New 2018 Clomid AND Femara support threads!

[atomic sagebrush]

Maybe then I should try to buy clomid instead of femara if is more likely to have twins with femara.. anyone knows more or less the porcentage of twins with clomid or femara? Thx

Some studies have found Clomid to cause twins more often.

Some studies have found Femara to cause twins more often.

At this point in time I do not think we can draw any reliable conclusions about it. Both likely up odds of twinning.

If you're under 35 you can use Clomid or Femara. If you're over 35 or have other fertility issues (such as poor lining) or if you don't respond well to Clomid, Femara may be better.

[Liliana]

I am 33 . Ok thx

[onebigwish]

One question, is it normal to have pain in one boob all the time? I have this normally right after O (only with a clomid cycle)but AF came I’m CD13 and it’s hurting all the time through out the whole cycle on one side of the boob like it’s bruised or something. I never experienced such weird pain before so i assume it’s from the clomid.

[Elena86]

Success rate for Clomid plus pink sway tactics is 75%.

Doctors are negative on Clomid for no real reason. It is because it can up odds of twinning and twinning can cause higher risk pregnancy.

THere are some side effects (which all you need to do is Google, and you'll be able to read them, also should have come with your medication packet) but they are minor and don't bother most people much as long as you take them as prescribed. Clomid has been around since the 60's and is a very safe drug that's been used by millions of people.

Thx Atomic. My AF just arrived. Next cycle clomid but only have 2 rounds.
Would you stay with one attempt? Just read the essay about clomid.

[Boymom287]

I need help! Last moth I was on my 3rd round of clomid which has lengthened my cycles to 36 days. I took a test on CD 32 and got a faint positive. The next morning it was much lighter and this morning almost nonexistent and now I am bleeding so I assuming I am having a chemical. My doc will only let me have one more round of clomid. Do I count today as day one of my cycle and start the clomid in 2 days? Or should I wait one cycle to take it? I am so bummed as my last pregnancy sadly ended at 18 weeks. I’m beginning to loose hope and could really use some words of encouragement and some direction on what to do next.
Thank you for everything!


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[atomic sagebrush]

I am 33 . Ok thx

You can use either Clomid or Femara. Some studies have indicated that for people without underlying fertility challenges Clomid might = better odds of conception than Femara, but for people with underlying fertility issues Femara is best.

[atomic sagebrush]

One question, is it normal to have pain in one boob all the time? I have this normally right after O (only with a clomid cycle)but AF came I’m CD13 and it’s hurting all the time through out the whole cycle on one side of the boob like it’s bruised or something. I never experienced such weird pain before so i assume it’s from the clomid.

It probably is but might warrant a check to be sure you don't have a cyst or mild mastitis going on (you can get mastitis even when not actively nursing)

[atomic sagebrush]

Thx Atomic. My AF just arrived. Next cycle clomid but only have 2 rounds.
Would you stay with one attempt? Just read the essay about clomid.

No given that you only have 2 cycles of Clomid I'd go to e4d now and then your second Clomid cycle, do e4d plus one more additional attempt at pos OPK.

[atomic sagebrush]

I need help! Last moth I was on my 3rd round of clomid which has lengthened my cycles to 36 days. I took a test on CD 32 and got a faint positive. The next morning it was much lighter and this morning almost nonexistent and now I am bleeding so I assuming I am having a chemical. My doc will only let me have one more round of clomid. Do I count today as day one of my cycle and start the clomid in 2 days? Or should I wait one cycle to take it? I am so bummed as my last pregnancy sadly ended at 18 weeks. I’m beginning to loose hope and could really use some words of encouragement and some direction on what to do next.
Thank you for everything!


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Oh I'm sorry to hear of your loss. :heart:

Yes it's a chemical, count the first day of bleeding as CD 1 and then start the Clomid at planned BUT be sure you take another pregnancy test the day you're due to start the Clomid and don't take it if it's still positive. Sometimes you can have bleeding and be pregnant the whole time, and additionally, the pregnancy tests can dance back and forth from darker to lighter at this stage so since you can't take Clomid during pregnancy, just take one more test to be sure.

no need to wait a month with a chemical pregnancy. Fine to take Clomid straightaway.

What are you doing in terms of frequency and number of attempts?? Let's be sure we have you in with a good attempt and hopefully best odds conception.

[Boymom287]

Oh I'm sorry to hear of your loss. :heart:

Yes it's a chemical, count the first day of bleeding as CD 1 and then start the Clomid at planned BUT be sure you take another pregnancy test the day you're due to start the Clomid and don't take it if it's still positive. Sometimes you can have bleeding and be pregnant the whole time, and additionally, the pregnancy tests can dance back and forth from darker to lighter at this stage so since you can't take Clomid during pregnancy, just take one more test to be sure.

no need to wait a month with a chemical pregnancy. Fine to take Clomid straightaway.

What are you doing in terms of frequency and number of attempts?? Let's be sure we have you in with a good attempt and hopefully best odds conception.

We typically dtd fridays and Sunday’s or Monday’s depending on hubbys schedule. He is out of town either Monday-Thursday or Tuesday-Friday. And sometimes m-f so really just whenever we can!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh ok in that case just keep doing that!! :agree:

[Boymom287]

I’m sorry! Last question. When I started spotting with this chemical pregnancy was about 11pm and very light. Does that still count as CD1? I was planning on starting this round on CD3 so just curious when to start. Thank you!


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[MrsEnglish]

12 DPO, I said poas day would be Friday, but I had a lot of Opks left sitting around so on a whim I peed on one this morning, it wasn't FMU and only like an hour hold, but was concentrated because I hadn't drinken.

Attaching pic of the OPK: test line not as dark as control, but seems dark to me for being in luteal phase.

Am I getting excited over nothing or is this a serious pregnancy sign? The only symptom I've had at all is lightheadedness. Should I go ahead and POAS today to avoid building up the anticipation?

[MrsEnglish]

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Sorry, I'm a bit technically impaired

[Pbn3]

Mrs English just wanted to pop in and say that while a pos opk (and yours is dark but not pos) can indicate a bfp, some women simply experience a lh surge prior to af arriving, me being one of those women as I found out with the 'opk as pregnancy test'... so while I'm hoping with everything that it is indeed a sign of fantastic things to come, I wanted to warn you not to get your hopes up high based on this. You'll get a pos hpt before a pos opk caused by hcg so I'd recommend biting the bullet and poa hpt. Fx so tightly for you!!!

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[Pbn3]

I’m sorry! Last question. When I started spotting with this chemical pregnancy was about 11pm and very light. Does that still count as CD1? I was planning on starting this round on CD3 so just curious when to start. Thank you!


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[MrsEnglish]

Impatience payed off. I got my BFP!!!!!!!!!

😀😮🎉😂💕👍😘😉😃😁😋😎🎂

[Pbn3]

Huge congratulations!!! Post a pic!!!

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[MrsEnglish]

Huge congratulations!!! Post a pic!!!

