Frakkin' February 2WW

[Erin514]

It's true that if you BD every four days and it so happens that you end up ovulating on day 4 prior to that attempt, your odds aren't great since the last BD was so long ago and the next BD may be too late to catch the egg. This is why people having trouble conceiving sometimes switch to every 3 days to up their odds. But every 4 days is better odds of a girl since it ensures you only have one attempt in the fertile window. If you have a wonky cycle it can be better than a single attempt since you might miss O.

[kc15880]

we conceived DS2 by bd 5 days before O (failed shettles) so I know anything is possible! But at least by BD every 4 days it definitely helps with strange & long cycles that you may not miss O.

[cosmosis]

Me at 5:00AM
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Good morning ladies! I'm totally loving that everyone is Oing late here :p it's extra support for sure!

So this happened this morning:

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That's a pretty big jump! I think I missed my surge. I test at 8AM, 1PM and 7PM, but it could have happened overnight. My sticks on CD15 seem to be the darkest, last night's OPK was lighter than the night before. >_> I spent alot on OPK's this month lol so I'm gonna keep peeing on those until I run out haha.

I don't have as much EWCM as I'd like. I tested what I found this morning by dropping it in water and it balled up. So it is EWCM.

We got 3 attempts in and it looks like DH wants to have another go this afternoon. It was supposed to be our rest day just in case. Not sure what to do...


@Robin, how is your chart looking today?

@Maxim, any updates?

[Butterflies buttercups]

Can I just say I love that Anna picture ! Brilliant !
It's actually what us women are like ... it's ovulation day hahahaha!


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[Georgia_Peach]

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I have definitely ovulated! FF still hasn't put cross hairs so I played around with it and if I get 2 more days of high temps (which I will) it puts ovulation day to Cd19. I'm thinking it was day 18 bc I usually get a slow right in temps lately.
AF is due in 8 days though so that's what makes me still nervous. I'm going to start progesterone suppositories today to hopefully help that shorter luteal phase if I did by chance conceive this month!
Cosmo... that chart looks great! Do you think it will go up tomorrow as well?!

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[cosmosis]

Can I just say I love that Anna picture ! Brilliant !
It's actually what us women are like ... it's ovulation day hahahaha!


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Yeah! that's what we all look like loooooool


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I have definitely ovulated! FF still hasn't put cross hairs so I played around with it and if I get 2 more days of high temps (which I will) it puts ovulation day to Cd19. I'm thinking it was day 18 bc I usually get a slow right in temps lately.
AF is due in 8 days though so that's what makes me still nervous. I'm going to start progesterone suppositories today to hopefully help that shorter luteal phase if I did by chance conceive this month!
Cosmo... that chart looks great! Do you think it will go up tomorrow as well?!

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That's a very clear rise you have and you were monitored so we know it has happened :) I honestly don't think FF gets it right. From what I have read throughout the years, ovulation happens during the temp rise not the day of the dip. The dip (which not everyone has) is estrogen rising quickly and the rise that follows is progesterone (signaled by the brain, not the corpus luteum) kicking in which then triggers LH to surg. After the egg pops out, progesterone is produced by the corpus luteum and so on.

Here's a good explanation of how it works: Conception and Pregnancy | Progesterone-info (http://www.progesterone-info.com/conception-and-pregnancy.html)

There's truly no real way to pin point ovulation because our bodies vary so much. Are you getting a scan to confirm ovulation? Either way, it is for sure happening for you and you have covered your bases.

I have no idea what direction my temps will go, but I think my coverline is going to be 97.8, that much is clear lol.

[maximbella]

Cosmo and Robin, woohoo! So excited for you!! Fingers crossed, looking forward to seeing what happens in the next two weeks for you!

My chart today. Def haven't ovulated yet, and opk's aren't dark yet. I think all the stressing is delaying O, but that works out ok since DH is gone traveling for work. He did voice concerns last night about getting pregnant with such a big age gap between our kids and them not being that close growing up, especially since he's made it crystal clear there is ZERO shot of going for #4 (so the third would essentially be an only child for 6 years when older kids leave for college). [emoji17]

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[Burakoam]

When is the last time you. B'd maxim? I think with that temp going up you are close and i would get an attempt in soon if you can.

[Georgia_Peach]

Cosmo and Robin, woohoo! So excited for you!! Fingers crossed, looking forward to seeing what happens in the next two weeks for you!

My chart today. Def haven't ovulated yet, and opk's aren't dark yet. I think all the stressing is delaying O, but that works out ok since DH is gone traveling for work. He did voice concerns last night about getting pregnant with such a big age gap between our kids and them not being that close growing up, especially since he's made it crystal clear there is ZERO shot of going for #4 (so the third would essentially be an only child for 6 years when older kids leave for college). [emoji17]

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Our 3rd was born and my middle child was 5. I find there is a big age gap yes. They do play together but not the same way as my older two did and still do. We are adding a 4th to balance it out. I like the idea of pairs. Having the older kids and younger kids. However SO MANY people we tell that we want to add another look at us like we have 2 heads! The norm now is 2 kids so anything after that is considered odd to most. I say whatever! Whatever works for you and your family! Just think of how wonderful it will be to cherish that baby time with her/him. Your older kids are probably more independent so you can focus on baby. At least that's what I found which was nice!
I feel like there is always positives and negitive with this whole family planning stuff! 😊

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[maximbella]

When is the last time you. B'd maxim? I think with that temp going up you are close and i would get an attempt in soon if you can.
I know, aughhh, my DH has been traveling extensively for work so our BD timing isn't great. He comes back tomorrow afternoon, so will BD tomorrow (CD20) for sure. Do you think that will be okay for timing even if I O on CD21? I know that shuttle's doesn't always work, but worried that BD so close to O will be more blue sperm.

Robin, you're in my dream scenario. I'm from a family of 4 kids (2 older kids, a 5 year break and then again my little sister and I). It works out so nicely and now that we are older, the ages don't matter at all. I WISH my husband would be onboard for that, but he's not at all. I know there's no shot of it. Just out of curiosity since you're in the same position age wise with your kids....if you knew your DH would not go for a 4th, would you still be okay with having the 3rd? I'm wondering if I should just leave good enough alone... :(

[Georgia_Peach]

I know, aughhh, my DH has been traveling extensively for work so our BD timing isn't great. He comes back tomorrow afternoon, so will BD tomorrow (CD20) for sure. Do you think that will be okay for timing even if I O on CD21? I know that shuttle's doesn't always work, but worried that BD so close to O will be more blue sperm.

Robin, you're in my dream scenario. I'm from a family of 4 kids (2 older kids, a 5 year break and then again my little sister and I). It works out so nicely and now that we are older, the ages don't matter at all. I WISH my husband would be onboard for that, but he's not at all. I know there's no shot of it. Just out of curiosity since you're in the same position age wise with your kids....if you knew your DH would not go for a 4th, would you still be okay with having the 3rd? I'm wondering if I should just leave good enough alone... :(
For me 100% yes bc I so badly wanted my little girl! I never felt complete. I still don't (hence why I want to meet my fourth baby) but I have come to peace with it being whatever gender. Obviously wed love another girl but I'd be over the moon for another snuggly baby boy as well. I just always wanted that sister bond for my daughter that I never had growing up.
I love having 3 kids! It's awesome. Honestly!!!

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[cosmosis]

I know, aughhh, my DH has been traveling extensively for work so our BD timing isn't great. He comes back tomorrow afternoon, so will BD tomorrow (CD20) for sure. Do you think that will be okay for timing even if I O on CD21? I know that shuttle's doesn't always work, but worried that BD so close to O will be more blue sperm.

Robin, you're in my dream scenario. I'm from a family of 4 kids (2 older kids, a 5 year break and then again my little sister and I). It works out so nicely and now that we are older, the ages don't matter at all. I WISH my husband would be onboard for that, but he's not at all. I know there's no shot of it. Just out of curiosity since you're in the same position age wise with your kids....if you knew your DH would not go for a 4th, would you still be okay with having the 3rd? I'm wondering if I should just leave good enough alone... :(

I would :) You never know what the future holds. If you want to get pregnant, just do it and stop doubting your decision. He may change his mind in the future and he may not. You may have a girl and you may not. You may have a singleton or twins.

The only part you can control is whether or not you want to get pregnant. The rest is not up to you! :)

[maximbella]

You guys are right! I honestly feel like it's the parents that can make a family dynamic what it is...so if you include or exclude the littlest one, they will be made to feel accordingly. My DH just wasn't really into trying for #3, and now that I've convinced him and it didn't happen last month, he's giving me the whole "if it was meant to be it would have happened" speech, which starts to give me doubts.

[Butterflies buttercups]

Just took a test bfn so I'm out for this month as suspected so I've just eaten loads and loads of chocolate to make myself feel better (or sick?!?!!) and back on it tommorow for when AF arrives I suspect
All systems go for month number 2 xx


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[cosmosis]

Just took a test bfn so I'm out for this month as suspected so I've just eaten loads and loads of chocolate to make myself feel better (or sick?!?!!) and back on it tommorow for when AF arrives I suspect
All systems go for month number 2 xx


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I'm sorry to hear :( You should still be in the Feb 2ww though right? How long are your cycles usually?

[cosmosis]

You guys are right! I honestly feel like it's the parents that can make a family dynamic what it is...so if you include or exclude the littlest one, they will be made to feel accordingly. My DH just wasn't really into trying for #3, and now that I've convinced him and it didn't happen last month, he's giving me the whole "if it was meant to be it would have happened" speech, which starts to give me doubts.

He can't give you that speech because there hasn't been real, heartfelt tries on his behalf. If he had given things his all for a year, perhaps he'd be entitled to give that kind of speech. That's what I think anyway.

[cosmosis]

Alright, I'm ready for a BD break lol. We had 4 attemps total for this suspected O. We break tomorrow and start EOD on Friday if there's no +OPK or other signs of O.

I have more comparison pics for those interested

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These are all at 1:00PM and 15 still looks the darkest to me. Today's are all lighter.

These next ones vary in time. I usually take these at 7PM everyday, but if I see the cheapies get darker than usual, I take one of these also. See how the darkest ones are CD14 PM and CD15AM? I think it is very possible that my surg was overnight (this would be 3 times now). I do go pee every night so my urine was surely diluted by 5AM. Looks like I may have documented my surge on its way down.

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We'll know for sure the next few days.

[Butterflies buttercups]

Yes well my attempts next month will again be e4d so starting from 10th Feb and carry on from there really hoping Feb is my month !


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[Burakoam]

Cosmo I think you are right about when your surge was and yes you documented the last of it. Your lines are crazy light it really throws me off lol.. I can confirm I had what felt like a fever the Saturday that I ovulated..my temp was 99.9 and peaked at 100 degrees. It was a strong O lol..I definitely was not sick and at her ultrasound she was a Saturday conceived baby so I am sure that's what it was. That means today is O day for you if it's when your temp jumps that you O, not after

[Burakoam]

Maxim I had DD3 because I NEEDED her.. I wanted her so bad with all my heart. Tried for a boy but a part of me knew she was a girl the moment she was conceived. Then when she was in my arms it all clicked and made sense. If we can give birth to our own soulmate, DD3 is that for me. I believe we have several and my husband is definitely my other half and completes me etc but so does my DD3. She was born to show me girls are not all that bad and make me glad to have daughters. Even though she will be left out of some things with her sisters she will always have you.

[Georgia_Peach]

Maxim I had DD3 because I NEEDED her.. I wanted her so bad with all my heart. Tried for a boy but a part of me knew she was a girl the moment she was conceived. Then when she was in my arms it all clicked and made sense. If we can give birth to our own soulmate, DD3 is that for me. I believe we have several and my husband is definitely my other half and completes me etc but so does my DD3. She was born to show me girls are not all that bad and make me glad to have daughters. Even though she will be left out of some things with her sisters she will always have you.
Awe that's so sweet!! 😍

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[Wantanother2017]

I'm so excited for all you girls jumping in the 2ww with me! I'm starting to feel like I'll be surprised if I'm not pregnant this cycle with the constant cramping and strange pinching feelings I'm having. And waves of nausea, however my boobs aren't sore in the least. [emoji848]
Temps are still up but I'm only 7dpo its way too soon I think to even be speculating. This wait is agonizing.


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[cosmosis]

Cosmo I think you are right about when your surge was and yes you documented the last of it. Your lines are crazy light it really throws me off lol.. I can confirm I had what felt like a fever the Saturday that I ovulated..my temp was 99.9 and peaked at 100 degrees. It was a strong O lol..I definitely was not sick and at her ultrasound she was a Saturday conceived baby so I am sure that's what it was. That means today is O day for you if it's when your temp jumps that you O, not after

I honestly have no idea if I O when my temps rise, its just speculation on my behalf (adding it up with some knowledge I've gathered as well). I always get EWCM the day of the dip and the day of the rise and it dries up shortly after so it kind of confirms that. It wouldn't make sense to start seeing EWCM the day of O and the day after. If I only get EWCM for 2 days, it is logical to think it would be the day before O and teh day of O to maximize chances of conception.

