is really unbalanced. That's about it. I am really wishing I would have been more diligent with the diet. I have a few good diet days and then a bad day. I will crack down if I don't get a bfp, shoot I should probably crack down either way..... I had a dream last night that I had a little girl, she had downs, it's really kinda upsetting me today. I am sure it's because last night we saw an older lady who had a teenage girl with down syndrome. Regardless, I woke up really upset.

maidentomother

January 31st, 2015, 07:28 PM

fivebabies, maybe you could try femara? It helps with O and sways strongly pink but has a very low incidence of multiples. Also, are you BFing? For some women that can cause short LPs and inhibit conception. I really hope you see your BFP soon! I have been trying on and off for just over 3 years now (including a loss conceived my 2nd cycle after removing my IUD), so I understand. :(

Mars, maybe we will O together. My OPKs are almost positive so I expect to O in the next few days.

2boys, I think there are several pisces on here...I remember there being quite a few last year. I'm March 19th.

blueeyedguys, you can give me your BFP!

tarasue, what an awful dream, I would be very upset by that. I'm sure it's just bc it was on your mind...and maybe due to pregnancy hormones? Fx for you hun.

October is my fave month so like fivebabies I'd love a baby then. Fx for us all. This month WAS very underwhelming, especially compared to all the BFPs we saw in December.

I MUST attempt tonight. Fx I don't get too tired again. DF has been notified!

Junie

February 1st, 2015, 06:34 AM

This cycle is so confusing! I knew to expect that after the D&C but I just can't tell if my few days of spotting were also with fertile CM and when I ovulated or if ovulation is still coming.I have had a few days of + or almost + OPKs so I could have already Od or it could still be coming. We were on vacation last week and I didn't bring my BBT so I also don't have temps to look at until 3 days ago. I'm very interested to see what happens in the next few days. Our timing is fine for a girl sway but if I ever have a clear +OPK or what I truly know to be eggwhite CM we will definitely BD. I want to catch this egg!!!

XXforhubby

February 1st, 2015, 10:00 AM

FX for you Junie! I sure hope you catch the egg!!!!

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 1st, 2015, 10:00 AM

Good luck to you Junie:) I know exactly how you are feeling and I am so glad that is all behind me.

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XXforhubby

February 1st, 2015, 11:15 AM

How is everyone feeling? For the first time I am not having any symptoms in the 2ww. I am taking it that my body is finally starting to work properly.

So who's up next to test? We have Tarasue on Monday maybe and me next Sunday if AF stays away. Who else and when?

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 1st, 2015, 11:30 AM

DTD last night-DH pulled out but ya never know;) I got a positive opk this morning cd 16 and am now wondering if we should attempt this cycle?? I don't know what to do. This is my second cycle after my loss, I have had one AF since. I am scared to attempt now because I have only been back to LE for about 6 weeks and I wasn't able to delay ovulation at all-my plan was to delay it this cycle and TTC next cycle with clomid.

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Junie

February 1st, 2015, 12:19 PM

2boys- I wouldn't be able to wait but that is just me. You could always do just 1 attempt and hope for the best.

XX- I'm so glad you feel like your body is working how it should. I hope next weekend you get a BFP after having caught Goldie :)

2boysJustOneGirl

February 1st, 2015, 12:58 PM

I really don't want to wait! But I am also so nervous for many reasons.

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tarasue

February 1st, 2015, 01:01 PM

I would go for it 2boys, but if your not ready hold off.

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XXforhubby

February 1st, 2015, 01:46 PM

Go for it 2boys! 6 weeks is great plus I would think after all your body has been through you are swaying heavily pink! Have a proper attempt tonight and enjoy yourself!

I am so excited for you [emoji179][emoji179]!!

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XXforhubby

February 1st, 2015, 01:57 PM

Enjoying my cheat day! I always reward myself with one snack and one dessert on Sunday's. My snack I usually butt it up to a meal and dessert immediately after the same meal. This way I still have 5-6 hours between my meals to keep my blood sugar low despite my cheats.

Yay!!!

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Sunbuny

February 1st, 2015, 04:19 PM

Hi girls

I was 10 dpo yesterday and tested but got a BFN. I tested because I had noticed a change in my eyes. I'm a contact wearer and I picked up on my last pregnancy when my eyes had changed. Now I'm thinking my eyes may just be sore due to a cold or sinusitis. Do you still try to carry on with intense exercise when you're sick? I've had the past 2 days off and feel terrible about it..

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Mars

February 1st, 2015, 04:31 PM

10dpo is still early. I would wait a few days and test again.
I still haven't Od and had an attempt this morning. So much for putting everything into this month. We haven't had a chance! AF is due around the 17th February so I've got a while to wait.

Sunbuny

February 1st, 2015, 04:33 PM

How far are you in your cycle Mars? It gets so frustrating waiting for the right time doesn't it?

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sageviolet

February 1st, 2015, 04:38 PM

Happy February!

Mars, do I see by your siggy that you've been ttc for over 2 years?! How do you stay motivated?

XXforhubby

February 1st, 2015, 04:56 PM

Junie

February 1st, 2015, 05:23 PM

XX- If you Od on the 24th your chart looks like one of my BFP charts :) I have a little temp drop right in the beginning, I'm on my mobile but I can link to it for you tomorrow.

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XXforhubby

February 1st, 2015, 05:31 PM

I am just curious as what to call O day and of course when I should expect AF! My LP is always 12-16 days with 13-14 what is get mostly.

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Mars

February 1st, 2015, 08:05 PM

I'm on CD 18. The Opk I did this morning was starting to look positive. I'll keep testing from now on.
Sage we have been TTC since Nov 2013 but have taken a break for a few months and just been doing a very relaxed sway. It's only been the last few months I've started to get a bit down about it all as we conceived our first 2 kids the first cycle!
Sorry XX I don't get all those graphs do I can't help but fingers crossed!!

Mars

February 2nd, 2015, 12:19 AM

So here are two Opks taken today. Top is 11am this morning. Bottom is 2pm. What's going on here?? Have a missed it??
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XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 12:25 AM

I think you are gearing up to O. You could always attempt now and have another attempt in 3-4 days when you may actually get a true positive or O.

This is what I would do though, since I have been ttcing a while.

GL!

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Mars

February 2nd, 2015, 01:05 AM

Thanks XX, I haven't used them before but is it normal to get a kind of dark line in the AM then for it to be light in the PM? Could that just be I had more concentrated urine in the morning? I'll test again at the same time tomorrow but we had an attempt today so I feel ok about that ;)

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 04:58 AM

Sounds great! The RE explained it to me that LH levels peak between 12-3pm and that was the best time to test. Testing in the morning and evening can often result in lower levels.

That being said, I test in the mornings and always get great results. Though I haven't gotten pregnant yet so not sure what that means!

FX that you caught the egg!!!

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essnce629

February 2nd, 2015, 05:04 AM

XX-- your chart is tricky this month! My guess is you O'd on the 27th. Did you say that your post O temps are always over 98? If so, then that would line up with O on the 27th. I thought that a fallback rise was always on 2dpo as it occurs immediately after O.

So my guess is you O'd on the 27th.

Junie

February 2nd, 2015, 05:52 AM

XX- Here is a pic of my chart for DS2. I hope it helps you a little. I hope this is your BFP cycle!
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blueeyedguys

February 2nd, 2015, 08:06 AM

Maiden, it might be my only chance for a BFP. If I get one. Just really hope it, finally!, a girl if I do. The thought of 5 boys is terrifying.

I'm getting more cramping than I ever remember having. And I have a couple "pregnancy" things, but I'm sure I get them not pregnant & just don't pay attention. Besides, it's way too early. The below was only taken 3 days ago.

The ones 12 hours before & after were definitely negative. It was 3 days after we DTD, which is well in the window. And I've gotten pregnant the first time every other time. But I'm 4 years older than when I got pregnant with my youngest & peri-menopause has definitely started.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/02/5bbaa57b785d446fe7179116ef327516.jpg

2boysJustOneGirl

February 2nd, 2015, 08:17 AM

We also made our attempt last night:) I drank a bottle of wine to go with it and I have a headache this morning to prove it. Lol. May the winner of the swimmers be my baby girl;)

Yesterday I had a pretty positive opk and a lot of EWCM. This morning I am having sharp pains to my left groin, typical o pain, and I am confident with our attempt last night. Good luck to everybody else! Especially to those who had been in this game a while- it's been a tough long road and we all need a break.

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 2nd, 2015, 08:25 AM

So here are two Opks taken today. Top is 11am this morning. Bottom is 2pm. What's going on here?? Have a missed it??
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Mars my opks looked just like that yesterday., dark in the morning and lighter in the evening. I think it depends on how concentrated your urine is and the time of day does dictate how much hormone there will be in your urine.

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Junie

February 2nd, 2015, 08:33 AM

sageviolet

February 2nd, 2015, 08:58 AM

xx - I've always heard that cm is the best indicator, so look at when you had fertile cm and when it went dry, and that will help you pinpoint o. I know it's not always easy to tell with lots of bding. Junie's chart is inspiring!

Mars - Don't use fmu for opks (unless they're cb digital which say to use fmu). And restrict your liquid and do a hold for 2 hours before. Even so, mine will fluctuate like yours as peak approaches. I start out testing around lunch, but as peak gets closer I will test at lunch and in the evening.

2boys - Sounds like everything went well! FX for you!

Junie - I get sore after ovulating.

My fertility appt is tomorrow! Hooray!

tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 11:11 AM

Well... I got cold feet and haven't tested yet:( I might wait until tomorrow. I'm 9/10 dpo right now and just don't want to feel that devastation of a bfn yet. I'm still having pretty spot on symptoms though. Back ache, achy bbs, headache, moody moody, cm is creamy -stretchy-stringy, cp is high soft and closed, sensitive to smells, slight nausea if I wait too long to eat and so on.... In my head I am pregnant, just not sure I'm ready to burst that bubble with a negative test:/

My husband says I shouldn't worry, we are pretty fertle. This was only our fourth cycle ever ttc. We have two beautiful boys to show from those four attempts and one angel baby, so when he shoots he has had a 100% record of scoring, why would this cycle be different. And add the clomid on top of it all, I hope he is right:)

2boys- so glad you went for it! Sounds like perfect timing, good luck!!!

Blueryedguys- I have age working against me now too, getting old sucks:/

Mars- opk's can be so confusing and frusterating. Mine finally went positive in the evening. The next morning it was still positive, but by two that afternoon it was clearly negative. Had I not been testing 3x a day I would have missed it, good thing I'm a boy mom and obsess over things! It also depends on the brand of opk. I had a dollar tree test positive two days before my ic went positive. The ic didn't turn positive until about 10-12 hrs before I ovulated, so a little window, but more accurate.

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tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 11:18 AM

Hey ladies, I need your help! What do you think is O day? If it is the 24th, then is the temp dip on the 27th a fall back rise? It would be too early for the secondary estrogen surge, wouldn't it? Can you get a BFP without a secondary estrogen surge? My understanding is that a cycle without a secondary estrogen surge is less likely to result in a BFP.

Thanks!

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Xx- I'm sorry I am no help here. I have never temped and charted, so that is all Greek to me. Are you supposed to have a temp dip at implantation time? Do you physically feel warmer? Right after ovulation I was feeling like I was running hot, I never took my temp though. A couple days ago I was chilled to the bone and couldn't warm up.( that could be because it's freezing here). But I didn't know if you could actually feel or notice the temp changes?

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 2nd, 2015, 11:33 AM

Has anyone had really sore boobs before ovulating or about 3 weeks after a miscarriage? I have had such a sore chest the past few days and I normally don't have this as a symptom at all and am just wondering what is going on.

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Junie I had sore boobs about 3 weeks after. Then I started lactating while in the shower. I had just weaned ds2 in November when I got my BFP and so I think that contributed to it. A few days later I got AF.

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XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 11:33 AM

Xx- I'm sorry I am no help here. I have never temped and charted, so that is all Greek to me. Are you supposed to have a temp dip at implantation time? Do you physically feel warmer? Right after ovulation I was feeling like I was running hot, I never took my temp though. A couple days ago I was chilled to the bone and couldn't warm up.( that could be because it's freezing here). But I didn't know if you could actually feel or notice the temp changes

I do feel warmer and my temps have been nice and high- higher than usual in my LP. Today it was 98.94!! I just want to know how many DPO I am and am stuck as what to call O day. I can reason it either the 24th or the 27th. I have had fallback rises occur at 3DPO before so that is why I am stuck.

Thanks ladies! So far I have one vote for the 24th and one vote for the 27th.

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XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 12:38 PM

Maiden- how are things? Did you O yet?

I would love to see if you agree with Essnce and think I Oed on the 27th or the 24th. I am waiting to see what Atomic thinks as well.

Any other ladies want to give me your opinion? I'll find out soon enough though in retrospect, because I usually get AF 13-14 days after O. I could play it safe and wait to test on the 10th because AF should arrive by the 8th or 9th.

I don't feel pregnant though. With both DSs I had symptoms in the 2ww. That being said, I usually have some PMS symptoms and I don't.

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essnce629

February 2nd, 2015, 01:29 PM

Xx-- You should create an account on Fertility Friend, plug your temps in over there, and see what it says your O day is. Did you do any opks or notice any cm? My cm usually turns dry right before I O.

Junie

February 2nd, 2015, 01:41 PM

2boys- Thanks it could definitely mean AF is coming!

mommymachine

February 2nd, 2015, 02:00 PM

I think you O'd on the 24th.