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Not even a squinter! With my first pregnancy I was like, am I imagining it? In the long term it doesn't matter, but in the moment - getting a big BFP is definitely more satisfying 40093

[ManchesterMrs]

So so happy for you emshe!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I’m sorry! Last question. When I started spotting with this chemical pregnancy was about 11pm and very light. Does that still count as CD1? I was planning on starting this round on CD3 so just curious when to start. Thank you!


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I would probably count it as the next day. The good news is that the Clomid is way more forgiving than people think and so it really doesn't matter if you are a day off in either direction.

[atomic sagebrush]

Mrs English just wanted to pop in and say that while a pos opk (and yours is dark but not pos) can indicate a bfp, some women simply experience a lh surge prior to af arriving, me being one of those women as I found out with the 'opk as pregnancy test'... so while I'm hoping with everything that it is indeed a sign of fantastic things to come, I wanted to warn you not to get your hopes up high based on this. You'll get a pos hpt before a pos opk caused by hcg so I'd recommend biting the bullet and poa hpt. Fx so tightly for you!!!

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:agree: just wanted to double down on this for other posters, since in this case it did turn out to be pregnancy...most of the time you won't get a positive OPK until AFTER a missed period so if you're getting a pos OPK 7-14 days past ovulation and getting all excited about it, please hold your applause till you have missed a period and also had a positive on an HCG test ideally.

[emshe]

Not even a squinter! With my first pregnancy I was like, am I imagining it? In the long term it doesn't matter, but in the moment - getting a big BFP is definitely more satisfying 40093

Mrs English!!!!!!!!! This is the best. Congratulations what fantastic news


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[emshe]

So so happy for you emshe!!

I hope you will be, keep your fingers and all crossed for me, I’m still in the agonising tww
🤞🏻[emoji176][emoji1374] I just replied to your message too Manchester, sorry it took awhile I went to bed early last night after a shocker sleep the night before. You’re on the right track


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[Happymommy1987]

Can Clomid/Femara give misleading OPK results during cycle?



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[atomic sagebrush]

Can Clomid/Femara give misleading OPK results during cycle?



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Yes, while you are taking them and for up to 3 days afterwards, you'll get a false positive OPK. After that point, you should get normal results with OPK.

[onebigwish]

It probably is but might warrant a check to be sure you don't have a cyst or mild mastitis going on (you can get mastitis even when not actively nursing)

I went to the doctor and it isn’t mastitis. The pain is still going on and im cd19 in the tww. I think because the clomid is still in my body.

[onebigwish]

Impatience payed off. I got my BFP!!!!!!!!!

😀😮🎉😂💕👍😘😉😃😁😋😎🎂

Congratulations Mr English!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I went to the doctor and it isn’t mastitis. The pain is still going on and im cd19 in the tww. I think because the clomid is still in my body.

Ok that's actually good news, we have ruled out something that needs treatment. I'd take an ibuprofen and see if it helps.

[xtina33]

Hi everyone!

Just wanted to say, I got my BFP a few days ago! I’m over the moon as I honestly thought I was out this month. My hubby was booked in to have a sperm anaylisis due to his age, and I just got the overwhelming urge to test. It was a squinter at first but hardly got darker as the days went on. We’re thrilled!

I will post my sway when I’m out of the ‘danger zone’ as we all know too well that things could turn in a blink of an eye. However I remain positive!

The only things I feel nervous about are the attempts. As I posted earlier on, we had several attempts around ovulation as we just weren’t falling quick enough and I had no more Clomid being prescribed. Also, I introduced the PCOS girl diet in the week of ovulation so I had a tad more protein and fat, I introduced some chicken & eggs.. but overal I’m happy!

Thank you for all your support guys.. it’s proceless.. il be in touch!

Xxx

[Happymommy1987]

Hi everyone!

Just wanted to say, I got my BFP a few days ago! I’m over the moon as I honestly thought I was out this month. My hubby was booked in to have a sperm anaylisis due to his age, and I just got the overwhelming urge to test. It was a squinter at first but hardly got darker as the days went on. We’re thrilled!

I will post my sway when I’m out of the ‘danger zone’ as we all know too well that things could turn in a blink of an eye. However I remain positive!

The only things I feel nervous about are the attempts. As I posted earlier on, we had several attempts around ovulation as we just weren’t falling quick enough and I had no more Clomid being prescribed. Also, I introduced the PCOS girl diet in the week of ovulation so I had a tad more protein and fat, I introduced some chicken & eggs.. but overal I’m happy!

Thank you for all your support guys.. it’s proceless.. il be in touch!

Xxx

Congratulations! [emoji322]


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[atomic sagebrush]

Woohoo xtina I'm so happy for you!!

Wishing you the very best of luck for a healthy pregnancy and tons of pink dust!!

[Elena86]

Should I do jump and dump and a hot bath for DH with my attempt?
Only have clomid for this and next month.

[atomic sagebrush]

Should I do jump and dump and a hot bath for DH with my attempt?
Only have clomid for this and next month.

I would compromise and skip the hot bath and do J and D after 10 minutes since u only have 2 Clomid months. :)

[JJ66]

Question about ovulation:

Last month (per OPK) my surge was on CD10 without Clomid, the month before that, CD12 while on Clomid. I'm taking Clomid again this cycle, days 3-7. If I wait five days after my last pill to start the OPK, that will be CD12, and I'm worried I could miss my surge. But I know Clomid can cause false positives, so I'm afraid if I start doing the OPK too early, it could be wrong, we have an early attempt, and I don't want to add more.

Atomic, thoughts? If you're thinking E4D, would you think start early, considering my last surge at CD10? (I'm currently on CD7.)

Thanks for any advice!

[Liliana]

In Spain I can’t find clomid only Omifin. The pharmacy says it’s the same as it has clomiphene, anyone knows if is the same?

[Happymommy1987]

In Spain I can’t find clomid only Omifin. The pharmacy says it’s the same as it has clomiphene, anyone knows if is the same?

It is the same thing..


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[atomic sagebrush]

Question about ovulation:

Last month (per OPK) my surge was on CD10 without Clomid, the month before that, CD12 while on Clomid. I'm taking Clomid again this cycle, days 3-7. If I wait five days after my last pill to start the OPK, that will be CD12, and I'm worried I could miss my surge. But I know Clomid can cause false positives, so I'm afraid if I start doing the OPK too early, it could be wrong, we have an early attempt, and I don't want to add more.

Atomic, thoughts? If you're thinking E4D, would you think start early, considering my last surge at CD10? (I'm currently on CD7.)

Thanks for any advice!

You will not O on CD 10 after stopping Clomid CD 7. It will inihibit ovulation until the 5th day after stopping it at the absoulte earliest. Your non-clomid cycles don't really tell you much about Clomid cycles.

You don't have to wait till the 5th day to start the OPK. Start the 3rd day fter stopping Clomid and generally the Clomid will no longer be making false positives by then. If you do get a positive that day, have an attempt just to cover but it's probably a faker.

