Pink swayers' December thread

[auroara78]

Hey Amari, things are good here, nothing new to report besides us ladies waiting for O to come! AF is supposed to show up today, and I really want her to show up now so we can get the show on the road...

Don't think we've had any new BFPs or anything...just playing the waiting game!

[lemon2012]

Hi Pink Swayers,...looks like we are all feeling the same way.
It is hard not to be obsessed with all this information and it is so easy to come down on ourselves for wanting something that seems so impossible.
My problem is I have no gut feeling....or any idea of what approach or plan feels right to me.
I truly want to get pregnant, I cannot take this anymore!
So, I know one attempt is probably not a good idea given my age. I feel uncomfortable too close to ovulation unless there is a lot in there to give the girls the extra shot at beating the boys.
But I have a hard time understanding that frequent bding sways boys due to ph levels and then I read frequent bding sways girls bc it lowers sperm count.
Everything contradicts!
Many are doing frequent release but why do you have to start so soon....Dh cannot possibly release every day for 10 days! Last month we tried compressed release but we did not get pregnant...although I think it was due to other factors since as depth of penetration and reprhesh.
No one talks about depth of penetration? Maybe we need to get it in there?
Sorry this is so TMI!

So, I am cd 8 and will most likely ovulate on cd 14 give or take a day....what to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOTB,do you usually o late? You still have a great chance! Maybe add o plus 12 as you are waiting....or keep going!

aurora,....did you decide what to do this month? What did you try last month?

jamie...you look young:) When will you plan your attempt?
I think the rephresh on the day of attempt is not helpful to get pregnant, but maybe a few days before?
I think I will try that...just not sure how much rephresh.

I HATE THE DIET...and I am not really doing it much anymore. I do not eat a lot so maybe that will help.
I don't weight a lot so I am hoping that helps...and it is ALL fat! hahahha, no muscle on me! ugh!

Maybe we need to compare attempts for this month to help each other out?
Oh, and what not to do!

[zanacal]

I feel uncomfortable too close to ovulation unless there is a lot in there to give the girls the extra shot at beating the boys.
But I have a hard time understanding that frequent bding sways boys due to ph levels and then I read frequent bding sways girls bc it lowers sperm count.
Everything contradicts!
Many are doing frequent release but why do you have to start so soon....Dh cannot possibly release every day for 10 days! Last month we tried compressed release but we did not get pregnant...although I think it was due to other factors since as depth of penetration and reprhesh.
No one talks about depth of penetration? Maybe we need to get it in there?


I don't know what you mean about having a lot in there to give the girls an extra shot - it seems likely that girls have a better chance when there is less sperm overall and that the boys prefer to have lots of other sperm to help penetrate the egg. DTD near/at ovulation will help you to get pregnant but lowering sperm count overall will sway pink.

A potential increase in pH of DTD every day can easily be overcome by using Rephresh or DH could release every day without actually DTD.

You have you release for at least 7-10 days to ensure you're lowering sperm count enough - by not giving your DH's sperm enough time to replenish. The compressed FR you did last time should have a similar effect.

Shallow release is just one of those things you either do or don't do, your choice. We didn't because I think it's difficult for DH but I did a Jump and Dump straight away which has the same end result (less sperm/semen). If you're using Rephresh and doing FR and/or not having many attempts you might want to forget about shallow release.

[lemon2012]

Thanks Zan,..you have some helpful advice.
Now that I am 4-7 days away from o I have no chance to fr and I think DH does not like it anyway.

What do I do now?
I understand the sperm helping the others up there...what if I dtd a few times but stopped 2 days shy of o?
For instance, cd 10, 11 and 12 with release maybe on the morning of 11 as well to lower it...? Maybe even the morning of cd 12? Or maybe dtd earlier on cd 12. I think will o on cd 14.
Does any of this make sense?
I don't think I could do what you did or as well!
I also have not stuck to the diet that well and only take vitex for about a week and a half.
I have not started rephresh yet.

[lemon2012]

OOTB, just wondering why you choose frequent bd for so long?
I think it is a good sway...just trying to decide my attempt and I was wondering what made you go that route?

Amari...i wish I were in Mexico too:) Hope you are good and enjoying the food...you are on vacation right!!!!

[GeCon]

I read that some of you ladies got a baby girl spell. Can i ask what this involves, how much it is and how it works?

[rainbowflower]

GeCon - I ordered this one: Fertility & Pregnancy Spell for a Daughter ~ Baby Girl | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fertility-Pregnancy-Spell-Daughter-Baby-Girl-/280487542381?pt=UK_Metaphysical_New_Age&var=&hash=item870adaef07)

she casts the spell and sends you the ring which you can wear (either all the time or infrequently, provided you wear or hold it now and again), there is a spell which you say and you do that 3 days in a row over your fertile time for 3 cycles in a row
if it doesn't work, you get your money back or a re-cast.... so seems like less risk to me!

[Out of the Blue]

All, thank you so much for your O vibes. I think they worked b/c I got a +OPK yesterday afternoon. I promptly shot a bunch of RepHresh up there again :) and then we BD at 8:45 pm. I got a temp spike this a.m. and I’m hoping it was an actual post-O spike but I’m not sure. When I conceived in July, I got 3 +OPKs in a row. When I had my first post-m/c O, I think I got 2. This one is out of the blue (seems to be my theme w/everything :p ). I plan to take another OPK at my regular time today but I'm thinking it'll be neg. I’ve stopped Vitex and the Peppermint Tea for now. You all are welcome to look at my chart (in my siggie below) and let me know if you think I actually O'ed.
:nails:

Lemon, I’ve chosen to do frequent BD starting so soon b/c I really, really just want to be preg again. I wasn’t exactly sure what my cycle would be post-m/c I figured if DH is going to release, it may as well be in me :) Although we’ve been BD like rabbits, I’ve been using about ½ an app of RepHresh every day. I know it’s probably overkill but I thought that w/the amount of BD we’ve been doing, I wanted to make sure I was still swaying pink. We also used some Sylk. I tried to get DH to do it shallow and he did most of the time :oops: but I also waited at least 10 min each time before I dumped. I have no clue what will happen but if I don’t get a BFP this time, RepHresh will be the 1st thing I scale back on for sure!

Auroara, has AF come for you yet???

Rainbow, hoping that preg spell works and you get a speedy BFP...it sure can't hurt!

Mocha, YAY...AF is ending for you and you're on your way to O time...! Is your appt. tomorrow? Honestly, I think they'll tell you you're all clear. I really do!

GeCon, glad you're joining us here!

:wave: Hi, Zan! :cheer:

Amari, I really wish I was in Mexico on vay-cay right now! Hope you're having fun, Chica!

[auroara78]

AF came yesterday, as expected, but later in the evening! :cool:

I was very excited to see her show up, since I want to get moving back to TTC! LOL<I never thought I'd be happy to see AF, but i was getting very ticked yesterday evening cuz I just knew i wasn't pregnant and i didn't want her to show up late and delay my Christmas ovulation....

Lemon, last month my attempt included a full applicator of rephresh 2 days before a one time BD. I got BFNs at 10, 12, and 14 dpo and my period came as expected.

Am considering dropping the rephresh and just doing a one time attempt after I get a + OPK, so prob an attempt on Christmas Eve.

Rainbowflower, that is interesting about the girl spell!

[auroara78]

My thoughts on pros and cons:

Pros:
If i drop Rephresh, I am sure my chances of concieving will go way up and I am 90% sure I will concieve without rephresh.

Cons:
MY PH even with diet and supps (baby aspirin) usually lingers around 5's to mid 5's. Not sure I totally buy into ph theory, but I had some sense of calm about rephresh keeping everything nice and toasty at 4.5, though it irririated the heck out of me :( Thinking if I do rephresh, my chances of concieving may go down to 20%, or so.

So then I have to weigh and figure out how much do I just want to get pregnant now versus doing a stricter girl sway?

The other thing that's been on my mind lately is that I just really *feel* I will have a girl. I've had numerous dreams of her, of being told "girl" at ultrasound, then I got that reading from Itabu on IG who said she definitely felt girl for me. She also told me about issues DH and I have with money, and I never even mentioned that to her...she picked up on his indifference/reluctance to TTC too, and again I never mentioned those things, because I didn't even "see" his relcutance or have put it into words or thoughts until I read what she said! I'm only afriad feeling this way will relax me too much and weaken my sway.

But I just *knew* before I had DS2 he was going to be a boy. I mean, the night before the ultrasound, I felt it so deeply in my bones there was no doubt I was going to hear boy the next day and I did. I was 6 weeks pregnant with DS2 when I wrote in my journal "I just know this is going to be a boy" even though my DH was so sure it was going to be a girl, I kept telling him "boy"

What are ya'lls thoughts about motherly intitution?

[Out of the Blue]

AF came yesterday, as expected, but later in the evening! :cool:
YAY for AF!!!



prob an attempt on Christmas Eve.


Sounds like a great time to conceive your LO! :awe:

[Out of the Blue]

Auroara, you could maybe drop the RepHresh and use Sylk for a lube. It would probably up your chances of getting preg while still helping keep pH lower at the time you BD.



What are ya'lls thoughts about motherly intitution?

Well, I don't really trust myself most of the time. W/my last pregnancy which ultimately ended in a m/c, I was hopeful it was a girl but still had big doubts, especially b/c I conceived accidentally while off the sway. About a wk before she died, we heard that my blood work was unfavorable and we may in fact lose her (my blog tells the whole story). It was at that time, threatened by her impending loss, that I just knew she was a girl. I kept this feeling up until the doc who delivered me told me that she was in fact a girl. DH on the other hand knew she was a girl right from the beginning and kept telling me so throughout the pregnancy. I think that I have to be up against a wall and have all the other "noise" tuned out before I can really hear the truth from within. I'm not sure if how I wrote this makes sense but I do believe in intuition...but for me, I just have to tune everything else out (which is very hard to do b/c I'm just a noisy stress-ball).

[auroara78]

Jen, I read your blog and it made me cry, I feel sooo much for you, about losing your twins :(
But yeah, I do believe intiution is there, but it has to be focused on, or other things have to get tuned out
I'm not sure if what I'm experiencing is true intiution or just pure desire

My husband and I watch Tim Allen's new show "last man standing" and it's pretty funny for a sitcom, but on it he has 3 daughters, and there the middle daughter is like my husband's worse fear. She's really pretty but kind of vapid, airheaded, etc, and is always getting into some trouble which makes the show funny. But every Tuesay night we watch it, he has to remind me that is the kind of daughter he's "deathly afraid of."

He really is afraid of having a girl :( I just know if we had one he'd be completely in love with her and I think it would help "soften" him some...just as having the boys has taught me soooo much. I am sooooo in love and devoted to my boys, they have really opened my heart & mind.

[KraizyDaizy]

Jen, I read your blog and balled like a baby! I am so sorry for your loss. MAJOR girly VIBES your way!

[KraizyDaizy]

Auroara,
My DH is afraid of being a girl daddy too. He does not even want to change her diaper because he is so afraid of it. With our boys he is the best stay at home dad you could ever ask for, but something about having a girl just scares him. He wants one, but not sure he will be a good girl daddy. I think he will do great! I am sure mine and your DH will fit into the girl daddy role once she is here. pink vibes your way!!!

[KraizyDaizy]

Here is an update on me tell me what you ladies think:
I started regular OPK's yesterday and this AM I think I got a +OPK. I have a poll about it, if you want to look at the pic of it and cast your vote. What do you think I should do. I am CD17 with possible +OPK, but no PEAK on CBE monitor. I used a full applicator of RePhresh last night. My DH has not released since Saturday, so about 3-4 days abstaining (he is 40). My temp went up today to 98.38 which is the highest temp so far this cycle. I just don't know what is best for me at this point. I was basing my sway on my last cycle using my CBE monitor and FF, so this month my O might be sooner than I anticipated. Last cycle my coverline temp was 97.98. On CD19 and CD20 I got PEAK on CBE monitor, but did not use OPK's. CD21 was a HIGH on CBE monitor. If I use the Monitor setting on FF, I get my O as CD20 and changing to Advanced, I get my O as CD21. So, I was thinking I was heading that way again this month, but I started the OPK's and the RePhresh and I think I might have messed up any attempt this month????? Please help!!! What should I do to try for my girl this month? Remember I am coming from IG and the contradictions between the two sites is so hard to make decisions clearly, so any advice you all could give is so needed and appreciated!!!