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QueenB3blue

February 2nd, 2015, 02:17 PM

I am going to say the 27th, mainly because I remember you getting a +opk on the 25th. But in your past cycle's do you usually have a couple days of +opk's??

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QueenB3blue

February 2nd, 2015, 02:20 PM

Essnce- what was the supplement you recommended to take for YI while pg?? (Sorry ladies, completely off subject)

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maidentomother

February 2nd, 2015, 02:59 PM

Mars, I'm CD18 today too. I think you are still gearing up to O based on your OPKs. And I only get dark OPKs within a few hours of noon, the rest of the time they are much lighter.

I'm pretty sure I Oed this morning. I had 2 days of almost positive OPKs on CDs 15 &16 then they started to fade again. Neither my CBFM or CBAD ever even went to High (though the tester sticks look like they did). I think my hormone levels are lower off the Vitex. But I had really severe O pain today, with SHOW cervix and EWCM yesterday and today. I attempted about an hour after my O pain started to dissipate. I think I O when the pain starts, which was about 6 hours before my attempt, so I probably attempted too late to catch the egg. I am not testing until 16DPO (which will be 2-4days after AF is due, I have a very variable LP but it's never been longer than 14 days). What a crappy month! :( I am angry with both my monitors. At least next cycle I will BD every 3 days so then I can't possibly miss O.

XX, I still really think you Oed on the 27th and not before. I don't believe secondary estrogen surges do much to predict pregnancy.

2boys, looks like we are O buddies! But your timing was much better than mine.

Queen, if your YI isn't too severe I would try inserting 3 halved large garlic cloves.

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 03:04 PM

Thanks ladies! FF says I Oed on the 27th. How do I link my chart to my signature for you ladies to view? I'm not sure how I do that on here.

So I'm 6DPO. Makes sense. Normally I O much closer to the positive opk, but 48 hours is still within the realm of possibility. I got a positive on the 25th and negatives from the 26th-28th. So I will wait to test then on the 9th or 10th.

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XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 03:26 PM

Maiden- that stinks [emoji20]. I still hope you caught the egg. If I did O on the 27th I feel better about my attempts. I had two back to back, unexpectedly [emoji4]three days before the 27th, and I feel better about BDing three days later on O day!

Next month I'll be more diligent! DH is starting to feel like letting loose. And I remind him the definition of insanity- expecting different results from the same actions! Let's not do the same BDing pattern as the boys and expect something different [emoji38]!

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tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 04:27 PM

Maiden- did you only have that one attempt? I hope you caught your pretty pink egg:)

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tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 04:30 PM

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Well I tested this afternoon..... I should have waited for tomorrow's fmu.
This is 9/10 dpo. I feel like I see the slightest of lines, but that may just be my eyes seeing what they want.

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XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 05:00 PM

I'm not sure if I see anything Tarasue, but I would test agin tomorrow with FMU

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maidentomother

February 2nd, 2015, 05:01 PM

tarasue, feel like my eye is catching something but it doesn't seem to have colour so could be an indent. I would wait 2 days then test again. And yes, I only had the one attempt this month. :/ Thank you for well wishes!

XX, thanks for the sympathy, it helps! I'm okay with it though....I don't really want a Scorpio. A late Nov Sagittarius would be preferable. But if I went early I'd still have a chance at a Libra this month...sigh. Your BD is definitely more pink friendly if you Oed on the 27th.

Maybe I should try to get clomid/femara since I HAVE been TTCing a while and I do have an LP that dips below 10 days regularly. I wonder if I should go to my OBGYN or straight to an RE? I'd want to do the medicated cycle the cycle after next, when I plan to BD every day all cycle, and if I can O earlier then I'd reduce my chance of an Xmas baby. Early-mid December is fine, just not the 21st or later!

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 05:31 PM

Well Atomic thinks I Oed on the 23rd or the 24th. She thinks my coverline may be falsely high on FF because my early temps during AF were higher than usual. If that is the case, then I should expect AF on the 6th or 7th. If I Oed on the 27th then AF should come on the 9th or 10th.

Ugh! I really should quit worrying about this already! I just like to roughly know when to expect AF on the off chance I can test to get a BFP.

I wouldn't even care about this, but I almost got sick today from nausea, and I can't get this taste from my mouth! It is probably nothing more than high progesterone, but I can't exercise feeling like this! I'll have to buckle down on the diet and go couch potato for a few days. Hopefully none of this will sway blue! I'm a mess[emoji2]!

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tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 05:50 PM

Maiden!! Bd every day! Yikes, I'm sore just thinking about that[emoji44]

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tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 05:55 PM

Xx- I O'd the 23rd or 24th as well. I expect Af the 6th:(. I hate that I'm obsessing over this as well.

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XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 05:57 PM

Tarasue- if I don't get a BFP this cycle or next, in March we are going to BD everyday from the end of AF until three days after confirmed O. That would be 9-12 days in a row! I feel like pulling out all of the stops because BD every 4, every 3, and every 2 hasn't done the job. This cycle was a combination of every 3 with two days back to back. Hopefully that won't come back to bite me!

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maidentomother

February 2nd, 2015, 06:07 PM

LOL tarasue! I used to BD every day before I went on pain meds 24/7 (they really crush my libido and I can't orgasm on them). But that is my normal preference. It will definitely be more effort now, though, considering my lack of libido and pain issues...I need to start exercising bc that boosts my libido! I'm actually more sore now having sex just once a month. It's like I become a semi virgin after a couple weeks!

XX, you are covered either way. I would be able to better gauge O with previous charts to compare side by side. It would also help if you charted your CM and CP. If you DO start testing early it could potentially help confirm when you Oed. I.e. if you get a BFP 8 days after the 24th, you probably Oed then. But I still think the 27th and I've been charting for 13 years.

I am sorry you are feeling so yucky but hopefully it's bc you're pregnant! Your recent temps are very promising indeed.

I am giving my ovary a prep talk and trying to convince it to release another egg, since I am just now having twinges again. Yeah I know it doesn't work that way but I figure it can't hurt! DF is amused.

maidentomother

February 2nd, 2015, 06:12 PM

Yep both XX and I are fed up after over 6 months without any hint of BFP. I've been on the diet for over 14 months with only a 3 month break during which I still ate pretty pink friendly) over the summer. And March is the last month I'm willing to TTC. After that I need a break. I NEED red meat, butter, fish oil and vitamin D.

Junie

February 2nd, 2015, 06:14 PM

Tarasue- I see 2 lines. Test tomorrow with FMU and I am pretty sure there will be 2 clear lines :)

XX- I wouldn't worry about anything your doing swaying blue. I'm hoping to see a BFP from you at the end of the week!

maiden- I hope your attempt was perfect timing!

Sage- I'm excited to hear how your appt goes tomorrow!

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 06:18 PM

I think I am out. I am having HORRIBLE cramps. Ugh. I never cramp this far out from AF! Maybe I did O on the 23rd and AF is a few days away.

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 2nd, 2015, 06:24 PM

Xx it could be implantation? I am hoping that;)

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 2nd, 2015, 06:25 PM

Tarasue I may see something of a line- not sure. Fingers are crossed for you!

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maidentomother

February 2nd, 2015, 06:28 PM

I'm with 2boys. I take it these are AF cramps you're feeling?, XX?

Junie, what's going on with you? Have you Oed or do you think you will soon?

2boysJustOneGirl

February 2nd, 2015, 06:29 PM

I CANNOT WAIT to have a cheat! I am thinking a nice burger with bacon would be divine!

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maidentomother

February 2nd, 2015, 06:34 PM

I didn't have my one serving of red meat to prevent anemia this past month so I'm looking forward to a big gourmet burger and fries myself! Or maybe a steak...or some roast lamb...or some venison cutlets, mmmm.

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 06:56 PM

Well ladies, I am not sure what to make of this. Warning- TMI! I just had a bout of loose stool, out of nowhere, and afterward I noticed a tiny pinhead dot of blood on the TP. I washed my hands and checked my CM, I ruled out the location, and it was pinkish. Not sure if the BM irritated my cervix, or if there is something else hormonally going on.

This is crazy! Well I am not sick so that is ruled out at least. And it is not food poisoning.

I am definitely taking tonight off of working out! I'll do a double tomorrow, when my mom comes over to help me with the boys.

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essnce629

February 2nd, 2015, 07:23 PM

Essnce- what was the supplement you recommended to take for YI while pg?? (Sorry ladies, completely off subject)

Clove of garlic in your vagina! That's what I do! :)

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 07:27 PM

Clove of garlic in your vagina! That's what I do! :)

Out of curiosity, the whole small clove? Or do you mince it and make a paste with it?

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essnce629

February 2nd, 2015, 07:37 PM

Out of curiosity, the whole small clove? Or do you mince it and make a paste with it?

The whole clove. I usually slice a thin piece off around the edges because you want the inside of the garlic to be in contact. I usually do one clove a day, but sometimes I leave it in longer than a day. Sometimes it comes out on its own when you have a bowel movement. You'll taste garlic in your mouth after inserting it! It even works with super stubborn YIs that Monistat, etc doesn't work for. I get YIs only when pregnant and I only use garlic now.

essnce629

February 2nd, 2015, 07:40 PM

Tara-- I "think" I see something! I'd get yourself a FRER and test again tomorrow. I don't even test with ICs anymore. The FRER always shows a clear answer!

XXforhubby

February 2nd, 2015, 08:00 PM

Well ladies, I am not sure what to make of this. Warning- TMI! I just had a bout of diarrhea, out of nowhere, and afterward I noticed a tiny pinhead dot of blood on the TP. I washed my hands and checked my CM, I ruled out the location, and it was pinkish. Not sure if the BM irritated my cervix, or if there is something else hormonally going on.

This is crazy! Well I am not sick so that is ruled out at least. And it is not food poisoning.

I am definitely taking tonight off of working out! I'll do a double tomorrow, when my mom comes over to help me with the boys.

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Update- well the red tinged CM was from cervical irritation from the BM and has since stopped. Still having AF type cramps though.

I am somewhat relieved. Still don't know what to make of this. I guess we will find out in a few days!

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mommymachine

February 2nd, 2015, 08:37 PM

The whole clove. I usually slice a thin piece off around the edges because you want the inside of the garlic to be in contact. I usually do one clove a day, but sometimes I leave it in longer than a day. Sometimes it comes out on its own when you have a bowel movement. You'll taste garlic in your mouth after inserting it! It even works with super stubborn YIs that Monistat, etc doesn't work for. I get YIs only when pregnant and I only use garlic now.

That was very useful information! I get YI when pregnant too. That is sooo good to know! Thank you!

tarasue

February 2nd, 2015, 10:50 PM

I think I am out. I am having HORRIBLE cramps. Ugh. I never cramp this far out from AF! Maybe I did O on the 23rd and AF is a few days away.

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I'm having them too... Please Af, stay away!!!

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Mars

February 3rd, 2015, 05:13 AM

Hey ladies. I'll do a proper catch up tomorrow but very quickly I did this opk at 7pm tonight.
Thoughts? Should I have another attempt tonight? We BD yesterday morning.
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2boysJustOneGirl

February 3rd, 2015, 08:19 AM

I wouldn't attempt again.

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Junie

February 3rd, 2015, 08:31 AM

Mars- That isn't quite positive yet. Did you already have a darker test?
Tarasue- are you testing this morning?
XX- Look at your chart- gorgeous! I'm really thinking BFP for you this month!
maiden- mmm my mouth is watering!
2boys- I'm going out to dinner tonight and won't be thinking about LE at all- I won't eat much all day to make up for it.

Ladies I was thisclose to buying another BBT before we went on holidays for a week right after the D&C as I had lost mine but decided not to. But now I have NO clue if I Od as I only have temps starting from CD15. However my temps are still quite low and not really rising so the chances are good that I haven't Od. An OPK today was very negative. I did have a positive a few days ago BUT I just can't really trust OPKS. Normally CM has been my go to symptom for guessing ovulation but I have had none this cycle! Now if I was very very very lucky I O'd when we were on vacation and I had a day or two of mucusy spotting. But I will have to wait a few more days to see if my temps go up (I've also been bad about temping and just temping whenever I wake up and using the temp corrector) and if I was unlucky I am still a few days or a week away from Oing which will be awful because DH leaves for a week of skiing Fri night and won't come back till Sunday night the next week. I so hope to O before Sat if I haven't Od yet (which I don't think I have)!!

QueenB3blue

February 3rd, 2015, 08:37 AM

Mars- if pink is your priority then I wouldn't attempt again:)

Tarasue- i feel like a second line is catching my eye. You most definitely will be seeing more clearly in person. I am anxious for you to test again!!

XX- I think maybe you should test early;) just like maiden said, that way if a bfp showed up you could decide when o day was!

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XXforhubby

February 3rd, 2015, 09:58 AM

Thank you ladies for all of your support. I guess I am of the mindset that a BFP is not in the cards for me. I say this, not because I am sad or depressed, but because my hormones were so out of wack. I feel that it will take a few more weeks of acupuncture to turn the ship around so to speak. I am totally ok with this. I feel blessed to have gotten my two boys- that is what I wanted/wished for! I just never expected to love this whole mother thing as much as I do now. I was never the motherly type growing up, except with animals. My only doll was our ferrel cat (I did not like dolls) who loved being dressed up and carted around in my stroller, seriously he loved it! Sorry, I digress [emoji5]️!

I really have made peace with everything and am no longer yo-yoing emotionally. I was just wanting to know O day to begin counting my LP. Now that I have a range, yes I will test and post the results. Only for you ladies though!