If you want to do e4d I'd have you start that the day after stopping Clomid and just keep going with it. I like you guys to be settled in on the pattern before you could ovulate so you're not tempted to try and jockey it around to try and get it to fall on a particular day. Then just keep going with it. I would suggest not even doing OPK with e4d so you aren't tempted to try to get your attempts to fall any particular way.

[atomic sagebrush]

In Spain I can’t find clomid only Omifin. The pharmacy says it’s the same as it has clomiphene, anyone knows if is the same?

yes it's the same

[JJ66]

You will not O on CD 10 after stopping Clomid CD 7. It will inihibit ovulation until the 5th day after stopping it at the absoulte earliest. Your non-clomid cycles don't really tell you much about Clomid cycles.

You don't have to wait till the 5th day to start the OPK. Start the 3rd day fter stopping Clomid and generally the Clomid will no longer be making false positives by then. If you do get a positive that day, have an attempt just to cover but it's probably a faker.

If you want to do e4d I'd have you start that the day after stopping Clomid and just keep going with it. I like you guys to be settled in on the pattern before you could ovulate so you're not tempted to try and jockey it around to try and get it to fall on a particular day. Then just keep going with it. I would suggest not even doing OPK with e4d so you aren't tempted to try to get your attempts to fall any particular way.

So if I got my surge on CD 12 my last cycle of Clomid, this cycle may be totally different? Bah! If it was the same, that would be exactly 5 days after stopping, which you're saying IS possible, but early for Clomid?

I feel like I should try one more Clomid cycle doing one attempt, then if it doesn't work, I'll do E4D the next cycle (my last Clomid cycle). I would really like to be successful with the one attempt.

I'll start taking the OPKs 3 days after my last pill. I actually didn't get any false positives with the OPK last time, before the surge on CD 12, so hopefully I'll have the same luck this time. :fx:

Thank you!!!

[Liliana]

Do you have your period while you are on clomid or femara? Is omifin 50 ok? Or should be less? Is only for swaying pink, we don’t have problems to conceive . Thx

[atomic sagebrush]

Do you have your period while you are on clomid or femara? Is omifin 50 ok? Or should be less? Is only for swaying pink, we don’t have problems to conceive . Thx

Yes you will still have your period. You only take Clomid for 5 days of your entire cycle.

50 mg is fine, I think we have best results for conception and for swaying that way.

[xtina33]

Woohoo xtina I'm so happy for you!!

Wishing you the very best of luck for a healthy pregnancy and tons of pink dust!!

Thank you!!! I’m incredibly nervous. My best friend is a bit further along than me & just found out she’s having a girl. Having done nothing to sway at all! If anything she was swaying boy!

I just hope & prey Iv done enough to increase my chances 😬

Here’s to a healthy & happy nine months!!

[atomic sagebrush]

I know, it's so irritating when that happens but the reality is, most people have a boy and a girl or a girl and a boy just that easily, they get pregnant twice, doing nothing obviously any different, and get different outcomes each time. :)

[Liliana]

Hi everyone!! What ovulation strips do you use? I already got my clomid (omifin) and start the diet in 1 week... will try to conceive in december-january. Is the LE diet the same as LEPCOS diet? Thx

[atomic sagebrush]

Most people use Wondfo, Babi, or Clearblue.

No, LE Diet and the PCOS version are not the same. They're both LE Diet (have about the same limits of cals, protein, fat) but the PCOS-type LE Diet has higher protein and fat intake and uses healthier carb sources - whole grains, fruit, and veg instead of sugar and white flour.

[JJ66]

Hi Atomic! I'm in Clomid cycle #2 (days 3-7).

We BD late night on CD 11 (based on logistics of DH being gone and I didn't want to miss it).

I got a positive OPK on the morning of CD 12, all day, followed by another dark positive OPK on CD 13 (I use the strips). Day 12 I had mild cramping, and Days 13 more severe cramping for several hours, which is finally dissipating today (Day 14). I'm not temping, so I can't be sure of when I actually ovulated. Is it possible to get cramps like that AFTER ovulation?

The upside is there was ample EWCM, so even though it was early-ish, maybe it helped. Also didn't J&D.

[atomic sagebrush]

Agh sorry I missed this JJ. YOu can have cramps after ovulation, absolutely. I often do. But I would still have attempt again just to cover in case O is delayed.

[JJ66]

Agh sorry I missed this JJ. YOu can have cramps after ovulation, absolutely. I often do. But I would still have attempt again just to cover in case O is delayed.

Well, boo. We didn't have the second attempt. If this cycle doesn't end with a BFP, we'll do E4D from here on. Not gettin any younger over here! :D

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, boo. We didn't have the second attempt. If this cycle doesn't end with a BFP, we'll do E4D from here on. Not gettin any younger over here! :D

Well, you don't know that you did O, may have been a faker, I'd have another attempt and e4d it from here on in unless you're 110% sure you have ovulated.

[JJ66]

Well, you don't know that you did O, may have been a faker, I'd have another attempt and e4d it from here on in unless you're 110% sure you have ovulated.

While we're on the subject, why don't we (pink swayers) all just do E4D? If it still counts as one attempt (or does it)? Does E4D slightly lean any more toward blue?

[atomic sagebrush]

It has to do with a) the fact that we really don't know how any of this actually works and b) the origins of one attempt.

in the early days of the site, no one had guessed that number of attempts swayed pink. So we were having people keep going doing things like timing, frequency, antihistamine, jelly/douche, supplements, all of which cut odds of conception hugely, and had them add attempts to get pregnant. This was our lowest success rate of the site for pink - 58%. Our results showed us that none of those things were even working - same number of people got girls with and without them.
Thankfully, we just happened by chance to keep track of the number of attempts people were doing and realized something very shocking...people who got pregnant from just one attempt had 70-75% success rate (depending on the month the number went up and down a little but in that range) This fell all the way down to 60-65% with 2 attempts, and then plummeted to 40-45% with three attempts. This was all in people who were doing tons of other things (all of which we proved were totally neutral in results, not swaying pink or blue) to sway pink and having otherwise great sways.

And in the meantime, LE Diet and exercise were clearly working! It was a huge puzzle and the only solution to the puzzle appeared to be that number of attempts was swaying strongly in some way we still do not understand.

So once I noticed that (because at that point in time we were all desperate to understand what we could possibly be doing wrong to get such terrible results!) I started having people reverse course, keep one attempt as long as possible and drop the other stuff (which again, was not working) to boost odds of conception with the one attempt. Our results IMMEDIATELY within the span of like 2 months, did a 180 and went up and up and there it has stayed since.

Long story short, one attempt has completely proven itself to me. I don't know how or why it works, but I do believe based on all that, that it DOES work. Our results have declined on one attempt over time but that is because (IMO) a LOT of people fudge on other things, start trying too soon, etc and now rely on one attempt to carry the day for them. But having seen that history I still maintain (and likely always will unless I get some hard data disproving it) that one attempt is best for pink.