Maybe I should start DTD tonight through O? I could use the RePHresh right with my attempts? How often, remember I used an applicator last night (cannot figure my CM today grrrh)? and do the JAD? But we are 37 and 40, and I have anemia 7.9, VitD deficient level 4, and my thyroid level is out of what too. Ideas pretty please?

[auroara78]

KrazeyDaisy,

your hubby is a stay at home Dad? Mine is hoping to be one in the year coming up because it makes finanically better sense (his job pays a lot less than mine) and I trust him to take care of our kids....that's funny about being afraid of girls, I think my husband woudl do great being a girl daddy.

I will have to look at your post! I'll let you know what I think!

[Jamie86]

Now I'm getting a little nervous about the rephresh that it might really hurt my chances of conceiving this month after reading more on here. We are fairly young (25) and conceived on the 1st try with both of our previous children. Really my only sway plan as of now is
-I'm eating fewer calories and trying to keep it low sugar/carb I don't eat breakfast (try not to eat until 11-12 but sometimes have a small snack at 10) and then try not to eat after 7-8 (depending on how things go with the kids sometimes I don't get a chance to eat until after 7)
-I take baby aspirin every other day
-RePHresh every 3 days from end of AF to O I've only done it once so far as today is 6 days since the end of AF
-Folic acid daily but no other vitamins
-Frequent release with DH we have missed one day and only one of those releasing was having sex and I have had one O since the end of AF but don't plan on anymore
-Plan to attempt 2DBO 1DBO and on O. But plan to have DH release once in the morning before attempt. Will also both have hot bath before.

How does this look? Any suggestions or do you think we are really hurting our chances of conceiving or not doing enough?

[Mochagirl]

Here is an update on me tell me what you ladies think:
I started regular OPK's yesterday and this AM I think I got a +OPK. I have a poll about it, if you want to look at the pic of it and cast your vote. What do you think I should do. I am CD17 with possible +OPK, but no PEAK on CBE monitor. I used a full applicator of RePhresh last night. My DH has not released since Saturday, so about 3-4 days abstaining (he is 40). My temp went up today to 98.38 which is the highest temp so far this cycle. I just don't know what is best for me at this point. I was basing my sway on my last cycle using my CBE monitor and FF, so this month my O might be sooner than I anticipated. Last cycle my coverline temp was 97.98. On CD19 and CD20 I got PEAK on CBE monitor, but did not use OPK's. CD21 was a HIGH on CBE monitor. If I use the Monitor setting on FF, I get my O as CD20 and changing to Advanced, I get my O as CD21. So, I was thinking I was heading that way again this month, but I started the OPK's and the RePhresh and I think I might have messed up any attempt this month????? Please help!!! What should I do to try for my girl this month? Remember I am coming from IG and the contradictions between the two sites is so hard to make decisions clearly, so any advice you all could give is so needed and appreciated!!!

Maybe I should start DTD tonight through O? I could use the RePHresh right with my attempts? How often, remember I used an applicator last night (cannot figure my CM today grrrh)? and do the JAD? But we are 37 and 40, and I have anemia 7.9, VitD deficient level 4, and my thyroid level is out of what too. Ideas pretty please?

If I were you, I'd start BD tonight and continue until a temp spike indicates O has happened. I would also either get your dh to do a compressed frequent release to lower his sperm count (4 days of abstinence isn't going to do that) or use a combination of rephresh (maybe 1/2 an applicator a day) and jump and dump and hope that does the trick. Personally, I wouldn't do all 3 or you might lower his sperm count too much - but it depends on how quickly you want to get pregnant.

Are you on the IG diet?

[Mochagirl]

So ladies, looks like af has reared her ugly head again - I thought she was gone, but she's come back :(. I do have that appointment tomorrow, but now I don't know if I should cancel since af may not be gone yet. Will they still be able to give me an all-clear if I'm still bleeding?

[Mochagirl]

Oh, and I said it in a PM, but YAYAYAYAYAYAY for O arriving, OutofTheBlue!!!! :pinksperm:

[Mochagirl]

Jamie - I think your attempt looks great!

[GeCon]

GeCon - I ordered this one: Fertility & Pregnancy Spell for a Daughter ~ Baby Girl | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fertility-Pregnancy-Spell-Daughter-Baby-Girl-/280487542381?pt=UK_Metaphysical_New_Age&var=&hash=item870adaef07)

she casts the spell and sends you the ring which you can wear (either all the time or infrequently, provided you wear or hold it now and again), there is a spell which you say and you do that 3 days in a row over your fertile time for 3 cycles in a row
if it doesn't work, you get your money back or a re-cast.... so seems like less risk to me!

Which one did you order as there are different ones?

[KraizyDaizy]

KrazeyDaisy,

your hubby is a stay at home Dad? Mine is hoping to be one in the year coming up because it makes finanically better sense (his job pays a lot less than mine) and I trust him to take care of our kids....that's funny about being afraid of girls, I think my husband woudl do great being a girl daddy.

I will have to look at your post! I'll let you know what I think!

Yep, my DH has been a stay at home dad since DS #2 was born and we have 4DS now. It was a decision we made due to the fact I had a local job and make more money. We would be using his income for daycare and so we decided he would stay at home. I do not have to worry about my children at all. Never have to drop them off crying or wonder if they are being taken care of. It works out so wonderfully for us. I hope your DH loves it as much as mine does.

[KraizyDaizy]

If I were you, I'd start BD tonight and continue until a temp spike indicates O has happened. I would also either get your dh to do a compressed frequent release to lower his sperm count (4 days of abstinence isn't going to do that) or use a combination of rephresh (maybe 1/2 an applicator a day) and jump and dump and hope that does the trick. Personally, I wouldn't do all 3 or you might lower his sperm count too much - but it depends on how quickly you want to get pregnant.

Are you on the IG diet?

What is a compressed frequent release? Should we use the 4 day abstinence sample or have him release that and then use the next batch?

If you would not do all three which would be the best chances of conceiving? I guess since I am using the RePHresh, I have to include that one. So the JAD or the compressed frequent release?

I am on the IG Diet, but not strict on it. Little to no salt, hardly ever eat sweets, never have breakfast, eat plain rice cakes all the time, on calcium and magnesium citrate, follic acid, not a big meat eater, low fat foods, and so on. I was strict in the beginning, but with 5 meat eaters, it was way too hard.

I am also thinking of using natural progestrone cream after I know I Oed. Maybe this might help?

[Jamie86]

Yep, my DH has been a stay at home dad since DS #2 was born and we have 4DS now. It was a decision we made due to the fact I had a local job and make more money. We would be using his income for daycare and so we decided he would stay at home. I do not have to worry about my children at all. Never have to drop them off crying or wonder if they are being taken care of. It works out so wonderfully for us. I hope your DH loves it as much as mine does.

That is awesome it is definitely nice to feel completely comfortable when away from your kids. Sometimes my DH jokes that he will become a stay at home dad when I'm a CPA and make good money. But I honestly don't think he could do it. He is wonderful with our kids but he is also a busy body who loves to spend money on anything and everything and would have to go somewhere at least once a day (and usually not a productive somewhere like the grocery store). It would probably end up costing us money for him to stay home. We had a big ice storm last January that kept everyone locked in their homes for nearly a week and I was fine because it didn't feel too different to me but he said he was going to go insane. That being said as of now I am very lucky because when I do work (it's be intermittent the last year) my sister watches me kids at our home so I don't have to leave them and I don't worry and DH get off of work at 2:30 each day.

[Mochagirl]

What is a compressed frequent release? Should we use the 4 day abstinence sample or have him release that and then use the next batch?

If you would not do all three which would be the best chances of conceiving? I guess since I am using the RePHresh, I have to include that one. So the JAD or the compressed frequent release?

I am on the IG Diet, but not strict on it. Little to no salt, hardly ever eat sweets, never have breakfast, eat plain rice cakes all the time, on calcium and magnesium citrate, follic acid, not a big meat eater, low fat foods, and so on. I was strict in the beginning, but with 5 meat eaters, it was way too hard.

I am also thinking of using natural progestrone cream after I know I Oed. Maybe this might help?

DH needs to abstain for 7-10 days for it to lower his sperm count enough to sway girl, which is why I recommended compressed frequent release. For that, you get dh to release as much as possible (2-3 times a day) for a day or two before your attempt. You could even just have him release twice first on the day you want to start BD, probably, if you want to get started. You can find more out here:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/2728-abstaining-frequent-release-mixing-cutoff-o-12-a.html

Lots of women get pregnant while doing frequent release, rephresh and jump and dump (check out Zanacal's successful girl sway for a good example), but for me I found I wasn't able to get pregnant until I dropped rephresh last time. I think that as you get older (DH and I are 37) it is possible to do too much to lower sperm count. If you're not in a rush to get pregnant and want a sway you can be proud of, do all 3 and maybe you'll get lucky. You can always drop something next month if you need to try again. For me, I'm definitely not going to do JAD this month, and I think if I use rephresh at all it will be sparingly.

I know nothing about natural progesterone cream, but hopefully someone else can help.

[KraizyDaizy]

That is awesome it is definitely nice to feel completely comfortable when away from your kids. Sometimes my DH jokes that he will become a stay at home dad when I'm a CPA and make good money. But I honestly don't think he could do it. He is wonderful with our kids but he is also a busy body who loves to spend money on anything and everything and would have to go somewhere at least once a day (and usually not a productive somewhere like the grocery store). It would probably end up costing us money for him to stay home. We had a big ice storm last January that kept everyone locked in their homes for nearly a week and I was fine because it didn't feel too different to me but he said he was going to go insane. That being said as of now I am very lucky because when I do work (it's be intermittent the last year) my sister watches me kids at our home so I don't have to leave them and I don't worry and DH get off of work at 2:30 each day.
You know my DH does go places every day. He has to shuttle our 4 DS's everywhere, and he does end up some days not making much progress on the housework, but he loves doing what he does. I am jealous a lot of the time too. I would love to stay home or at least I think so. We will see...maybe he will get a big paying job and I can stay home LOL!

[KraizyDaizy]

DH needs to abstain for 7-10 days for it to lower his sperm count enough to sway girl, which is why I recommended compressed frequent release. For that, you get dh to release as much as possible (2-3 times a day) for a day or two before your attempt. You could even just have him release twice first on the day you want to start BD, probably, if you want to get started. You can find more out here:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-conceive-girl/2728-abstaining-frequent-release-mixing-cutoff-o-12-a.html

Lots of women get pregnant while doing frequent release, rephresh and jump and dump (check out Zanacal's successful girl sway for a good example), but for me I found I wasn't able to get pregnant until I dropped rephresh last time. I think that as you get older (DH and I are 37) it is possible to do too much to lower sperm count. If you're not in a rush to get pregnant and want a sway you can be proud of, do all 3 and maybe you'll get lucky. You can always drop something next month if you need to try again. For me, I'm definitely not going to do JAD this month, and I think if I use rephresh at all it will be sparingly.

I know nothing about natural progesterone cream, but hopefully someone else can help.

We have been TTC for over 1 year and a half, with no luck. So I want to get pregnant like a year and a half ago LOL!!!

Well this is my first month with RePHresh. I tried Replens, but I think I used too much. So I thought with the 3 day window I would use less and not obsess with it as much. How much should I use since last night I used an applicator?

Can we still start tonight if DH releases many time before tonight? and the RePHresh I should not need that should I?

I might do all three and definitely check out Zanacal's sway. Is there a post to it?

[KraizyDaizy]

Oh, and guess what I am a Dream Member now!!! What does that involve? I get to see more posts? is there a chat room?

[Mochagirl]

Here's Zanacal's sway:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway/5408-zanacals-girl-sway-its-girl.html

IMHO, a pretty much perfect girl sway...at least according to the way we do things on this site (which, as you've noticed are different from IG).

Yes, I think you could safely start tonight if you get DH to release at least twice before you do. If you used a whole tube of Rephresh yesterday you probably don't need more, but you could always 'top up' with a fingerful now if you're worried. Some women also use a fingerful after their attempt, but I personally don't do that because I think in my case it's overkill.