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 3rd, 2015, 10:09 AM

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These are mine, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. On Saturday I had a clear negative.
I feel like we are getting caught up in the subjectivity of the colour of the line sometimes. Given my symptoms I clearly ovulated at some point in the past 3 days in spite of the imperfect line colour. I conceived with one attempt in October with tests that looked identical to this- then and now I haven't worried much about the quality of the line, it's less stressful and less OCDish.

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XXforhubby

February 3rd, 2015, 10:21 AM

I totally agree 2boys! I think you had BD at the right time! I always remember what Atomic says, "BD from the FIRST positive. It doesn't matter how long it takes to fade. You O 8-48 hours from the first positive. The fading is just the time it takes for the LH hormone to clear your body and is in no relation to how soon/late you'll O".

FX for you 2boys!!! I am secretly hoping you will get a pink, sticky BFP! Oops, did I say that out loud [emoji6]!

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Junie

February 3rd, 2015, 10:45 AM

2 boys- I think it can also be quite specific to each of us. For me if my test isn't as dark as the control then I'm not Oing. However I have multiple LH surges and my normal levels are high. Personally this is why I think BDing every 4 days or every 3 if things are taking awhile is the easiest strategy as OPKs can be so difficult to use for some of us. I mean my tests even differ quite a bit depending on whether it is morning or afternoon.

Junie

February 3rd, 2015, 10:46 AM

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/03/df79fe571a341464246d153699f44873.jpg

This is a pic of OPKS taken morning and afternoon from CD17 to 20, the pic isn't great but it just shows what a pain they can be. Temping makes things so much easier I think. Sorry the pic is huge I tried to change size but it didn't work.

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maidentomother

February 3rd, 2015, 11:51 AM

Mars, I would NOT attempt 2 days in a row. Wait until it's been 4 days since your first attempt.

Ladies, I gave the exact same garlic recommendation for YIs several pages back. Apparently no one read it. :(

2boys, your Sunday & Monday Wondfo OPKs look just like my positives. I say my positives bc I don't get true positives, but I get 1-3 days of almost positives and then my lines start fading again. So I think your BD timing was great. Not everyone gets positive OPKs.

XX, I think your little bit of blood could very well be implantation. I think IB is rare, but when it occurs that's what it looks like. Your chart continues to amaze! You have every reason to be hopeful IMO.

Junie, I have an extremely erratic schedule and temp anywhere from 9 am to 5pm! But my temps are quite reliable bc I always temp after my biggest block of uninterrupted sleep. I think you can trust your temps. Btw, I use those same blue handled OPKs (the top 3) and my positives look like your top one from CD17. But unfortunately I have noticed those OPKs are finnicky - if I dip 2 tests from the same batch in the same urine, I often see a substantial difference in how dark the lines are. I just can't find good OPKs here in Germany.

QueenB3blue

February 3rd, 2015, 11:59 AM

Mars, I would NOT attempt 2 days in a row. Wait until it's been 4 days since your first attempt.

I gave the exact same garlic recommendation for YIs several pages back. :(

Thanks maiden and essnce for the garlic recommendation! I have since shoved one up there and actually felt relief fairly quickly;) p.s. I felt the garlic smell in my nose first, then in my mouth(if that even makes since!)

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 3rd, 2015, 12:42 PM

Yes for sure junie! I can only rely on them bc I have very obvious ovulation, with so many reliable signs other than an opk.

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maidentomother

February 3rd, 2015, 01:50 PM

I personally change the garlic every night. I use 3 big cloves each cut in half so the juices have plenty of contact.

If you rub garlic on your foot you can taste it in your mouth. It's crazy!

I have SO much EWCM today that I'm wondering if I really did O. I haven't had so much EWCM since before I started swaying. but I do feel warmer and my temp rose...

XXforhubby

February 3rd, 2015, 01:57 PM

sageviolet

February 3rd, 2015, 04:34 PM

tarasue

February 3rd, 2015, 04:46 PM

So sorry your appt was a bust sageviolet! I would be a little upset they wouldn't do bloodwork, what does that hurt them??? Keep you chin up!

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XXforhubby

February 3rd, 2015, 05:52 PM

Cm, yes, that's the hot topic today. Apparently you need to use the Creighton Model and measure the properties of it in a scientific and standardized way. I'm back from my appt and that's what I learned. She was nice, but basically she told us we need to take classes on charting the Creighton way and do that for a few cycles. She says opks aren't as good as charting and I don't need to use them. She suggested Fertile CM, without really asking what I'm taking or what I've tried already. I was not impressed. She probably wasn't impressed with me either since I refused a pelvic exam. Seriously, on a first meeting? Um, no. And no way I want to ruin my chances with o this week. I asked her what she would learn from it, and it didn't seem worth it. And in answer to my other questions, propping hips does nothing and Preseed can help you with bding if you need help to get going, but it doesn't carry the sperm.

So no blood tests until we've charted cm the "proper way" and then she might look at my hormone levels. What happened to a thyroid check? I thought that was standard. I got nothing, just some business cards for other people to see.

OMG! Seriously! WTF! Yeah, I think you made the right call. Is there anyone else you can see, or is this the only place your insurance will cover? I would try someone else before continuing with that office! I would be pi$$ed!

Hang in there sweetie! I'm [emoji120]that you get a BFP with all my blue dust!

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maidentomother

February 3rd, 2015, 06:16 PM

I can't always use CM as a guide like some you ladies. Mine seems to vary when I get any and the consistency. The only thing I can rely on is temping.

Before swaying my CM was much more reliable.

Same here. I've been charting most of my adult life and my CM is not helpful in predicting O. In my twenties I had so much all the time, and since swaying things have been very erratic. The only thing I can usually rely on is my CM drying up and turning creamy, but that can happen on O day, the day after O, or 2 days after O so even that isn't exact. Only temping is truly reliable for me.

sage, I am SO sorry your appointment was so pointless! Unfortunately I have found that good drs are rare. Many of them are idiots, have bad attitudes or both. I think drs should listen, be sympathetic and open-minded, and open to suggestions. If the patient pays, why should they care if we want bloodwork done? Often I think it's an ego/power trip thing; they deny bc they can. I definitely wouldn't be returning to her. Maybe an RE would be the way to go, especially if you can see one recommended by someone you know and trust?

Are you using PreSeed every time you BD?

Sunbuny

February 3rd, 2015, 08:58 PM

Cm, yes, that's the hot topic today. Apparently you need to use the Creighton Model and measure the properties of it in a scientific and standardized way. I'm back from my appt and that's what I learned. She was nice, but basically she told us we need to take classes on charting the Creighton way and do that for a few cycles. She says opks aren't as good as charting and I don't need to use them. She suggested Fertile CM, without really asking what I'm taking or what I've tried already. I was not impressed. She probably wasn't impressed with me either since I refused a pelvic exam. Seriously, on a first meeting? Um, no. And no way I want to ruin my chances with o this week. I asked her what she would learn from it, and it didn't seem worth it. And in answer to my other questions, propping hips does nothing and Preseed can help you with bding if you need help to get going, but it doesn't carry the sperm.

So no blood tests until we've charted cm the "proper way" and then she might look at my hormone levels. What happened to a thyroid check? I thought that was standard. I got nothing, just some business cards for other people to see.

I saw a Dr who once taught Creighton and she didn't believe in taking temps at all ( before I started temping ). I found Creighton so confusing and finding temping so much easier to work out when I ovulate. Even she found it difficult to work out when I ovulated based on my cm charting. She sent me for blood work and internal ultrasounds and now that I'm temping I realize her timing was completely off. Unfortunately based on my experience I'm not a big believer in that system...

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blueeyedguys

February 4th, 2015, 06:23 AM

Coconut oil is also great for yeast infections. Make sure you get organic. For skin yeast infections, I use tea tree oil with it. Vaginally you can use a tiny amount of tea tree or lavender or both. Mix really well with the coconut oil & refrigerate until solid. If you have bullet shape ice **** trays, you can put plastic on the tray & make oil bullets to insert easier.

Be very sparing with the essential oils (like 1 or 2 drops to 1 tbsp coconut) until you know how many drops are comfortable for you.

If you're pregnant, look into the safety of the essential oils during pregnancy & only use if you feel comfortable. The woman I got the recipe from used them during pregnancy, but only you know your own comfort level.

Btw, I guess no one had an opinion on if the OPK I posted a couple days ago was positive? It was this one http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/04/54f79c3f2f67dacea87e6d57524e2571.jpg

Sunbuny

February 4th, 2015, 06:26 AM

Btw, I guess no one had an opinion on if the OPK I posted a couple days ago was positive? It was this one http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/04/54f79c3f2f67dacea87e6d57524e2571.jpg[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I never saw it earlier but it looks positive to me. What do you think?

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Boom

February 4th, 2015, 06:37 AM

Looks positive

Sunbuny

February 4th, 2015, 06:44 AM

I'm out today [emoji22] my temp dropped this morning and I've since started spotting...

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Junie

February 4th, 2015, 07:21 AM

Sage- I am SO SO sorry. I just read up a teensy bit on "the Crieghton Model" how absolutely silly. Have you ever read Taking Charge of your Fertility? Normal charting is more than enough for Drs to get a good sense if you are ovulating,etc. Do you have any other options for a different Dr. with your insurance? Do you think the cards she gave you are also for people who believe in the Creighton Model? As then I wouldn't want to use them. What a disappointment.

Tarasue- Did you test??

Sunbuny- I can't believe your Dr. didn't believe in temping. That seems so off to me. I'm sorry that your temp dropped :(

Blueeyedguys- Sorry I somehow missed it when you posted before- I would def call that positive.

XX- Can't wait to see your temp today!

Maiden- I can't believe you have so much EWCM do you think you O'd yet?

I'm so worried I won't O before DH leaves. Honestly if he was skiing near an airport I would fly out for a quickie and fly back home but he is like 2 1/2hrs away from one and he would have to give up a whole day of skiing which would be silly. OPK definitely negative today though and doesn't look anymore positive then yesterday so I don't think I am gearing up to O anytime soon.

QueenB3blue

February 4th, 2015, 09:28 AM

Junie- is there any chance you o'd already? Your opk for cd18 afternoon looked pretty positive to me. Or do your temps say that was a no go?

Blueeyedguys- that's a positive to me;)

Sage- going to the dr and feeling like it was a waste of time is the worst! Especially when you have such high hopes for getting answers. I would be searching for a new dr!

Tarasue- I keep looking for an updated pic of a bfp from you. When will you test again??

Hope everyone else is doing well!

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Junie

February 4th, 2015, 09:33 AM

QueenB- Theoretically possible but my temps will have to go up quite a bit for me to think so right now it is too early to tell.

Tarasue- I really want you to test and get a nice big BFP!

sageviolet

February 4th, 2015, 09:44 AM

Sunbuny, thanks for sharing! I'm checking out when the Creighton classes are and how much it costs, but it would probably be hard for us logistically with care for dd. I ordered a book about it from the library, and I'm hoping I can figure out some stuff from that. Sorry about your spotting. *hugs*

The dr I saw yesterday was an ob/gyn who is also trained in NaPro. Honestly, it was my first time ever seeing an ob/gyn since as you may remember I don't get regular check-ups and I used a midwife for my homebirth. I've been thinking about it, and it stikes me that she never asked much about my periods, like about how long or amount of bleeding or quality. My acupuncturist I saw last summer asked all those questions! Isn't that normal stuff to ask?

Yeah, I could see someone else, we have lots of ppl around who are in our insurance network, but like Maiden says, it's so hard to find someone good. My biggest complaint with our insurance is that the dr directory doesn't tell you which ones are bad, lol! I had such a time finding someone decent for dd. Anyway, so you think I should look for an RE? What are some things to look for? Not that I have much to go on, just a list of names and addresses, and maybe I can track down a website if they have one. If anyone on here can recommend someone in or near Baltimore, MD, please tell me!

Regarding Preseed, we've tried with and without, no bfp, not much difference in quality of bding. I mean it feels good, but we can still work up to a really good time without it.

blueeyed - Yes, that was positive!

Junie - Yes, I read TCOYF last summer as well as the Billings book (and Shettles book although I don't agree with it upon further research). I thought TCOYF was great! And yes, the cards were specifically for ppl who teach you how to do Creighton. As I said above, I'm going to opt for trying a library book and perhaps keep looking for someone who will test me. The dr involved in my Lyme miscarriage tested me right away for thyroid and was about to do the progesterone spit test. Anyway, hope you got your bding in before the ski trip!

Junie

February 4th, 2015, 09:47 AM

Sage- She didn't ask you anything about your periods? I think that is very strange. I unfortunately don't live near you but you should try asking about a good Dr. in the Baltimore area in a separate post maybe on the main swaying board as I imagine we must have a few members who live near you.

QueenB3blue

February 4th, 2015, 10:10 AM

Lovin your chart XX!

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XXforhubby

February 4th, 2015, 10:27 AM

Blueeyedguys- I'm so sorry I missed that! I would definitely call that a positive! Did you have an attempt? FX you caught the egg with a pink sperm!

SageViolet- If it were me, I would see someone else. I wouldn't feel comfortable seeing someone who disregards my thoughts on my body. It's your body and you know it better than anyone! I too am shocked she didn't ask you about your cycles. In the meantime, I hope you get a BFP!

Sunbuny- I am so sorry AF showed [emoji22]. Be kind to yourself and make today a cheat day. That's what I do to cope. Yes one full day. Then I pull myself back together and tighten back up. It helps.