I'm disappointed that my lines are so light, I really wanted to get a smiley LOL. I think its just
because my surg is very short. Had I collected urine in the middle of the night, I'm pretty sure the lines would have been dark. This is assuming things happened the way I think they did haha.

I'm please that my temps are on the higher end this cycle, it means my metabolism is higher, which for me is a miracle. :)

[maximbella]

Even though she will be left out of some things with her sisters she will always have you.

Honestly, Barukoam, that brought tears to my eyes...so sweet and TRUE!

Cosmo, so excited to see what the next few days bring!!!

Wantanother, fingers crossed for you!!

[Wantanother2017]

Cosmo you need to be an infertility specialist in your next life! I'm learning so much from you! [emoji68]🏼*⚕️👩*[emoji538]


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[Erin514]

I'm so excited for all you girls jumping in the 2ww with me! I'm starting to feel like I'll be surprised if I'm not pregnant this cycle with the constant cramping and strange pinching feelings I'm having. And waves of nausea, however my boobs aren't sore in the least. [emoji848]
Temps are still up but I'm only 7dpo its way too soon I think to even be speculating. This wait is agonizing.


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This sounds very promising! I'm excited for an update from you when you can test. :)

[Pbn3]

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[Pbn3]

Ok this is my 4th time trying to post. Tapatalk keeps crashing. Hope this one works or I give up....

Good luck everyone in the 2ww! Hope the next week passes quick and we have an abundance of bfps!

Wantanother I think you're the first testing? Fx for your bfp and hope that it triggers many many more.
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[kc15880]

so Im CD21 today & definitely no signs of ovulation. I now think looking back that I may have ovulated on CD14 (I did have some dull ovulation like cramping but I dismissed it thinking it was a week too early). That would make me 7dpo today. I feel earily calm these past few days (much less snappy with the kids & way moer tolerant than usual) & even though I had added in alcohol & coffee this month, something made me stop 4 days ago. I am probably just mad. No other signs or symptoms at all & it only just occured to me that maybe CD14 was the day. We BD CD10 before hubby went away for work so it is a remote chance, however I did conceive DS2 with the same timing so you never know. I think if my opk stay negative I might test on monday as I have had a BFP at 11dpo before. What do you think? I really think I am truly crazy!

[Pbn3]

Kc what cd did you start using opks? It's certainly possible you've oed and fx for Mondays test!! Funny that you stopped alcohol and caffeine 4 days ago.... intuition even when not paying attention can be a powerful thing, really hope in this case it means a bfp is coming!

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[maximbella]

kc, are you temping? Doesn't hurt to test!!


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[kc15880]

I dont follow my temps as I dont get out of bed at a regular time (usually anywhere between 5-5.30), & I can still get up to my boys at night. I just checked the november 2ww thread & I also felt earily calm the month I got my BFP. I just dont want to get my hopes up too much. I started testing opk on CD14 (the day that I had cramping). It was faint but I thought that was just in preparation for ovulation later that week. I havent ovulated before CD17 for well over a year & I didnt have any other good secondary ovulation signs this month & I normally do without fail - thats why I dont normally start testing until cd14, otherwise it would cost me a fortune in opk. Cross your fingers for me ladies.

[cosmosis]

@Pbn3 , your chart looks promising :) when do you plan to test?

@kc, when did you start testing? Did you note any other symptoms?


AFM, My temps went up again today. I would feel super confident that I had O'd, however, I found a big glob of EWCM this morning. I was NOT in the mood to BD so I just went about my morning. I may give it a go this afternoon, but I really have no interest. My cervix is still high up. So now what? LOL

I had a rough night, which I usually do when I O. I was super hot and cold at the same time and didn't know what to do about it lol. I finally got up at 1AM, put the fan on (mind you, its -9C outside) and got under my duvet and finally fell asleep.

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Thoughts?

[Erin514]

so Im CD21 today & definitely no signs of ovulation. I now think looking back that I may have ovulated on CD14 (I did have some dull ovulation like cramping but I dismissed it thinking it was a week too early). That would make me 7dpo today. I feel earily calm these past few days (much less snappy with the kids & way moer tolerant than usual) & even though I had added in alcohol & coffee this month, something made me stop 4 days ago. I am probably just mad. No other signs or symptoms at all & it only just occured to me that maybe CD14 was the day. We BD CD10 before hubby went away for work so it is a remote chance, however I did conceive DS2 with the same timing so you never know. I think if my opk stay negative I might test on monday as I have had a BFP at 11dpo before. What do you think? I really think I am truly crazy!

If I were you I would test on Monday just in case, but I'm a poas addict, lol. FX!

[Burakoam]

That is a strong O cosmo!! I don't know why you are concerned that your cervix is high.. that's good when you want to O lol.. probably will start to return to normal tonight or tomorrow

For anyone who doesn't know have this super fun chart.. sing to the tune of soft kitty LOL

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[cosmosis]

:giggle: I LOVE this chart! looooool that low and dry looks exactly as it should.

I'm concerned now because its supposed to drop, I want a definite confirmation of O darn it. LOL.

I got some creamy CM a little while ago so perhaps the ewcm was just left over and I'm transitioning. We'll now for sure tomorrow I suppose. :D I'm finding it difficult to believe how clear the thermal shift is! I'm excited!

[cosmosis]

double post.

[Burakoam]

I think you O'd when you were 'hot flashing' cosmo and that's why your cervix hasn't dropped yet.. you just O'd early early this am making this a CD 18 egg ;)

Tonight or tomorrow it will drop. Our cervixes have a tough job.. yours isn't fast enough for you LOL... meanwhile I can't even see mine at this point and I'm pretty bitter. Beh.

[XXforhubby]

I agree with Burakoam- I think you Oed today too. FX so hard for you!!



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[maximbella]

Cosmo, so exciting!! Your chart looks amazing!

Ladies, be honest with me...I'm having some anxiety this morning about all of this. When I finally was able to convince my husband to try for #3, we agreed that we would try for one month and if it happened, it was meant to be. Well, it didn't happen, which is obviously not too surprising given that the odds are against you. I convinced him for one more month and now that I'm about to O, I'm psyching myself out. I dropped off DD at preschool and there was a mom with 3 kids, the youngest which was throwing an absolute temper tantrum getting out of the car and it made me realize how far removed I am from that life at this point. My girls are 5 and almost 7 and so well behaved, easy to take anywhere including nice restaurants, they're sleeping, and life is well...easy! I'm freaking out about going back to that baby stage and not being able to do the day to day things that are so fun with my girls (movies, arts/crafts, etc.). I know it's all stages, but the fact that I'm starting to worry is scaring me. I didn't have this anxiety at any point leading to O, and now that it's around the corner, I'm wavering. Be honest, what does that mean? Is it normal, or is it a sign that this might not be right? I can take the truth, no sugar coating please! Chart below, so O really is imminent... :nails:

[maximbella]

Sorry, here's chart...

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[MrsGoodies]

Maximbella,

I sometimes psyche myself out right before O....i think it is because we 'know' we are in the fertile time and could get pg...

Of course every time I have done this and avoided BD, i was sorry afterwards (i started taking notes of my emotions and would look back)

So what I do now is whenever I panic around O I just tell myself that probability of pg is LOW...even with perfect timing there is 75% chance NOTHING will happen...and usually nothing happens, af shows up and i am disappointed.

Then the whole crazy "i have to ttc NOW/am I crazy for wanting another/should I/shouldn't I BD" cycle starts all over again.

[Wantanother2017]

I think I will be the first to test, I'm nervous because this is THE month I've been dreaming about for over a year. Not to mention being on LE diet since April. [emoji849]

I hope we get many sweet surprises this round! [emoji1374]


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[Wantanother2017]

Kc what was your attempt pattern? And if you ovulated that day we will be testing on the same days! (I'm also about 7dpo)
(Well hell, Ive already started and they are all negative)
But starting yesterday since I woke up I've been continually cramping.....which is weird and noticeable for me because even during AF I don't cramp, just have lower back pain.

So, we shall see....But probably shouldn't even be wasting the cheapie tests yet [emoji53]


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[cosmosis]

Cosmo, so exciting!! Your chart looks amazing!

Ladies, be honest with me...I'm having some anxiety this morning about all of this. When I finally was able to convince my husband to try for #3, we agreed that we would try for one month and if it happened, it was meant to be. Well, it didn't happen, which is obviously not too surprising given that the odds are against you. I convinced him for one more month and now that I'm about to O, I'm psyching myself out. I dropped off DD at preschool and there was a mom with 3 kids, the youngest which was throwing an absolute temper tantrum getting out of the car and it made me realize how far removed I am from that life at this point. My girls are 5 and almost 7 and so well behaved, easy to take anywhere including nice restaurants, they're sleeping, and life is well...easy! I'm freaking out about going back to that baby stage and not being able to do the day to day things that are so fun with my girls (movies, arts/crafts, etc.). I know it's all stages, but the fact that I'm starting to worry is scaring me. I didn't have this anxiety at any point leading to O, and now that it's around the corner, I'm wavering. Be honest, what does that mean? Is it normal, or is it a sign that this might not be right? I can take the truth, no sugar coating please! Chart below, so O really is imminent... :nails:

It sounds like you are not firm on your decision dear. I can relate. My DD is 10 and I LOVE her independence and my peaceful life. Sometimes I've thought about not having anymore children because of the night wakings and all that, however, those stages pass quickly. I can't even remember my struggles with DD, and she was a horrible sleeper lol.

[Burakoam]

Maxim we can give you all sorts of input but at the end of the day you gotta make this choice on your own. If you truly don't want to give up the freedom that having two older kids has given you, don't do it. Even if you yearn for the squishy snuggly baby part, that's only a small part of a tiny baby the rest is slot of work even for an easy infant. Have one more for YOU or don't have another is my opinion. Like I said in the other post. I wanted Angela more than life itself. I knew I could get an awful tempered baby with colic and all sorts of tummy issues (my there two were like that) and I still wanted her Moreno than I wanted to avoid all that. More importantly kids have bad days. The kid you saw having a tantrum may be the best kid that lady actually has, but for some reason today was just bad for them. Going from 2 to 3 wasn't that bad of an adjustment at all. I'm really not maternal at all for the most part so it's a big deal I think to say "it wasn't not that bad"... granted Angela was and still is the easiest sweetest kid.. but does she have tantrums at almost 2?? You better believe it. She's a fire cracker lol

Kids have bad days. I know as awesome and sweet as yours are as you say that even they have to have the occasional bad day. You may be more blind to it because they are yours lol..

Cosmo-- DD1 was 10 when Angela was born and of the 3 so far they have the best bond and she loves helping to care for her. You will LOVE one more because of your oldest I promise that lol

[maximbella]

wantanother, fingers crossed that it happens for you this month!!

Thank you for letting me vent to you. My friends think I'm crazy for trying again and I haven't wanted to talk to them as much as I normally would about this, so thanks for your honest feedback and thoughts. We are going to try this month and see what happens, and then will re-evaluate after that if nothing happens. Thanks for sharing your stories!

[cosmosis]

I think you O'd when you were 'hot flashing' cosmo and that's why your cervix hasn't dropped yet.. you just O'd early early this am making this a CD 18 egg ;).


I agree with Burakoam- I think you Oed today too. FX so hard for you!!




Thank you ladies :) we had one more shot this afternoon, I feel it was overkill but I had to do it so I won't have doubts later. I had a massive migraine yesterday afternoon and I tend to get headaches when I'm having hormone shifts. Otherwise this ovulation has been so mild, no real pain, in fact I had no pain at all from CD16 onwards. Not even mood swings. I'm surprised at how my chart looks.

Funny thing, last night my OPK's were dark (the darkest ones of the whole batch so far) but still negative. I had a 4 hour hold instead of my usual 3, which is probably why I'm guessing. That threw me off, but the ones for 1PM today were lighter and the giant thermal shift can't really be argued lol.

I didn't even think about the fact that I was having hot flashes until you mentioned it, Burakoam lol.

So if I get anything about 97.65 on FF tomorrow, I'm going to get solid crosshairs and O day will be marked as CD16. Should I adjust it manually?


Looks like its time to bust out my "implantation pineapples!

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DH got me 3 and they were ripening on top of the fridge :D yum!

ETA: for those wondering, A pineapple and its core have an enzyme called Bromelain, which is an anti-inflammatory as well as a blood thinner and is said to aid in implantation. There is no real science behind it, although I believe this is part of the reason some women take baby aspirin.

I'm a firm believer in using food as medicine and eating a serving or two of fresh pineapple can't hurt lol :D It's also my excuse to have some fruit, which I rarely do. haha.