Do you have any Sylk? You could always use that as a lube for your actual attempt as well. You might also want to pop an antihistamine (Benedryl or Zyrtec is recommended by atomic) if you have any EWCM. Good luck!

[auroara78]

Yay, KraizyDaisy about being a dream member!

I can thinking of becoming one, but not sure yet....advice?

KraizyDaisy, i think my hubs would love staying at home too, he hates his current job (retail) and they pay him so little, he wastes more money going out to eat every lunch and buying stuff at his work

Jaime, I think your attempt sounds AWESOME! Ladies do get pg on rephresh; however I'm not sure I'm one of them. I am a lil older too (both DH and I are 33, we were born two weeks apart, both Spring babies)

Mocha, that is weird that AF stopped and then resumed? If they will take you, I'd still go to your appt on Thurs to get checked out, to see what's going on

Jen, I'm so glad you're O'ing!!! :pinksperm:

[Jamie86]

You know my DH does go places every day. He has to shuttle our 4 DS's everywhere, and he does end up some days not making much progress on the housework, but he loves doing what he does. I am jealous a lot of the time too. I would love to stay home or at least I think so. We will see...maybe he will get a big paying job and I can stay home LOL!

Yeah it might be a little easier for him when our kids are old enough to have activities but being 3.5 and 1.5 there's not a long of things to do with them especially since my 3.5 year old has a developmental delay and some days it's really just not a good idea to go out. When I was working until 5 each day (didn't get home till 6:30 due to commute) and DH was getting home at 3 he would always take them somewhere but it was usually somewhere like the golf course with him, to a sporting goods or clothing store to shop (he's all man but shops like a woman he loves to but clothes too). That's great that your DH loves what he does, I would probably feel a little jealous too. Although going between working and staying home this year (Jan-April working May-July home August-October working November-Decmber home) I have seen the benefits of both and try to appreciate whichever phase I am in.

[Mochagirl]

Mocha, that is weird that AF stopped and then resumed? If they will take you, I'd still go to your appt on Thurs to get checked out, to see what's going on


I wouldn't say it actually stopped - it just got so light that I thought it had turned to spotting...but after a morning full of walking while Christmas shopping at the mall, I came home to find quite a bit on my pad. It was still only what I'd call 'light', but it was definitely too much for spotting. Since then, though, it seems to be easing up again.

I think I will keep that appointment tomorrow because with Christmas coming up so soon, my doc will probably be on holiday soon and I'll end up having to wait for ages for my results.

[KraizyDaizy]

Here's Zanacal's sway:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/add-your-girl-sway/5408-zanacals-girl-sway-its-girl.html

IMHO, a pretty much perfect girl sway...at least according to the way we do things on this site (which, as you've noticed are different from IG).

Yes, I think you could safely start tonight if you get DH to release at least twice before you do. If you used a whole tube of Rephresh yesterday you probably don't need more, but you could always 'top up' with a fingerful now if you're worried. Some women also use a fingerful after their attempt, but I personally don't do that because I think in my case it's overkill.

Do you have any Sylk? You could always use that as a lube for your actual attempt as well. You might also want to pop an antihistamine (Benedryl or Zyrtec is recommended by atomic) if you have any EWCM. Good luck!

Thanks so much for the link. I probably could have found it if I tried really hard.

Yep, I have to say this site is very different and in many ways better. I like knowing why I need to do something, not just go do this and it works LOL!

I have no Sylk, but I do have Replens. And I feeling like I was leaking (TMI), and went to the bathroom. It was water or fluid like fertile CM but not stretchy like EWCM. Maybe the RePHresh? but them I checked my cervix (High Med Soft) and oh my how gross. It's like really weird feeling in there and cottage cheese like (TMI) is that normal? I feel like I need to douche or rinse out somehow LOL!!!???? I cannot tell what my CM is doing now grrrh!! I think watery though?

[KraizyDaizy]

Yay, KraizyDaisy about being a dream member!

I can thinking of becoming one, but not sure yet....advice?

KraizyDaisy, i think my hubs would love staying at home too, he hates his current job (retail) and they pay him so little, he wastes more money going out to eat every lunch and buying stuff at his work

Jaime, I think your attempt sounds AWESOME! Ladies do get pg on rephresh; however I'm not sure I'm one of them. I am a lil older too (both DH and I are 33, we were born two weeks apart, both Spring babies)

Mocha, that is weird that AF stopped and then resumed? If they will take you, I'd still go to your appt on Thurs to get checked out, to see what's going on

Jen, I'm so glad you're O'ing!!! :pinksperm:

I tried to be a member on IG and even bought the membership that never reflected on my account. I got a refund many weeks later and was overjoyed to see that I could get one here that might actually work. I have not really looked to see what all I can see now that I am a member, but for all the wonderful information I have gotten so far $12.00 is certainly worth every penny!!!

Maybe you should give the stay at home dad thing a try. What could it hurt LOL!

[KraizyDaizy]

Yay, KraizyDaisy about being a dream member!

I can thinking of becoming one, but not sure yet....advice?

KraizyDaisy, i think my hubs would love staying at home too, he hates his current job (retail) and they pay him so little, he wastes more money going out to eat every lunch and buying stuff at his work

Jaime, I think your attempt sounds AWESOME! Ladies do get pg on rephresh; however I'm not sure I'm one of them. I am a lil older too (both DH and I are 33, we were born two weeks apart, both Spring babies)

Mocha, that is weird that AF stopped and then resumed? If they will take you, I'd still go to your appt on Thurs to get checked out, to see what's going on

Jen, I'm so glad you're O'ing!!! :pinksperm:

I tried to be a member on IG and even bought the membership that never reflected on my account. I got a refund many weeks later and was overjoyed to see that I could get one here that might actually work. I have not really looked to see what all I can see now that I am a member, but for all the wonderful information I have gotten so far $12.00 is certainly worth every penny!!!

Maybe you should give the stay at home dad thing a try. What could it hurt LOL!

[Mochagirl]

Yeah, rephresh will really change your cm. That chunky stuff you're finding is totally normal. BTW, I'm fairly sure atomic warns against using rephresh AND replens as I think the two together can make your ph skyrocket.

[KnockYourBallsOff]

Krazy Daisy....I just started using the Rephresh and the same cottage cheese discharge started for me too. I think it could be yeast. I'm wondering if either the represh lowered of elevated my ph so much is caused an infection? I don't have ph strips yet, so I don't know.

Interested in hearing what others have today.

[KraizyDaizy]

Yeah, rephresh will really change your cm. That chunky stuff you're finding is totally normal. BTW, I'm fairly sure atomic warns against using rephresh AND replens as I think the two together can make your ph skyrocket.

I will not mix them then for sure LOL! That would be terrible to raise the PH LOL!!! Thanks for the heads up on that!

[KraizyDaizy]

Krazy Daisy....I just started using the Rephresh and the same cottage cheese discharge started for me too. I think it could be yeast. I'm wondering if either the represh lowered of elevated my ph so much is caused an infection? I don't have ph strips yet, so I don't know.

Interested in hearing what others have today.

Oh I just love your name!!! I am hoping the PH is 4.5 like I read in the post about Replens and RePHresh that is supposed to raise or lower PH to the magic number of 4.5. I am guessing we just leave the cottage cheese in there?

[KnockYourBallsOff]

KrazyDaizy....I'm already sticking rephresh, a bbt thermometer, a penis...and possibly a lime tampon!!!! LOL!!! I am not sticking a hand up to reach out the cottage cheese. I guess as long as the ph is spot on, it's ok. Are you testing w/ PH strips? Our attempt isn't until April...I'm going to start tracking PH in January.

[KraizyDaizy]

KrazyDaizy....I'm already sticking rephresh, a bbt thermometer, a penis...and possibly a lime tampon!!!! LOL!!! I am not sticking a hand up to reach out the cottage cheese. I guess as long as the ph is spot on, it's ok. Are you testing w/ PH strips? Our attempt isn't until April...I'm going to start tracking PH in January.

Oh, I am laughing so hard LOL! I wasn't really thinking of a douche or something to get it out LOL. I did the lime tampon early on and it was a disaster. I do not recommend them at all.

I have a Hannah tester, but we moved, and for the life of me, I cannot find it grrrhh! I have previously tested and my PH was in the low 5 range.

[KnockYourBallsOff]

What exactly was disastrous about the lime tampon?

[KraizyDaizy]

What exactly was disastrous about the lime tampon?

On IG there was no notation that you should use the OB tampons the ones with no applicator. I just used the plastic one and make the solution soaked it and when it came time to get the applicator off, it would not budge. I had to try and use scissors to get it off, then squish is small enough to get it inside me. It hurt and did not fit right. I could hardly get it in, but I did wear if for as long as I could. My VG got really burned/irritated that cycle. I did not try lime again. I am not sure how they say to make them on this site. Hopefully this site has better information on it. Best of luck with it if you choose to try it, I would practice and not wait till u actually DTD to put one in LOL! I was so mad!!!

[zanacal]

Hi ladies, I've had lots to catch up on so I'm going to jump straight back in with the couple of things I can remember!

Rephresh is fine with Replens, Aci-jel and Sylk but shouldn't be used with lime or vinegar. The discharge is a reaction that some get when they first use it (it even says on the instructions that it might happen) but should get better the more you use it - imo this is a good reason to use it every 3 days after AF rather than waiting until your attempt.

[Mochagirl]

Thanks for clarifying, Z - I don't know why I thought you couldn't use rephresh and replens together. I must have been confusing it with lime. Good thing you mentioned that, though, since some of the ladies here were planning to use lime.

[KraizyDaizy]

Hi ladies, I've had lots to catch up on so I'm going to jump straight back in with the couple of things I can remember!

Rephresh is fine with Replens, Aci-jel and Sylk but shouldn't be used with lime or vinegar. The discharge is a reaction that some get when they first use it (it even says on the instructions that it might happen) but should get better the more you use it - imo this is a good reason to use it every 3 days after AF rather than waiting until your attempt.

Thanks for clarifying. How would you use the RePHresh in relation to the Replens? So no need to do any kind of douche to remove the little bits hanging around in there? I am just thinking that this would be a barrier to the swimmers LOL!!!

[zanacal]

It may well be a barrier to the swimmers but that's the idea - lower sperm numbers = pink!

I used Aci-jel with Rephresh which is kind of the same thing - I did Rephresh every 3 days in the morning and used Aci-jel closer to my attempt. You could use a finger tip of Replens an hour or so before your attempt. I actually used 1/4 applicator of Aci-jel around 7 hours before our attempt because our attempt was first thing in the morning.

[KraizyDaizy]

It may well be a barrier to the swimmers but that's the idea - lower sperm numbers = pink!

I used Aci-jel with Rephresh which is kind of the same thing - I did Rephresh every 3 days in the morning and used Aci-jel closer to my attempt. You could use a finger tip of Replens an hour or so before your attempt. I actually used 1/4 applicator of Aci-jel around 7 hours before our attempt because our attempt was first thing in the morning.

Thanks so much, I might you a little Replens then. Thanks so much for all your help!!!

[lemon2012]

Hi swayers,
KD....omg, we are in the same boat it seems!
I have a feeling I might o tomorrow which is really early. The vitex is changing my symptoms!

What are you doing to do?
Last month we did the same as you and we had a BFN.
We had a 3 day abstain and then we did FR and dtd as well with rephresh. It was overkill. We also did shallow and J and D.
It was too much and nothing!

So, this month so far we have abstained...too busy and DH is not a releaser....he was waiting for me to decide!
Problem is...if I o tomorrow and I have abstained.....that is more boy friendly right?

I used rephresh last night like KD...not all of it but a lot.
Does that come out the next day and look like EWCM?
My mon did not peak...but the CBFM looks like it is even.....which is usually around peak!
I have one OPK left so I am not sure if I should use it or not!
What to do????
I am sick so I am not thinking clearly!

KD we have to help each other...time is ticking...!

PS: Dh is 39 and I am 37!
Which country are you in?