Tarasue- PLEASE POAS!!!! I'm seriously hyperventilating! [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]!

AFM- well my temp is still nice and high. Higher than normal at this time. But I take it as great hormone production so I'm happy! I'll test on Sunday, the 8th in case I Oed on the 23rd or 24th. But if AF shows- it's all good! October baby would not be ideal given DH graduate school schedule and work schedule. There is never a perfect time though! On the flip side, there are a lot of October birthdays on both sides of the family- it's a fertile month, and I need all the help I can get!

FX for those waiting to test! We need some more BFPs!!!

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tarasue

February 4th, 2015, 01:37 PM

Sorry, no positive news to report here, just really bad evap lines... I am a super bitch right now and am just angry with the world[emoji35]! PMS I'm sure!

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fivebabies

February 4th, 2015, 02:07 PM

Whew! Had to catch up!

Maiden~ I have read a bit about Femara but haven't made any decisions. I am sort of at the point where if I can't get pregnant on my own then its not meant to be. I do already have 5 healthy kids so I think I will just try this cycle and the next but then I'll accept that I'm done and move on. I'm in the same boat as you as far as not wanting a baby so close to Christmas and I need to have the pregnancy and delivery within the same calendar year for insurance and financial reasons. And if I have to stop ttc to wait until the very end of the year then I don't think I'll want to start back up. Will be time to move on. I am BFing but have always had a short LP (7-10 days).

I'm so impressed with all of you ladies' patience with the charting etc. It tends to make me mental and stresses me out which will keep me from conceiving at all. So hats off to you all!!

tarasue~ I'm sorry Hun. I get the same way! Like you're looking to pick a fight with anyone that you come in contact with....no matter what they do. I go on lockdown mode. I like to stay home and read until the storm passes. I hope you feel better soon!!

So I finally O'd in the middle of the night last night. So I am considering today O Day! It's CD17 for me. We have been dtd since CD10. I'm not swaying just want to have a baby. We will still dtd again tonight. We didn't want to take a chance in missing an egg. FX!

mommymachine

February 4th, 2015, 02:19 PM

I hope this is your month fivebabies!!!

XXforhubby

February 4th, 2015, 02:25 PM

Good to hear from you Fivebabies! If I don't conceive this cycle, next cycle we will do BD every 2-3 days, and then do every day from the end of AF to 2-3 days after O. I'm fed up not getting a BFP cycle after cycle too and will pull out all the stops the next 2 cycles. I feel with diet and exercise that should be a good enough sway!

FX you caught the egg!!!!

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QueenB3blue

February 4th, 2015, 02:28 PM

Sorry your getting evap lines tarasue:(
FX it is just a little early!

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XXforhubby

February 4th, 2015, 04:06 PM

I am having achy type cramping. Hard to describe. More of an ache in my uterus off and on- different from AF cramps. I'm sure it is heralding AF, but I may cave and test in the morning if my temp is still high and I am not spotting. I just hate getting a BFN though! I'm over it already! That is why I may wait and be team ignorant [emoji1]!!

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Junie

February 4th, 2015, 04:34 PM

Tarasue- I think it is still early! I'm hoping you get two nice dark lines in the coming days :)

XX- I think you will like what you see if you test but I completely understand wanting to wait as well.

fivebabies- I hope this is your month!

fivebabies

February 4th, 2015, 09:57 PM

Thanks ladies!

XX I'm with you!!! All I did to sway for my last baby girl was VERY frequent dtd and drank lots of Crystal Light to lower my ph. That's really it. So that's a good enough of a sway for me! Don't stress too much on the swaying. I agree...I just want to get pregnant!!

So I really think I O'd last night but now I'm getting bad O pains again! really bad. And I have a headache. I want to get into bed with a hot pad. So at least I can still count today as O Day. On to the waiting! Ahhhhhhhhh!

essnce629

February 4th, 2015, 10:08 PM

XX-- your chart looks AMAZING!!!! You must be pregnant!!!!

Fivebabies-- good luck tonight! I hope you catch that egg! I totally know how you feel.

XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 12:02 AM

Trying to not get my hopes up [emoji16]! I am keeping it all in prospective- my hormones are balancing out and that makes me very happy! I am focusing on that and if it doesn't happen this time it will very soon!

FX that we all get our BFPs soon so we can treat ourselves- this swaying business is getting old [emoji12]!

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Junie

February 5th, 2015, 04:49 AM

I'm so excited for you XX! I'm still waiting on some O signs, so far nothing. But I'm trying to be hopeful that it doesn't mean I won't O tomorrow.

Grace

February 5th, 2015, 05:47 AM

Junie

February 5th, 2015, 06:00 AM

Good luck Grace! I'm very sorry AF showed. Hopefully this will be your lucky cycle!

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 5th, 2015, 08:07 AM

Hi everyone! Last week AF showed up, five weeks after my mc. I was hoping to catch that first egg, we were BDing every four days since my mc bleeding stopped, so I was quite bummed to see AF. I should be ovulating this weekend. My plan is to DTD every four days and hope it works. Wish you all good luck xxx

Sorry you didn't catch that first egg Grace, it's a hard thing, to accept AF arriving and not being pregnant again. Best of luck to you this cycle[emoji175]

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QueenB3blue

February 5th, 2015, 08:16 AM

So sorry af showed Grace:( I had a really hard time missing that first egg after my mc. Sometimes I tried to tell myself that maybe I didn't even ovulate. I guess a lot of times you don't after a mc, anyways it seemed to make me feel better when I thought that was a possibility.
Good luck this round and hope you catch Goldie!

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QueenB3blue

February 5th, 2015, 08:19 AM

Junie- Hopefully you o'd on cd19!! FX FX

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Junie

February 5th, 2015, 08:21 AM

QueenB- I would LOVE that as at least I would have a chance. But my temps are SO low. Pre-O temps for sure. I think like many of us that I'm not going to have a chance before my first AF. But that is OK. I'm getting caught up in the days and weeks and I have to focus on the big picture which is that I still have a great chance to get pregnant in the coming months. I just have to be patient.

sageviolet

February 5th, 2015, 08:41 AM

Grace and Junie - I had 2 afs after my m/c and then a bfp. Be patient, it will come! *hugs*

Xx - Your chart!!! Oh, the suspense. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for you to poas!

maidentomother

February 5th, 2015, 09:26 AM

Btw, I guess no one had an opinion on if the OPK I posted a couple days ago was positive? It was this one http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/04/54f79c3f2f67dacea87e6d57524e2571.jpg

Positive!

I wouldn't use coconut oil + EOs vaginally while TTC but otherwise I think it might help.

XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 09:33 AM

I'm so sorry Grace AF showed up [emoji20]. I'm hoping that you get a pink, sticky BFP this cycle.

Waiting to take this mornings temp. Boys are letting me rest in bed still...may have to get up a tad early

I'll update if I don't chicken out...

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XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 10:00 AM

Well my temp is still high, but I got a negative on a IC. I really don't feel pregnant and would be surprised to get a BFP. I bet AF will be around the corner for me, and I am fine with that. I'll change up a few things diet wise (just to break from the same old same old [emoji6]) and add fiber back in more routinely.

I really hope you ladies get your BFPs so you pass me your left over baby dust [emoji4]!

Who's due to test soon?

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Junie

February 5th, 2015, 10:00 AM

Junie

February 5th, 2015, 10:01 AM

Haha you just posted XX. WAY too early. Almost no one gets lines at 9DPO -even really pregnant people :D I won't believe it until AF comes.

QueenB3blue

February 5th, 2015, 10:11 AM

XX- I would just say testing this morning ruled out the possibility of the earlier o date! 9 dpo is early. I know I have seen you say it yourself;)
Your temps still look great!

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XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 10:12 AM

XX- I just saw you are only 9 DPO if the 27th was your O date. Now if you test and get 2 lines you know you probably Od earlier, but if you test and get a negative it doesn't mean anything. I can totally understand waiting until the weekend!

Yeah, we will see. I may now wait until AF would be late and test on the 11th. I just hate getting a BFN and refuse to waste a FRER on what I feel is a lost cause. Even though we keep trying, I am getting to the place, more and more often, where I just want to be done already. I got my 2 awesome boys, and I am fine with that. Honestly, how many times am I willing to bang on a door that is not being answered? I am starting to see that it may not be meant to be, and I am feeling at peace with that.

I am not sad or depressed. I just need to express myself and my feelings. DH can't always be there for me, because he is caught up in this too.

Thanks for listening ladies!

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Junie

February 5th, 2015, 11:28 AM

Just remember XX that even though it feels so long right now- many women with no medical issues take up to a year to conceive. (I could list a few examples from friends where the 2nd or 1st took 9-12 months for no real reason that anyone could ever determine) Plus for many months you have been doing things to lower your fertility and of course your chances of a BFP. I understand wanting closure but I do feel that you still have great chances for getting pregnant- and getting pregnant soon. Please don't lose hope!

maidentomother

February 5th, 2015, 11:28 AM

Sunbuny, I'm sorry to hear you're out. :(

sage, I think it's totally weird that she didn't ask about your cycles. That would tell her more than a pelvic exam! Maybe try googling for 'recommend/good RE Baltimore' or similar, see if you find any results on forums etc? Maybe try Yelp, too? Finding drs here is even worse bc I don't know many people and people don't use yelp or Craigslist or online regional forums. Plus I live in a very rural area. But if you csn afford it, I would consider going to a recommended dr even if not covered by insurance. Oh, and what I did when I had insurance was to find bios/pics of drs and decide based on that. My intuition rarely led me astray.

XX, your chart is still so amazing! And I really agree with Junie's post above; it can take a while even without any issues (and you DID have high FSH, presumably for most of your cycles TTC), plus we are swaying pink which takes longer.

Junie, I think I either haven't Oed at all yet (most likely) OR I did release an egg 4 days ago but another one is about to pop. I have found that in cycles when I release 2 eggs, my temp doesn't rise until I release the 2nd egg. And I have released eggs several days apart before (even though they say it's impossible! ). But I've had SO much EWCM the past 4 days, like multiple pairs of underwear changes needed amounts! And today I got a true, blaring positive OPK and Peak on my CBAD. I will try to attempt tonight (3.5 days since last attempt). Unfortunately DF ran out of his thyroid meds a couple weeks ago and so his libido and performance are really, um, down. And I left my ED med stash in the US, alas.

Junie

February 5th, 2015, 11:31 AM

Maiden- I hope things work out so that you can BD tonight!!

XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 11:51 AM

Maiden- I have actually had it confirmed via ultrasound that I can release an egg two days apart. When that happens, my temp is slow to rise and you'll see my body tried to raise the temp, but didn't until the second egg is released. FX for you!

Thanks ladies. I know that even under perfect conditions it can take awhile to conceive. I am just trying to be in the moment and be ok with things as they are. I am preparing for AF and another plan for next cycle. I think we will BD 2-3 days, I'll keep up more vegetarian meals, and add in fiber at my largest meal of the day and any fatty meals. Otherwise, I feel good that my sway is not too strict and my diet and exercise are not too extreme. I feel this is a loose sway, but I feel it needs to be YK! Plus the acupuncture is helping because my charts are showing great estrogen and progesterone production.

I don't know what I would do without you ladies! It is so comforting to know that I can talk to people who GET it! [emoji8]!

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maidentomother

February 5th, 2015, 11:53 AM

fivebabies, I am a huge believer in fate so I totally understand where you're coming from. I hope you catch the egg this month, whether you've just Oed or are about to! Do you use OPKs? If not, how do you predict/determine O? I personally find charting/temping LESS stressful than not doing so, bc without temping I can't be sure of when I Oed (OPKs typically aren't reliable for me), which REALLY stresses me out. Plus I've been charting so long it's automatic at this point.

Grace, I am sorry you missed the first egg but I hope you catch this next one. Sounds like maybe we will O together as I expect to O Friday or Saturday.

Junie, I hope you O soon, or already have, despite the lack of a positive OPK. Have you been attempting every 4 days just in case? Things can be weird in post loss cycles. How long will DH be gone for? And thank you for the well wishes!

XX, you are still so early I wouldn't be dismayed by a BFN, though I know it's impossible not to feel somewhat disappointed. Fx you just need a few more days. How many DPO were you when you had that spot of blood?

I have also had my hyper O confirmed by ultrasound, with 2 eggs being released days apart on several occasions. The most confirmed by ultrasound was 7 days, but based on symptoms and charting I believe I've released them as far apart as 2 weeks! How very interesting that your experience with hyper O and temps is the same. You're so my twin!

Remember how 4 days ago I was telling my ovary to release another egg bc I had BDed so late? Be careful what you wish for...!

2boysJustOneGirl

February 5th, 2015, 11:56 AM

I am crampy and feel PMS already! Only 3-4 dpo! So annoying.

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 5th, 2015, 12:08 PM

I had no idea you can release two eggs per cycle! Considering I seem to be having EWCM again maybe that's what I am feeling too?

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QueenB3blue

February 5th, 2015, 12:17 PM

I am crampy and feel PMS already! Only 3-4 dpo! So annoying.

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2boys- this ended up being a good sign for me! Good Luck!

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 5th, 2015, 12:17 PM

I hope you are right QueenB! Thanks for the boost of positivity!

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EmileeJane

February 5th, 2015, 12:23 PM

Tarasue sorry you didn't hear better news. I also go through those up and down negative feelings. Pms/AF is the worst reminder of not being pregnant. (Hugs girlie)

Junie

February 5th, 2015, 12:26 PM

Maiden- We've been BDing every 3 (tonight is up again LOL) and we'll also BD tomorrow as late as possible before he leaves for a last chance. He'll be gone 9 days so really either I O by Sun at the lastest or I am out for this cycle.