Now, e4d is what I consider to be one attempt. But the thing is we don't know how or why one attempt even works. And we don't have the same quality of data on e4d to prove to me that it is really as shizztastic as the one attempt is. So, I don't trust the e4d anywhere near as much as I do the one attempt and so I can't in good conscience have you guys start off with e4d except for the handful of people for whom that makes the most sense, of course).

As it sits here and now based on 10 years of results and observations I believe one attempt is more proven reliable than e4d is and thus that is why I recommend starting off with one atttempt and only going to e4d after at least 2 months with one attempt. :)

[xtina33]

Hi ladies, how are you all?

I’m now venturing into my 7th week of pregnancy and have an early scan booked for this Monday! Woohoo ..

So my question is, shall I ask the u/s tech what side my placenta has started forming for Ramzi guesses? Or is Ramzi just rubbish ?

Thanks guys!

[atomic sagebrush]

After having seen people send Dr. Ramzi $10 to guess on their ultrasound and he guessed wrong, and learning that Ramzi never published his "study" for independent review, I can no longer believe there is anything to it at all and suggest not even bothering with it.

[JJ66]

It has to do with a) the fact that we really don't know how any of this actually works and b) the origins of one attempt.

in the early days of the site, no one had guessed that number of attempts swayed pink. So we were having people keep going doing things like timing, frequency, antihistamine, jelly/douche, supplements, all of which cut odds of conception hugely, and had them add attempts to get pregnant. This was our lowest success rate of the site for pink - 58%. Our results showed us that none of those things were even working - same number of people got girls with and without them.
Thankfully, we just happened by chance to keep track of the number of attempts people were doing and realized something very shocking...people who got pregnant from just one attempt had 70-75% success rate (depending on the month the number went up and down a little but in that range) This fell all the way down to 60-65% with 2 attempts, and then plummeted to 40-45% with three attempts. This was all in people who were doing tons of other things (all of which we proved were totally neutral in results, not swaying pink or blue) to sway pink and having otherwise great sways.

And in the meantime, LE Diet and exercise were clearly working! It was a huge puzzle and the only solution to the puzzle appeared to be that number of attempts was swaying strongly in some way we still do not understand.

So once I noticed that (because at that point in time we were all desperate to understand what we could possibly be doing wrong to get such terrible results!) I started having people reverse course, keep one attempt as long as possible and drop the other stuff (which again, was not working) to boost odds of conception with the one attempt. Our results IMMEDIATELY within the span of like 2 months, did a 180 and went up and up and there it has stayed since.

Long story short, one attempt has completely proven itself to me. I don't know how or why it works, but I do believe based on all that, that it DOES work. Our results have declined on one attempt over time but that is because (IMO) a LOT of people fudge on other things, start trying too soon, etc and now rely on one attempt to carry the day for them. But having seen that history I still maintain (and likely always will unless I get some hard data disproving it) that one attempt is best for pink.

Now, e4d is what I consider to be one attempt. But the thing is we don't know how or why one attempt even works. And we don't have the same quality of data on e4d to prove to me that it is really as shizztastic as the one attempt is. So, I don't trust the e4d anywhere near as much as I do the one attempt and so I can't in good conscience have you guys start off with e4d except for the handful of people for whom that makes the most sense, of course).

As it sits here and now based on 10 years of results and observations I believe one attempt is more proven reliable than e4d is and thus that is why I recommend starting off with one atttempt and only going to e4d after at least 2 months with one attempt. :)

Well, I'll tell ya: I think I got my BFP. And with just the one attempt! I'm not completely 100% as I just got a very, very faint line, so I'll test again tomorrow. But fingers crossed this is it!

And I'm loving the explanation above. DATA. Brilliant! :)

[atomic sagebrush]

We need pix! LOL!! FXFXFX :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

[JJ66]

We need pix! LOL!! FXFXFX :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Well obviously by "I'll test again tomorrow", I meant "I'm going to buy another one immediately and will test today." Which I did. BFP again!

I'm going to enjoy this moment, before I start to freak out, just at the very notion of having four children. Whose idea was this anyway? :D

[atomic sagebrush]

Ha ha! I feel ya there! Even though my older ones are adults they still need a lot of time, let alone the little ones, and some days I'm like "I want MY mom for a change, LOL"

[JJ66]

Ha ha! I feel ya there! Even though my older ones are adults they still need a lot of time, let alone the little ones, and some days I'm like "I want MY mom for a change, LOL"

Right!? Somebody bring ME some chicken nuggets for once. :)

[xtina33]

Hi girls ..

Unfortunately I have misscarried my little one at 8 weeks. It was a silent miscarriage and only picked up on a scan yesterday. I’m sad. Can’t really think about my next steps etc, but keen to try fairly soon again...

How long should I wait until we can actively start trying again? My doc wants me to try naturally for a few months before starting Clomid again, and if I’m totally honest, I feel so nervous about Clomid.. I can’t help but think I did something wrong... I know it’s not the case , but anyway, do you think maybe this miscarriage will kick start my cycles back to normal? Are you more fertile after a loss?

Thank you for all your support through this xxxx

[Happymommy1987]

Im so sorry xtina!!!! Lots of hugs and Ill let the experts answer your questions..


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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no I'm so sorry to read this xtina.

Clomid has been around since the 60's and there are actually women on this site right now who were conceived using it. I believe it to be among the safest of drugs and I do not think it makes people more likely to have losses (while some studies claimed to find that, it's now believed that it was because the women who were taking the Clomid had other health issues going on that predisposed them both towards fertility problems and miscarriages, and not the Clomid itself.)

People say "you're more fertile after a loss" but that's never really been proven. Hormonally you ~may~ be more likely to pop out some eggs and maybe better quality eggs, after a loss because you're still higher in levels of some hormones. AT the same time, though, your body does also have these natural birth control mechanisms like delaying or stopping ovulation, short LP, making less CM to prevent you from conceiving when it feels your body is not in good enough condition to sustain a pregnancy. So it's a bit of a toss up. If you have your doc's ok I think you are fine to start trying once your cycle resumes, if it does, and we all hope that it comes back strong and predictable for you. :heart:

[xtina33]

Thank you so much for your reply.. and your messages..

I’m going to try asap, as I have read that you actually have a lower chance of miscarriage again if you conceive in the first 3 months after..
Il try myself if I can, then I’m going back on Clomid.

Iv decided to lose the 6lb I gained in pregnancy by skipping the breakfast and going veggie AGAIN! Then I’m hopeful mybody will remember exactly what Iv been doing for the last 16 weeks., LE is quite easy for me, so I can slip back easily.
Because my maternal state will be bad (low iron from blood loss, low sugar, tired, low mineral, also blaming myself and thinking I’m terrible and can’t do this) I know that sways anyway... so let’s all hope for a successful pregnancy

Thank you again

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, it's probably not so much that you really have a lower chance of miscarrying, but that the women who are fertile enough to get pregnant again so quickly and whose doctors have okayed it (meaning, they had an uncomplicated loss without having other things happen to them on top of the loss, like heavy bleeding, infection, etc) are less likely to have a loss than those who couldn't get pregnant or were told to wait longer for some medical reason.