[lemon2012]

Zan..not sure if you are still up being prego and in England!
But, just wondering if I should go ahead and dtd tonight when DH has abstained for 7-10 days and I used rephresh last night.
I ran out of OPKS so I am going by my o pains...pretty strong actually.
I have EWCM but could that be represh?
I ran out of replens!
I took an advil cold and sinus (the word with p and h...cant remember it now) and last night took some with antihistamine bc I am sick.
What to do?
Wait a day?
Go for it?
UGH!
I am too old for this:(

KD...did you sway too hard for a year? Is that what is going on?
What are you going to do?

FR ? FBD?

Oh, and one more thing...should I go for it once or keep going?
Should DH release first?

He is out at work until later so now I have time to get stressed out?
If I use more rephresh how much should I use?

[maybeoneday]

I am not Zan (but I am in the England!) and I say go for it! You have more than enough abstaining to have reduced sperm count and I don't think that timing really matters.

Don't get stressed and I wouldn't dump the first batch, I would just go for it.

I also think the rephresh you used last night should be enough.

Good luck with what you decide and relax! xx

[lemon2012]

Is this dumb...can I suddenly ovulate on cd 10 out of the blue?
Maybe out of the blue can help..lol!
I guess I am just rushing to conclusions bc my symptoms are all over the place. I am probably perimenopausal!

If anyone knows you can go from cd 12 to cd 10 bc of vitex...can you let me know. It seems really early to me!

[lemon2012]

THANKS maybe!
How are you...I have not seen any posts for a bit...or maybe I am just getting confused!

I am not even sure if I am jumping to conclusions...how can I possibly o on cd 10????
I do know with DS 2 I conceived on cd 8 with weeks of abstain...lol, DS 1 was 11 mos old!
So, of course...I would try the exact same thing!!!

So no more rephresh?
Anyone else...opinions?
Could I possibly be oing this early..or is the rephresh creating this lubey EWCM.....!?

Either way,....gotta get prego!
This swaying is driving me wild!

thanks for the help maybe!

Didnt you do every other day???

[KraizyDaizy]

THANKS maybe!
How are you...I have not seen any posts for a bit...or maybe I am just getting confused!

I am not even sure if I am jumping to conclusions...how can I possibly o on cd 10????
I do know with DS 2 I conceived on cd 8 with weeks of abstain...lol, DS 1 was 11 mos old!
So, of course...I would try the exact same thing!!!

So no more rephresh?
Anyone else...opinions?
Could I possibly be oing this early..or is the rephresh creating this lubey EWCM.....!?

Either way,....gotta get prego!
This swaying is driving me wild!

thanks for the help maybe!

Didnt you do every other day???

I had a big blob of what seemed EWCM this morning after using RePHresh for the first time last night, so it could be that? I also used my Diva to see if I could collect any CM, and all I could get was the cottage cheese stuff.

I am thinking I won't use the Replens tonight especially if RePhresh is supposed to work for 72 hours, I think it might be overkill. Or maybe I am wrong???????

[KraizyDaizy]

Zan..not sure if you are still up being prego and in England!
But, just wondering if I should go ahead and dtd tonight when DH has abstained for 7-10 days and I used rephresh last night.
I ran out of OPKS so I am going by my o pains...pretty strong actually.
I have EWCM but could that be represh?
I ran out of replens!
I took an advil cold and sinus (the word with p and h...cant remember it now) and last night took some with antihistamine bc I am sick.
What to do?
Wait a day?
Go for it?
UGH!
I am too old for this:(

KD...did you sway too hard for a year? Is that what is going on?
What are you going to do?

FR ? FBD?

Oh, and one more thing...should I go for it once or keep going?
Should DH release first?

He is out at work until later so now I have time to get stressed out?
If I use more rephresh how much should I use?

I too had the EWCM this morning, but when I tried to collect with my Diva, I got none, just the cottage cheese stuff, so who knows at this point. Have you tried to collect some CM in a cup?

[KraizyDaizy]

Zan..not sure if you are still up being prego and in England!
But, just wondering if I should go ahead and dtd tonight when DH has abstained for 7-10 days and I used rephresh last night.
I ran out of OPKS so I am going by my o pains...pretty strong actually.
I have EWCM but could that be represh?
I ran out of replens!
I took an advil cold and sinus (the word with p and h...cant remember it now) and last night took some with antihistamine bc I am sick.
What to do?
Wait a day?
Go for it?
UGH!
I am too old for this:(

KD...did you sway too hard for a year? Is that what is going on?
What are you going to do?

FR ? FBD?

Oh, and one more thing...should I go for it once or keep going?
Should DH release first?

He is out at work until later so now I have time to get stressed out?
If I use more rephresh how much should I use?

I had researched the Shettles method and was trying that for the first 6 months of TTC, then the last year I found the o+12 theory on IG and started to sway pretty hard at first, but got burnt out on the diet. Now I have found this site and feel like there is new hope for my PINK dream.

My DH released once today so far after 4 days abstaining. He is going to again shortly and we will DTD later tonight. Not sure about the Replens in addition to the RePHresh last night? Think it might be overkill? Might JAD though.

[KraizyDaizy]

Hi swayers,
KD....omg, we are in the same boat it seems!
I have a feeling I might o tomorrow which is really early. The vitex is changing my symptoms!

What are you doing to do?
Last month we did the same as you and we had a BFN.
We had a 3 day abstain and then we did FR and dtd as well with rephresh. It was overkill. We also did shallow and J and D.
It was too much and nothing!

So, this month so far we have abstained...too busy and DH is not a releaser....he was waiting for me to decide!
Problem is...if I o tomorrow and I have abstained.....that is more boy friendly right?

I used rephresh last night like KD...not all of it but a lot.
Does that come out the next day and look like EWCM?
My mon did not peak...but the CBFM looks like it is even.....which is usually around peak!
I have one OPK left so I am not sure if I should use it or not!
What to do????
I am sick so I am not thinking clearly!

KD we have to help each other...time is ticking...!

PS: Dh is 39 and I am 37!
Which country are you in?

Well I am in the USA and agree we have to help each other and time is so ticking!!
We are practically twins lemon12 with our ages.
I would use OPK in the AM like I did today. I got no +OPKs yesterday, but today I have gotten 3 about 4 hours apart. My mon is not showing PEAK yet either, but mine is not even yet though like yours.

[lemon2012]

um, so do you think I will o tomorrow? Is that ridiculously early and even possible? Wouldn't I have to have the world's shortest cycle????

Hmm, if you have him release again ask him how much it spurts....this is totally TMI, but maybe one thing that went wrong last month was that DH released and then we dtd two hours later...it basically spurted a bit but did not propel iykwim......so, if you j and d, don't have him release again. If you want to lay there and go deep then maybe...but that is a lot! Is he super sperm ma? Maybe...lol, you have 4 boys right!? You started younger than me though:( I had one in 2006 and one in 2008...but really it was almost 4 years ago!
So, you have to count on that as well...right.??? we both do!

If I dtd tonight and I o tomorrow????what do you think?
total boy zone!
UGH!

You are definitely gearing up to o...when did you start cbfm?
Mine did not show peak last month bc I peaked so early!

oh, and PS....1 year of shettles under my belt....so embarrassing!
Seriously, how old are we.... lol!
We have tried the 3 day cut off and only managed 4 or so.....and then we got closer but really made it impossible..douching, shallow, etc
So, there goes a year of buidling up to this,...if I was going to have another boy I would have just dtd whenever a year ago! ugh!

(i pushed a button and now my question mark does not work...sorry, cant use it though!)

[Mochagirl]

lemon - I think it's possible to O on CD10. I'd love it if I O'd that early this cycle - it would mean we could get all our attempts in before our trip next week!

[KraizyDaizy]

um, so do you think I will o tomorrow? Is that ridiculously early and even possible? Wouldn't I have to have the world's shortest cycle????

Hmm, if you have him release again ask him how much it spurts....this is totally TMI, but maybe one thing that went wrong last month was that DH released and then we dtd two hours later...it basically spurted a bit but did not propel iykwim......so, if you j and d, don't have him release again. If you want to lay there and go deep then maybe...but that is a lot! Is he super sperm ma? Maybe...lol, you have 4 boys right!? You started younger than me though:( I had one in 2006 and one in 2008...but really it was almost 4 years ago!
So, you have to count on that as well...right.??? we both do!

If I dtd tonight and I o tomorrow????what do you think?
total boy zone!
UGH!

You are definitely gearing up to o...when did you start cbfm?
Mine did not show peak last month bc I peaked so early!

oh, and PS....1 year of shettles under my belt....so embarrassing!
Seriously, how old are we.... lol!
We have tried the 3 day cut off and only managed 4 or so.....and then we got closer but really made it impossible..douching, shallow, etc
So, there goes a year of buidling up to this,...if I was going to have another boy I would have just dtd whenever a year ago! ugh!

(i pushed a button and now my question mark does not work...sorry, cant use it though!)

Do you have a FF chart I could look at? U could O tomorrow, but unfortunately you really don't know till your temp shifts 3 times upward.

Boy zone is on O day I think.

I would have had another boy I think by now as well, so this swaying at least makes me feel like I am helping the process of getting a girl, even though my faith tells me that the Lord will bless me with what He thinks I should have.

[lemon2012]

I know....at least the wait is over!
but the only time I od this early was with ds 2!
and that was prob the first time I od ever on my own...since I had to use clomid for ds 1
Dh does not want to do it and ruin abstinence..he is so on board he is ridiculous like me!
I keep thinking wht are the odds i am oing!
stupid o pains!

hope everyone else is well..christmas is coming....and sometimes that means stress... and fun!

[lemon2012]

no, i dont have ff...do you have to pay (question mark)
I think i tried to sign up once and it remembered my email but I dont know the password!
I think my temp spiked last month on cd 13 or 14 depending on when you start counting
Some months my temp diff is not evident...and actually, i think i sometimes have a delayed spike of 2 days!

it is hard to want something so bad isnt it!
what are you doing tonight kd

[KraizyDaizy]

no, i dont have ff...do you have to pay (question mark)
I think i tried to sign up once and it remembered my email but I dont know the password!
I think my temp spiked last month on cd 13 or 14 depending on when you start counting
Some months my temp diff is not evident...and actually, i think i sometimes have a delayed spike of 2 days!

it is hard to want something so bad isnt it!
what are you doing tonight kd

check your PM

[Mochagirl]

Woohoo! AF is finally gone this morning and my cervix is starting to soften up. I'm going to start OPKs today! DH has released the past 2 nights, so I think I'll try to make him keep that up. If we can manage a strong frequent release (7+ days), I think I'll give rephresh a pass. Atomic was just posting in the members only section this morning suggesting that antihistamines might actually sway better than rephresh anyway and for some people the combination of the two can make it too hard to get pregnant.

[auroara78]

Lemon, I think with you being sick, that woudl sway girl, so i would go for it!!

KD, yuck on the cottage cheese :(

Mocha, I LOVE the idea! I need to become a dream member! Because of what rephresh did to my area last month, I am thinking of dropping it and using antihistime to "dry" me up and then maybe use a little bit of sylk to help? (the one month I used zyrtec it dried me up so much that hubby was having a hard time with...you know....) Would love opinions on the new plan!

[Mochagirl]

I think your plan sounds good, auroara. If rephresh causes you so much trouble, I say forget it and focus instead on diet and antihistamines.

[littlemissnaughty7]

hi ladies just wondered if any of you drink crystal light and if you do does it matter what flavour you drink for ttc pink x

[Out of the Blue]

:holysheep: this thread is so busy and I can't keep up, lol!!! I'm going to do what I can in the time I have!

[Out of the Blue]

Jen, I read your blog and it made me cry, I feel sooo much for you, about losing your twins :(
But yeah, I do believe intuition is there, but it has to be focused on, or other things have to get tuned out
I'm not sure if what I'm experiencing is true intuition or just pure desire
:HH: Thx, Auroara. I wrote it to kind of get things out of my system and try to move on.

Regarding intuition, well said! I think it’s there for everyone as long as we tune out all the other noise! Hoping you’re truly just feeling your impending little girl. I’m not sure if you know about DoulaMama’s story or not but she was putting off TTC b/c she really wanted to go to a Doula conference next spring so she book all the tix (even plane tix!), then she had a dream of a little girl telling her, “Don’t go!!!”…Doula was thinking to herself, “Who are you and don’t go where???” then a wk or so later, she got a surprise BFP! I truly believe it was her little girl telling her not to book those tix b/c she would be born around that time. A few wks ago, Doula found out she indeed is expecting a GIRL next April!