[kc15880]

Kc what was your attempt pattern? And if you ovulated that day we will be testing on the same days! (I'm also about 7dpo)
(Well hell, Ive already started and they are all negative)
But starting yesterday since I woke up I've been continually cramping.....which is weird and noticeable for me because even during AF I don't cramp, just have lower back pain.

So, we shall see....But probably shouldn't even be wasting the cheapie tests yet [emoji53]


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Our plan was to have 1 attempt at opk but as hubby was going away for work we BD his last night here just in case O appeared while he was away.

I had cramping 8-11dpo last pregnancy so it could be implantation? Fx for you!

[Pbn3]

@cosmo I will hopefully hold out until Wednesday which will make me 10/11dpo but I say that every cycle then break down at 7/8dpo 😂 I agree with everyone that you've oed what a fantastic shift! I had one similar my last bfp cycle, it just went up and up for 3 days, don't believe I've ever had a shift like it lol but its extremely likely I oed more than one egg as my progesterone result was 170!!!! (The cycle before was 38 or something lol).
I decided to use pineapple post o this cycle as well but I missed yesterday lol so will finish my last section today. My ob doesn't know I'm ttc this cycle and I didn't start the aspirin again as she recommends as I'm really not comfortable taking it. If I get a bfp I'll just tell her its an oopsie. Next cycle I guess I better start taking it again :( I think my mc's stem from poor egg quality rather than implantation issues but I'm no expert lol so I'll do as I'm told....... next cycle 😉

So excited for you both kc & wantanother!! Looking forward to seeing some bfp pics over the next few days 😀

Maxim I was experiencing similar feelings to you earlier last year but for different reasons, only I would start having doubts after o lol. I'd be all for it and so excited up to and including o then when it came close to testing I would start having doubts. Then I'd get a bfn and be so disappointed and upset. Those doubts went away completely every time I got a bfp and my mc's proved to me how much I actually want this. I could never keep trying otherwise, I think you lose a little of yourself and your heart everytime it happens and I've put a cap on how many I'll go thru for that reason.. can I ask what made you decide to try for another? Do you think you'll regret 'not' trying while hubby is on board atm? The newborn stage comes and goes so quick (though it doesn't seem it at the time 😂) but I guess you need to work out for you why you wanted this and whether you could move on with no regrets??? Sorry I'm not much help....

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[XXforhubby]

FX for all of you! I can't wait for you all to get your BFPs!

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[maximbella]

Cosmo, is pineapple good no matter what sway you're doing? I've never heard of that, but will def eat some if it's okay for girl sways!


Maxim I was experiencing similar feelings to you earlier last year but for different reasons, only I would start having doubts after o lol. I'd be all for it and so excited up to and including o then when it came close to testing I would start having doubts. Then I'd get a bfn and be so disappointed and upset. Those doubts went away completely every time I got a bfp and my mc's proved to me how much I actually want this. I could never keep trying otherwise, I think you lose a little of yourself and your heart everytime it happens and I've put a cap on how many I'll go thru for that reason.. can I ask what made you decide to try for another? Do you think you'll regret 'not' trying while hubby is on board atm? The newborn stage comes and goes so quick (though it doesn't seem it at the time 😂) but I guess you need to work out for you why you wanted this and whether you could move on with no regrets??? Sorry I'm not much help....

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Pbn - I literally had the exact same thing last month when I got a BFN. I had some hesitation right after O, which was super early for me while I was on vacation and didn't even have enough time to process what happened. When I got my BFN, I was so incredibly upset, so I know that I want this, but I guess my mind is just also playing "devils advocate" and protecting me by showing me the hard/down side if it just doesn't work out for us. I'm pretty confident this is my last month TTC, so if it doesn't happen, it never will for me... When DD2 was born, I was pretty sure she was my last, but over the years as things have gotten easier and I see friends getting pregnant, I've realized that it would be amazing to add to my family and give my girls a (hopefully!) sister like I had growing up. I think siblings are the best gift that a parent can give and I want that for my DD's. I feel like everyone else is saying that they're doing it for themselves (which I partially am also), but I'm really doing it most for my girls in hopes that they will have one another for life (although I completely recognize and appreciate there are no guarantees).

[Pbn3]

Maxim with the pineapple its supposed to help with implantation but only after o so by that time your egg would be already fertilised and gender decided. From my understanding you have a serve daily for 5 days after o so 1dpo-5dpo or 2-6, 3-7. Its the core that's the important part but its easier to eat with pineapple flesh. I've heard of some people blending/pureeing? just the core to drink but I'm far to lazy for that lol and like pineapple to eat :) Not saying I have this right its just what I follow and I'm also interested to hear how cosmo does hers!

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[Erin514]

You can acquire a taste for straight pineapple core, you just have to be persistent. ;)

[maximbella]

The core meaning literally the hard core in the center?? [emoji848]


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[Pbn3]

Yep lol as I said I prefer to eat my core with the flesh still attached :)

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[Wantanother2017]

I'd be blending that sucker up and mixing in a smoothie if I were you guys! [emoji16]


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[kc15880]

I love pineapple core! Thats the best bit. Maybe we have nicer pineapples in australia :)

[Pbn3]

Kc I'm in Queensland and can sometimes get pineapples grown in Bundaberg and they are the absolute best, core and all!!!!! Wish I could buy direct from there all the time lol.

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[babybells]

I have to say I have never had the pineapple core - always cut around it. Will try in future.

I am from Oz as well :)

[Georgia_Peach]

OK so I just need to vent quickly about temping.
This morning I woke up about an hour earlier then I normally do and my temp was low. I entered it into FF and it took away ovulation detection!
Then I decided to go back to sleep and woke up at regular time for me. My temp was back up to where it was yesterday.
What the heck gives. Like how can it possible change that much in an hour? Am I supposed to be going by the super low temp...bc I'm not lol
Its starting to really frustrate me.

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[maximbella]

Robin, I have something similar today except it's really high. I had a girls night last night and had 2 large glasses of wine, which affected my sleep big time. When I woke up at my regular time, my temp was 97.66 (which I put into my chart). 30 mins later it was 97.99. I freaked out that I somehow O'd overnight, but CB Digi is still giving me a high, not peak. My cheapie opk last night was super close to positive though. What do you guys think? Could I have somehow O'd already? DH had a delayed flight and didn't get home until super late, so we didn't get to BD. [emoji30]

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[kc15880]

and that ladies is why I have never bothered with temps. Unpredictable wake up times, & too many other variables such as weather, clothing & bedding. I just cant see how it is reliable. That & the fact that it would be something else to obsess about. I am trying to avoid overthinking at all costs!

[Georgia_Peach]

and that ladies is why I have never bothered with temps. Unpredictable wake up times, & too many other variables such as weather, clothing & bedding. I just cant see how it is reliable. That & the fact that it would be something else to obsess about. I am trying to avoid overthinking at all costs!
Hahaha so true!!

Maxim....I don't know if I think you've o'd yet. I honestly think you'll get a peak. It's just throwing you off i think! So frustrating!!! Aaaarrrggghh

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[maximbella]

and that ladies is why I have never bothered with temps. Unpredictable wake up times, & too many other variables such as weather, clothing & bedding. I just cant see how it is reliable. That & the fact that it would be something else to obsess about. I am trying to avoid overthinking at all costs!

KC - honestly, I'm starting to think the same. I used to love temping b/c I was pretty good about waking up at the same exact time and didn't have any other factors affecting accuracy. These days with 2 kids and just life in general, it's gotten so much harder! That said, my type-A personality will always make me temp no matter what because "I need to know" lol, but you're right, it's totally just another thing to overthink and stress about....

Does anyone know if you can O without the digi picking it up? I'm afraid my temp rise is not from the wine and lack of sleep but rather somehow O'ing overnight?

[foxtrotmama]

I don't temp anymore because I used to get super obsessive about it. Especially when I was ttc DS2, I got really weird because I was still up at night with DS1 so my charts didn't make sense and I was coming up with crazy formulas to adjust for night wakings and sleeping in and there were color coded spreadsheets... Oh man I can't imagine why I have boys, lol.

[Wantanother2017]

Same here with the temps, that's why I trust the OPKs so much more and monitoring CM. The temps are too finicky.


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[Burakoam]

Maxim I think you are going to O tonight or tomorrow. That's why you still have the high reading and the temp going up. Your peak I imagine will be tonight if you test! Make sure you DTD! DD3 was an O day conception.. your sway is good and just like me you have proven to have two other girls so you are good for pink and this will up your chances of conception.

[XXforhubby]

When swaying, anything can happen to ovulation! In one of my pregnancies, my surge happened overnight, another one in the evening, and the most recent 2, my surge was mid morning.

With my DS3, I never got a positive opk or anything that looked remotely positive. I thought that cycle was a bust but it ended with a BFP!

I would BD E4D all through out your cycle if you are swaying pink, or BD EOD through out your cycle if you are swaying blue and not getting a positive opk. This ensures that you will be in with good attempts for when ovulation does happen.

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[Burakoam]

if you were due for your E4D last night though you really should DTD tonight. Especially since you think it's your last month trying if you really want this you can't be afraid of sex on O day because there are plenty of women who still get pink on O day. Make sure you let me know if your opk goes solid tonight maxim I am really cheering for you :)

[cosmosis]

Good morning ladies! I had a rough morning and argued with DH... I hate morning arguments.

Anyway, about pineapples, the meat also has the enzyme so I highly recommend that both the meat and core are ingested :)

As far as temping, the reason it can become unreliable for some is because the environment isn't controlled properly. When we take basal body temperature, we have to be adamant that circumstances are as close to the same as they can be every day. This means bedtime is at the same time and wake time is also at the same time, give or take 30 minutes. Use the same blankets and similar clothing. It's basically a study that you are doing on your health so all data has to be consistent in order to get a clear picture.

Basal body temperature changes as the night progresses and as morning comes, it correlates with your circadian rhythm. The lowest temps will be between midnight and 3AM and the slowly begin to rise thereafter.

Oral temps are the absolute worst in my experience. You want to take vaginal or rectal for a smooth chart. Your chart as a whole can tell you alot about your health and your overall fertility, but you have to let the patterns build up. If temps are dipping often after Ovulation, there is a good chance of you having low progesterone, add this up with other symptoms and you can gain clarity. If your overall temps are consistently low and less than 97.6 degrees averaged over a minimum of 3 days, it is a red flag that your thyroid is sluggish (yes, even if your doctor tells you that all numbers are fine).

I actually have my clients take their BBT while I work with them for a period of 12 weeks because it lets me in on alot of info that isn't always obvious.

@Robin, did you confirm O with a scan?

AFM, I got my crosshairs today, although my temp dipped. Last night was colder than most so far and even then I got up to turn on the fan lol. We'll see what tomorrow brings. FF marked my O day as CD16, I'll let a few more days pass and decide if I'm gonna adjust it manually because other symptoms don't match up to CD16.

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[Georgia_Peach]

Good morning ladies! I had a rough morning and argued with DH... I hate morning arguments.

Anyway, about pineapples, the meat also has the enzyme so I highly recommend that both the meat and core are ingested :)

As far as temping, the reason it can become unreliable for some is because the environment isn't controlled properly. When we take basal body temperature, we have to be adamant that circumstances are as close to the same as they can be every day. This means bedtime is at the same time and wake time is also at the same time, give or take 30 minutes. Use the same blankets and similar clothing. It's basically a study that you are doing on your health so all data has to be consistent in order to get a clear picture.

Basal body temperature changes as the night progresses and as morning comes, it correlates with your circadian rhythm. The lowest temps will be between midnight and 3AM and the slowly begin to rise thereafter.

Oral temps are the absolute worst in my experience. You want to take vaginal or rectal for a smooth chart. Your chart as a whole can tell you alot about your health and your overall fertility, but you have to let the patterns build up. If temps are dipping often after Ovulation, there is a good chance of you having low progesterone, add this up with other symptoms and you can gain clarity. If your overall temps are consistently low and less than 97.6 degrees averaged over a minimum of 3 days, it is a red flag that your thyroid is sluggish (yes, even if your doctor tells you that all numbers are fine).

I actually have my clients take their BBT while I work with them for a period of 12 weeks because it lets me in on alot of info that isn't always obvious.

@Robin, did you confirm O with a scan?

AFM, I got my crosshairs today, although my temp dipped. Last night was colder than most so far and even then I got up to turn on the fan lol. We'll see what tomorrow brings. FF marked my O day as CD16, I'll let a few more days pass and decide if I'm gonna adjust it manually because other symptoms don't match up to CD16.

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No they told me once that caught my serge it would be up to 36 hrs after that I ovulate. I'm doing progesterone suppositories now which are messy to say the least. I don't think I can do the bbt vaginally this month unfortunately. However I feel confident low progesterone is not my cause to that lower temp thank goodness!
I'm thinking I am 3 or 4 dpo today.