But I see no reason why you shouldn't try if your heart is in it and your doc has given the ok.

:agree: Yes that's exactly right - you're already IN declined condition from pregnancy, then a loss, then recovery - PLUS your body does gently reduce overall fertility after a loss as well, plus the mental aspect, I believe it is a-ok for your sway to try right away as long as it's ok for your body. :heart:

[Liliana]

Hi girls! I want to have my second baby and start my pink sway , but i don’t have my period and i don’t ovulate yet , probably because i still breastfeed my 11 months boy. Is it ant way to rush and make my body ovulate again? I bought clomid, if i start taking it, would i ovulate again?
Thx everyone, thx Atomic !!

[atomic sagebrush]

You shouldn't take Clomid until you've had a period (unless you've been to see a doctor who did bloodwork and ultrasound to see where in your cycle you are). If you take it when you already have eggs developing you can cause a cyst to develop.

Are you exercising a lot or dieting strictly?

[Liliana]

Hi Atomic, no, I am not exercising and I am not on a diet, just breastfeeding still. I will wait then! Hope I start to ovulate soon! I tried every day with one step ovulation tests and 30 days nothing ... no period either!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Gosh that's a lot of ovulation tests - very expensive! I would just have you have unprotected sex evry 4 days in the "Monday/Friday" pattern or every 96 hours, whatever is easier for you to understand.

[3rdbaby]

Atomic you replied to me saying that I would need a couple of months off clomid if by March our attempts at high tec haven’t worked as I will have taken it for 5 cycles then. Guess it ties into my other questions about when I can start swaying based on diet (think you said you would reply via email) but how many months would you take off before introducing clomid again and would you go back on birth control? Would it be easier for me to buy a custom plan to ask you these questions (I check multiple times a day to see if you have had a chance to reply but know you super busy) as I just really want to know what my plan and my timeline look like if high tec hasn’t worked by March - causing me a lot of anxiety me being so confused about everything and what steps to take! As in follow south beach while doing high tec but if that doesn’t work then do LE for full 12 weeks or does losing weight while doing high tec and on south beach count etc etc. Thanks so so so much in advance do any guidance you can give me and as I said I am very happy to pay you for you time I just don’t know the best way to do that/ places to post. Xxxxx


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[Liliana]

Gosh that's a lot of ovulation tests - very expensive! I would just have you have unprotected sex evry 4 days in the "Monday/Friday" pattern or every 96 hours, whatever is easier for you to understand.

Ah atomic, that sounds great, but I want to use clomid for my pink sway so i guess i have to wait until my period comes again, is it any way to rush it?

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes you need to wait for your period.

You can get provera or similar medication from your doctor to kickstart your period. None of the over the counter solutions work.

[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic you replied to me saying that I would need a couple of months off clomid if by March our attempts at high tec haven’t worked as I will have taken it for 5 cycles then. Guess it ties into my other questions about when I can start swaying based on diet (think you said you would reply via email) but how many months would you take off before introducing clomid again and would you go back on birth control? Would it be easier for me to buy a custom plan to ask you these questions (I check multiple times a day to see if you have had a chance to reply but know you super busy) as I just really want to know what my plan and my timeline look like if high tec hasn’t worked by March - causing me a lot of anxiety me being so confused about everything and what steps to take! As in follow south beach while doing high tec but if that doesn’t work then do LE for full 12 weeks or does losing weight while doing high tec and on south beach count etc etc. Thanks so so so much in advance do any guidance you can give me and as I said I am very happy to pay you for you time I just don’t know the best way to do that/ places to post. Xxxxx


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Just one month off Clomid. You don't need to go back onto birth control and in fact I'd advise not doing that because it may mess with your ovultion and make it take longer before you can take the Clomid.

I"m really behind on PMs due to the holidays. The Custom Swayers do get same day service so that's an advantage - I answer every question in the Custom Forums daily, then I do the free forums, and then only after those things do I do PMs (because with PM's, I am helping only one person at a time). I'll get back to you as quickly as I"m able.

[Liliana]

I started today with provera, i see that is a fertility medication, any information if it sways pink like clomid!

[atomic sagebrush]

We believe Provera to be neutral. It's not the same thing as Clomid/Femara unfortunately.

[xtina33]

Hi everyone, I’m back again..

I sadly miscarried is Sept 18, but have been trying to conceive since. I took 1 round of generic Clomid in December and managed to fall pregnant!

I’m really very early, but trying to stay positive..

Would like to know if any other ladies are trying again with Clomid after a loss? Feeling a bit alone because I’m not sharing my news with anyone except my partner, and he’s shut down a little... think it’s hard for him to believe it happened and that we are infact pregnant again..

Thanks for reading x

[Nell_]

Hi everyone, I’m back again..

I sadly miscarried is Sept 18, but have been trying to conceive since. I took 1 round of generic Clomid in December and managed to fall pregnant!

I’m really very early, but trying to stay positive..

Would like to know if any other ladies are trying again with Clomid after a loss? Feeling a bit alone because I’m not sharing my news with anyone except my partner, and he’s shut down a little... think it’s hard for him to believe it happened and that we are infact pregnant again..

Thanks for reading x

Congratulations!! So sorry for your loss but hapoy for you that you're pregnant again. What is generic clomid? I had an early mc a few years ago makes you so nervous to be pregnant again doesn't it but keep positive im sure this is your sticky bean 😊

[atomic sagebrush]

Oh hey I was hoping things were going ok for you! :heart: Good luck and sending you all my sticky pink dust!

[atomic sagebrush]

Congratulations!! So sorry for your loss but hapoy for you that you're pregnant again. What is generic clomid? I had an early mc a few years ago makes you so nervous to be pregnant again doesn't it but keep positive im sure this is your sticky bean ��

It's just the "store brand" clomifene citrate and not the brand name Clomid. Same stuff tho, works just as well. :)

[xtina33]

That was a nice welcome back :)

As atomic said it’s the same it’s just cheaper. If I’m being totally honest I was a bit mad at the GP for prescribing generic medicine. God knows why! In my head I was a bit put out.. so silly really..

Anyway, worked on my first cycle!

I’m extreamly anxious but after loss no pregnancy is ever the same, so that’s natural ...

I fell pregnant over the Xmas period, so I was drinking, eating, generally enjoying the festive period with my boys. I finally let my hair down and wasn’t thinking about my sway. I had actually thought about not starting the Clomid and just seeing what happened! That’s how relaxed I was... Then , the day I was due to come on I just had a feeling. I ran home and tested late in the afternoon and it was super strong! Positive.

Scared. Instantly. Refused to tell my partner for a few days. But when I told him we were obviously thrilled, just quite wary...

Thank you for the response guys, I can only rant to you because I’m not telling a soul this time lol

[xtina33]

Can I just add on aswell, that I took a small aspirin dose (75mg) when I got my BFP. Mainly because my mum told me to take it lol. But I have found lots of forums of women that take it to help with oxygen flow to the uterus...

And il also add that I haven’t really been swaying and I’m slightly worried about that!