My husband and I watch Tim Allen's new show "last man standing" and it's pretty funny for a sitcom, but on it he has 3 daughters, and there the middle daughter is like my husband's worse fear. She's really pretty but kind of vapid, airheaded, etc, and is always getting into some trouble which makes the show funny. But every Tuesay night we watch it, he has to remind me that is the kind of daughter he's "deathly afraid of."

He really is afraid of having a girl :( I just know if we had one he'd be completely in love with her and I think it would help "soften" him some...just as having the boys has taught me soooo much. I am sooooo in love and devoted to my boys, they have really opened my heart & mind.

I’ve never seen that show (and will now have to watch it, lol) but I’m w/your hubbie! I’m so scared that once I get my wish, she’ll turn into something like that! I’m quite sure your DH will be smitten w/your sweet girl when he sees her for the first time. His heart will be stolen for life!!!

[Out of the Blue]

KrazyDaizy....I'm already sticking rephresh, a bbt thermometer, a penis...and possibly a lime tampon!!!! LOL!!! I am not sticking a hand up to reach out the cottage cheese.

:rofl:
The first few times I used RepHresh, I got the curds as well. I just left 'em up there and I think they went away. After I was using RepHresh for a few days, I stopped getting more curds.

[Out of the Blue]

hi ladies just wondered if any of you drink crystal light and if you do does it matter what flavour you drink for ttc pink x

Don't think the flavor would matter at all! I don't drink it but it is great for a girl sway! :agree:

[KraizyDaizy]

Lemon, I think with you being sick, that woudl sway girl, so i would go for it!!

KD, yuck on the cottage cheese :(

Mocha, I LOVE the idea! I need to become a dream member! Because of what rephresh did to my area last month, I am thinking of dropping it and using antihistime to "dry" me up and then maybe use a little bit of sylk to help? (the one month I used zyrtec it dried me up so much that hubby was having a hard time with...you know....) Would love opinions on the new plan!

It seems better this am with little to no CG auroara. I think I will eliminate RePhresh and Replens all together.

[littlemissnaughty7]

ok thanks hun,

[Out of the Blue]

Yesterday afternoon, I got another +OPK and it was an even stronger line than the previous day. I got an additional temp spike this early a.m. so I'm pretty sure I O'd yesterday or early today sometime. I put more RepHresh in yesterday a.m. and we BD again last night to give it one last shot. I came :oops: but at least he'd not come yet. No regrets...just hoping I get preg!

I think some of you were asking what I did w/my sway. My chart below shows a lot. I don't do many things including checking pH, low dose aspirin or SP b/c I'm still BF (6-8x a day). I have been taking Vitex since late Oct. I've been doing the LE diet and skipping breakfast for about a month or so and also drinking Peppermint tea. DH has been taking just a bit of Lic Root and cranberry tabs and began to release when AF was here and once it stopped, we began our BD marathon. Although RePhresh lasts 72 hrs, I've been using a bit almost every a.m. and BD almost every night. We've also been using Sylk. B/c I've had EWCM, been doing a LOT of BD and I think I'm pretty fertile, I chose to use RepHresh/Sylk so frequently. I have no idea what'll come of this but if there's no BFP this time, I'll scale back on the RepHresh for sure. I know I have a really weird sway...just felt right so I went w/it :p

[auroara78]

KD, I think Rephresh can be good, but I don't think I'm gonna get pg with it very fast, so I'm becoming more sure about dropping it....

And Jen, I have the same kind of fear. You know that old saying "be careful waht you wish for"? What if the little girl I dream about so much ends up breaking my heart? I'm hoping, if given a chance to have a girl, to raise her right and teach her the right things, but still it does concern me a little. Oh well, I am just going to stay focused on the postives of having a girl!

[auroara78]

One of my students (I work in a career college as a librarian) and I were talking and she's on her 7th pregnancy. She had G G B G B G and this pregnacny is B. I asked her since she had so many kids if she did anything differently with them, eat different foods, worked out, etc etc, and she said to me that she's never changed her habits or her behaviors. Although I am assuming that there are different fathers at play for some of them, she swears up and down that nothing noticeable changed with her. She is on the heavy side as well.

She says she's going to try to have 3 more :holysheep:

Anyway, obviously this is not conclusive, because she may have been doing minorly different things and not have paid any mind, but her theory was that sex selection was very random and a "luck of the draw" kind of thing.

Obviously, I believe swaying can help, but it just drives me crazy to think about how little we still really know why a certain sperm gets the egg, you know?

[Out of the Blue]

And Jen, I have the same kind of fear. You know that old saying "be careful waht you wish for"? What if the little girl I dream about so much ends up breaking my heart? I'm hoping, if given a chance to have a girl, to raise her right and teach her the right things, but still it does concern me a little. Oh well, I am just going to stay focused on the postives of having a girl!

Yep...it freaks me out sometimes but I think just trying to get a picture in my head of what I want my daughter to be like helps put my fears to rest. You're right! If we raise her right, she'll be a gem! I really believe that! Keep thinking positive and creating your daughter in your head! She'll be on her way to you soon! :HH:

[auroara78]

Jen, I think your sway sounds awesome! I really love this website and the freedom it gives about making the sway plan that works best for you. Because of the end of the day, each woman has to feel good about what she did to sway.

[Out of the Blue]

Jen, I read your blog and balled like a baby! I am so sorry for your loss. MAJOR girly VIBES your way!

Thank you! Back at ya! :HH: and :pinksperm: :cheer:

[Out of the Blue]

Obviously, I believe swaying can help, but it just drives me crazy to think about how little we still really know why a certain sperm gets the egg, you know?

I know!!! Yesterday I had a horrifying thought. You know how keeping blood sugar sways girl? What if it's just the blood sugar at the time of conception? Like if you eat all the time but just happen to eat a light dinner and your BS is low, pop an egg in the a.m. before you get a chance to eat breakfast and voila...normally you would have gotten a boy but b/c your BS happened to be low at the time, you got a girl! I was kind of freaked out to eat dinner last night when I was thinking about this (but I ate!). I'm sure it cannot work this way but I'm always thinking of things like this b/c we just don't have the answers!

[Jamie86]

One of my students (I work in a career college as a librarian) and I were talking and she's on her 7th pregnancy. She had G G B G B G and this pregnacny is B. I asked her since she had so many kids if she did anything differently with them, eat different foods, worked out, etc etc, and she said to me that she's never changed her habits or her behaviors. Although I am assuming that there are different fathers at play for some of them, she swears up and down that nothing noticeable changed with her. She is on the heavy side as well.

She says she's going to try to have 3 more :holysheep:

Anyway, obviously this is not conclusive, because she may have been doing minorly different things and not have paid any mind, but her theory was that sex selection was very random and a "luck of the draw" kind of thing.

Obviously, I believe swaying can help, but it just drives me crazy to think about how little we still really know why a certain sperm gets the egg, you know?


Wow I would love to have that many kids but I'd want to be able to support them (financially and emotionally) comfortably and I'm just worried I couldn't. I have a friend that had 5 girls and then 2 boys the first two girls were from two different fathers and then the remaining 5 (3 girls 2 boys) were all from the same (a 3rd) father. I was her nanny and lived with her for a few years, she is very thin and eats very little and not nutritional things either. She would go a whole day with just eating some chocolate cake and drinking like 6 dr peppers. I really don't know what would have changed between the girls and the boys. My doula with my last pregnancy has 11 kids she had 4 girls then 2 boys then 4 more girls and then a boy. So thats 8 girls 3 boys. She is a very healthy eater and fairly average size. She never tried to sway in any way so I guess it really is just luck of the draw the majority of the time. Almost forget my mother in law also had 6 girls and then 1 boy at the end it's crazy how it all works out.

[Mochagirl]

Don't think the flavor would matter at all! I don't drink it but it is great for a girl sway! :agree:

I think atomic once said any flavour but the iced tea ones are good choices (maybe because they have caffeine?). My favourite is the raspberry ice!

[Mochagirl]

Jen, I think your sway sounds awesome! I really love this website and the freedom it gives about making the sway plan that works best for you. Because of the end of the day, each woman has to feel good about what she did to sway.

I agree completely! I was a longtime IG member before coming here, and swayed for ds3 while on that site. I found there there's a lot less flexibility about what makes a good sway. Basically, it's Tamara's way or the highway (not to criticize Tamara, who really is lovely and works very hard to help the women on that site). I'm just happier here were we're encouraged to find the best sway *for us*.

[Mochagirl]

I know!!! Yesterday I had a horrifying thought. You know how keeping blood sugar sways girl? What if it's just the blood sugar at the time of conception? Like if you eat all the time but just happen to eat a light dinner and your BS is low, pop an egg in the a.m. before you get a chance to eat breakfast and voila...normally you would have gotten a boy but b/c your BS happened to be low at the time, you got a girl! I was kind of freaked out to eat dinner last night when I was thinking about this (but I ate!). I'm sure it cannot work this way but I'm always thinking of things like this b/c we just don't have the answers!

Atomic addressed this specifically recently - someone was asking whether it would be better to BD in the morning when out blood sugar is lowest. She said it doesn't matter whether you've just eaten when you BD. I'll try to find the thread and post a link if I'm successful. So....don't worry - you had an awesome sway, Jen!

[Mochagirl]

Found it!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7039-nightime-snacking-bad-ttc-pink.html

Read through the thread for atomic's response.

[Out of the Blue]

Atomic addressed this specifically recently - someone was asking whether it would be better to BD in the morning when out blood sugar is lowest. She said it doesn't matter whether you've just eaten when you BD. I'll try to find the thread and post a link if I'm successful. So....don't worry - you had an awesome sway, Jen!

Thx!!! I always am over-thinking things, especially when it comes to swaying :worry: Phew! I just need to relax now, lol.

[KraizyDaizy]

How long can you get +OPKs? I am still getting them as of my last around 1:30 today. See pic. Does this mean I have not Oed yet? Maybe this is why there is no PEAK on my fertility monitor?947

[Jamie86]

How long can you get +OPKs? I am still getting them as of my last around 1:30 today. See pic. Does this mean I have not Oed yet? Maybe this is why there is no PEAK on my fertility monitor?947

I had this question last cycle as I had 4 days of positive OPKs so I would like to see what you find out. I know it is probably somewhere in the thread but how many days of positives have you had?

[Mochagirl]

I'm back from my u/s, and the tech says my uterus looks clear! The doctor will still look at the results, so it's possible she's wrong, but I'm really feeling hopeful. This u/s place was sooooooo much better - they took me immediately, no waiting - even though I'd brought the wrong requisition with me (I mistakenly picked up my old, unused NT requisition from the midwives when leaving for my appointment). My tech was sympathetic and chatted with me the whole time about my m/c - she had two herself so she really understood. She agreed that the other place I go has nasty techs (remember I told you all about how when I went literally hours after my m/c the woman didn't say 'I'm sorry' even once and just yelled at me for not having a full bladder??) - she said she used to work there and quit because she hated her co-workers. I'm definitely asking my midwives to only send me to this new place with my next pregnancy. As an added bonus - they do the bloodwork right there too!

[Mochagirl]

Oh, I forgot to mention the new hitch in my plan. My BIL has just announced that he might be getting married next October 6th! If I get my BFP this cycle, my DD will be something like September 15th, so I'll be still be ballooned up and feeling like crap when the wedding rolls around. All I need is a ton of family pictures recording those first weeks postpartum when you have no sleep and tons of weight to lose! Oh well, a BFP this cycle would be worth it! :luck:

[Jamie86]

That's awesome I've dealt with rude U/S techs and I can't imagine dealing with them while also going through such a hard time. But I'm glad you had a good experience this time. And I think you're definitely right a BFP would be well worth the pics (although I'm sure you'll look great even still)!

[Out of the Blue]

Oh, I forgot to mention the new hitch in my plan. My BIL has just announced that he might be getting married next October 6th! If I get my BFP this cycle, my DD will be something like September 15th, so I'll be still be ballooned up and feeling like crap when the wedding rolls around. All I need is a ton of family pictures recording those first weeks postpartum when you have no sleep and tons of weight to lose! Oh well, a BFP this cycle would be worth it! :luck:

Your baby comes first! :cool: No worries!!!