I also just have to say that I love having you guys and totally agree with XX. It is so nice to talk to people who "get it".

EmileeJane

February 5th, 2015, 12:40 PM

Xx I'm glad you feel alright about the situation you're in. I am not yet alright with no more children. But even cycle it gets a smidgen easier to accept. I also grateful to you all. No matter how understanding the DH is HE can never truly understand all the crazy things we go through as women physically and emotionally.
I'm on 4th day of meds and feel crampy and bloated. I think that's the estrogen working. CD 8, ready to start BD!

I'm wondering if you Xx or any one else that's been trying a while has talked to their doc about meds or is on them?

Junie

February 5th, 2015, 02:06 PM

Ladies just did an OPK and it was a bit darker- please cross everything that this happens in the next 3 days for me!!

maidentomother

February 5th, 2015, 02:30 PM

I had no idea you can release two eggs per cycle! Considering I seem to be having EWCM again maybe that's what I am feeling too?

I'm not sure how common it is in the general population to hyper O if you don't have the gene, though I do know that most times when 2 eggs are released they are released within a couple hours of each other AT MOST. I have the hyper O gene (frequency of about 10%) and I release 2 eggs, 3-4 cycles a year for the past few years. I have been having more and more hyper O cycles per year over time. My first 5 pregnancies between ages 20-26 were all singletons, but I was also trying to AVOID pregnancy and I know at least 2 of those cycles I conceived were hyper O but I caught only one egg bc there were days between the 2 eggs being released.

I can't tell if I'm hyper Oing based on CM, btw. But others including you may be able to. I also don't have any cramping in hyper O or regular cycles (I almost never have cramps except during AF) I do have symptoms that I nearly always and usually only have in hyper O cycles, though (migraines & mental effects from high estrogen, 2 or prolonged O pains, 2 LH surges or one longer than usual one). But I know this only bc of so long charting and bc of confirmation via ultrasound and bloodwork.

maidentomother

February 5th, 2015, 02:42 PM

What is up with tarasue? I haven't seen her posting lately. She is in testing range now right?

2boys, cramping at unusual times during your LP is often a good sign.

EJ, I hope you have a nice, high quality egg growing! I am on my 7th cycle TTC (though 3 of my 6 cycles so far my timing was so bad I missed O), but I started NTNP in Dec 2011. I conceived twins my 2nd cycle but lost both bc one was ectopic, and the loss really messed me up for a long time both mentally and physically. I am seriously considering seeing a dr for some clomid/femara, to try the cycle after next (which will be my last cycle swaying & actively TTC). I have always had a short LP, too, though I conceived easily despite it in the past.

Junie, I really hope you are about to O! And I'm SO glad you've been attempting regularly.

I had some pretty strong O twinges around 5-6pm that felt like they were the beginning of my full on O pain but nope, they dissipated. I wish I would O right now though bc then I wouldn't need to attempt again! But if I O tomorrow night, I think I should attempt since otherwise I will only have O-4. Though I have at least had lots of EWCM to keep sperm alìve...if there are any, considering DF's currently untreated hypothyroidism. :/

XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 02:54 PM

I'm wondering if you Xx or any one else that's been trying a while has talked to their doc about meds or is on them?

I am not a good candidate for meds since other than my bloodwork, everything looks great! I have the appropriate amount of follicles for my age and my lining is just right too. So I am going the acupuncture route and have added Yoga back in for peace of mind.

The only thing I am doing to sway is the fertility diet, fiber before fatty meals and the biggest meal of the day, cinnamon in my morning decaf coffee, exercise, and BDing no more than 2 attempts in my fertile window (at least for one more cycle anyway). No snacking and not eating for several hours after waking.

I can't drop the exercise- it's the only thing that keeps me sane and some chocolate once a day [emoji6]!

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Sunbuny

February 5th, 2015, 04:42 PM

Wow.. So much to catch up on in the mornings [emoji4]

Fx for you Junie

Maiden, really hope it works for you this month. You are such a wealth of knowledge... You'll have to peek into the 2ww forums still to answer our questions.

My temps are annoying me. My bbt dropped on Dpo 13 with just a bit of spotting, was back up over cover line dpo 14 with a little spotting last night but temp was back right down this morning. Who knows what is going on... I'm really getting over it.

I have to agree with the others... This is an amazing group with amazing people and I'm so grateful I stumbled across gender dreaming xxx

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sageviolet

February 5th, 2015, 05:39 PM

Good for you, xx, but I'm feeling sad and depressed. I've been trying as long as you. I'm just starting to accept that Junie and Maiden are right, it really hasn't been that long. I found info on a fertility center I know some friends used for IVF, and it turns out they do basic stuff which would be covered by our insurance, too. Their site says they do the "day 3 test" which is really the type of bloodwork check-up I had in mind, plus a SA of dh. So we will try there next, but then again, it hasn't been a full year and we don't have any of the real warning signs they say mean you should come in sooner. Anyway the site was very informative, so I'll share it here if anyone else wants to browse the articles: Infertility Treatment in Maryland, Virginia, Philadelphia & DC | IUI, IVF, Donor Egg, Egg Freezing | Shady Grove Fertility Center (http://www.shadygrovefertility.com/)

So my plan right now is try more acupuncture and learn more about the Creighton model, although I'm not optimistic about that. If we still don't have a bfp in a couple of months (I will go by 12 attempts rather than months!), I will totally be calling this place and getting the check-ups I want, what I had thought I would get underway this week.

XXforhubby

February 5th, 2015, 06:34 PM

Chin up SageViolet! I am hoping we get our BFPs soon and move on from this holding pattern! I am not sure how I will react if I ever get a BFP. I'll probably be in a state of disbelief and buy several different types of tests, because I'll doubt it could be positive!

Well at least we have each other- you ladies on this forum help tremendously!

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Mars

February 5th, 2015, 10:20 PM

Sorry to hear some of you are finding this ttc path hard. Hopefully this month is a great month for us!
I'm 2dpo I believe so on to the waiting. I feel hopeful this cycle. We BD right near O where as past cycles I think we may have stopped BD before I Od.

fivebabies

February 6th, 2015, 12:31 AM

maiden~ I go off of my body's signs alone. I always get a migraine about 48 hours before, 3 days of ewcm, day after I get the VERY sharp pains for about 30 minutes, back pain with it, then I go dry and my uterus/ovaries are tender and back still hurts, then another migraine 24 hours later. AND I'm a raging b!tch over those 72 hours. lol. Every month (not pregnant or first year of nursing) for the last 20 years. Its pretty easy to know when I start ovulating again after a baby. lol.

EmileeJane

February 6th, 2015, 12:47 AM

Maiden- you have had quite the journey. How did you decide you cut off for TTC? Based on emotional stress or the availability of your doner? Either way, seems stressful. I hope you are doing alright. You always seem to be in good spirit on here.
Xx- what is was a miss with your blood work?
I had some blood work done back in September and all came back fine. My doctor had told me age doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it( I'm only 30), but he offered meds if I wasn't pregnant in 6 months. Then I had that shot that screwed everything up. We sat in his office beginning of Jan and went over the last 8 or 9 months of cycles(which luckily I'd kept track of). And how easily I'd gotten pregnant with my first 2. He came to the conclusion that I may only be O ing 1/2 the time, even though I'm getting all the right signals and pos OPKs.
He felt comfortable enough, I suppose, putting me on meds. He also knew I was anxious to TTC.
I just find it very odd for us or people like us to be putting SO much work and effort into making a baby and for it to not happen in a certain amount of time. I find it crazy that all this temping, timed sex and opks would not yield a pregnancy within 3 months, 4 MAX!
I can't help but feel like I very much need medicine to even me out and help me out this time. It's so bizarre.
I also had a bit of a freak out today when I realized if I O on day 18 or so of my cycle this month, and we're lucky enough to get pregnant, my EDD would be 1st week of December! WHAT?!?!?!? This is my last shot at a 2015 baby! It breaks my heart to think if I don't conceive this month it's likely to be a year from now that I may have my baby:(

tarasue

February 6th, 2015, 01:36 AM

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I'm in a really tough place mentally right now. I have focused all my time and effort for 6 months ttc. Getting pregnant, loosing it and now ttc again and I am an emotional atomic bomb. My dr. upped my clomid to 100 this cycle, but I don't even know if I'm going to take it. I have been religiously doing 70-85 min of cardio a day, I have maybe missed 2 days since the beginning of the year, kept on top of the le diet and still have managed to gain 5 pounds... It's got to be the clomid, it just doesn't add up.

Good luck to everyone, I haven't had the time to read through all the posts in the past few days and now I feel really out of the loop. I wish you all Bfp's!!!

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EmileeJane

February 6th, 2015, 01:50 AM

I am sorry Tarasue:( That is no good. Sounds like your doing everything right. I wouldn't sweat that extra weight. Who knows it may work in your favor. My doc suggested I gain 5 lbs when he saw me in sept. He told me 5 lbs can go a long way in fertility.
Having AF show is the worst reminder. I can only imagine what it would feel like after a mc. I feel so sad for all of you that have experienced that amd it makes me scared that if I'm lucky enough to get pregnant I will also miscarry.
Sorry I don't have much advice. I'm feeling low as well. We need a serious turn around in this group or we'll need to change it from the 2ww group to the forever wait group. Start our own long term support group! Xoxo all, good night!

maidentomother

February 6th, 2015, 03:44 AM

XX and tarasue, I'm so sorry (and surprised) AF came for you both. I swear it's this time of year, it's just BAD! Take some time away if you need to...or talk to us.

Sage, a CD3 workup is exactly what the dr should have done. I hope you find someone good at that fertility center.

EJ, I can't risk giving birth in Jan or Feb (very bad time of the year for me, I'd be at high risk for PPD) and after 2 more cycles it'll be a full year on the diet, 9 months TTC! So I will just need a break. And to possibly find another donor which is a trial as I am very picky. I would love to have the plumber here this morning service me (or just give me a donation in a cup)...but how do I even ask that? Plus I'd have to ask in German and mine is far from perfect. I especially don't know the slang.

My mother had me at 36 and my whole life I've been angry she had me so late, I ALWAYS wanted kids young, in my 20s, now I feel like I am doomed to repeat my mother's life and my birthday is in March...:(

Junie

February 6th, 2015, 04:11 AM

Sage- I'm glad you have a place to head to if the next few cycles don't work. If you are really worried you could always try calling them now, explaining your situation and seeing if they would let you come in earlier.

Maiden- I hope this cycle works for you! The pressure regarding timing makes this whole process harder. It looks like you haven't O'd yet?

EmJ- I'm sorry you are feeling down. I really hope this cycle brings you your 2015 baby :)

Tarasue- I think maybe your body needs that 5 pounds to get pregnant. I wouldn't drop the clomid and I would try to have high hopes for this cycle. I think sometimes it pays to be a bit less strict on certain aspects of the sway especially if you are starting to get down about it.

Sunbuny- I wish your temps had gone back up and stayed up!

XX- I'm looking forward to seeing your temp this morning!

AFM- Temps still low. I'll do an OPK later today and hopefully it will be a bit darker. I would really love to have a chance this cycle. My chart actually looks really similar to my chart with son#2. I did a chart overlay (current cycle is purple) and it gives me hope that I could possibly O in the next 3 days. We also thankfully did end up BDing last night even though I had a bit too much to drink and got a headache. Which I was very happy about!
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maidentomother

February 6th, 2015, 04:59 AM

Nope was hoping to see a temp rise this morning but didn't happen. I would like to attempt again but we'll see if it's possible.

This is EXACTLY what happened last time I went off Vitex...O occured on CD22 the following cycle. I'm on CD22 today! And I did have finally get a blaring OPK and Peak yesterday. I had bad O pain last night, too. Grr.

Maybe I will conceive with my one O-4 attempt. But like XX I can't even imagine a BFP at this point.

Junie, your chart IS strikingly similar. Based on that you should O tomorrow. Come on eggy!

blueeyedguys

February 6th, 2015, 07:00 AM

Thanks, Maiden!

I tested today, just for fun really since I'm only 7dpo. Unsurprisingly negative. lol

Been having issues I only seem to have when hugely pregnant, but none of my usual early signs. Bear in mind I shocked a dr. once when I told him I was pregnant, but needed an official test. He thought I was bonkers when he asked me how late my period was & I told him it wasn't due yet. Test was positive.(that was ds2).

90+% of me thinks I am & is just hoping it's a girl. The rest of me thinks that it's so unlikely as to be impossible, on both fronts.

2boysJustOneGirl

February 6th, 2015, 08:29 AM

Oh no tarasue! I was so optimistic for you this cycle- and the next! Don't give up, I know exactly how you are feeling, like this journey has been long enough and with the loss thrown in there, it so difficult to find any strength to move forward and keep trying. I am sending you a big hug[emoji169]

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sageviolet

February 6th, 2015, 09:00 AM

Fivebabies, wow, that's a lot to go through. At least you have very clear signs to pinpoint o!

Emilee, *hugs*. Several times in my life I have had to surrender my own timeline ideas to follow God's timeline (or whatever higher power you believe in), and His planning is usually better anyway even though I can't understand why at the time. I am curious what type of dr you went to see?