[atomic sagebrush]

My understanding is that they're not making "Clomid" any more so all they HAVE is the generic now!

It is SOOO hard to regroup after a loss. What I did was every time I felt anxious, I just tried to make a mental connection with my baby and said "stick with me baby, stick with me!" and even though of course it was totally psychological I felt calmed by it.

aRe you still taking the aspirin or was it a one-off?? That has fallen out of favor as it's been determined that while aspirin helps a minority of women, another group of women that's probably quite a bit larger than the number helped can actually be more likely to have miscarriages if they're taking it. I would have you wean off if you've been taking it daily.

[Bine]

I am having already 3 Boys and trying to sway for a Girl. This will be my Last Child and so i am trying to give my best. Here what i am doing

Diet
3 Weeks ingender diet with very high Protein intake but no meat
6 weeks Le diet
I try to eat no breakfast, have Max 3 meals, Drink a lot of coffe and having 180gramm of wine each evening
I eat 40 Protein 40 fett thinking of going um to 50 protein

Exercise
4-6 Times a week
At the beginning i did some weight excercise but i am now only doing cardio

Clomid
But doctor gives me Clomid since i Need it anyway. We will be on 100 since we know that i am reacting Not so good to the medication. We will Start Ovulation with a another medication so one attemp is no Problem for me. I will take Clomid day 5-10

We Plan nothing else to do. I am Not sure if this is enough.

I would Need advice when we should do our First try. My Problem is that i am loosing weight very fast. In 9 Weeks i Lost already 7,5 kilo. I have a bmi of 22,3 and i am at my lightest Conception weight but Not at my lightest weight ever. I am already eating 1800 cal but will go to 2000 to Slow the weight loss down. I have two trys and Then My doctor will stop Clomid.
MY question is shall i try to conceive this month due to the fast weight loss? I will have only 7 Weeks of diet By then. I have the feeling this is not enough. Or shall i better wait?

[atomic sagebrush]

That's all that actually works! PLEASE don't do more than you have already done!

Diet, exercise, one attempt, and Clomid is the absolute BEST sway. All the things that work, without adding any of the things that don't work and cut odds of conception!

:agree: up cal intake to stop weight loss.

I'm fine with you starting TTC now. YOu have the 3 weeks on the IG diet and then the LE Diet and even though you ate more protein, the IG diet is still quite restrictive. I'd go for it!

[Princess Mom]

Anyone recommend a legit online pharmacy to purchase

[atomic sagebrush]

I can't recommend things like that for the obvious reasons but people do go that route.

[Anna277]

I had multiple followers on day 12, one being 18mm, one of 15mm and multiple of 13mm. For this reason we were not allowed to have unprotected sex. The doc said I would ovulate in 1 or 2 days (so on cd13/14) however I had a positive opk on cd15. My question is, since last round I had a follicle that did not make it to ovulate (13mm) , is it for sure that at least the follicle of 18mm did make it? I am awaiting my period but I am very impatient. So could you say that 18mm follicles will ovulate for sure?

[atomic sagebrush]

WOW that's very unusual for a doctor to have you hold off with eggs that size (I SO wish you had mentioned this in your custom coaching forum!) The odds were sky high that the 15 and 13 mm would ahve stopped developing and not been released. IMO he should not have had you miss a month for that. That's not at all the norm - a doctor should know that you will develop more than one egg, but it doesn't mean they all will be released!

The odds are that the 18 mm follicle and possibly 15 mm was ovulated but there's no guarantee without a trigger shot.

[Anna277]

Oh no, I try to be as complete as possible in my writing. I felt exactly the same! I do have to say there were about 8 follicles of 13mm... one of 15mm, and one of 18mm. It was not even negotionable. She said that if the 18mm will be released, at least the 15mm will also be released. I thought 18mm and 13mm were to far apart to all pop together. But of course I followed the advise. Now we have to wait and see if I ovulated. Would this information change your option on the dose for next time? This time I had 100mg and next cycle I may chose between 50 or 75

[atomic sagebrush]

It's possible the 15 would have been released but not likely the 13's would be (and 100% that not all the 13's would go even if one did). It's very normal to release 2 eggs on Clomid and only conceive with one. So much so that few doctors will have people wait in months they ovulate 2 eggs, because most of the time it's still a singleton anyway.

I still prefer 50 mg. I think the reason you didn't O the one month was you were not in good enough condition.

[Anna277]

Thanks Atomic. I guess iT is to late now. Will go for 50 next prins in the hope that my body is in better condition.

[Emma28]

Hi, I have an ultrasound today to check how letrozole has worked. Will this give enough info to time our one attempt or should I be using OPK as well? What should I be looking out for or asking at ultrasound? I'm CD 12 and took 2.5 of letrozole from day 3

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it's very helpful but I would be using OPK as well to give you more information.

Just ask them when they think you're going to ovulate - they can often tell this.

[Emma28]

Ultrasound showed one follicle that was 17x19. She said it could release anytime from now on. I did an opk a few hours prior and it was negative. Could I have missed surge? Not sure when to time attempt? Just go tonight or in the morning or wait for positive opk? I am day 12 today

[atomic sagebrush]

I answered this in your coaching forum!!

[ManchesterMrs]

Hi,
I have quite a lot of femara left over from my sway. I know I can’t sell it (shame as I could use some money!!) but I wondered if any UK ladies want it rather than me binning it?
I will check but I think I have about six months supply. I could split it.
MM

[bluesparkle2]

I am hoping I didn’t miss my window. I’ve been doing the ovulation strips but am currently on CD16 with no positive yet. I took clomid starting on CD 4 and I haven’t necessarily felt any ovulation symptoms besides bloating. Should I start doing every 3 days or stick to one attempt and hopefully get a positive opk soon?

[atomic sagebrush]

It's up to you - the odds are you haven't ovulated yet but you might want to have an attempt and keep testing as well (rather than doing e4d I mean) and then if you get a positive test 4 or more days later, have another attempt. if 1-2 days after the first attempt, stick with the attempt you have had, and if 3 then flip a coin and do what the coin says.

[bluesparkle2]

It's up to you - the odds are you haven't ovulated yet but you might want to have an attempt and keep testing as well (rather than doing e4d I mean) and then if you get a positive test 4 or more days later, have another attempt. if 1-2 days after the first attempt, stick with the attempt you have had, and if 3 then flip a coin and do what the coin says.

You were right! I was just getting antsy and I guess assumed clomid would make me ovulate sooner but I’ve read things on here that say that’s often not the case. I had an attempt last night and got a positive opk this morning. Thanks for your help!

[atomic sagebrush]

Great!!

[Kiwimaz]

On my first round of femara and had my cd12 scan today. 3 follicles at only 10mm and lining pretty thin. Going back on Tues for another scan. Is it common to O still but a bit later? On 2.5mg this cycle.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes ovulation can be changed on these medications, not at all unusual, and your lining will catch up as ovulation comes closer!