[Out of the Blue]

I'm back from my u/s, and the tech says my uterus looks clear! The doctor will still look at the results, so it's possible she's wrong, but I'm really feeling hopeful. This u/s place was sooooooo much better - they took me immediately, no waiting - even though I'd brought the wrong requisition with me (I mistakenly picked up my old, unused NT requisition from the midwives when leaving for my appointment). My tech was sympathetic and chatted with me the whole time about my m/c - she had two herself so she really understood. She agreed that the other place I go has nasty techs (remember I told you all about how when I went literally hours after my m/c the woman didn't say 'I'm sorry' even once and just yelled at me for not having a full bladder??) - she said she used to work there and quit because she hated her co-workers. I'm definitely asking my midwives to only send me to this new place with my next pregnancy. As an added bonus - they do the bloodwork right there too!

Yep!!! You're on your way, girlie!!! BTW, that's such a relief that you found that new place...I'd take that as a positive sign of more good things to come... :HH:

[Out of the Blue]

I just got another +OPK...?!?!? I thought I'd O'd already b/c of the temp shift. This is like the never ending O...Will I ever officially make it to the 2ww lol!?!

[Mochagirl]

Jen - I'm fairly sure I've gotten +OPKs for a few days after I O before. I say keep BD-ing just in case, but I think you'll probably get your crosshairs tomorrow.

[Out of the Blue]

Yeah...that's the plan...we're used to it by now and it'll be weird to scale back...Guess we don't have to and now I can have big O's :cool: I'm just so happy I didn't scare my O away!!!

[auroara78]

Yay, Jen, keep that BD'ing up!

I once had + OPKs for 7 days in a row, it was annoying! I don't think I ever O'ed that cycle either, it was one of my first cycles after having DS2.

Mocha, I understand how you feel about the possible wedding and being postpartam! But having your baby is soooo worth it!!

I am so hoping we all get to be Due Date Buddies!

[auroara78]

Jaime, have you O'ed yet or about to O soon? I lost track, sorry :)

[zanacal]

I'm happy to hear a positive update Mocha - and I'm so pleased you found a sympathetic technician and a better place to go for your future scans. You were treated appallingly by the other place after your m/c x

[Jamie86]

Jaime, have you O'ed yet or about to O soon? I lost track, sorry :)

I'm on CD10 so I should be O'ing within the next week or so. I have a cycle that varies so I'm never exactly sure, my last two cycles have been kind of long but I had also been really stressed (taking my CPA exam) so I think that might have delayed O. But right now I have a little cold, all stuffed up so I'm not sure if that is going to affect me but we shall see. I started doing OPKs yesterday and they have very visible 2 lines that seems like it could be a start to a fade in (todays was just slightly darker than yesterdays) then again sometimes they stay "almost positive" for a while so who knows.

[Mochagirl]

I'm happy to hear a positive update Mocha - and I'm so pleased you found a sympathetic technician and a better place to go for your future scans. You were treated appallingly by the other place after your m/c x

Thanks, Z :HH:. When I told the tech that story today she said she's heard a shockingly high number of complaints like that about the other u/s place. It was just so nice to have a tech who 'gets it', having had 2 m/cs of her own.

[dannikins]

wow this board is soooo busy im having trouble keeping up.....:)

i think your intuition, is usually right, i knew my first 3 were boys right from day 1, my 4th i thought maybe girl, untill about 15-16 weeks ,then i was like , no its def a boy, and then when i went for my scan a month later there were boy bits everywhere...lol

this time im not sure, at first i thought boy, and i was happy to convince myself that it was another boy, but the last few weeks im thinking girl, and im not sure if its intuition kicking in , or if its just desire taking over.
im trying really hard not to get my hopes up for pink, but i just cant seem to stop it.....

[Jamie86]

wow this board is soooo busy im having trouble keeping up.....:)

i think your intuition, is usually right, i knew my first 3 were boys right from day 1, my 4th i thought maybe girl, untill about 15-16 weeks ,then i was like , no its def a boy, and then when i went for my scan a month later there were boy bits everywhere...lol

this time im not sure, at first i thought boy, and i was happy to convince myself that it was another boy, but the last few weeks im thinking girl, and im not sure if its intuition kicking in , or if its just desire taking over.
im trying really hard not to get my hopes up for pink, but i just cant seem to stop it.....

I agree I'm having a hard time keeping up as well. But I also agree with intuition but it's hard to trust it when you have desire mixed in there. With DS1 my husband wanted a boy so bad I thought he would have a hard time coping if it was a girl so my worry of him having a hard time really clouded what I knew was true. So I won't say I was 100% positive but we did buy "boy" bedding before we found out (it was a really great deal) and only looked at boy names, I felt like deep down I just knew but I was still worried I was wrong. With DS2 I remember the exact moment I knew he was our 2nd little boy. My DH, sister and several others were saying they knew it was a girl and then one night in the bath a few weeks before our ultrasound (we had it done at 15 weeks at one of those paid places) I was sitting with my hands on my belly completely relaxed and I just got this feeling that I knew he was a boy and I was not surprised in the least when they told me.

[lemon2012]

I think this is why I am so confused what to eat and when to bd and how often etc!
I am also worried about raising ph by dtd too often!
I used rephresh on Tuesday, bd on Wed and now today I feel o coming on....so, no FR, just abstinence!
Any thoughts!?
I also feel like it is luck.....and swaying just sways a little and yet, I invest so much in it! It is crazy!

I need some encouragement:)

[maybeoneday]

I know!!! Yesterday I had a horrifying thought. You know how keeping blood sugar sways girl? What if it's just the blood sugar at the time of conception? Like if you eat all the time but just happen to eat a light dinner and your BS is low, pop an egg in the a.m. before you get a chance to eat breakfast and voila...normally you would have gotten a boy but b/c your BS happened to be low at the time, you got a girl! I was kind of freaked out to eat dinner last night when I was thinking about this (but I ate!). I'm sure it cannot work this way but I'm always thinking of things like this b/c we just don't have the answers!

I really worry about this as well and to me falls into the 'luck' part of swaying on what time of day you pop the egg. I guess it is something I can't do anything about so try not to worry about it! xx

[maybeoneday]

I'm back from my u/s, and the tech says my uterus looks clear! The doctor will still look at the results, so it's possible she's wrong, but I'm really feeling hopeful. This u/s place was sooooooo much better - they took me immediately, no waiting - even though I'd brought the wrong requisition with me (I mistakenly picked up my old, unused NT requisition from the midwives when leaving for my appointment). My tech was sympathetic and chatted with me the whole time about my m/c - she had two herself so she really understood. She agreed that the other place I go has nasty techs (remember I told you all about how when I went literally hours after my m/c the woman didn't say 'I'm sorry' even once and just yelled at me for not having a full bladder??) - she said she used to work there and quit because she hated her co-workers. I'm definitely asking my midwives to only send me to this new place with my next pregnancy. As an added bonus - they do the bloodwork right there too!

Mocha, that is fantastic news. It must be so good to know you are all clear and from now on all symptoms are from a new pregnancy!!! (which I am sure is round the corner..) xx

[Mochagirl]

Mocha, that is fantastic news. It must be so good to know you are all clear and from now on all symptoms are from a new pregnancy!!! (which I am sure is round the corner..) xx

Well...maybe I spoke too hastily. I just started spotting again :(. I'm hoping it was just irritation from the internal u/s - it's really minor and just pink when I wipe. I'm so sick of this - I don't want to see any blood on my toilet paper again until after I have a baby in my arms!

[maybeoneday]

THANKS maybe!
How are you...I have not seen any posts for a bit...or maybe I am just getting confused!

I am not even sure if I am jumping to conclusions...how can I possibly o on cd 10????
I do know with DS 2 I conceived on cd 8 with weeks of abstain...lol, DS 1 was 11 mos old!
So, of course...I would try the exact same thing!!!

So no more rephresh?
Anyone else...opinions?
Could I possibly be oing this early..or is the rephresh creating this lubey EWCM.....!?

Either way,....gotta get prego!
This swaying is driving me wild!

thanks for the help maybe!

Didnt you do every other day???

Hi Lemon, still here..... Just coming out of the 2WW with a BFN. Think I will be back to CD1 tomorrow...

We DTD for 3 days straight but with DH releasing first before the first 2 attempts.

What did you decide to do in the end? xx

[maybeoneday]

Well...maybe I spoke too hastily. I just started spotting again :(. I'm hoping it was just irritation from the internal u/s - it's really minor and just pink when I wipe. I'm so sick of this - I don't want to see any blood on my toilet paper again until after I have a baby in my arms!

I need a 'dislike' button for the spotting! FX it will go away quickly. xx

[lemon2012]

Well...maybe I spoke too hastily. I just started spotting again :(. I'm hoping it was just irritation from the internal u/s - it's really minor and just pink when I wipe. I'm so sick of this - I don't want to see any blood on my toilet paper again until after I have a baby in my arms!

It has to be due to irritation....but, you do have the all clear.....when do you speak with the doc about the results?
I am tired for you!

[Mochagirl]

I don't have an 'official' all-clear - just the comment from the tech that everything looked good. There's still possibility the doctor will see something in the pictures the tech missed. I think they said the results will go to my family doctor in 2 business days.

[lemon2012]

Mocha...i hope you are okay...this really is hard and considering Christmas is coming it must be emotional....you are ready to be done with this and move on I am sure.
Take care and relax....it will happen this month,..you certainly are ready for it and I think your body will respond.
Don't let travelling hurt your chances...if it were my inlaws I think I would be stressed.
Are you going to try to bd in the meantime or wait?

On a personal note...what should I do?
Have you ever o on cd 10 before?
I have no positive opk but strange things with my cm and bad o pains (not unusual for me).
We have to keep dtd I think.
I am ready to just be pregnant....it is embarassing to say but I am tired of bding! It is not good!
I am cd 10, low on cbfm but last month I had no peak!
I am sad bc I have no idea when or how often to bd!
Everyting I read contradicts something else!
It is too late to just dtd whenever...DH and I are both done with the swaying but now we want to do our best. Must be our personalities.
Anyone else feel the same way?
Or, is everyone just ready to be prego!
I think I am a lot of both!

[Mochagirl]

Thanks, lemon. I think we'll wait to BD until I feel like O is approaching. I'm only CD6, and in the past I usually start getting EWCM around CD10, so that's when we'll probably start BD. In the meantime, dh is releasing daily.

Oh and I hear you on being sick of BDing. I have a low libido at the best of times, so having to dtd every night for many nights in a row is very unpleasant for me. Also, dh won't release unless I 'help' him, which is one of the reasons I'd thought of skipping fr this time around....

[Mochagirl]

I just went back and looked at some of my old charts, and it made me feel a lot better. I had forgotten that 6-7 day periods aren't uncommon for me, and in fact, the last cycle I conceived, I spotted until CD7. I'm hoping that's all this spotting is and it will go away soon.

I did ask the tech today how my ovaries looked. She'd already finished the scan at that point, but she said they looked on track for me to ovulate this month. Now I just need to pray for an early O.... I realised that not only do we have the logistics of figuring out how to BD while we're away and I'll have no choice but to cheat on the diet, but I'll have to bring ALL my swaying paraphernalia with me and find some way to drink 3 cups of peppermint tea and 2 of RRL tea per day without people noticing and thinking I'm a freak, taking OPKs several times a day, etc. Blah. PLEASE let me O before my trip!!!

[lemon2012]

Anyway I ovulated and did not get an LH surge? Did I miss it???
That would mean I od on cd 9???

[lemon2012]

Just wondering bc I never got anything on OPKS, started on cd 9. I think I od on cd 9!
My temp went up cd 10 and 11....!
So, I did a perfect boy sway!

[rainbowflower]

lemon I have OVed on CD10 before, during my first full cycle after a MC (after my first post-MC AF)

the low on your monitor is reassuring as it means your oestrogen levels are low so perhaps you haven't OVed - oestrogen always rises before OV

I don't think timing sways one bit, but I do think frequency does. what about your sway was a perfect boy sway?

[auroara78]

Mocha, the comment I liked earlier wasn't about your spotting, it was about when you said you hope you don't see blood again until after you have a baby! That was the portion of the quote i was liking, hehe. I'm glad you looked over your charts and had some reassurances that you have long AFs....I pray for an early O for you so you'll be able to O and get it out of the way.