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[Shannshaff]

That is a strong O cosmo!! I don't know why you are concerned that your cervix is high.. that's good when you want to O lol.. probably will start to return to normal tonight or tomorrow

For anyone who doesn't know have this super fun chart.. sing to the tune of soft kitty LOL

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That is TOTALLY AWESOME!!! Love love love it. :) :)

[maximbella]

Cosmo, sorry to hear. I can relate...all this ttc has been emotionally hard on me and in turn on my relationship. I'm sorry! [emoji17]

Okay wait, ladies...why do you think I'm Oing tonight or tomorrow? I thought you O 12-48 hours after positive opk? Omg I still have so much to learn...


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[cosmosis]

@robin, Can you supplement your suppositories with topical cream? I would be concerned of how much you are not absorbing because alot comes out lol. I'm glad you are supplementing though, it gives good peace of mind for sure. :)

[Georgia_Peach]

@robin, Can you supplement your suppositories with topical cream? I would be concerned of how much you are not absorbing because alot comes out lol. I'm glad you are supplementing though, it gives good peace of mind for sure. :)
I wish bc I hate these! No they told me this was the best for absorption 😐

Maxim.. not sure.. bc I have ovulated around 24+ hrs after positive opk lately. My RE was the one who told me it would be around 36 hrs after confirmation of LH surge via blood work (this was on Sunday). My opk's were positive 15 hrs after that blood work (Monday morning). But FF didn't show ovulation until Tuesday!

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[cosmosis]

:suprise: I found last night's test where I left it last night and look (last test):

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what.is.this? I have not fully dried up either, my CM is lotiony and stretchy, but not like ewcm. I took my test at 8PM last night (CD18) instead of 7 and I left it there because it wasn't darkening. I didn't take the CBD because I wanted to save them to play during the 2ww (LOL!).

I did not test this morning or afternoon either. I was planning to test every night from this point forth. I'm a complete grump today and have zero sex drive and I got a pimple, so I know progesterone has kicked in. Could this have been leftover LH from my surg? Or is this a long surg and I've been peeing too early? My CBD test the night of CD17 was darker than the rest also and it was a longer hold that usual.

Oh geez.

Thoughts?

[XXforhubby]

I think you Oed on CD18, cosmosis. It can take a few days for CM to dry up. The important thing is you are seeing less fertile CM. It is also not uncommon to have two days of positive opks. I always get two days worth.

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[maximbella]

Cosmo can you post your chart?


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[cosmosis]

I think you Oed on CD18, cosmosis. It can take a few days for CM to dry up. The important thing is you are seeing less fertile CM. It is also not uncommon to have two days of positive opks. I always get two days worth.

FX and GL to you!!

CD18 in the early morning? I think the same, like we discussed yesterday. I'm slightly confused because this is the darkest OPK I have and it also happens to be the one I took latest in the evening. I'm wondering if I should have been taking them late all along and if it's possible that I had a long surg. I marked CD15 as +OPK because that was previously my darkest one, which also got darker in the evening.


Cosmo can you post your chart?


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Yep, here it is:
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[maximbella]

Eeeek, looks awesome cosmo!

[Shannshaff]

Unless monitored daily by u/s there is no real way to be sure of ovulation. We are just guestimating here. :) I am a weird one and I temp everyday, but I don't follow the "rules." I get up and go to the bathroom and temp while I am peeing. I could have been awake for a few minutes or an hour. It is really had to say as my 18mo is still nursing and is in bed with us most of the time. I don't use a BBT thermometer, just a regular one. But for me it works, I can still see a clear thermal shift in most of my charts. So it is one less thing for me to stress about. I take my temp, record it, and forget about it. I have had far too many charts to analyze it all anymore. I have had wonderful charts be BFN and crazy wonky charts be my BFP.

Robin - sorry the supps are so messy for you. I pray that you don't have to use them long.

Cosmos - lots of great information. Thank you. Looking at everything on your chart, I would put O on CD17. But that is just my hunch. Either way, you have your bases covered. Now the wait begins.

Max - for your question of having another, it is soley up to you and DH, but I know from experience, time can change your thoughts. I thought I would be done with 3 kids. And look at me now going for #5. Life just happens and things change. Just search your heart and you will know the truth. I honestly feel that you will be Oing soon, but you are WAY stressed about it. There is nothing you can do about it but just let it happen. That is why DH and I are going for E4D. I don't have to stress over a +OPK and all that. Way more fun too. Just a thought.

AFM - I am sitting here at 7dpo with all of these crazy symptoms, but I am sure it is nothing. I have had a weird taste in my mouth for the past few days that just will not go away. I have been nauseous. And my milk supply has changed. So of course I tested and it was BFN. And honestly I do not want to get my BFP yet. I have been too lax on the diet and everything because DH threw my hip out again. I am really happy that my LP is improving though! It was all of 4 days last "cycle". At least I seem to be regulating a bit.

[cosmosis]

I'm having O pains today loooool. My cervix came down a bit, which is good.The opening and closing part is tough for me because I haven't given birth vaginally and my cervix didn't dilate past 3. I can tell when its super closed right before ans after AF, but in between it feels pretty much the same. We'll see what happens.

@Shann, I agree. It is all speculation and the exact time of egg release is something we cannot be 100% sure of.

[maximbella]

Cosmo, I'm also having O pains. And seeing more CM today. I took another cheapie opk and it was dark, but not positive. My mother in law arrives tonight and is staying with us until Tuesday. Let's see how the stress of having her further delays my O! She's a whole other story.... [emoji12]


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[maximbella]

Sorry if tmi ladies, but before BD tonight...what is best position for girl?


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[Shannshaff]

Girl on top or missionary is what I have heard. With a shallow release. Not sure if it really matters tbh.

[Shannshaff]

Oh add another "symptom", I am weepy at everything the past 2 days. I am not much of a crier. But dang, I am ready to cry at anything right now.

[cosmosis]

@maxim , I'm not sure that positions matter. The deeper penetration positions are suggested for boy, but how deep your partner gets depends on him, not the position. Shallow release can cause an accidental pull out imo lol.

@shann, I hop this is it for you! <3

[Erin514]

and that ladies is why I have never bothered with temps. Unpredictable wake up times, & too many other variables such as weather, clothing & bedding. I just cant see how it is reliable. That & the fact that it would be something else to obsess about. I am trying to avoid overthinking at all costs!

Agreed! The stress would end me.

[Burakoam]

Maxim your test will be positive later in the evening/night is my bet. Some women ovulate very quickly after their surge. It's within 72 hours is what mine have been telling me.. that means literally any time after you have a solid smiley or positive opk the egg can pop. Any. Time.

Lots of women average 24-48 hours, and some are closer to the 72 HR mark. I ovulate after 48 hrs for sure closer to 72.. everyone is different :)

Cosmo I don't think yours are O pains. I think you are feeling corpus Luteum pain! I had it awful with DD3 the entire 2ww and first 2 months of pregnancy.. the bigger the egg the bigger the CL left behind :)

Maxim because I am certain you will have a solid smiley tonight I do believe yours are O pains and you are going to ovulate sooner rather than later in the ovulation window. 24 hrs or less.

[Burakoam]

As for positions.. DD1 was a missionary baby, DD2 was girl on top..DD3 was doggy and DD4 was girl on top..

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Good to know Burakoam [emoji6]! DS1 was doggy style, DS2 was missionary, and DS3 was woman on top. This baby was conceived with my laying on my stomach.



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[cosmosis]

How do you know from what BD session you conceived? We BD'd 5 times in my fertile window and used 3 different positions so I have no idea which position the winner sperm came from LOL. Assuming we scored this cycle. :D

[XXforhubby]

We are creatures of habits and typically use one position per cycle [emoji6]



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[cosmosis]

Cosmo I don't think yours are O pains. I think you are feeling corpus Luteum pain! I had it awful with DD3 the entire 2ww and first 2 months of pregnancy.. the bigger the egg the bigger the CL left behind :)



Oh really? I didn't even consider this lol. I'm getting them on both sides :D I'm just so happy that my left ovary made some noise this cycle! lol

[cosmosis]

I just took my evening OPK and its blazing positive, I've never seen a test get so dark so quickly LOL...I also got my smiley on the CBD. Cervix is high again, but CM is now creamy. Why didn't I get results like this before my thermal shift?

I also took this test at 8:00PM today. I haven't had much to drink today or yesterday. Is it possible that I had been taking my tests too early or my urine was too diluted or both?

I'll be back with pics

[Pbn3]

Cosmo will you add another attempt? Not sure what's going on with you temp wise but if your opk is darker again and blazing pos I would have another attempt and expect to o within the next 24 hours... Do you often have a fallback rise or is this new? I'm not sure how temps lok if the body gears up to o then doesn't. Your temps for the next two days will hopefully shed some light.....

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[maximbella]

Cosmo will you add another attempt? Not sure what's going on with you temp wise but if your opk is darker again and blazing pos I would have another attempt and expect to o within the next 24 hours... Do you often have a fallback rise or is this new? I'm not sure how temps lok if the body gears up to o then doesn't. Your temps for the next two days will hopefully shed some light.....

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I was thinking the same... I always thought you O AFTER your positive opk?


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[cosmosis]

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I don't typically have a fallback rise, but I also don't typically have such a pronounced shift. So this makes 2 positives in a row.

*sigh* too much BD sways pink doesn't it? u_u

the creamy CM doesn't make sense here at all.

[maximbella]

Ok so sounds like positions don't matter... I think I've done all I can for my sway at this point. Can I get one more piece of advice? If I BD tonight and then get positive opk tomorrow, should I skip BD tomorrow night?


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[Pbn3]

Was your first pos opk actually pos though? From memory it was the darkest but still not quite positive.... sorry if I'm wrong but saves me going back a heap of pages lol. As for the creamy cm yep I would consider that strange too however that's probably the least reliable no matter how by the book it has always seemed to be, I used to swear by my cm until I had a couple cycles that didn't line up. I'd be much more inclined to trust the opk but that's just my opinion and I'm no expert. Diluted urine can affect opks for sure however when you're at your peak (surge) you should still see a pos even if its only 'just' positive as in line colour

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[maximbella]

Cosmo, that's positive alright! ;)

[Pbn3]

Maxim yes I would skip if you get a pos opk tomorrow as you'll likely o the day after so that will give you a single attempt at 2-o

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[Pbn3]

Actually maxim this is your last cycle trying right?? In that case I would add another attempt at pos opk.

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[maximbella]

Actually maxim this is your last cycle trying right?? In that case I would add another attempt at pos opk.

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Yes, last cycle...but we really want a girl! I know timing doesn't sway (I think atomic as told me at least 100 times now lol), so want to try to get only one attempt in fertile window. With both DD's I BD 0-3 and 0-2. But I also wasn't taking opk's so no clue how long after a positive I actually O. I haven't had a true positive yet, just close to positive.


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[Pbn3]

Then I would wait to bd until pos opk in that case.... did you get a true pos opk last cycle? And what cd was it? What cd are you now?

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[maximbella]

Then I would wait to bd until pos opk in that case.... did you get a true pos opk last cycle? And what cd was it? What cd are you now?

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I was literally just getting on to ask if I should just wait? :). Last cycle I got a true positive on cd14-16, but didn't end up Oing until cd21. Today is cd21 for me. Most cycles I o between cd17-25. So should I just wait??


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[Pbn3]

Yep I would especially if you're seeing your opks darken. Either that or switch to e4d and ditch the opks so you don't have to stress on it. When did you bd last?

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[maximbella]

Yep I would especially if you're seeing your opks darken. Either that or switch to e4d and ditch the opks so you don't have to stress on it. When did you bd last?

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Last Saturday [emoji17] my DH travels for work Sunday - Friday, so it's typically once or twice a week. Randomly enough, he's here all next week, so that works out well in case my O is further delayed. I'm going to upload a pic of opk's. Do you think it's ok to BD tonight in case I don't get a positive tomorrow? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/4f59235fd35e2de50ddb2d644d060573.jpg


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[maximbella]

Those are the cheapies. CB digi still says high, not peak.


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[Pbn3]

Well I loved using the cb dual with flashing and solid smileys so if it hasn't gone solid then I'd wait and bd once it does. Did you use the cb digi last cycle?

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[Pbn3]

I would keep using the cheapies too though

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[maximbella]

Yes, I did use it but ended up with BFN despite great BD timing. Thanks so much for your help!


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[Burakoam]

Cosmo Its possible your body geared up, didnt, and is about to shoot up again and pop it out. I still think you already ovulated BUT lets see what another attempt does for you and also what your temp looks like in the next 2-3 days!

maxim its only 8 pm here...lol i still think your peak is going to be overnight.

ETA: came back to add this lol

Cosmo keep in mind that this baby DD4 was conceived on boy diet, boy excersise, boy EVERYTHING...EXCEPT the DAMN delayed ovulation i was not expecting. It gave me one attempt in fertile window which is heavily pink friendly. You are worse of to not DTD and ovulate now and only have one attempt in your fertile window so far..trust me on that...