[Kiwimaz]

My second scan and some bloods show I haven't responded at all so they've put me back on femara at the next dose (5mg) starting today and another scan booked for next Fri. I'm glad I dont have to wait for AF at least. I'm tempted to drop the acijel. I've seen lots of places it hasnt helped your stats except reduce odds of conception, so am I possibly just slowing things down wanting to include it? Would like best odds with one attempt next O.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes please drop the Acijel.

Ordinarily I'd urge you to be sure you hadn't had sex for 14 days but since you had the scans and blood tests it's ok (mentioning this for the sake of others who may be reading)

Also please drop the fiber if you're taking it.

[Kiwimaz]

Thank you and we haven't dtd the deed cz of AF then being monitored for too many follicles. Can femara affect your appetite or is it time on diet after a while? Feeling super hungry lately and finding it hard not to fall off the wagon! Just finishing 5th month on diet.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Hormones can definitely affect your hunger levels so I would not be surprised if it's the Femara. Figure out what you really want to eat, and have it! (even if it's a cheat)

[Kiwimaz]

I'm going for my 1st scan post 2nd round tomorrow. I'm a bit nervous I'll O earlier than expected following the 2nd course since I already had a course. Its 4th day since last dose. Is it very common to Ov that soon? I think they work on 7 days after. Had sm ewcm yesterday. Realllly dont want to miss it.

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[Kiwimaz]

My OPK looks 'almost' positive after 2.5hr old. I find those things so damn hard to interpret since it relies on how strong your wee is! I did one at 11am with dilute urine that was completely negative. Today's is darker than yesterdays but not dramatically so.

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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm going for my 1st scan post 2nd round tomorrow. I'm a bit nervous I'll O earlier than expected following the 2nd course since I already had a course. Its 4th day since last dose. Is it very common to Ov that soon? I think they work on 7 days after. Had sm ewcm yesterday. Realllly dont want to miss it.

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ANywhere from 5 days after. 4 is quite rare.

When in doubt, have attempt!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

My OPK looks 'almost' positive after 2.5hr old. I find those things so damn hard to interpret since it relies on how strong your wee is! I did one at 11am with dilute urine that was completely negative. Today's is darker than yesterdays but not dramatically so.

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Any update today?? If your test is almost there you may want to have attempt in case it never quite gets fully pos.

[Kiwimaz]

Yes we dtd to be safe. Omw to follicle scan now!

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[Clf124]

I am having a really hard time navigating the site and very confused on where to post and how. I know this doesn’t belong here but

Hello everyone! I have been following this site for quite some time now. I have 3 beautiful boys with my husband and we are hoping for our princess

I have been on the LE diet for 3 months now. I am currently on cycle day 17. My husband and I had an out one attempt (bd) on cycle day 14 but now today at 1pm I had a positive opk. This is my first cycle using opks so I am very new to all of this. I thought I had a positive open at day 14 but I was definitely wrong after seeing how dark my line was today! I generally have 28/29 day cycles.

My question is..is my one attempt on cycle day 14 good enough? Or should hubby and I bd one more time today since I got my positive opk? I know I have read that more than one attempt in your fertile window can sway blue so if anyone could please help me out it would be greatly appreciated!!

[Kiwimaz]

ANywhere from 5 days after. 4 is quite rare.

When in doubt, have attempt!!!21mm on one side and 20mm on the other, happy dance!

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[atomic sagebrush]

I am having a really hard time navigating the site and very confused on where to post and how. I know this doesn’t belong here but

Hello everyone! I have been following this site for quite some time now. I have 3 beautiful boys with my husband and we are hoping for our princess

I have been on the LE diet for 3 months now. I am currently on cycle day 17. My husband and I had an out one attempt (bd) on cycle day 14 but now today at 1pm I had a positive opk. This is my first cycle using opks so I am very new to all of this. I thought I had a positive open at day 14 but I was definitely wrong after seeing how dark my line was today! I generally have 28/29 day cycles.

My question is..is my one attempt on cycle day 14 good enough? Or should hubby and I bd one more time today since I got my positive opk? I know I have read that more than one attempt in your fertile window can sway blue so if anyone could please help me out it would be greatly appreciated!!

I will answer every post posted so from here on in just post once, it's easier for me. I know it's confusing at first but just let me know how I can help! I answered in your other thread.

[atomic sagebrush]

21mm on one side and 20mm on the other, happy dance!

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AWESOME!!!! Let me know how I can help!

[Kiwimaz]

Do you still have a link to my chart in my coaching thread? I'll see what the OPK says today but I have a feeling yesterday was O day so we got our attempt O-1 [emoji7]

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[Kiwimaz]

AWESOME!!!! Let me know how I can help!Temp is down again today, I'm leaning to a fallback pattern but wondering if we should have another attempt in an e4d timeframe to be safe?
I expected more ewcm but not sure what to expect with the meds. The best quality I saw was the day we dtd then it disappeared.

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[atomic sagebrush]

Yes keep going with e4d till you'r'e sure you've ovulated, even if you have to go all the way till your next cycle begins.

I'm not sure what you want me to look at in your coaching thread?

[Kiwimaz]

I'm not sure what you want me to look at in your coaching thread?

If you could see my current cycle's chart by clicking the FF link. It's really weird what my temps are doing but going by cm I've ov'd. Doesn't matter too much, they will take bloods tomorrow and let me know if I've ov'd and if not give a trigger.

[Kiwimaz]

Just updating progesterone was 58nm on tues, def ov'd & likely both follicles.
In the tww now [emoji1696][emoji1696][emoji1696]

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[atomic sagebrush]

Excellent!! Good luck and pink dust!

[ManchesterMrs]

I have a few packs of femara that I am loathe to throw away as they were so expensive! Does anyone here want them? I am based in the UK but can post anywhere.

[Mavindi]

Hi all, just wondering if anyone has any experience with follicle sizes and ovulation? I had a scan showing a 17mm and 12mm on right side and 16mm and 13mm on left, i believe I ovulated naturally around 3.5 days after the scan. I only felt ovukation pain on the right side nothing on the left. Is it likely just the 17mmm ovulated leaving the 16mm behind and that's why I didnt feel anything that side?

[atomic sagebrush]

I know it's hard to believe but you can't tell what side you ovulated from reliably on the basis of O Pain. Since the body develops follicles on both sides each month, you can have pain on both sides, and many people have found that ovulation actually relieves pain (kinda like picking a big, sore zit!) while the pain on the side that did not ovulate, continues and even increases with the hormones released at O. We have had hundreds of people who were amazed to find they ovulated from the opposite side than they had thought!

[Mavindi]

That's promising to know, thanks Atomic. Just finding I'm super anxious this pregnancy for some reason. My symptoms have already started at 4 weeks so I'm hoping things are ok and its because I had 2 follicles ovulate so more progesterone and not a molar pregnancy or something like that as it didn't happen with my previous 2.

[atomic sagebrush]

Many people find their symptoms start sooner in subsequent pregnancies. Very normal and nothing to do with the number of follicles you had (unless it is twins!)