Jamie & Dannikins, thanks for sharing your stories on intitution!!! It's cool hearing what other ladies say about maybe "knowing" what gender their baby is before they have them!

I confessed to my mom last night that we were going to try around Christmas. She was agaited at first but she really wanted us to wait until deeper in 2012, then I told her about how I had a good gyno annual recently, that my ob-gyn is supportive of another pregnancy, etc, and she started to relax. She's such a worrywart about health :) She just thought it was too soon to have another one being that my 2nd was born in April.

Then, she went on this tirade about how I was going to get my daughter, right? That I wouldn't dare think about an attempt unless I was pretty sure I'd get my girl?

I said to her that nothing was 100%; that there could be another boy that comes from our attempt, but we were going to try all we could to get a girl. She seemed very dissatified by the answer, and pretty much said she didn't think it was worth my getting pregnant again unless I was really, really sure I could make a girl.

Kind of made me feel down :(
As if she didn't want another grandson, I mean I definitely want a daughter, but if I am meant to be a Mommy to another sweet boy, then that is what life has in store for me :(
This is from the same woman who had told me before she thought having 3 daughters was too much and she wished she had had another son!
I love my mom to pieces, but sometiems she can be very abrupt and tell her opinion a little too much!

[auroara78]

Lemon, are on CD12 now or something? Are your temps still up? I think Atomic said somewhere recently that temps have to stay up for 3 days in a row to prove ovulation happened.
How are you feeling?

[Mochagirl]

Mocha, the comment I liked earlier wasn't about your spotting, it was about when you said you hope you don't see blood again until after you have a baby! That was the portion of the quote i was liking, hehe. I'm glad you looked over your charts and had some reassurances that you have long AFs....I pray for an early O for you so you'll be able to O and get it out of the way.

Thanks, auroara...and don't worry, of course I knew what you were 'liking'! ;)

I'm sorry about your Mom - that really sucks that she's giving so much pressure for you to have a girl. Maybe you could tell her if she wants a guarantee she can foot the bill for high tech :bigsmile:. I'm sure she, like you, will love any child you produce just as much whether it has a penis or a vagina.

[auroara78]

Mocha, thanks hun!

I am totally supportive and happy when others go HT, but that is a route I'll never take because of the unused embryo issue. It would bother me thinking of unwanted sons being left frozen :(( I love my boys so dearly, it would be hard!! I know there are options for that, but I have no money for HT and Mom wouldn't do that either, because of the same thing I have an issue with....but it's a lovely thought, isn't it? The guarantee?

There was a lady on IG that ended up with B/G twins though they transfered two girls....then there was this other lady on IG that did PGD for a girl and ended up pregnant with a boy...wrong embryo transfers...so I have seen some instances of the 100% being like 99%! To me that is absoutely astoudning, to do HT and end up with an opposite....it's almost like....someone is trying to tell those ladies something!

[Out of the Blue]

I don't want to see any blood on my toilet paper again until after I have a baby in my arms!

Yup...:HH: She's coming, MJ...she's coming very soon! Sending you EARLY O vibes so you can get things started soon! :cheer:


Jamie, a cold would sway girl…that’s a good thing!!! :luck: & :pinksperm:


:wave: Dannikins This thread does move quickly, doesn’t it!?! It’s so hard to tap into that real intuition when you’re so desperately hoping for one thing over another. It kind of clouds your vision. :fx: for you that she’s a :giggle:…Can’t wait until your scan in Jan!!!



I really worry about this as well and to me falls into the 'luck' part of swaying on what time of day you pop the egg. I guess it is something I can't do anything about so try not to worry about it! xx

Sounds like we don't have to worry about this b/c it's the overall trend that matters...Mocha put my mind at ease yesterday w/Atomic's response to a similar question:

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/7039-nightime-snacking-bad-ttc-pink.html

Did AF come for you yet, Maybe?


Lemon, BIG ditto on what Rainbow said!!


Auroara, your Mom sounds like she’s my Mom!!! I didn’t tell her about swaying or anything like that, though. She’s come around now and knows we’ll be trying again b/c we just want a #3 to be our caboose, not our #2 (regardless of the gender). I’m so sorry her words brought you down…I have been down that road a few times last spring/summer. When I was preg last time, I was so scared it was a boy b/c I wanted that baby to be as loved as DS1 & 2 by her. Honestly, it took her a bit to have her :awe: melt w/DS2. If my last preg would have been a healthy boy, I know it would have taken a while for her to love him…not that she’s cold and cruel really but it’s just how she is and that she wanted a girl :gloomy: UGH! I'm not that close w/my Mom and she wonders why...:rolleyes: At least I can learn from her that I should never be that way w/my daughter (or sons)…HUGS :HH:

[Mochagirl]

auroara - I totally understand. I was really just joking, anyway. :wink:

I figure if we're here on the swaying board it's because we don't want to or can't do HT for some reason. It's not something we'd ever consider either, for several reasons: 1) DH is morally against the whole idea, 2) we couldn't afford it in a million years, 3) it's illegal in Canada so we'd have to travel to another country to do it. I'd also never thought of the issue of unused embryos, so there's yet another reason I wouldn't do it!

[Out of the Blue]

Thanks for all your support, ladies! I didn't scare away O afterall!!! I got crosshairs this a.m. and am now 3dpo... As I've said earlier, I think all that RepHresh probably canceled out our chances this time. It's been a good learning experience for next time if there's no BFP. I'm just thrilled that my body O'ed!

[Mochagirl]

Thanks for all your support, ladies! I didn't scare away O afterall!!! I got crosshairs this a.m. and am now 3dpo... As I've said earlier, I think all that RepHresh probably canceled out our chances this time. It's been a good learning experience for next time if there's no BFP. I'm just thrilled that my body O'ed!

YAY for O!!!! I'm sure your increased fertility post-m/c will do the trick! I can't wait to hear about your Christmas BFP!

[Out of the Blue]

YAY for O!!!! I'm sure your increased fertility post-m/c will do the trick! I can't wait to hear about your Christmas BFP!

I don't know, MJ...There's no more RepHresh left in the state of Virginia...It all got squirted up my Va-JJ...

[Mochagirl]

I don't know, MJ...There's no more RepHresh left in the state of Virginia...It all got squirted up my Va-JJ...

:rofl:

Seriously, though - I think you still have a great chance, and at least you'll know you had the best sway possible when you get your BFP!! If I had any babydust to share, I'd send heaps of it your way.

[auroara78]

So happy you O'ed Jen! :celebrate:


And I agree Mocha! Sorry, I'm one of my frumpy moods today, lol. :whip:

I just don't feel like dealing with shoppin' this weekend to finish up Christmas....I do love our xmas tree and seeing the boys face light up! Just not in the mood to deal with the "buying" part of Christmas, ya know? Blah!

[Out of the Blue]

Mocha, I think wouldn't even have a glimmer of hope except for the fact that I didn't J&D...I don't think I have any baby dust either but if I do, It's going straight to you!!! :ballerina:

[Out of the Blue]

Sorry, I'm one of my frumpy moods today, lol. :whip:

No worries...Why do our own mothers (who are supposed to love us unconditionally) hurt us so easily?!? They just don't realize they do, I guess and are thinking they're doing the best for use by saying what they do. :rolleyes:

BTW, swaying during the holiday season just plain sucks...:gloomy:

[Mochagirl]

I just don't feel like dealing with shoppin' this weekend to finish up Christmas....I do love our xmas tree and seeing the boys face light up! Just not in the mood to deal with the "buying" part of Christmas, ya know? Blah!

I have to say, I did 99% of my shopping online this year, and it's made for a far less stressful Christmas. I agree that I'd rather be just about anywhere else than a mall on the weekend before Christmas. Having said that, we still haven't brought the kids to see Santa, so we may brave the mall today as soon as they get out of school. Wish us luck!

[Out of the Blue]

I have to say, I did 99% of my shopping online this year, and it's made for a far less stressful Christmas.

I did that this year...Bought all the prezzies online the day after our Thanksgiving...All but one are wrapped under the tree. We'll not be seeing Santa this year b/c DS1 is only 3.5 and I think we may be able to get out of it for 1 more year. I'm such a Scrooge-Mama when it comes to that kind of stuff...Next year, we'll have to go for sure as he'll be old enough to give me #E!! if we don't!

[auroara78]

Jen, u live in the state of Virginia too? I live in Richmond VA, West End, but I'm from Stafford County...that's so cool that we're in the same geographical area!

[Out of the Blue]

Jen, u live in the state of Virginia too? I live in Richmond VA, West End, but I'm from Stafford County...that's so cool that we're in the same geographical area!

Wow!!! We live in PWC right now. We're transplants from the West Coast but have been here since 2005. So cool that you live so close! I think Amari lives in Maryland so she's pretty close too...

[zanacal]

Yay for being 3dpo Jen! I have everything crossed for you, good luck!

Lemon - if you're just ready to get pregnant then it's easy, keep taking your OPKs (although obviously not this month if you've already O'd!) and DTD 2 or 3 days in a row (or DTD on your high and peak days if you're using a monitor) and forget about FR and abstinence. If you really want to be pregnant and not worry at all about swaying just DTD every other day throughout your cycle. I don't know what you mean about your attempt being perfect for a boy - if you're basing that on the timing then that's just not the case!

[Mochagirl]

I just heard back from my doctor's office, and my HCG levels are at 0. Woo hoo! They still don't have the results from my u/s, but I should get those on Monday. In the meantime I'm going to assume all systems are go. So far today I've had no spotting, and my OPKs show a very faint line that was ever so slightly darker today than yesterday. Come on, O! I'd just love it if you decided to arrive a little early this month - CD12 would be PERFECT!

[auroara78]

Well ladies, one of my co workers did the pencil divining test on me! LOL, have any of you had this done to you? She has a "special" pencil, and if it moves up and down you have boys and if it moves side to side you've had or will have girl(s). She warned me before hand that it tells even if you've had an abortion or M/C how many children you would have, have or will have.

So....we did it on my left hand and it definitely moved up and down twice, then side to side once, then up and down again before it finished....she swears this pencil tests works for everyone she knews/knows!

So it predicted B B G B for me.....although I am not going for a 4th child, so /scratches head at that one

Kind of cool it predicted girl for me :) I'm a roll with the all the girl predictions! :rofl:

this was just for fun, but wondered if any of ya'll have succumbed to wacky "gender predictions" things such as the pencil test?

[dannikins]

we used the wedding ring test on my first, that works the same kind of way, you tie the wedding ring to a piece of cotton, and hold it above the belly if it swings in a circle , its a boy, its its more of an oval its a girl.

[lemon2012]

Lemon, are on CD12 now or something? Are your temps still up? I think Atomic said somewhere recently that temps have to stay up for 3 days in a row to prove ovulation happened.
How are you feeling?

Hi auroara!
My mom always said something about my three sons which just made me upset! She clearly wanted me to have a daughter! I do not say anything to her anymore bc she has memory issues. It causes a lot of stress in my life and she is being tested for dementia as well as liver disease. My dad has parkinsons so basically I cannot tell them anything. All I know is everyone single family member would want a girl!

What does your mom mean when she says you have to be 100% certain it will be a girl. How does she think you can do that...it is 50-50! Right! I am sorry, I know your mom did not mean it that way,...they want what we want! It does not make it easier!

I am cd 11 and two days of high temperatures. I thought about it today and I figured maybe it was bc I was sick...silly me!
That would make sense!

So, now that I am cd 11...should I keep dtd everyday? Doesn't that sway boy?
We dtd cd9, 10 and this am after a release....last minute shot at what we thought might be o plus 12.
If I o on cd 14...when and how often should we bd?

I agree with Atomic about the temp being up for 3 days,.,....TCOYF says that.

Any advice out there?

When is your attempt auroara?
Any plans?

Ps: I still love the baby pic!
So cute!
Will you try a cut off? or do you believe in timing?

[lemon2012]

Yay for being 3dpo Jen! I have everything crossed for you, good luck!