[MiaMelb]

Cosmo keep in mind that this baby DD4 was conceived on boy diet, boy excersise, boy EVERYTHING...EXCEPT the DAMN delayed ovulation i was not expecting. It gave me one attempt in fertile window which is heavily pink friendly. You are worse of to not DTD and ovulate now and only have one attempt in your fertile window so far..trust me on that...

Burakoam, I'm sure you've probably talked about this somewhere else when it happened but can't find it. Just curious what happened with your O and delayed O in the month you were ttc that resulted in just 1 attempt in the fertile window?

[cosmosis]

Good morning ladies :)

My cervix is very low today, like close to my vag opening low, LOL. It's very firm and closed. Positive OPK this morning and temps are up today and above cover line. I've never had such a long surg. My OPK's are always negative LOL.

http://i63.tinypic.com/23m6l92.jpg

We BD'd again last night for good measure but we're really done now. Like...I hope all the sperm provided lives 7 days done. haha!

@Maxim, did you BD??

@Robin, how are your temps?

@Erin, did you O?

[Georgia_Peach]

I might stop temping bc i think the progesterone are making them higher than normal?
Look at today's reading. It's the highest I've ever seen. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/891f2ea136b0a7cafea20ee4be1e6195.jpg

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[maximbella]

Cosmo, that's great!! Hoping that you are now in the 2ww! Chart looks excellent so far!

Robin, yours looks great also! Fingers crossed!

Ladies, need your help and advice again....really thought I'd have the solid smiley this morning on digi, but it was another flashing smiley. I'm starting to worry that I actually already O'd and my opk's didn't pick it up somehow. We didn't BD last night because I was afraid to get the solid smiley today and then feel like I had to BD again, which would be twice in the fertile window. Here are my opk's and my chart. Any thoughts?? I do have a rise in temps for last two days, but honestly haven't slept well both nights, up a lot, and had a lot to drink the night before to calm down, so not sure if they could be an o rise or due to lack of sleep/drinking. What do you think?

Cheapies on top, started testing twice a day. Last one on cheapies is from last night at 10pm with a 2 hour hold. The digits are in reverse order, with this mornings on top.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/ed28a6296344fe92e833d69dd1dc88ce.jpg

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[cosmosis]

Was your first pos opk actually pos though? From memory it was the darkest but still not quite positive.... sorry if I'm wrong but saves me going back a heap of pages lol. As for the creamy cm yep I would consider that strange too however that's probably the least reliable no matter how by the book it has always seemed to be, I used to swear by my cm until I had a couple cycles that didn't line up. I'd be much more inclined to trust the opk but that's just my opinion and I'm no expert. Diluted urine can affect opks for sure however when you're at your peak (surge) you should still see a pos even if its only 'just' positive as in line colour

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Compared to these, no it was not positive, but I have found my temps to be quite reliable and I had a huge, clear dip on CD16 followed by two big rises on CD17 and 18.

I screwed everything up when I didn't test on CD18 until night time, and even then, I didn't see the test until the afternoon of CD19. The night of CD17, the test looked darker than what I had before (still not positive) but because of my shift, I didn't really pay any mind to it.

So, I'm willing to bet my surg started on the night of CD17 and I O'd CD18 and what I'm seeing now is just the LH still in my system.


Cosmo Its possible your body geared up, didnt, and is about to shoot up again and pop it out. I still think you already ovulated BUT lets see what another attempt does for you and also what your temp looks like in the next 2-3 days!

Cosmo keep in mind that this baby DD4 was conceived on boy diet, boy excersise, boy EVERYTHING...EXCEPT the DAMN delayed ovulation i was not expecting. It gave me one attempt in fertile window which is heavily pink friendly. You are worse of to not DTD and ovulate now and only have one attempt in your fertile window so far..trust me on that...

Thank you for this dear, you are super supportive <3 we did go ahead and BD last night lol, I was gonna jump on DH this morning but I knew it wouldn't be possible. I just hope all our other attempts help.

You know, it IS possible that I released two eggs with two large temp shifts and now 3 days of +OPK. Even last cycle, when I had delayed O, I didn't get a positive OPK like this.


I might stop temping bc i think the progesterone are making them higher than normal?
Look at today's reading. It's the highest I've ever seen. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/891f2ea136b0a7cafea20ee4be1e6195.jpg

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I think you should keep temping. Yes progesterone will make temps higher, but you still need to keep an eye out for a drastic drop. That's what I'd do :)

[cosmosis]

Cosmo, that's great!! Hoping that you are now in the 2ww! Chart looks excellent so far!

Robin, yours looks great also! Fingers crossed!

Ladies, need your help and advice again....really thought I'd have the solid smiley this morning on digi, but it was another flashing smiley. I'm starting to worry that I actually already O'd and my opk's didn't pick it up somehow. We didn't BD last night because I was afraid to get the solid smiley today and then feel like I had to BD again, which would be twice in the fertile window. Here are my opk's and my chart. Any thoughts?? I do have a rise in temps for last two days, but honestly haven't slept well both nights, up a lot, and had a lot to drink the night before to calm down, so not sure if they could be an o rise or due to lack of sleep/drinking. What do you think?

Cheapies on top, started testing twice a day. Last one on cheapies is from last night at 10pm with a 2 hour hold. The digits are in reverse order, with this mornings on top.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/ed28a6296344fe92e833d69dd1dc88ce.jpg

Here's my chart:
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From your temps, it looks like you O'd yesterday during that rise, but we don't know what time that egg was released, so if I were you, I'd jump on DH NOW. if you O tomorrow or today, that is still 1 attempt.

[maximbella]

From your temps, it looks like you O'd yesterday during that rise, but we don't know what time that egg was released, so if I were you, I'd jump on DH NOW. if you O tomorrow or today, that is still 1 attempt.

Augh even without the solid smiley?? I'm going to test with cheapie at 11 eastern to see how it is. I'm freaking that I'll get the solid tomorrow. [emoji19]


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[cosmosis]

Even if you do, it is one attempt. That's what you are looking for to sway pink. Do you still have EWCM?

[maximbella]

Thanks, cosmo...I agree. I also posted an update to my original question on the threads to atomic, curious to see what she thinks also. AUGH....so my life! ;)

[Wantanother2017]

So I used a Wondfo pregnancy strip this morning and it has the slightest little edge of coloring where the second line should be. Could be a fluke. But my DH saw it too. I'll test again in the morning and see what happens! [emoji1374]
I'm 9dpo today.


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[maximbella]

wantanother, that's fantastic!!! Can't wait to see pics! :)

[cosmosis]

So I used a Wondfo pregnancy strip this morning and it has the slightest little edge of coloring where the second line should be. Could be a fluke. But my DH saw it too. I'll test again in the morning and see what happens! [emoji1374]
I'm 9dpo today.


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PICSSSSSS!!

[Burakoam]

Cosmo twins run in your family!? I didn't know that LOL yes I suppose it's possible as close together as it all was you did release two eggs if twins are in your family!!

To answer the question of what happened to get only one attempt in my fertile window.. I had a positive OPK and solid smiley on a Friday night.. we DTD Friday morning, Saturday and Sunday.. hubby needed a break after that and I figured there was enough boys up there at that point I was good. So went about life and imagine my surprise when on Monday I use the restroom and there is a big glob of EWCM.. okay no biggie maybe it's just left over. I even convince myself it could be left over sperm from DTD Sunday night. Manage to jump hubby Tuesday morning and call it good again... but wake up at midnight wednsday morning with horrible cramps and O pain. I pee on a digital but I already know the answer...boom solid smiley. More importantly the lines are super beyond dark I had never seen them so dark. Spend the day wiping away huge amounts of EWCM.. had never had so much (thanks blue diet!) Can't get DH to have sex wednsday, panic..Manage to jump DH Thursday AM. Lines were SO dark I was certain I'd pop the egg that day. DH gets a break and I go into the 2WW.. I try to DTD Saturday morning (this is relevant in a minute watch) as I just really wanted to but DH feels his job is done and wants a longer break. Okay fine.. Saturday evening I am certain I'm catching a cold as I feel feverish. My temp is up 99.9, then 100.1, yep def getting a cold I feel yucky.. feel feverish through Sunday afternoon when I take a nap and wake up perfectly healthy wondering wtf just happened. THAT is weird... forward another week. Boom positive pregnancy test. YAY right? Go in for ultrasound a week or two later and they can't see baby.. can't even find a corpus luteum (what!?) has me come back in a week. This time there is baby! Heartbeat! "Well that's why we didn't see her your dates were way off!" "....what?" "You said you ovulated on a Thursday but she measures as a Saturday baby"

......yep. He had the audacity to even call her a she when I was hoping for a boy because of My messed up dates and what made me angrier is he ended up right..Positive OPK 12 am wednsday. Didn't ovulate until Saturday morning. I'd say the doctor and ultrasound were full of shit but my temp shift was huge on Saturday that I felt it and felt sick from it even. The only sperm alive by o time Saturday was the Thursday sperm. One attempt in fertile window because of delayed O and then a late O on top of that :( I will always wonder what would have happened if I had gotten my wish Saturday morning... but oh well..

And there's the full story.

[maximbella]

Ladies, one more quick question - cervix is still high and I'm having cramps. Is there hope that I haven't O'd yet? I'm planning to BD as SOON as DH gets home....

[cosmosis]

Cosmo twins run in your family!? I didn't know that LOL yes I suppose it's possible as close together as it all was you did release two eggs if twins are in your family!!

Yes, my mom's paternal grandmother has twins and my mom's sister has twins also, fraternal. There's more twins scattered, all fraternal, but I have a huge family and I don't even speak to most of them lol so I don't know on which side. I was under the impression twins skip a generation. I did take cassava for two months, but I'm not holding my breath.

I just want the +OPK's to stop for now lol.

[maximbella]

cosmo, twins are my dream! How fun!!!

[Wantanother2017]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170204/33f3e9868683049dc1668b7f4838b723.jpg


Am I insane? I put an opk next to it so I could even see where the line was supposed to be.


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[cosmosis]

I see something! :D let's see if it gets darker tomorrow.

[cosmosis]

Ladies, one more quick question - cervix is still high and I'm having cramps. Is there hope that I haven't O'd yet? I'm planning to BD as SOON as DH gets home....

Maybe, maybe not. You should still BD until you are certain you have O'd.

[Butterflies buttercups]

I'm 4 days late now but have taken a test everyday and they are negative :(


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[cosmosis]

I'm 4 days late now but have taken a test everyday and they are negative :(


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did you confirm O? if so, when was that?

[cosmosis]

So I played around with my chart and added 3 more temps, took out the CD15 +OPK and left the +OPK's for CD's 18,19 and 20. My O day was moved to CD19. If I remove all OPK tests, my O day is left at CD16.

I still think it was CD17 or 18 and quite possibly both days.

I think I may be ovulating before LH gets to my urine. This could only be confirmed with scans and bloodwork. It looks like my OPK's are gonna start to get negative now. This morning it was the darkest ever, but I went all night without going to the toilet (because I cut out almost all fluid for the sake of testing!lol). My mid morning stick was lighter and my noon stick is even lighter.

This was a very strong O for sure. Lot's of LH to get rid of lol.

[maximbella]

I think I may be ovulating before LH gets to my urine.

Oh no Cosmo, I didn't know that was possible!! I wonder if that happened to me and I actually O'd on CD20 before my temp rise? I took another cheapie about an hour ago and it was just as dark as last nights, so def my darkest yet.


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[cosmosis]

You should only go based on your first positive OPK if you are using them. LH leaves everyone's system at different rates and it also matters how much LH was released. If you have a big surg, your body will take a couple of days to get rid of it.

Women who are constantly monitored via scans and blood work have reported confirmed ovulation before their OPK showed positive, but not by days (for example, doctor confirmed O via scan in the morning, the woman gets a positive OPK that evening). It varies for all women.

Otherwise, it is a guessing game and this is why Atomic suggests keeping a pattern, to cover bases. For pink swayers she suggests every 4 days and an optional attempt at +OPK.

In addition, I have read information that suggests Ovulation takes place during the thermal shift, not the dip as it is widely believed. I think of it like a bow and arrow. You have to pull back first, which is where you see temp dips (estrogen), aim and release (LH and Progesterone), which is where you see the thermal shift. This makes the most logical sense to me.

TCOYF says that your last day of EWCM is your peak, so that's also something else to keep an eye out for.

All of these tools like BBT charting, OPK's and FAM should be used together. The more tools you use, the more of a clear picture you will get AFTER ovulation happens. In other words, they are best used to confirm ovulation, not predict it. LH surg can happen many times if your body is gearing up but doesn't O, or it can happen just once.