Tarasue, at least you know you can get pregnant. Keep trying and a bean is bound to stick around sooner or later! I had 2 periods after my early m/c (5-1/2 weeks) and then a bfp. I wouldn't sweat the 5lbs, or rather maybe you will in warmer weather. Isn't that in the range for water weight? It's not much, not worth the worry. It's probably from the m/c.

Maiden, *hugs*! If I remember, you had other reasons to be mad at your mother besides her age. I know 2 separate women who had their first at age 40, and turned out to be great moms. I think it keeps them young. That said, I hope to be done much sooner, but that's because of the extra risks in pregnancy and newborn nights. Your child will not hate you just because of your age. Blame them for not showing up sooner, lol!

Junie, your chart looks good! It's interesting to compare and see how you get that early peak. Does that happen every cycle?

My update: What's going on with my temp?! I didn't expect a rise until Sunday. It's very predictable, opk+ then 2 days later the rise. Maybe my changes this cycle did something? Maybe this change is what we need for a bfp? Or maybe our bding is off now since it was so close. How much time do the swimmers need to get up there? I can't blame this on sleep because dd has been sleeping amazingly well. Your thoughts?

And I just want to add how much I love this group. You're all so supportive and sweet. And give me much more info than that dr did! I love each one of you and hope we all get our babies soon <3

Junie

February 6th, 2015, 09:40 AM

Maiden- I think you're right. I had EWCM finally! So hoping this is it! I hope it is possible for you to attempt again so you have better chances for your BFP!
Blue- I think you should trust your instincts! Hopefully you get two lines in a few days!
Sage- To me that temp jump is great!! Plus your timing is so boyfriendly!! I hope you get a nice big BFP in a little bit.

So I'm thrilled that it looks like I will O today or tomorrow and DH and I will have a chance this cycle, but I have to admit I feel like I have already been waiting SO long that it sucks to have to wait at least another week and a half to know if this cycle will be a bust or not. Does anyone have any good strategies for dealing with all the waiting?

2boysJustOneGirl

February 6th, 2015, 09:57 AM

Junie the best way I deal with waiting is staying off the forum and focusing on something else-anything! Baking, shopping- whatever!

I know for me, and many others after miscarriage, your "cycle" can be very, very screwed up. I had what I thought was O pains and was definitely EWCM about 3 weeks after my loss and AF showed up a few days later.
I want to help prepare you for the worst- but I am hoping for the best for you! It can and does happen and I hope you are one of the lucky ones to prove it;)

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Junie

February 6th, 2015, 10:07 AM

Thanks 2boys!!! I will try not to get my hopes up thankfully temping helps keep me from getting too excited. I will try to stay busy! My hubby will be out of town so that doesn't help but I'll try some new books.

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XXforhubby

February 6th, 2015, 10:23 AM

Well I am hoping that one of you ladies will get a BFP!

AF showed up for me too. It looks like I am cycling with Tarasue. My cycles have gone back to what they were before having kids- 23-28 day cycles with 24-26 being the average. I also am having NO PMS, which is great and contribute to acupuncture as well. I am taking this as a FANTASTIC sign that this ship is getting turned around! I am surprisingly at peace with this and am looking forward to changing some things up a bit for this cycle.

GL to those waiting to test! I am selfishly hoping one of you at least gets a BFP so you can pass me some of your leftover baby dust [emoji6]

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 6th, 2015, 11:24 AM

Xx sorry you are out! I am really, truly moved by your optimism:)

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TaytumJ

February 6th, 2015, 11:28 AM

This is my first 2WW since being off BC in October! I, of course, made an appointment with an OBGYN on Monday after a 120+CD and sure enough that ended up being the day I think I O'ed. I'm still going to go next week just to get some tests done and talk to them about it. I'm hoping that it was just coming off my Seasonale BC that caused the delayed O. I don't think we BD'ed nearly enough to be in the running for a BFP, but I'm just excited to finally be in 2WW!

I also had a big dip yesterday, but I'm thinking it might have been Corpus Leutum dip? Anyone else experience this?

Junie

February 6th, 2015, 11:34 AM

XX - I'm so sorry but I love your attitude!!

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XXforhubby

February 6th, 2015, 12:27 PM

Grace

February 6th, 2015, 01:13 PM

XXforhubby

February 6th, 2015, 01:15 PM

I just realized that I am set to O on or during the New Moon this month! Looking back through my old charts, I Oed during the Full Moon with both boys. Not sure if it sways much though.

I'll take all the help I can get [emoji1]!

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XXforhubby

February 6th, 2015, 02:59 PM

Sorry XX,but I admire your optimism!

I think I'm going to o soon, not sure yet when our next attempt will be- either tonight or tomorrow, can't make up my mind: If it's tonight , I'll be worried that it's only three days since our previous BD. But if it's tomorrow then I'll be worried that it's too close to o and might be too late....wish I had that crystal ball ;) guess I'll just leave it up to chance and if the boys go to sleep early it will be today, otherwise- tomorrow.

I would have an attempt. 3 days is still good and if it were me, I would want to catch the egg! You'll make the right decision. Just promise me that once you make up your mind, don't look back even if it doesn't work out. Ttcing is hard enough without us beating ourselves up for trying to do our best!

FX you catch the egg with a pink sperm [emoji8]!

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mommymachine

February 6th, 2015, 03:21 PM

Sorry about AF XX:(

Junie

February 6th, 2015, 04:10 PM

mommymachine- Your chart looks awesome!

XXforhubby

February 6th, 2015, 04:34 PM

Ooh I am getting excited for you Mommymachine!!!!

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Mars

February 6th, 2015, 05:50 PM

Sorry to hear XX :( great news that your cycle is getting back on track though.

TaytumJ

February 6th, 2015, 07:18 PM

Welcome TaytumJ! FX you caught an egg!

I have experienced a temp dip after O but it is above the coverline still. My temp usually doesn't drop below the coverline until CD2 or CD3 for me though.

Hope you get a BFP!

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Sorry about your AF, XX. Hopefully though with the new moon this next time will be your chance! FX and lots if pink dust to you!

I'm going to see what chart does the next few days. It was a pretty big dip, but back up today? Seriously...why are bodies so crazy?!

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XXforhubby

February 6th, 2015, 07:35 PM

My experience is that once we start swaying our bodies do crazy things! I'm now on cycle 8 ttc!

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maidentomother

February 6th, 2015, 07:41 PM

blueeyedguys, I hope you are indeed pregnant! You could get a BFP starting tomorrow, fx. With my last pregnancy I knew I was pregnant with twins from implantation onwards so I'm a big believer in intuition.

fivebabies, I can't imagine having multiple migraines EVERY cycle, wow. How do you stand it? I get migraines in some of my hyper O cycles but they are usually mild and certainly not every month. Do you have meds you can take to help?

sage, I'm not worried that my kids will blame me for having them later, I'm just angry at myself/the world bc I think it's better to have kids young for MANY reasons, including health reasons as mentioned, also so my kids can have living grandparents, cousins close in age, (I had neither) and not a big generation gap with me. My dad was even older, 47, when I was born. And I have a 7 year younger brother. Yes, I had many jssues with my mom but the having kids young thing goes way beyond that snd always had. I also really wanted a big family - for years I dreamed of 12 kids, then later I decided 6 was more reasonable...now I'll be lucky if I can manage 4. Plus I want to BF for as long as each child wants which I might not be able to do if I want to have several children as soon as possible. It's my whole number one life dream being messed up. Of course, being widowed and rapidly & abruptly crippled have posed/still pose major obstacles.

Enough about me...that temp rise does seem to indicate you Oed. Do you think you definitely did or could it be a fluke like my one temp early this cycle? Is there any reason that temp might be less than reliable? As for how long sperm take to reach your reproductive tract, that happens in seconds to minutes. The bigger issue is that sperm cannot fertilize an egg until they capicitate, and that process takes several hours (maybe 6 on average but potentially up to 12 hours depending on various factors). I am worried about the same thing, bc I think I Oed early this morning but I didn't attempt until 8 pm, and generally the egg is only viable for 12 hours (if even that). Fingers crossed we both catch our eggs! Will you be testing early or waiting for AF?

Junie, do you get O pain that seems to usually coincide with O, or any other symptoms that help you pinpoint O during or after the fact? I did attempt again today but I think I Oed 12 hours before so not thrilled with my chances. I'm still glad I tried. I also have found my cycle (for multiple months, in fact) was pretty weird/messed up after my loss.

TaytumJ, I hate to say it but I'm not sure you've Oed considering that big temp drop & the subtlety of your temp shift. I'll comment in more detail in your thread. I hope I'm wrong to doubt it though.

Ladies, I had another true positive today but it's definitely lightercthsn yesterday's, no longer blaring. I think I Oed around 8am at the latesr and unfortunately didn't attempt again until 8pm (plumber was here all morning then I was waiting all afternoon for heating oil delivery that came 5 hours late with no communication!). I can't believe both my attempts were so poorly timed this month. Also, 4.5 days apart. I did however have some strong left ovary twinges in the early afternoon so I have a teensy bit of hope that maybe I released an egg from my left as well as the earlier egg from my right. I rarely O from the left but my last pregnancy the girl twin was from an egg my left ovary. All other pregnancies the egg came from my right. But most likely I won't get a chance to conceive this cycle I think.

maidentomother

February 6th, 2015, 07:55 PM

Grace, have you had a positive OPK or almost positive? I hope you do O soon so we're O bddies. I'd do 3.5 days since last attempt if you're unsure of when to attempt again.

XX, I think Oing on a New Moon does significantly (at least) sway pink and at least one study demonstrated that it sways pink strongly (with a large majority of NM babies being girls). Full Moon only very slightly sways blue on the flipside. Fx that's why your cycles have been shortening so as to align O with the NM so as to conceive then. Unfortunately my past 3 cycles have very clearly been shifting to align with the FM. But I know/hope it's not a huge deal. I'm more worried about my snacking/very weak fasting the past week. I've been SO hungry lately, often sick to my stomach even.

I agree mommymachine's chart is amazing - I've been eyeing it for several days - but I think she is not yet TTC, correct me if I'm wrong?

Junie, I recommend reading some totally engrossing, utterly compelling, long winded and/or lengthy series...like Game of Thrones, the Hollows/Rachel Morgan series, or the Dark Secrets books by A. M. Hudson. Those are high fantasy, urban fantasy and paranormal romance, respectively. Ooh or the Outlander series is great for historical romance. What do you like to read? Or you could watch a season or two of a great TV show; if you tell me your preferences I can make suggestions. :) Those are the most effective ways I know of to make the TWW pass more quickly!

2boysJustOneGirl

February 6th, 2015, 08:31 PM

Outlander is fantastic!!!! My fav by far.

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 6th, 2015, 08:34 PM

And the new moon thing freaks me out. I believe it sways pink-I conceived my angel dd in a new moon. Now I am back to ovulating around the full moon and if this cycle I get a BFP I will be obsessed with the thought of the bloody moon and its ability to ruin a half assed post loss sway. I will always blame this factor if I get an opposite. If I even get a BFP!!!!

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TaytumJ

February 6th, 2015, 10:58 PM

Maidentomother, I was worried about that after such a steep drop. [emoji17] I'm hoping that maybe it was more because of a restless night's sleep? I tossed and turned and woke up early then went back to sleep. Any way that could mess with it?

Junie, I just started the podcast Serial (Serial (http://www.serialpodcast.org)) and I am hooked! It definitely helps pass the time and take my mind off a lot of other things. I've also been listening while walking on the treadmill.

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Grace

February 7th, 2015, 02:40 AM

We had our attempt last night! The way I see it is that if I o on cd11-12 , then our attempt from cd7 is probably meaningless, especially with me being so very dry down there, so an attempt on cd10 seems good, even if that makes it only 3 days between attempts. Now all I can do is wait and wait and wait.... and hope these will be my last couple of weeks on LE diet !

Junie

February 7th, 2015, 03:50 AM

Maiden- I read the first 3 or 4 game of thrones but it got a bit too depressing for my taste so I stopped. I loved the first Outlander but don't like "soapy" type books (in terms of once a couple comes together I want them to stay together I don't want to read 6 books of obstacles being thrown in their way- just not my taste), Dark Secrets sounds sort of interesting but I can't stand love triangles!, sounds like that is an issue in the Hollows books as well. But you are right a good book is just what I need! I like fantasy, paranormal romance, sci-fi- but I can be a bit picky :D

Taytum- I would want to wait for a few more days of temps before deciding if you have Od or not. Serial sounds very good!

I've had another low temp and DH and I had our last BD attempt last night. Now I just have to hope I O soon, or otherwise try to move on for this cycle. I'm really down at the moment. I've lost 4 months to the miscarriage when you also consider that TTC cycle and now it looks like if I do ever O my H won't even be in town. Long cycles can be so depressing. I mean people will have finished a whole cycle before I even O (if I ever do). I'm trying to just focus on the future and present but it would be a lot easier if I felt like I even had a chance of getting pregnant. I also have tons of pregnancy and O signs all the time due to the miscarriage, which is depressing and makes it hard to know if anything is actually going to happen this cycle. Sorry for the poor me post ladies, just had to vent.

TaytumJ

February 7th, 2015, 08:36 AM

I had a 97.68 temp this AM. Still above cover line but not very high. [emoji17] I feel your frustration. If this isn't an actual O I'll be so upset. I'm actually on cd126, but marked this cycle as CD1 on the first day of light dark brown spotting because I just mentally HAD to see a new chart with a clean slate.

I don't know much about miscarriages, but I am really sorry for your loss and I can completely understand all the emotions you're going through. I think you're completely entitled to a vent, and more. I hope that the light at the end of the tunnel shines through for you soon!