[Abifasc]

I have a few packs of femara that I am loathe to throw away as they were so expensive! Does anyone here want them? I am based in the UK but can post anywhere.

Do you still have some?


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[atomic sagebrush]

You may need to message her by clicking on her user name, as people don't always check their posts

[Mavindi]

Thanks Atomic. I had my blood draw yesterday at 4w5days and hcg was 5700 so probably explains the symptoms. Feeling much better about it now!

[Abifasc]

You may need to message her by clicking on her user name, as people don't always check their posts

Thank you! I don’t know why but I can’t seem to send messages.


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[ManchesterMrs]

Sorry but another lady messaged me a week or two ago so I sent it to her. Sorry not to be able to help. Good luck
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[April2017baby]

Hi! I’m on my first month trying Clomid and I’m 3DPO. I hardly had any symptoms until a few days before ovulation (lots of ovary pain) and I assumed the symptoms would go away after ovulation but I still have pretty bad ovary pain. I’m not being monitored so I just wanted to see if others had similar symptoms. I had a cyst on my right ovary a few months ago (not related to Clomid at all) and it feels the same now (on the right side). Can painful cysts develop this quickly after ovulation? We had one attempt O-1.5 or 2 so I could get pregnant but obviously haven’t implanted yet. Thanks in advance for sharing your experience on Clomid!

[atomic sagebrush]

It is TOTALLY normal to have this happen. You may start to develop more eggs than normal on Clomid which leaves more eggs to be reabsorbed. I do not think it's a cyst.

[mamagrace2]

I’m in a bit of a funk about our one attempt this weekend. It’s my first round on clomid and it’s just a confirmation of why I’m on it in the first place. My LH surge last for such a short time. I tested like a maniac from days 10-14 ( using two types of OPKs). Negative days 10-13, blinks 1 on day 14 solid same day. Negative day 15.

Would you believe my surge lasted for 12-24 hours? In clear blue I only had a blinky smiley for 12 hours or less and a solid smiley was there only for another 5 hour window. ( I tested using my other type of predictive kit and saw my LH line disappear.)

What does this mean for my attempt and this cycle? Is it unlikely I even ovulated. I temp and track mucus; that all is super consistent but a different timeline entirely.

[atomic sagebrush]

Well, just because your TEST didn't stay positive that long doesn't mean that your SURGE wasn't longer. it may be just not concentrated enough in your urine to register as positive.
But yes, you can absolutely have a surge that lasts only 12-24 hours.

If you're seeing mucus and temps not correlating to that I'd consider adding another attempt when you think you're ovulating.

[mamagrace2]

Yes, maybe I’ll try the every 4 days method next month. I will be shocked if our one attempt took for multiple reasons. ( I had a forced jump and dump because we were surprised by our CO2 monitor going off. 🤦*♀️ I was ready to add an attempt but my window passed.)
It gives me another month to refine my diet at least. That and continue the hubs on a bit of a diet himself.

[atomic sagebrush]

If you want a better chance of conception I'd have attempt every 72 hours, and if you want a better chance of pink, I'd do every 96 hours to start and then go to every 72 next time.

[Amlewis2257]

I know this thread is semi old, but it just dawned on me that I’m still taking some fiber with dinner (since I eat higher fat that meal), then taking my fermara at night. I didn’t think about it before that it could stop absorption, I have only take two doses, and take them at night. First night I took fermara probably 4 hours after fiber, last night about 2. My plan is to avoid fiber next couple of days, but have I screwed up the effectiveness now? I don’t ovulate on my own so I’m stressing a little now [emoji28]

[atomic sagebrush]

No you didn't mess anything up - the fiber would already have moved on through.

I would skip it the next few days just in case you need the full amount of fats in your food to help you ovulate on the Femara, though. Sometimes fiber has cut fat so effectively that people don't see the quick response of making a lot of estrogen very quickly when on Femara. So since you don't ovulate on your own normally it makes some sense to drop it a few days to ensure you can make the estrogen you need fast.

[Amlewis2257]

Just wanted to update im CD17 today and still no pos/ peak opk. The past two days have been high (borderline pos opk), but I’m still not getting anything darker. With my PCOS, I always get false positives in my cycle, but never O from them unless they are darker than control line. My dr said I must have elevated lh levels normally so it takes more to trigger O. Prior to swaying I would have 3+ month cycles so I know it’s not diet related.

At this point I have dropped fiber, dropped myo before the start of this cycle, I am eating more/ very flexible dieting, decreased my exercise to 3-4 days a week, breastfeeding less, not sure what much else I can do. I only intended to be on the LE diet for 3 months, but now am hitting 5 1/2 months soon since I never ovulated at the 3 month mark. Feeling super defeated, not even sure I’m looking for feedback just trying to vent a little.


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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm sorry - but don't worry just yet, anything up till CD 21 is still completely in normal range, and even up through CD 35 is quite common.

You've made the right changes and now we need to just give it time. It takes time for your body to come back from cutting back too far, so it's not going to be a light switch unfortunately, but it will happen in time. Keep up the good work, you are doing everything just right!

[Amlewis2257]

Thank you for the words of encouragement. I find myself on the brink of giving up some days truthfully, but having this site definitely picks me back up. I am supposed to have my blood drawn on Friday at, I believe they will up my dosage next cycle if it’s not successful. I am anticipating that I will likely still be swaying during the holidays, do you have any tips on navigating with all of the holiday goods?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Well, since you haven't ovulated it's ok to up the dose (I don't like to see them up the dose for no good reason in people who ARE ovulating on a lower dose). I still suspect the problem was not enough fat being absorbed, and not too little medication, tho.

People actually find it a lot easier than they expect to stick to the diet over the holidays. Because everything is a treat, they can eat a lot of things that feel special and yummy, but end up not even going over the limits at all. Just relax on your idea of the "good food bad food" paradigm and eat what you're craving when you crave it, and you'll be ok! I have my full guide to cheating on diet here: https://atomicsagebrush.com/2019/06/11/guide-to-cheating-on-le-diet-for-pink-swayers/

[Amlewis2257]

If I am understanding correctly as in the fiber prevented it or not eating enough fat? The most daunting of this all is I am just having high OPKs everyday, but no surge and absolutely no cervical mucus. I am crossing my fingers and toes that it is coming, though I should have some cervical mucus if it was right?


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[atomic sagebrush]

I can't know for sure; both things can be true, or neither, or just one or the other.

If you're eating more than enough fat, then the fiber can't absorb it all, so some people have no issues with fiber since they've got enough fat still. If you're eating too little fat, it may not have had anything to DO with the fiber (since it can't absorb what isn't even there) and you just need more fat. It can be that dropping the fiber helped, but you may need more fat than you've been eating Try for 50-60 g not counting the fat in fruit and veg, and if you've already been eating that fat intake, up even as high as 65 g fat.

When you're having lowered hormones, you can not see EWCM even at ovulation. Usually you will see at least SOME, but there are many people checking CM religiously and missing ovulation. So it's definitely possible to ovulate without seeing much CM at all.