[Butterflies buttercups]

I don't think it was eve properly confirmed no but Day 31 on a 28 day cycle


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[cosmosis]

I don't think it was eve properly confirmed no but Day 31 on a 28 day cycle


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well, you'd need to know when you ovulated and also the usual length of your LP in order to assume you are late. It may be too early for both AF and BFP :)

[Butterflies buttercups]

I know but I just don't have that information so il just keep waiting x


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[MrsGoodies]

How do you ladies mark late evning/early AM BD on FF?

If i bd at 2am on evening of cd 12/morning cd 13, should i put 12PM or 13AM into FF?

Also,

I am on cd 15. My last bd was (above) and still no OPK...but i am getting close. Either tonite or tomorrow i'm guessing.

Should i try to get another bd in asap for TTC Girl??...or will the cd 12/13 early morning sperm hold out? (Fwiw, i have NEVER conceived with a cut off of 4 days and 3 days only 1x...and i had tons of ewcm then...now....NOTHING...just dampness/creamy...i wonder how sperm can even survive in my V) :(

[XXforhubby]

MrsG- I always mark the BDing the day it fell on. In your case, since it was on the am of CD13 I would mark it for then. If it would've been before 12am, I would've marked it on CD12.



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[emoji166]EDD 9/30/2017 [emoji1317]for pink[emoji166]
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My Ovulation Chart (https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/579920)

[XXforhubby]

I would also have an attempt when you get your positive opk.

FX so hard for you!!



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[emoji166]EDD 9/30/2017 [emoji1317]for pink[emoji166]
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[Wantanother2017]

FX for everyone! It's getting so close! I want so badly to go out to eat tonight and order everything I've been craving since April! Please be our month! [emoji1374][emoji1374][emoji1374][emoji1374]


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[kc15880]

AF arrived yesterday & it is my first proper AF since the miscarriage. Last month I only got extremely light brown spotting for a few days (which I assumed was AF), I think I may have O on CD14 which has never happened for me before & AF arrived CD23. Im going to make sure that I start OPK much earlier this time. FX that you all have a better month than me.

[foxtrotmama]

AF is here. :( I really hope this is our month, my diet is starting to really slip now.

[Pbn3]

I'm sorry kc and foxtrotmama :(

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[Butterflies buttercups]

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We can both see a faint line this morning we think I'm 10 PO

Can anyone else?!


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[Pbn3]

I can definitely see that buttercups 😀😀 congratulations!!! 🎉🎉🎉

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[Pbn3]

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Am I insane? I put an opk next to it so I could even see where the line was supposed to be.


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That looks to be something there wantanother!!! Cant wait for tomorrows test!!!

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[Butterflies buttercups]

Really omg me and hubby think we're going mad ! I've tested negative everyday with clear blue so went and bought FR
And this happened ! I'll keep testing ! Now the nerves are kicking in I ate so bad around ovulation week :((((
Hoping my 12 weeks and lots of exercise swings it for me!!! [emoji175]


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[Butterflies buttercups]

Looks like you're the same as me wantanother!
Keep testing and posting pics ! I'm going to buy some more tests ! Xx


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[MiaMelb]

Cosmo twins run in your family!? I didn't know that LOL yes I suppose it's possible as close together as it all was you did release two eggs if twins are in your family!!

To answer the question of what happened to get only one attempt in my fertile window.. I had a positive OPK and solid smiley on a Friday night.. we DTD Friday morning, Saturday and Sunday.. hubby needed a break after that and I figured there was enough boys up there at that point I was good. So went about life and imagine my surprise when on Monday I use the restroom and there is a big glob of EWCM.. okay no biggie maybe it's just left over. I even convince myself it could be left over sperm from DTD Sunday night. Manage to jump hubby Tuesday morning and call it good again... but wake up at midnight wednsday morning with horrible cramps and O pain. I pee on a digital but I already know the answer...boom solid smiley. More importantly the lines are super beyond dark I had never seen them so dark. Spend the day wiping away huge amounts of EWCM.. had never had so much (thanks blue diet!) Can't get DH to have sex wednsday, panic..Manage to jump DH Thursday AM. Lines were SO dark I was certain I'd pop the egg that day. DH gets a break and I go into the 2WW.. I try to DTD Saturday morning (this is relevant in a minute watch) as I just really wanted to but DH feels his job is done and wants a longer break. Okay fine.. Saturday evening I am certain I'm catching a cold as I feel feverish. My temp is up 99.9, then 100.1, yep def getting a cold I feel yucky.. feel feverish through Sunday afternoon when I take a nap and wake up perfectly healthy wondering wtf just happened. THAT is weird... forward another week. Boom positive pregnancy test. YAY right? Go in for ultrasound a week or two later and they can't see baby.. can't even find a corpus luteum (what!?) has me come back in a week. This time there is baby! Heartbeat! "Well that's why we didn't see her your dates were way off!" "....what?" "You said you ovulated on a Thursday but she measures as a Saturday baby"

......yep. He had the audacity to even call her a she when I was hoping for a boy because of My messed up dates and what made me angrier is he ended up right..Positive OPK 12 am wednsday. Didn't ovulate until Saturday morning. I'd say the doctor and ultrasound were full of shit but my temp shift was huge on Saturday that I felt it and felt sick from it even. The only sperm alive by o time Saturday was the Thursday sperm. One attempt in fertile window because of delayed O and then a late O on top of that :( I will always wonder what would have happened if I had gotten my wish Saturday morning... but oh well..

And there's the full story.

Thank you for your honesy account Burakoam, I can only imagine the rollercoaster of emotions over those weeks. It's so hard when we try desperately to control things only to be reminded that some things and some people are just out of our control. I am very much struggling to definatively decide about baby #3 for fear it will be another girl. I'm not sure why the idea scares me given that I absolutely adore the two I already have. I think maybe it's other people's opinions. I think in some ways I'm concerned that others will perceive our having a third as meaning our girls aren't enough. It's one thing for us to want to add a boy to our family, it's another thing entirely for others to think we're in some ways disappointed in our girls. What has been your experience in having DD3 and now pregnant with DD4?

[cosmosis]

Good Morning ladies :) My thermometer was set to celcius and I'm uncertain of just how accurate a conversion would be. I tried for 40 minutes to switch it back (it had ONE button for everything ), during which time my temp dropped drastically because the house was super cold. I'll have to skip temps for today. *sigh*

@Robin, are you still temping? How are you feeling?
@Maxim, did you BD?
@wantanother do you have a new pic?
@Butterflies, do you have any cheapies to test on just to pass the time? lol

[Erin514]

Buttercups and wantanother, this is so exciting. Fingers crossed you two are starting the February tests off right with two BFPs!

[Erin514]

You should only go based on your first positive OPK if you are using them. LH leaves everyone's system at different rates and it also matters how much LH was released. If you have a big surg, your body will take a couple of days to get rid of it.

Women who are constantly monitored via scans and blood work have reported confirmed ovulation before their OPK showed positive, but not by days (for example, doctor confirmed O via scan in the morning, the woman gets a positive OPK that evening). It varies for all women.

Otherwise, it is a guessing game and this is why Atomic suggests keeping a pattern, to cover bases. For pink swayers she suggests every 4 days and an optional attempt at +OPK.

In addition, I have read information that suggests Ovulation takes place during the thermal shift, not the dip as it is widely believed. I think of it like a bow and arrow. You have to pull back first, which is where you see temp dips (estrogen), aim and release (LH and Progesterone), which is where you see the thermal shift. This makes the most logical sense to me.

TCOYF says that your last day of EWCM is your peak, so that's also something else to keep an eye out for.

All of these tools like BBT charting, OPK's and FAM should be used together. The more tools you use, the more of a clear picture you will get AFTER ovulation happens. In other words, they are best used to confirm ovulation, not predict it. LH surg can happen many times if your body is gearing up but doesn't O, or it can happen just once.

Hmm... This is a very helpful post. I ended up having multiple days of positive OPKs as well (which never happens for me), but only managed to BD at the first and didn't again until six days later. If it's the first OPK you're supposed to go by then maybe I still have a shot. When will you test, Cosmo?

[maximbella]

Ladies, so sorry about AF! Fingers crossed for a great next month.

Butterflies, I definitely see it!!! Woohoo congrats!

Mia, I am in the same shoes with #3 except heavily swaying girl again. Best of luck in what you decide.

AFM, we did manage to BD last night (finally augh!) and temp was down again today, and yet again another "high" reading in digi. Will I ever get a peak? This is such a rollercoaster. What do you think?

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[cosmosis]

Hmm... This is a very helpful post. I ended up having multiple days of positive OPKs as well (which never happens for me), but only managed to BD at the first and didn't again until six days later. If it's the first OPK you're supposed to go by then maybe I still have a shot. When will you test, Cosmo?

That sounds like a good one attempt, Erin :) how many days of +OPK did you have? I haven't decided when I'm gonna test because I'm not 100% on how many DPO I am. I could be 5 or 2 DPO lol.

[cosmosis]

@Maxim, that looks like a difficult one and we can't really tell anything until we get more data. That's the nature of BBT charts. If today's temp is a fallback rise, you will need an extra couple of days to get crosshairs on ff.

Your monitor should give you low,high,peak,high,low in that order. So you can get several days of low, several days of high a couple of peak days (although usually its just one) and then back down to high and then low again.

You can jump from low to high, never get a peak reading and ovulate and you'll see high again and eventually low.

Glad you got a BD session in there :)

[Georgia_Peach]

Awee yay! Congrats butterflies!

Sorry AF arrived guys. That is never super fun. Maybe have some chocolate like I usually do!

Maxim glad you got another BD in. I think you needed it just in case!

My temp dipped slightly today but not much. It's still the highest it's ever been. It's 100% due to the progesterone. I am 5 or 6 dpo today. Af is due on Thursday. I'm not sure when I'll start testing bc most people have 14 luteal days but I only have 10-11 lately.

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[cosmosis]

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We can both see a faint line this morning we think I'm 10 PO

Can anyone else?!


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I *think* I see something! Sorry I missed this somehow.

[cosmosis]

Awee yay! Congrats butterflies!

Sorry AF arrived guys. That is never super fun. Maybe have some chocolate like I usually do!

Maxim glad you got another BD in. I think you needed it just in case!

My temp dipped slightly today but not much. It's still the highest it's ever been. It's 100% due to the progesterone. I am 5 or 6 dpo today. Af is due on Thursday. I'm not sure when I'll start testing bc most people have 14 luteal days but I only have 10-11 lately.

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I would start testing at 11dpo since that's your norm :)

[Georgia_Peach]

I would start testing at 11dpo since that's your norm :)
I always get a positive test with frer at 10dpo... and that's usually a CLEAR line. I'm thinking 8 to 9 dpo this time. Bc I am impatient. Lol

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[Wantanother2017]

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We can both see a faint line this morning we think I'm 10 PO

Can anyone else?!


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I can!


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[Wantanother2017]

What do these look like to you guys? The wondfo still looks the same to me, but the other looks more positive. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170205/d13a3a188dbe3e45eceff2517e26bd4c.jpg


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[Georgia_Peach]

What do these look like to you guys? The wondfo still looks the same to me, but the other looks more positive. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170205/d13a3a188dbe3e45eceff2517e26bd4c.jpg


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Ommmgggg yeeeesss!!! Definitely positive!!! Congrats!! 😁

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[cosmosis]

I see a line on both! :D

[Wantanother2017]

Really?! I think I'm in denial!


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[maximbella]

Wantanother, yes!!!! Are we already 2 people??


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[Butterflies buttercups]

I've just been and bought 3 more tests (this is costing me a fortune lol!) I'm keep the CB digital one for Wednesday but I have some Superdrug Cheapies to test with today il post some pics . I really hope I am although I've had AF cramps the last few days !

Wantanother2017 that's a bfp !! Congratulations !! Xxx


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[Butterflies buttercups]

Wantanother2017 when is ur af due?
I'm normally everyday 28 days but this cycle has thrown me with my late O so just decided to test when I got two cd31 & 32(today) and have a faint line
I'll keep testing and hope the lines get darker !


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[XXforhubby]

Huge congrats Butterfly and Wantanother!

Woohoo!



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[Butterflies buttercups]

The line seems more darker here ?
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[maximbella]

Yes, absolutely!! Ladies that's amazing, what a great start....


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[Wantanother2017]

AF is due in 5 days


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[Burakoam]

Thank you for your honesy account Burakoam, I can only imagine the rollercoaster of emotions over those weeks. It's so hard when we try desperately to control things only to be reminded that some things and some people are just out of our control. I am very much struggling to definatively decide about baby #3 for fear it will be another girl. I'm not sure why the idea scares me given that I absolutely adore the two I already have. I think maybe it's other people's opinions. I think in some ways I'm concerned that others will perceive our having a third as meaning our girls aren't enough. It's one thing for us to want to add a boy to our family, it's another thing entirely for others to think we're in some ways disappointed in our girls. What has been your experience in having DD3 and now pregnant with DD4?