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maidentomother

February 7th, 2015, 09:13 AM

Just2boys, you read how I wrote FM doesn't really sway blue? The vast majority of all babies are conceived on/near FMs. Definitely not woryh stressing about.

TaytumJ, restless sleep should artificially RAISE, not lower, your temp. Plus, your post O temps are not well above your Pre ao temps AND they've been stagnant. Temps should be increasing overall during the first 7-10 days of the LP, at least. Yours aren't. :/ I do totally get starting a new cycle and really, you don't need more than 2w of temps before O to get the overall picture.

Grace, good thinking and good luck!

Junie, while I haven't had a loss as late as you, I've had more long cycles this past year than ever before, due to Vitex mostly I think. I HATE Oing in the CD20s. So I understand your frustration. Fx your last attempt is all you end up needing.

I wouldn't call Outlander soapy (and I do know what you mean), as the couple do stay together really. Keep reading! I highly doubt you will be regret doing so. The Hollows books do NOT have a love triangle. There is definite romantic confusion, bc Rachel is immature, but no love triangles. I also despise love triangles, btw, however I DO like true polyamory. Dark Secrets is YA and probably what you would consider soapy, but I found it just crazy addictive. A guilty pleasure. Like how some people talk about Twilight, but far better (I am not a Twilight fan). It is pretty melodramatic and there are love triangles on and off but I could handle them bc to me it was always clear ons guy had her heart always.

Junie

February 7th, 2015, 09:44 AM

Taytum- oh you poor thing! Have you talked to yourDr. about your cycle length?? I really hope you O soon or have Od.

Maiden- There are lots of books I like which most definitely would be considered low brow or YA. I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought the books you suggested were bad. I can't relate when the protagonist likes multiple people or when they don't tell someone how they feel but many people can read those stories without having to relate to the protagonist. I think it is just a personal issue. I'm at the gym now with the kiddos but I'll check out your other suggestion when I get home. If you haven't read the Sabriel series by Garth Nix or Poison Study series by Maria Synder(although really only the first one is good) I can recommend them. I also read a book "California Bones" by Greg Eekhout this summer which I loved very fast paced and fun and a take on magic I hadn't seen before.

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XXforhubby

February 7th, 2015, 10:22 AM

Grace- Yay! I really hope you caught the egg with a pink sperm!! FX for you!

Junie- I sure hope you O soon!

TaytumJ- you poor thing! I would do the same thing and need to see a new chart with cycles that long. Have you notified your doctor of this? FX you O soon!

AFM- DS2 weaned himself yesterday. He didn't ask and I didn't offer. We made it to 20 months (I could have gone longer), which is how long I BFed DS1. Acupuncture is totally helping AF. I haven't had a period like this since I had my boys! It's a welcome change!

Ladies waiting to test, I am hoping beyond hope that you get your BFPs this cycle! For my mental health, I need to see more [emoji3]!

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maidentomother

February 7th, 2015, 11:26 AM

I went and edited my post to add more but then my stupid tablet crashed, argh! I was not offended at all I know just what you mean, Junie. There are certain tropes I just can't stand either. So just ignore my polyamory suggestions below! My issue is indecisive characters who are so self-unaware they can't see whom they should choose, but multiple love interests don't inherently bother me.

Here is what I was able to recover:

My recs are all at least 4/5 stars (out of 2000 books on goodreads, I think I have 30 x 5 stars, maybe 70 x 4 stars? Most books get 2-3 stars and I give 1 stars, too). I am a super harsh rater and picky (I prefer 'discriminating') should be my first name! But I'm trying to think of books that are long AND good AND you can't put them down, not necessarily my fave books ever.

The Night Huntress books by Jeaniene Frost with Cat & Bones are fantastic PNR, with a couple that stays together (also my preference). The Golden Compass/His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman is the height of YA fantasy. The Merry Gentry series by Laurell K Hamilton, PNR, it has polyamory and lots of sex, and I LOVE the characters. Two of my top 10 favourite books of all time are The Diamond Age and Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson. His Cryptonomicon is also fantastic and very long (> 1000 pages). All his stuff is SF. Kushiel's Dart etc (there are 3 trilogies set in the same fantasy world and each book is around1000 pages!) by Jacqueline Carey are wonderful romantic fantasy with political intrigue.

The Thirst/Last Vampire series by Christopher Pike are my #1 favourite books, YA urban fantasy. Graceling by Kristin Cashore is 5 star fantasy plus romance, and I'm reading the 3rd book in the same world currently. Frank Herbert's Dune series (all 6 books) are awesome SF. If you like vampires, they have been my literary obsession for the past 20 years so I can give many recs there. Oh, and nearly all my suggestions are completed series, not still in progress.

I assume you've read Harry Potter? I loved the Sabriel series and the Poison Study books are on my to-read list! I have not heard of Califotnia Bones but will look it up. We read mostly the same genres, though I do read historical romance and historical fiction/classics now and then.

maidentomother

February 7th, 2015, 11:35 AM

XX, congrats on 20 months BFing, that's amazing! Are you sure it's the acupuncture and not reduced BFing/weaning that's responsible for your normalized AF?

I am still not sure if I've Oed, so maybe I still have a shot this month. I've had SO much EWCM and O pain this cycle, maybe due to the Soy?

XXforhubby

February 7th, 2015, 12:09 PM

Maiden- It could be a combination of reduced BFing and the acupuncture, since I had been BFing DS2 once a day for a cycle and a half. Hard to really say! It took 2 cycles for them to get back on track after weaning DS1 though. DS1 weaned himself suddenly at 20 months when I was still BFing him 2-3 times a day. Maybe that had something to do with it taking 2 cycles before conceiving DS2. Who knows! I'm just glad that I was able to BF DS2 just as long as DS1 while swaying for part of it!

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XXforhubby

February 7th, 2015, 12:17 PM

I hope all you ladies waiting to O do soon! I can't wait to see some more BFPs!

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TaytumJ

February 7th, 2015, 12:28 PM

Junie & XX - so hoping I get more signs that this was O. Maybe I just want it so badly that I'm pushing it. I went to my general doctor at the beginning of January about it, since I hadn't O'ed or had a period since beginning of Oct. She didn't seem that concerned, just said it was me coming off BC (fair enough). I had an U/S done and they said everything looks fine - one larger cyst on my left ovary, but again, didn't seem concerned. I made an appt though with an actual OBGYN this month to get better answers. Hopefully something good comes of it! Thanks so much for your well wishes and support! I'd just like to at least have some hope of TTC (so I definitely can relate to you there, Junie!)

Also, I love YA series! I teach 7th and 8th grade LA, and right now the students are really in the Fallen series. I've only read the first book (it was good, but definitely more YA). I'm assuming you've read the Divergent series? I'm finishing my Master's this semester so it seems like I've only been reading counseling curriculum books but I'll be following along for any new books to pick up as well!

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VegMom

February 7th, 2015, 12:29 PM

Hi gals :) popping in to introduce myself. I have 2 boys (5&7) and just had my iud removed last month after my hubby surprised me with wanting to try for a third. We would love a girl, but mostly are thrilled to add another soul to our family regardless of flavor. I am swaying lightly, skipping breakfast, cardio 70+minutes 6 days a week, taking fiber, and choosing less nutritious food overall. We're aiming for 1 attempt in the fertile window, so probably tomorrow or Monday. I'm not temping, but did buy my first ever OPKs yesterday and will use those to help determine O - even though my cycles are pretty regular and EWCM is a great clue for me.

My most recent pregnancy was a surrogacy, which resulted in a beautiful baby boy in October of 2013. It was a beautiful experience, and learning all about IVF was really neat. For some reason I'm nervous about conceiving naturally after IVF, but I know it's unfounded worry. Lots of my surro friends have gone on to conceive just fine, and there is no indication it will be any different for me.

I'm happy to hang here and get to know all of you!

XXforhubby

February 7th, 2015, 12:38 PM

Welcome Vegmom! Your sway sounds great! You are such an amazing, giving person! I'm sure you'll have no problem conceiving, since you're not doing a ton of extraneous stuff that really doesn't sway and reduces conception. FX you get a BFP soon!

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maidentomother

February 7th, 2015, 12:45 PM

Taytum, Divergent is on my to-read list. Who is the author of the Fallen series? Sounds familiar. And what exactly is LA? What is your Master's in?

Vegmom, I agree, your sway sounds good and surrogacy is an incredible gift. I highly doubt your experience will have any negative effects. If anything being recently pregnant could help your pink sway. If I actually O or did, sounds like we may be in the TWW together this month.

Junie

February 7th, 2015, 02:46 PM

Maiden- I'm so excited to check these books out! Thank you! I've read a few and loved them like Dune (although admittedly not all of the series), His Dark Materials,etc. I also have Snow Crash on my kindle and have wanted to start it for awhile. So I am excited to have lots of books to read. I normally read a few books parallel and go through phases where I only want to read a certain genre or author and then read lots of it and then need to take a break. I don't know if you have ever seen the movie Howl's Moving Castle? But the author of that (Dianna Wynne Jones) has written so many books and they are like candy. So easy to read, so many interesting ideas, I love them- although she has quite a few different styles and there are a few of hers which haven't been my taste.

Looking back on past charts I think it is possible you haven't O'd yet so hopefully the timing all works out!

Junie

February 7th, 2015, 03:00 PM

Taytum- Definitely talk to your OBGYN. Yes of course our bodies need some time to regulate but when you are TTC you don't need to waste months waiting for AF. The general rule is if your cycle lasts 90 days to head to the Dr. and they can prescribe Provera and get AF going. Normally that helps to regulate the next cycle and if it doesn't hopefully your OBGYN has some good ideas to help. I conceived my first son on CD41 so I can relate to long cycles but at the same time you need to know your are Oing and do it more than twice a year to get pregnant in the first place :)

I read Divergent but felt like some aspects were so unrealistic. This is my main problem with YA fantasy/sci-fi- the bad science/fuzzy details/etc. I read the first one quite awhile ago but I remember thinking that the population size just did not make sense and with the weird factions that they all would have died out. But I had would have to go back and look at it again to really remember all the things I disliked about it. But sometimes grown up fantasy or sci-fi gets so bogged down with the details that it isn't fun for me anymore. I like to find a nice balance between the two. Awesome that you are finishing up your Master's- exciting!!

VegMom- Hi and welcome!!!I think it is awesome that you were a surrogate! Your sway also sounds great! I also have 2 boys 2 1/2 and almost 5 and swayed for about 5 months before TTC for a girl (LE diet, 60 min cardio 5-6 times a week,no breakfast, no meat, BD every 4 days) and got pregnant in November unfortunately we had a miscarriage at 12 weeks with a D&C on jan 15th and now I am back to TTC. I'm hoping to catch the first egg before AF comes (with my Dr.'s approval ultrasound showed that my lining,etc is all back to normal) but my Husband just left for a week long ski trip so if I don't O soon. I'm out this cycle. At this point I'm not doing much to sway as I just want to get pregnant! I'm skipping breakfast, eating less, have just re-started cardio but I am occasionally eating meat or fish and I'm not counting calories so I am sure there are some days I am going over protein levels or fats.

XX- I really wonder if you are just one of those women who can't get pregnant until they stop nursing? I'm very excited to see what the next cycle brings for you- especially as your charts have been so perfect!

2boysJustOneGirl

February 7th, 2015, 04:32 PM

Who will be testing next week? I really hope Valentine's Day will bring this group a lovely BFP! [emoji175]

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 7th, 2015, 04:33 PM

I am having chocolate regardless;)

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Junie

February 7th, 2015, 04:38 PM

Perfect timing with DH being out of town- DS2 threw up a ton tonight before bed and has already woken 3 times tonight crying. Gosh I hope I get at least a few hrs of sleep. I ordered a menstrual cup today since I think I am out this cycle. At least I will have the cup to try instead of tampons. I've heard such good things and I am actually really excited about it.

blueeyedguys

February 7th, 2015, 05:37 PM

I have a love/hate relationship with my menstrual cup. It was love/love until my last birth, but I had some prolapse issues & when my cycle came back, it was a lot heavier. So now, it works great during the day, except I have to empty 4x/day for the heaviest days, but unless I get it perfect, it doesn't catch most of it at night. It's still awesome when my cycle gets lighter though.

I'm sorry for everyone who is out this cycle. Fingers crossed for everyone waiting that they get a BFP.

2boysJustOneGirl

February 7th, 2015, 05:37 PM

The husbands always leave at the worst times. Hope your little guy feels better soon!

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 7th, 2015, 05:42 PM

I liked my menstrual cup but only when I was home- it's not something you want to be dealing with while at work. I loved it at night. I didn't have a leaking problem so being free from pads at night was heaven.

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TaytumJ

February 7th, 2015, 05:45 PM

Maiden- Lauren Kate writes the Fallen series. It's really good if you like sci-fi/Angels/demons. I just ordered Passion. LA= language arts so I teach reading and writing to 7th and 8th graders. I absolutely love my job - I have the best group of kids! I'm finishing my Master's in Counseling with a specialization in school counseling. So looking at mental health and focusing on mindfulness.

I'll keep everyone updated on my OBGYN appt. I was hoping my body would do it on its own but I'd love to just know that I'm at least O'ing. I'll also keep an eye on my temps the next few days too.

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Junie

February 8th, 2015, 03:07 AM

I had a temp drop this morning. I had to get up a few times with sick DS2 but I did get a good chunk of sleep from midnight to 6ish so I think my temp is still valid. Either it goes way up tomorrow or I have a pity party and drink a bottle of wine with AF LOL.