For me it has been a rollercoaster but let me reassure you with this. I had the same thoughts, same fears that you did. They were compounded by the fact that with DD3 my ex who actually left me because i couldnt give him a son apparently according to him he was on his second baby with his new wife...and he was having his first son. I called bullshit to everyone and everything around me, but i was already so in love with DD3 and i had wanted her so bad girl or boy though i wanted so badly to give my husband a son just to 'prove' i could i guess..so i got over it pretty fast. With DD4 however i went all out with the sway (only thing i feel i could have done more of myself was the weight lifting) and it was a much harder pill to swallow when i got the gender results back early on. But see i obviously have my own mental health issues relating to gender disappointment...its not that my girls arent amazing, and i have found that from this site i have alot of peoples dream family even..its all in MY head. I had to go back into therapy this pregnancy and on an anti depressant to survive my feelings but now that things have 'normalized' i dont care anymore about what my ex has or my friends or anyone for that matter. I have 4 daughters, each awesome in their own way.

It was a long road but i do believe if you want another baby bad enough, even with a strong preference for a boy, if it was another girl, you would eventually find a way to cope with your feelings. Everyone has a different healing time with gender disappointment so i dont know if it would be as speedy as my own recovery (which i admit is still in progress just enough..i do still have my really bad days)

Age caps between our babies are different so i dont know about 2-2-2....However i have VERY high hopes that my two youngest will be super close being 18 months apart..my brothers are 18 months apart and have been best friends their entire lives and always did everything together (even the really bad stuff LOL..my poor parents) so i want to say even with 3 girls your babies would all grow up happy and healthy and just fine :) Those mama bear instincts will eventually overpower your feelings of judgement and sadness at what others may think and you will be able to stare them directly in the eyes and say "thanks for your opinion but all 3 of my kids are great just as they are, and us having 3 or even 4 kids does not mean that any of the others werent 'enough"

[Burakoam]

Wantanother AND butterfly..you are both DEFINITELY pregnant at this point. CONGRATULATIONS!

[MrsGoodies]

Finally got a +opk today at 11 am (8am was almost +)....we last bd yesterday afternoon.

Dh coming down with something so probably wont be anymore bd.

I could have sworn I was Oing yesterday but now all of my o pain is gone, cp high, never had any ew this cycle just watery and today none as well.

[maximbella]

Hi ladies! Is this last test below a positive, or not quite yet? This was at 11:30am today.

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[XXforhubby]

I'm on my phone so let's see what other people think too. I would say that is a positive.



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I would say positive x


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[Georgia_Peach]

That looks like the day before I got my positive.. but it's hard to tell on screen. Maybe it is positive!! What's the CBD saying?

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[maximbella]

I'm on fence also, it's for sure he darkest I've had so far, but CBD still says high (from fmu, haven't tested with it again, should I?). What should I do with BD? We did last night, should we wait until tomorrow am to see what happens to be safe? Trying for just once in fertile window.


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[Georgia_Peach]

I'm on fence also, it's for sure he darkest I've had so far, but CBD still says high (from fmu, haven't tested with it again, should I?). What should I do with BD? We did last night, should we wait until tomorrow am to see what happens to be safe? Trying for just once in fertile window.


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I think wait then until tomorow if your trying for a girl. See if you get peak?

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[maximbella]

I think wait then until tomorow if your trying for a girl. See if you get peak?

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And if it turns to peak on digi and again positive on cheapie, should we BD again tomorrow night?


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[Georgia_Peach]

And if it turns to peak on digi and again positive on cheapie, should we BD again tomorrow night?


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Argh I don't know?. So hard to decide! Like I know your swaying hard for a little girl... but it's your only month trying right? What did atomic say?

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[Pbn3]

Maxim I meant to mention earlier that alcohol can cause false high temps so if you drank more than usual the night before those two high temps then that could explain the spike. Also your opk looks so close to positive. I could almost bet you get a solid smiley tonight or tomorrow morning whenever you test...

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[Pbn3]

I'm on fence also, it's for sure he darkest I've had so far, but CBD still says high (from fmu, haven't tested with it again, should I?). What should I do with BD? We did last night, should we wait until tomorrow am to see what happens to be safe? Trying for just once in fertile window.


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If you get a peak reading tomorrow then it's likely you'll o the following day so that will give you a 3-o attempt which is certainly possible to conceive from but at the same time less likely too.... I would wait and see how your opks look like tomorrow and make a decision from there.

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[maximbella]

Thanks ladies! I haven't asked atomic yet but will right now, good call! Both of my DD's were conceived on CD25, would be so nice if I had the same this time! Should I test on digi again tonight? I wasn't sure if you could use it outside of fmu?!


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[Georgia_Peach]

Thanks ladies! I haven't asked atomic yet but will right now, good call! Both of my DD's were conceived on CD25, would be so nice if I had the same this time! Should I test on digi again tonight? I wasn't sure if you could use it outside of fmu?!


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I was taking tests 2x a day after high reading yes. 😊

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[Pbn3]

Maxim you can test again on the digis once you get a flashing smiley. Have you got many test sticks left though?

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[maximbella]

I was taking tests 2x a day after high reading yes. [emoji4]

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Robin, one the same CB advanced digi? The instructions says once a day with FMU, so I got nervous to test and get a false solid smile since then you can't test again for 48 hours.


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[Pbn3]

Maxim that happened to me a couple times. I would test in the evening and get a solid smiley and therefore no more testing but I still wouldn't o until the 2 days later so I went back to fmu only

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[XXforhubby]

Maxim, I would only use FMU with the advanced CBD. If you're using the CBD (one that only gives a smiley), you can use anytime of the day.





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[Georgia_Peach]

Robin, one the same CB advanced digi? The instructions says once a day with FMU, so I got nervous to test and get a false solid smile since then you can't test again for 48 hours.


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Yes! Mine I read and it said that it's BEST to use once a day with FMU until you get a high reading. Then you can test 2 a day. However if your trying to save those expensive sticks I'm pretty sure if it's o you should be able to catch it tomorrow too!

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[Georgia_Peach]

Yes! Mine I read and it said that it's BEST to use once a day with FMU until you get a high reading. Then you can test 2 a day. However if your trying to save those expensive sticks I'm pretty sure if it's o you should be able to catch it tomorrow too!

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Also I didn't get my solid smiley until fmu so maybe you should only test once a day! I just was being over the top lol

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[cosmosis]

Hi ladies! Is this last test below a positive, or not quite yet? This was at 11:30am today.

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No, I don't think this is a positive. Probably tomorrow though or later today. These get very dark when they are positive. You already have one attempt to cover you just in case though.

[Burakoam]

You can also used advanced any time of day. Got two daughters that way, albeit unintentionally. I think if you are aiming for pink with one attempt in fertile window its best to do it early on in your surge. early as possible. and in my case, dont know about yours, i was always surging starting at night.

[Burakoam]

For those of you testing TWICE a day or more lets put this to rest please im dying here. When did you get your FIRST solid smiley? day or night?

[Pbn3]

Burakoam for me it would vary however I found I wouldn't o until the day after what would have been a solid smiley with fmu whether it came at night or not hence I went back to fmu only :)

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[maximbella]

So barukaom, you tested with the CB digi twice a day??


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[maximbella]

CB advanced digi, sorry...


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[Burakoam]

Robin, one the same CB advanced digi? The instructions says once a day with FMU, so I got nervous to test and get a false solid smile since then you can't test again for 48 hours.


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where the hell are you reading that you can get a false solid? lol

Yes. I only ever used the advanced. I wanted the best chance possible. though its funny as i never got the peak readings when it counted anyhow.

[Burakoam]

Burakoam for me it would vary however I found I wouldn't o until the day after what would have been a solid smiley with fmu whether it came at night or not hence I went back to fmu only :)

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Right..thats why they say 24-36 hours on the box from first solid to o day as a general rule..but thats what you are telling me happened lol..example..10PM solid smiley, 12 hours later you would get the FMU smiley you are describing, and then another 24 hours from that you are at the 36 hr marker for egg release so that makes sense... for anyone swaying blue and wanting the best shot at blue you would definitely want to DTD as close to the ovulation mark as possible, a few times even per the blue sway plan..but for pink when you want 1 attempt in fertile window it would be better to do it early on the night before...unless you have a DH who you know for a fact their swimmers die fast and easy and so they wont make it to that 72 hr mark.

[Pbn3]

Maxim forgive me if I'm wrong but I'm getting the sense that this whole opk thing is becoming abit overwhelming for you. Fact is, everyone is different and what happens for one person wont happen for another. IMO I think you should stick to e4d and decide whether or not to add an attempt at pos opk which seriously looks to be tomorrow or next day. Obsessing over opks will not be beneficial and you really want your best shot. I hope your able to take a step back and relax a bit.

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[Burakoam]

Some would say the amount of worry and stress over the timing being perfect may in fact sway blue for you Maxim, which is exactly what you are trying to avoid by making everything so perfect. I believe you said you were really relaxed about conceiving with the other 2 and thats another good reason they are probably girls. You have had your doubts really adding up this cycle, then trying to make everything perfect, so while im not attempting to offend i do want to say to ME its looking at this point you are only okay with a 3rd if its a girl. that absolutely no way can you even picture having a boy at this point and you are stressing out hardcore trying to avoid it..atomic, pink, all of them will say if you cannot go into a situation accepting you may get the opposite outcome, dont do it. It leads to alot of heartache and pain that is otherwise avoided. I think what you need to do is talk with your hubby and convince him to just BD unprotected when you guys feel like it. Lots of babies are conceived and born that way..just relaxing and truly putting your husbands words in his own mouth by actually "letting be what will be" so to speak. If he really believes that then he should have no problems taking the stress off of you conceiving in a limited window period of time and just instead saying "we will do it this way and if you havent conceived at this age we will let it go" since its an age thing for the two of you. if that age is 36 as an example (i believe you said you are 35) then put the exact month..your birthday month even if thats what it takes and gives you enough time.

[cosmosis]

For those of you testing TWICE a day or more lets put this to rest please im dying here. When did you get your FIRST solid smiley? day or night?

Had I tested with a CBD CD18 at night, I would have gotten it then for sure. My wondfo was positive but I didn't know lol . The next evening I took both and got the smiley.

[cosmosis]

Well, I hope that my relaxed approach this cycle doesn't sway pink for me LOL! Seriously, last cycle was so incredibly stressful that for this cycle I just let it go, placed a plan into action and followed my intuition as things came along. :bluecheer::bluecheer::bluecheer:

[Burakoam]

Cosmo you have the kind of O this month that is supposed to be really really really good for blue. Those Strong O's..lol..i dont think you have anything to worry about and its probably the relax stance you took that caused your egg to finally go BOOM lol

[netti02]

Hi Ladies 🤗

Im jumping back in the game in potential preparedness if dh jumps on board ttc again.

Ive started going to the gym most days however im not necessarily following the recommended pink sway of exercising i just really want to get fit as GD last year really took a toll on my mental and emotional wellbeing and my weight ballooned out of control.

Im certainly shaking up my eating style however more lifestyle friendly.

Im hoping that the combination of those will have some help in swaying pink.

I feel my ovulation patterns have been strange since the birth of my ds with strange mid cycle and random spotting. I felt like O pain was random throughout my cycle and i started thinking about my weight and pcos. Cycle length has been 30 days or so and quite regular.

All tests i had were clear and i had an iron infusion as that was low.

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[Pbn3]

Hi netti!! Long time no see!! I'm still here *sigh but hopefully I'll get a sticky bfp this cycle of next.... good luck with everything lovely to see you again xx

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[netti02]

Hi pbn!!!

Hope you are well. Fingers and everything else crossed for you xx

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[Georgia_Peach]

Welcome back netti!!
I know what you mean about this whole ttc and girl sway taking a toll on you mentally and physically. Love your idea about exercising for the right reasons and not stressing about 1 hr of cardio 6x a week.

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[fiveboys]

Welcome back netti.. well ive just had an operation and cant exercise for 6 weeks �� so im worrying about that but as we will have our first attempt hopefully around 26th feb i cant do anything about it and i dont want to skip this month. I got a spin bike so i could probably do a bit on there at a slow pace but im sure i read if you cant do the 60 minutes that it will sway boy so i may just concentrate hard on the diet and try not to stress about it..arrrghhhhh x

[netti02]

Hi fiveboys and robin

Fiveboys- goodluck. Im thinking about getting a cross trainer just to add extra exercise time at home.

Me and hubby have been reading labels and trying to make better food choices etc. Im finding hard because im such a sweet tooth. I want to make some bite sized snacks that do the trick when i get the time 😂

This will be our 6th child if we decide to try agian. I already have 5 boys (i know i should give up but im not a quitter 😂)

Hubby is also going to the gym so we are completely doing 180s in terms of where our health is concerned.

Lets hope these changes make the difference.

Im hoping to try in March I would love a baby in my birthday month. Not sure about the heat though 😣




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[Pbn3]

Right..thats why they say 24-36 hours on the box from first solid to o day as a general rule..but thats what you are telling me happened lol..example..10PM solid smiley, 12 hours later you would get the FMU smiley you are describing, and then another 24 hours from that you are at the 36 hr marker for egg release so that makes sense... for anyone swaying blue and wanting the best shot at blue you would definitely want to DTD as close to the ovulation mark as possible, a few times even per the blue sway plan..but for pink when you want 1 attempt in fertile window it would be better to do it early on the night before...unless you have a DH who you know for a fact their swimmers die fast and easy and so they wont make it to that 72 hr mark.
I guess it depends on what you believe sways, that sounds abit shettles to me.... I don't believe xy sperm swim any faster or slower than xx sperm therefore getting an attempt in day before o has always been my preference and the only way I've gotten bfps. I've seen many successful pink sways with one attempt 1-o plus I've seen boys conceived with 3-o+ cut off...
I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, I was just trying to relay what worked for me which may or may not work for someone else :) I'm not even swaying anymore though, just trying to get and stay pregant....

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[Shannshaff]

Congrats Wantanother and Buttercups!!! Woo Hoo!!!

AF arrived for me yesterday, so my LP was only 7 days :( Hope it regulates soon. I am having a rough time on the diet, but I am really trying. Did not do well today with the superbowl party foods. :( Back at it tomorrow.

Cosmo - Your cycle is definitely weird. Sorry you are having so many uncertainties.

Max - honestly, I think you are stressing WAY too much about your O and it is affecting your cycle.

Everyone else - good luck in your attempts or waiting.

[Butterflies buttercups]

Well it says 'not pregnant' on my cb digital this
Morning :(


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[fiveboys]

How many days past o are you hun x

[Butterflies buttercups]

11 xx


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[fiveboys]

Awww thats gutting hun...are you going to keep doing 3 or 4 day attempts throughout..i think thats what im going to do once af shows this month.. is this your first month of trying? X

[Butterflies buttercups]

Just done two more Cheapies and bfn

Such a shame :(
I might go and buy a frer just to be sure
Yes first month and already doing e4d as wanted to get pg before March really x


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[Pbn3]

Buttercups frers can apparently pick up as little as 6.5mui (tests vary in sensitivity, some wont pick up until 12mui which is still super sensitive) giving you a pos hpt. Alot of others wont until 25mui. You only just got a faint line on an frer yesterday so if you can get some more frers to test with. Also hcg doubles approx every 48 hours so by tomorrows test, you should see the line abit better compared to your 11dpo bfp. Look forward to seeing tomorrows test and hope it puts your mind at ease

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[Butterflies buttercups]

Pbn3 thank u for your advice ! I dropped the kids off went to boots and bought two more frer's and this was my result! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170206/9de8966841b59e539be2fe3411ea343d.jpg

It's pinker in real life too!


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[Butterflies buttercups]

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[Pbn3]

Whoop whoop!!!! Can EASILY see that!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

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[Butterflies buttercups]

I will wait for those magical words on a CB digital until I join the October birth club!


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[Georgia_Peach]

Well it says 'not pregnant' on my cb digital this
Morning :(


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Maybe it's bc it's too early to test with digital.
I just saw the frer though!! Yay!!!

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[Georgia_Peach]

My temp wasan't as high this morning unfortunately. I am 6dpo today but cd25. Af is due in 4 days. I am feeling discouraged today

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[XXforhubby]

Butterfly- I bet you will get a positive on a CBD when you are 13dpo!



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My Ovulation Chart (https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/579920)

[Babygirlquest]

Congrats buttercups! Remember the digitals are much less sensitive xxx

[Butterflies buttercups]

Yes I really wasn't aware of that but thinking about it I couldn't get a pos with me ds2 until I was late by 4 days so I suppose you're all right!
I'll stick with the FRERs for now !
Thank u ladies - praying for a pink sticky bean [emoji175] xxx


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[cosmosis]

Good morning everyone :) Not much to report here, except temps are above cover line and I've been crampy since last night :D

I've been doing LOTS of reading and I've come to the conclusion that OPK's are not as reliable as we may think they are (not surprising of course). What shows up in urine is dependent on how a person metabolizes a hormone, kidney health and liver health. So yes, LH can show up in urine after ovulation, during ovulation and before ovulation. The best way to know for sure is bloodwork.

This is why temping, FAM and OPK's should be used in conjunction; it gives a much more clear picture of what's going on. For me, if I had been relying on OPK's alone, I would have missed my egg lol. Based on the data I've gathered the last 3 months, I seem to excrete LH when or after I O, not before or with enough of a notice to get swimmers ready.

Yeah... data collection fascinates me. What can I say. SO how is everyone? Sorry to hear about AF visiting some of you :(

@Maxim, what's the latest with you?
@Robin, you are awfully quiet lol
@butterfly, congrats hun! I can totally see that line on the frer.

I have nothing left to obsess over for about 5 more days... LOL. I'll start testing then. >_>

[cosmosis]

Questions:

How sensitive are wondfo's compared to frers? I've read that canadian frers are not that sensitive.... thoughts? I have 25 wondfo's :D

[Burakoam]

It's not that I think x or Y are any faster than the other it's that what I have seen on these boards is if you are pink friendly 1 attempt early on as ovulation is coming is good enough for pink and those who are blue friendly can get pregnant with boys just as easily that way. But maxim already has two daughters and I think she is far more worried about timing her attempt perfectly to prevent blue than she should be. I had 3 daughters and in the HE diet and swaying and conceived with a 2 day cut off and still had a girl so it's something to be said that if you already hang heavily one way or the other things probably won't work for you like they do blue or pink heavy moms. My opinion only.

Love you pbn3 so don't feel like you are being combative.. I didn't take it that way with you at all :)

Anyone testing with a CLear blue digital pregnancy test the regular digital that simply say pregnant or not pregnant require 25-50 at least to get a positive result. FRER can get as little as 6 according to some and I can personally confirm they pick up levels of 10 or higher for sure. Clear blue digital wth weeks estimator also picks up levels of 10 or higher and those are the clear blue digitals you see people getting early positives with :)

[maximbella]

Hi ladies, good morning!

Butterfly, I can definitely see that! Amazing, congrats!!!
Cosmo, can't wait for you to test!

As for me, same...temps are low again (I think I had the two peak days due to drinking the night before) and another flashing smiley. Barukaom, your approach is so much more reasonable, but he won't go for it. DH is super happy with the two kids and it took me MONTHS to convince him to even try for a small window of time. I brought it up to him last night, and he shot it down pretty quickly. You're right, I was super laid back about trying for DD1 (had just gotten off the pill and didn't even know what we were doing), with DD2 I was still BF'ing and we weren't trying. This time around, given the timeline, it is just naturally very stressful for me. This is something that I really want and I know I have one shot at it. I'm really, really trying to just relax about it, but it's hard for me. And yes, I would LOVE nothing more than having another DD since I'm from an all girls family and know how wonderful sisters can be, but more importantly, I'd choose healthy over sex just like anyone else.

Do you guys recommend that I stop opk's and just dtd e4d to just take the stress off? Or should I keep opk's so I know to add in one additional attempt at positive? Thanks for letting me vent to you guys...

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[Georgia_Peach]

Good morning everyone :) Not much to report here, except temps are above cover line and I've been crampy since last night :D

I've been doing LOTS of reading and I've come to the conclusion that OPK's are not as reliable as we may think they are (not surprising of course). What shows up in urine is dependent on how a person metabolizes a hormone, kidney health and liver health. So yes, LH can show up in urine after ovulation, during ovulation and before ovulation. The best way to know for sure is bloodwork.

This is why temping, FAM and OPK's should be used in conjunction; it gives a much more clear picture of what's going on. For me, if I had been relying on OPK's alone, I would have missed my egg lol. Based on the data I've gathered the last 3 months, I seem to excrete LH when or after I O, not before or with enough of a notice to get swimmers ready.

Yeah... data collection fascinates me. What can I say. SO how is everyone? Sorry to hear about AF visiting some of you :(

@Maxim, what's the latest with you?
@Robin, you are awfully quiet lol
@butterfly, congrats hun! I can totally see that line on the frer.

I have nothing left to obsess over for about 5 more days... LOL. I'll start testing then. >_>
Lol! I wrote earlier today...
I had a slight temp drop today at 6dpo (CD 25) Af is due in 4 days.
I'm bummed today bc I think I'm out.

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[maximbella]

Robin, why do you think you're out?

[cosmosis]

Hi ladies, good morning!

Butterfly, I can definitely see that! Amazing, congrats!!!
Cosmo, can't wait for you to test!

As for me, same...temps are low again (I think I had the two peak days due to drinking the night before) and another flashing smiley. Barukaom, your approach is so much more reasonable, but he won't go for it. DH is super happy with the two kids and it took me MONTHS to convince him to even try for a small window of time. I brought it up to him last night, and he shot it down pretty quickly. You're right, I was super laid back about trying for DD1 (had just gotten off the pill and didn't even know what we were doing), with DD2 I was still BF'ing and we weren't trying. This time around, given the timeline, it is just naturally very stressful for me. This is something that I really want and I know I have one shot at it. I'm really, really trying to just relax about it, but it's hard for me. And yes, I would LOVE nothing more than having another DD since I'm from an all girls family and know how wonderful sisters can be, but more importantly, I'd choose healthy over sex just like anyone else.

Do you guys recommend that I stop opk's and just dtd e4d to just take the stress off? Or should I keep opk's so I know to add in one additional attempt at positive? Thanks for letting me vent to you guys...

34823

Keep them so you know you had a surg, but don't depend on them to confirm O. Do you still have ewcm?


Lol! I wrote earlier today...
I had a slight temp drop today at 6dpo (CD 25) Af is due in 4 days.
I'm bummed today bc I think I'm out.

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Why do you think you are out?

[Georgia_Peach]

Just bc going by my charts the last few months .. day 25 for me I usually see a slight dip. Also the month I got my positive (chemical) my temps were higher than they are this month. I just also have a feeling. Which really sucks.
Also side note. These suppositories suck. Like I hate them alot. They give you symptoms of pregnancy and today I'm just grouchy.

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[Burakoam]

Aww Robin :( if this isn't your month the good news is clomid can only help your pink sway and it gave me the most awesome little girl :) I think the suppositories can mess with your temp too in many ways so here is hoping it's just those and in a few days you can test :)

[Georgia_Peach]

Oh and did I mention one of the side effects of progesterone is increased hunger! I'm STARVING all day now. Good times over here. Lol

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[cosmosis]

hmmm, I don't think that's a progesterone side effect. I've been taking it for a long time and at one point I was doing 200-300mg per day.

How many days before you test? 2?

One temp doesn't mean anything, unless you drop under your cover line and even then, you want to look at temps 3 at a time at least.

[Erin514]

Questions:

How sensitive are wondfo's compared to frers? I've read that canadian frers are not that sensitive.... thoughts? I have 25 wondfo's :D

Canadian FRERs are sensitive! I got a false positive from leftover miscarriage HCG. The blood test the next day had me at 7.5, well below what a Wondfo would pick up.

[Georgia_Peach]

hmmm, I don't think that's a progesterone side effect. I've been taking it for a long time and at one point I was doing 200-300mg per day.

How many days before you test? 2?

One temp doesn't mean anything, unless you drop under your cover line and even then, you want to look at temps 3 at a time at least.
Ya I'm taking 200mg 2x a day.
I don't know when I should test! Like if AF is due on Friday shouldn't I maybe be able to see something tomorrow on a frer bc it's 3 days out from af?
Or do I have to wait until 9dpo? It's hard to know bc Ive never ovulate this late and got a positive pregnancy test before.

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[Shannshaff]

Robin - I would wait until 9dpo at the earliest to test. What do you mean by AF is due a certain day? Is that based on Cycle length or LP? Because if you had a late O - then your cycle will be longer. The LP is usually the same, give or take a day, every cycle. Cycle length will change based on the day you O. I think you still have a great chance.

Pn3 - praying for you for this cycle. You have been waiting for so long!!!

Netti - welcome back.

Max - I pray you get your hearts desire or that your DH will agree to more chances. Praying for peace for you in whatever your future holds.

Butercup - Congrats again. That line looks wonderful. You should get a positive digi in a few days.

[Georgia_Peach]

So yes in theroy my cycles should be longer but last month I ovulated on day 18 the same as this month and af came sane time cd28! No change at all in cycle days. I expect the same thing this month.

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[Butterflies buttercups]

Oh no sorry to hear that robin I ovulated really late this month that's why I have had to wait so long to test like day 34 today! And still faint positives xx


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[Wantanother2017]

Questions:

How sensitive are wondfo's compared to frers? I've read that canadian frers are not that sensitive.... thoughts? I have 25 wondfo's :D

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11 dpo with Wondfo



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