2boys- I'm a SAHM so changing it shouldn't be an issue. I can understand not wanting to deal with that at work!

blueeyedguys- Have you considered trying a different cup? I've read that some women need to change to a larger or different style (shape/hardness/etc) after pregnancy for exactly the reasons you stated.

Taytum- What you want to do sounds like a great fit for you. I mean you choose and enjoy spending time with middle schoolers :D I loved lit in high school I'm sure you would have been one of my favorite teachers.

I hope everyone's cycles do just what they should and that we get lots and lots of BFPs this Feb!

2boysJustOneGirl

February 8th, 2015, 10:04 AM

Fingers crossed for you Junie!

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sageviolet

February 8th, 2015, 10:18 AM

Maiden, you know so much! Can you tell me more about how sperm capacitate or share a link? I've never heard of that. I know it can take several to break through the egg. Is that what the word "capacitate" means? It looks like you o'ed and we're 2ww buddies! Grace, did you o?

Junie, more *hugs*! You can vent and complain all you want. That's why I'm here, to give and recieve support you just don't get in face to face life. I love this group! I tried the Diva Cup. It was so great at night, the best sleep I've ever had during af, but I had problems with it during the day. I had trouble peeing with it in, like I needed to go but couldn't. Finally after a couple of cycles it fell in the toilet once while I was trying to pee, lol!

Xx, congrats on the weaning and making it so long! I'm sure your cycles will even out now. It sounds like they are. I haven't noticed much difference since we weaned in Dec., but it was so slow and gradual for us that I wouldn't expect to see a big difference. Unless I finally get a bfp! That would be a great difference, lol!

Books: I recently read "The Wind Boy", which is YA. It's old, but it really makes you think. Like there's this parallel world the children can cross into. It's not as good as some more modern books about really tieing up the loose ends and explaining things, but I like a little left to ponder over, and some of the images and scenes were so lovely. Highly recommend! I found it an easy read and very enjoyable, like hard to put down.

Welcome, vegmom! I'm swaying blue. Any advice on what you think swayed blue for you? I had Lyme with my dd, not a sway tactic I recommend, but it lines up with the LE theory.

TaytumJ, hooray for crosshairs! FX you have a good length lp.

My update: I had o pains (rare for me!) yesterday evening and that was the forecasted day for o based on past cycles, so I'm thinking that was it. I don't know what caused the temp rise the other day since I had a good night's sleep. Maybe I released 2 eggs since you've been talking about the hyper o cycles? lol, the power of suggestion? Dd has been sleeping much better this week. I think our eczema tactics are finally working. She still looks terrible, but at least she's no longer waking up several times a night.

Junie

February 8th, 2015, 10:27 AM

Maiden- Your chart looks great. It looks like your timing was spot on now :)

2boys- Thank you! When are you going to test?

Sage- I also think you O'd! Good job on all the BDing:) I hope this is your BFP cycle!

Grace

February 8th, 2015, 10:41 AM

I feel I've made the right call BDing Friday night. Today (Sunday) I've had ovulation signs- super fertile cm and high cp. I go by these physical signs to tell when I o, cause opks don't work for me, I only get faint lines and never true positives, even the month I ended up getting BFP. And I can't temp cause I always wake up at night with the kids. Anyway, knowing my body might be working it's magic right now is so exciting!!! Glad I have you ladies to share these feelings with xoxo

Junie

February 8th, 2015, 10:45 AM

That is awesome Grace!

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 8th, 2015, 12:19 PM

I am only 6-7 dpo. I had some pretty unique "cramps" two days ago and since have had nothing. I also notice a lot of milky cm- I feel very off- but I am crazy analyzer so this all can very well mean nothing!
My last pregnancy I got a BFP at 11dpo. So depending how I feel- I will likely wait til feb 12.

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Grace

February 8th, 2015, 12:21 PM

Keeping my fingers crossed for you 2boys!!

Junie

February 9th, 2015, 07:05 AM

2boys- That all sounds so promising, I can't wait for you to test.

I feel so weird. My boobs hurting has never been a symptom for me for anything- not pregnancy/AF/etc but they've been so uncomfortable for the past week itchy and tingly and just noticeable. Now I've also been having cramping and I just wish I could know what is going on. If this is how my body leads up to AF after a miscarriage I really hope everything is more normal next cycle!

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Grace

February 9th, 2015, 07:44 AM

Junie- I felt the same after my mc. My boobs were sore and sensitive and BF was painful.

Junie

February 9th, 2015, 09:10 AM

How long did it last for you Grace?

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Grace

February 9th, 2015, 09:16 AM

It began three weeks after my mc and lasted almost two weeks. When it stopped pre-AF spotting appeared. I think it has to do something with hormonal imbalance after mc. But it could still be early pregnancy symptoms for you, couldn't it?

Junie

February 9th, 2015, 09:29 AM

Grace that is just my timing! Thanks:) Even when you logically know it must be something it is always nice to hear from someone who had the same experience!

Even with charting it isn't clear if I Od yet- probably not so no way it could be early pregnancy symptoms unfortunately. I'm just going to keep temping and see what happens.

sageviolet

February 9th, 2015, 09:32 AM

Grace, I hear you on the hard to read opks! I've heard of some ladies temping right before bed and being able to see the shift. Personally, I was afraid my temping would be off with bfing dd and getting up to change her at night, not to mention morning when I wake up early and can't fall asleep again, but after watching for awhile, I learned it doesn't affect me. Everyone is different and some ladies are more sensitive, but for me the only thing that really messes it up is if I pee at night. You won't know if you can see a pattern or not unless you try. And you can use your other signs to confirm and see if the temps are right! That's my tactic: I do the opks and check cm as a back-up incase my temp does get messed up.

2boysJustOneGirl

February 9th, 2015, 10:08 AM

Is anybody else due to test this week???

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XXforhubby

February 9th, 2015, 10:21 AM

I'll be stalking 2boys! I am Xing everything and [emoji120]you get a healthy, sticky, pink BFP!![emoji178]

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2boysJustOneGirl

February 9th, 2015, 10:51 AM

I'll be stalking 2boys! I am Xing everything and [emoji120]you get a healthy, sticky, pink BFP!![emoji178]

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Thanks so much Xx[emoji173]️

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TaytumJ

February 9th, 2015, 11:45 AM

I'm excited to see those who are testing! I never knew what a "process" this was until I started down the TTC journey (and my journey isn't even that long!). I just bought some of the cheapie OPKs, hoping that I'll be able to read them or at least get a positive out of them!

I'm starting to lose faith that I actually O'ed. Today would be 7DPO, but I dipped back down about .2 again. :( I have some right ovary sensations though, not really cramps, but weird feeling. I didn't temp yesterday because we drank a little Saturday night so I knew it was pointless to get up and test. Such an emotional roller coaster!

XXforhubby

February 9th, 2015, 12:32 PM

TaytumJ- maybe you are gearing up to O. I am hoping you still have a shot! FX!

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Junie

February 9th, 2015, 01:38 PM

TaytumJ

February 9th, 2015, 04:53 PM

Taytum- drinking doesn't really change my temps... I have to be pretty drunk and then my temps tend to be a smidge higher but normally because I had to get up in the night to pee. So I would still temp if you don't hate temping. Plus even after you O your temps can still do crazy things just check out the chart gallery on FF for some examples :)

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Really? It seems like even if I don't drink too much (I'm a lightweight anyway) I will almost always have a high temp in the low 98s. I'll have to try it again next time (or just give up drinking all together!).

I was also thinking maybe gearing back up for O with the right ovary pains today. They are more sharp where earlier this month it was more like a cramp, if that makes sense? Maybe the cramps earlier in the month were like a pseudo period since I haven't had one yet?? BBs are sore today though, which didn't happen earlier when I thought O. I don't really feel much CM though. So that's why I'm just confused. Ugh. This appointment to my OBGYN cannot come soon enough.

Junie - could it be pregnancy signs instead of AF signs? A girl I know did Clomid this round and she's feeling some AF signs, but doctor said her progesterone was higher than previous cycles, so he gave her an indication that there was a high possibility she was in fact pregnant. FX for you!

2Boys - I hope you get our BFP!! I love seeing them - especially all of you awesome ladies who deserve them!

Junie

February 9th, 2015, 05:25 PM

Taytum- I think especially if you don't have too many charts from previous cycles the best thing to do is just temp every day no matter what and put a note for that day to record any special circumstances like if you woke up a few times or think your temp is off due to drinking. That way you are best able to see overall trends. Also will you bring your chart in to the doc? I think it will be helpful for him or her to see that you aren't Oing and hopefully as soon as they get AF started you will be able to get pregnant right away! But of course I hope it isn't necessary because you are actually about to O right now and catch the eggie :)

Of course I would love to be pregnant but if I am realistic the chances are very very low especially when looking at my temps. But I think the best thing for me will just to be to get out of this limbo and have AF start so that I can move on.

Mars

February 9th, 2015, 07:02 PM

Hey all, I have been away for a few days at the beach. Was lovely :) I am about 6dpo I think. I won't be testing until AF is late though, I've had too many months lately of getting my hopes up and then having them crushed.

I am sooo hungry, I'm thinking about stopping the diet. I need meat and I need to have snacks. I've put on 5kg in the last 8 months :( I have always been the same weight so this is depressing me so much.

blueeyedguys

February 9th, 2015, 07:02 PM

Well, tested again today & BFN again. I'm not really surprised, since I'm only about 10dpo. I sure feel pregnant, though. It might all be in my mind, but I'm peeing more & last night I burst into tears over some missing ebooks....that I haven't done anything about in 2 years. Totally not like me at all.

Sorry for the short posts, I don't get much time to post or read here these days.

EmileeJane

February 9th, 2015, 08:46 PM

Maiden- I feel for you on this journey. I hope you get a BFP asap. I want you to be able to have all of yours kids soon like you hope. I can't stand when bad things happen to good people and when life is unfair. (I wish we could all get what we want right now! ) I'm not sure if you were trying to be funny earlier about the German guy servicing you but it did make me chuckle a bit. Hugs lady! And fingers crossed for BFP.

Sageviolet- my dr is just my ob/gyn. I must admit he is not your average ob. I found him when I was pregnant with DS2, to help me achieve my unmedicated, intervention-free vbac. He is kind of a midwife ob. He is very kind, understanding, knowledgeable. He spends a lot of time with each patient and really gets to know us. So I do have a relationship with him and he knows my medical history. I think he felt good giving me meds because my cycles are on the long side and unpredictable month to month ever since my period returned last year- 32-40 days. I also believe he thinks I'm competent in my knowledge of birth and my cycles. I'm a part of our local ICAN chapter which he supports professionally. Any way I hope hat answered your question. I'm also not sure if I believe everything happens for a reason. I'm leaning toward creating my own destiny with the help of the energy of the universe at the moment:)

So sorry for those of you who had AF show.
Xx- you still BF? Me too. My guy turns 2 in 12 days and I finally have him weaned to 1 time a day for nursing. He transitioned well. I was hoping cutting back would help me conceive. I Honestly didnt Think twice a day was going to matter. My ob didn't either but who knows! 2 of my good friends got pregnant while bfing in mid 30s . That happens all the time.

I am charting and doing opks. On cd12. Took all my Femara cd5-9. I have a follicle scan Wednesday and will let you know. Have definitely had ovary pain from the meds. Hope they're working.
Sorry if my grammar is poor. Typing in between clients.
GL for those waiting to test! Fx!!

TaytumJ

February 9th, 2015, 11:23 PM

Junie - I've been been doing actually really well for the most part waking up no matter what and testing - even on the weekend! But you're right, with no previous cycle they're hard to compare to any thing. I have my temp on FF on my phone so I will definitely be pulling it out! CM today was sticky, but lots of right ovary pain throughout the day as well. Hopefully!

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Junie

February 10th, 2015, 02:43 AM

I got a positive OPK this morning and burst into tears. It is so unfair to have no chance with the timing this cycle.

Mars- A few days at the beach sounds lovely!!! I understand waiting to test :)

blueeyedguys- I bet it is just still too early.

Emilee- Your doctor sounds fantastic! I hope the meds worked!

Taytum- I hope this is still your cycle!

TaytumJ

February 10th, 2015, 07:53 AM

Junie - I'm so sorry to hear this. It makes me so sad. :( so frustrating that there's only a small window of opportunity for us, and when things don't go the way we want them to it's frustrating and disappointing. Hopefully next cycle is your BFP!

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sageviolet

February 10th, 2015, 09:15 AM

Taytum, after o the cm will be dry or sticky. Since having dd, a sore chest is my #1 symptom for knowing when I'm in the 2ww. How is your sway going? I'm also swaying blue. I've been on the diet for so long now, I'm actually starting to enjoy some foods I once thought were yucky, lol.

FF gave me crosshairs today, but I disagree. I'm fairly certain I o'ed on 2/7.

2boys, looking forward to seeing your test results! FX!

blueeyedguys, FX for you, too! lol at the overreaction to the ebooks -- that's the kind of thing I also do when hormonal.

emileejane, sounds like you found a really compassionate dr! And hooray for you making your destiny so positive -- hope it gets even more "positive" soon! Are you doing anything special for the birthday? Dd was so shy at her 2 year party she wouldn't do anything, even though it was just parents and grandparents.

Junie, please go do something special for yourself. Have your nails done, get a massage, watch a favorite movie, have a favorite snack, whatever you can do to give yourself a treat. You deserve it! *hugs*