Lemon - if you're just ready to get pregnant then it's easy, keep taking your OPKs (although obviously not this month if you've already O'd!) and DTD 2 or 3 days in a row (or DTD on your high and peak days if you're using a monitor) and forget about FR and abstinence. If you really want to be pregnant and not worry at all about swaying just DTD every other day throughout your cycle. I don't know what you mean about your attempt being perfect for a boy - if you're basing that on the timing then that's just not the case!

ZAN!!!! I KNOW!
Thank you, but how do I let it go?
I know you dtd once on o day...but I have spent a year trying to time a 3 day cut off. I am a perfectionist and it became a perfect cut off that I was aiming for instead of a cut off!!!
I am truly not a good person when I think about it and I hate that!
I do everything not to get pregnant to be surprised it is a girl! I just want one soooo badly!
In that way, I figure I will never get one...if you try too hard it just won't happen.

So, given that I thought I od already but still thinking it will come on CD14..and I am cd 11 what should I do?
If I go everyday that sways boy right?
If I do cut off that sways boy?
If I do on o day that sways boy?
WTH sways girl??

We dtd cd 9 pm after abstinence, cd10 pm, cd 11 am after a release...so I am 3.5 days away.
DH says today is kind of a lost cause...shld I wait?
Until when?
How many times?

If anyone can help., I am going crazy...clearly need to get pregnant!!!!!

[lemon2012]

Oh Mocha...you deserve it!!!!!!!!!!!
I will be thinking of you!

[lemon2012]

I meant to say I was trying for a 3 day cut off instead of a baby..it was and is an issue!

[lemon2012]

Well ladies, one of my co workers did the pencil divining test on me! LOL, have any of you had this done to you? She has a "special" pencil, and if it moves up and down you have boys and if it moves side to side you've had or will have girl(s). She warned me before hand that it tells even if you've had an abortion or M/C how many children you would have, have or will have.

So....we did it on my left hand and it definitely moved up and down twice, then side to side once, then up and down again before it finished....she swears this pencil tests works for everyone she knews/knows!

So it predicted B B G B for me.....although I am not going for a 4th child, so /scratches head at that one

Kind of cool it predicted girl for me :) I'm a roll with the all the girl predictions! :rofl:

this was just for fun, but wondered if any of ya'll have succumbed to wacky "gender predictions" things such as the pencil test?
YES!
Sadly, when I was younger we had a group of girls on a girl weekend and we did the test.....it did not work in order but it did show us who wanted kids and who did not. This one girl said she did not want any kids at all and the pencil never moved!
I was supposed to have a boy and girl...and I have two boys!
My girlfriend was supposed to have a girl and then a boy..she had a boy and then a girl.
Maybe there is truth to it!
Anyone else????

Oh, and when I was pregnant the ring always went back and forth !!! Boy!
Dannikins, what happend with you?
What was your sway? I think you did not have one right?

[lemon2012]

OMgoodness, I want a baby....I just got caught up in trying for a 3 day cut off...sorry, I just wanted to specify as it sounds like I wanted to try when I was infertile. Not the case....! Just ds was a 2 day cut off and as most women, I want to do something different.
Sorry if I sound a bit off.

[Mochagirl]

Thank you, but how do I let it go?


Lemon, you know I love you, but I think you answered your own question by saying this:



I have spent a year trying to time a 3 day cut off.


THAT'S why you should let it go. You can't get your girl if you can't get pregnant, and a 3 day cut off obviously isn't working for you. :HH:

I think if I were in your situation, I'd use some more rephresh and continue to dtd every day until you know O happened. If you're concerned about ending up with too much sperm up there, then take a day or two break - but still have dh release - and do a couple more attempts right around O.

At the same time, I don't want you to have any regrets. If you really can't let the timing thing go, why not do a 2 day cut-off instead of a 3 day one? DTD tonight then stop and hope you O when you think you will. If you don't get your BFP this month, then try a 1 day cut-off next month instead.

Sorry you're feeling so confused - I really hope you get your pink BFP soon!

[lemon2012]

I know, I sound like an idiot!
But, in fact...the only cut offs that worked were mixed with attempts close to o with shallow penetration and too much rephresh or replens. The ones that did not work were 3.5 day cut offs.....I am too old for this!
So, clearly my goal was to acheive the perfect cut off sway...not possible!

I am ready to switch it up...I think!
I really do want to be home and want my third baby!
I know so many shettles oppposites,.,...what is my problem????

Are you doing a couple of bding around o? Exactly around o?
Does anyone purposely do that?
Just wondering?
I would do a 2 day cut off with frequent as DS 2 was abstain and cut off....!
Either way,...it is 50-50...right?
I guess I better go to bed..I am sick and tired!
Maybe we will make my girl tomorrow????
Thanks everyone for being there!!!

[dannikins]

YES!

Oh, and when I was pregnant the ring always went back and forth !!! Boy!
Dannikins, what happend with you?
What was your sway? I think you did not have one right?

i never really bought into it, because it changed depending on who was holding it, if my hubby was holding it, it went side to side, if my mother was holding it it went in a circle, so i figured it all depends on how steady the hand is of the person holding it.....

no i didnt get a chance to sway, i was planning to but got a surprise BFP a week before i was going to start.
a one shot deal 5 days before O, with missionary and J&D, and we both had the flu,, thats the extent of our sway...lol

[Mochagirl]

I know, I sound like an idiot!
But, in fact...the only cut offs that worked were mixed with attempts close to o with shallow penetration and too much rephresh or replens. The ones that did not work were 3.5 day cut offs.....I am too old for this!
So, clearly my goal was to acheive the perfect cut off sway...not possible!

I am ready to switch it up...I think!
I really do want to be home and want my third baby!
I know so many shettles oppposites,.,...what is my problem????

Are you doing a couple of bding around o? Exactly around o?
Does anyone purposely do that?
Just wondering?
I would do a 2 day cut off with frequent as DS 2 was abstain and cut off....!
Either way,...it is 50-50...right?
I guess I better go to bed..I am sick and tired!
Maybe we will make my girl tomorrow????
Thanks everyone for being there!!!

First of all, you don't sound like an idiot - just someone who is stressed and overwhelmed by all the choices. Like all of us, you want to do the right thing and give yourself the best chance to get your girl.

My current plan is to do maybe 2-3 attempts right around O. Lots of people who are swaying for a girl bd on or just before O - I think it may be especially important to do this if you're over 35 and if you're leaving it all down to one attempt, as some do. Also, all the other swaying stuff we do can make it difficult enough to get pregnant as it is, so the way I see it - why add to that difficulty for something that doesn't seem to sway anyway?

I think you need to do what you'll feel most comfortable with. I really hope this is your month.

[rainbowflower]

Lemon - agree with mocha! If you keep pH down, daily BD should sway pink. Shettles has been disproved so many times and I've seen more studies proving BD on ov day sways pink if it sways at all so we will be BD through ov



Afm - cd10 today and got a surprise "high" on my cbfm this morning. Earliest ov has been so far was cd19! Seems vitex is working although hoping ov is about a week away!

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[amari]

Hi, ladies! Hope all is well. I have been MIA as you know as I am in Mexico for 2 weeks. It is hard to get on the internet here. I needed to drop in this early am, hope you don't mind, I am feeling really lost and needed to vent. I am having such a difficult time doing this all here. I took my clomid cycle day 5-9 and I really don't know that I am going to O at all. I have a slight concern that I actually missed it altogether, but I think more likely that its just not going to happen, I'm on day 14 now which i know is early but no feelings are happening at all and there are no lines at all on opks. On top of it, the food here is so bad for you that i am either starving myself or eating horribly so I am gaining weight while here. I am quite in a bad place. I wanted so badly to have a relaxing time here as I usually do, instead I am hungry or fat, and worried about not ovulating. On top of it I am skipping out on all these lovely fruity drinks to keep my blood sugar down! uggh, sorry for the rant, I am just so down, and can't believe my body, I know my body pretty well and don't think I am going to O. I feel so desperate and hate to feel this way...
sorry to just drop in and vent, I am just feeling so alone here, especially having all of dh's family here watching me.

[Out of the Blue]

My current plan is to do maybe 2-3 attempts right around O. Lots of people who are swaying for a girl bd on or just before O - I think it may be especially important to do this if you're over 35 and if you're leaving it all down to one attempt, as some do. Also, all the other swaying stuff we do can make it difficult enough to get pregnant as it is, so the way I see it - why add to that difficulty for something that doesn't seem to sway anyway?

I think you need to do what you'll feel most comfortable with. I really hope this is your month.

:agree: Great advice...couldn't have said it better!

[Out of the Blue]

Amari, I'm so sorry things are not going well. Try to limit your food intake b/c it's rich in cals, etc. but you still need to eat, especially at your size! Drinking coffee or a coke really helps keep my hunger away so you could try that to stretch out your meal times. As far as O goes, I think you're just not relaxed enough. If you let go of some of the guilt about food, I'll bet you'll be in a much better place for O to happen. I know when I'm stressed out and I need to relax, someone telling me to just relax makes me even more stressed. :rolleyes: You'll have to find a way to do it yourself somehow. :HH: I know it's hard for you to log on but if you need to vent, etc., come back and post b/c it may make you feel a bit better so you can relax a bit.

[Mochagirl]

Amari - I'm soooo sorry you're having a tough time. It's hard enough to sway when you're away from your home and routine, but to be with your ILs makes it doubly hard. I'll be in your exact position next week when I'll be staying with my ILs across the country for a whole week! Luckily I'll be able to come online and vent, I hope.

Try to relax as much as you can (I know, easier said than done) and good luck catching that egg! :HH:

[lemon2012]

Hi, ladies! Hope all is well. I have been MIA as you know as I am in Mexico for 2 weeks. It is hard to get on the internet here. I needed to drop in this early am, hope you don't mind, I am feeling really lost and needed to vent. I am having such a difficult time doing this all here. I took my clomid cycle day 5-9 and I really don't know that I am going to O at all. I have a slight concern that I actually missed it altogether, but I think more likely that its just not going to happen, I'm on day 14 now which i know is early but no feelings are happening at all and there are no lines at all on opks. On top of it, the food here is so bad for you that i am either starving myself or eating horribly so I am gaining weight while here. I am quite in a bad place. I wanted so badly to have a relaxing time here as I usually do, instead I am hungry or fat, and worried about not ovulating. On top of it I am skipping out on all these lovely fruity drinks to keep my blood sugar down! uggh, sorry for the rant, I am just so down, and can't believe my body, I know my body pretty well and don't think I am going to O. I feel so desperate and hate to feel this way...
sorry to just drop in and vent, I am just feeling so alone here, especially having all of dh's family here watching me.

Amari, I am so sorry your vacation does not sound like much fun at all!!
You need some fruity drinks:)
Clomid itself sways girl! Also, when I used clomid my doctor said to bd on cd14, 16, 18 and 20. That is it! The fact that the first day the doctor said ws cd 14 is because on clomid you ovulate quite late. Once it was cd 16 and once it was cd 18 or 19.
Also, there are many girls born from clomid and that is all. I hope you can relax:)

[lemon2012]

:agree: Great advice...couldn't have said it better!
Thanks Mocha and Out of the Blue,
The timing thing is getting to me!!!! I am trying hard not to believe it!
So, today I am cd 12.....still low on cbfm. I am quite confused!
My temp is high for the third day in a row. I really thought I had ovulated...but I think the temps are up bc I am sick. Also, the opks would have shown something if I had o'd.
So, back to the plan....!
OOTB, what did you end up doing exactly? Did you have DH release in between or just dtd everyday?
Did you take days off?
How much rephresh did you end up using?

I used some Tuesday and yesterday. I gather that it also makes it hard to decipher cm right?

My ph is naturally high.....really high! I eat the right foods and even after a pitcher of crystal light it is still high.
So, I guess that is why I am worried about timing and dtd too many times....!
I have bd cd 9, 10 and morning of cd 11.
Most months I o on cd 14. We will bd today....should I go every day?
Every other and have dh release in between?

Thanks Mocha and OOTB!

Mocha, any signs of o yet?
When will you start bding?

OOTB, what dpo are you?
Are you excited?
Rainbowfower! You got a high and I am still low:( I stopped taking the vitex the other day...maybe being sick is delaying o?
When will you start bding? Will you dtd after o as well?
What are you doing to keep ph down?
If you can give me any other advice about your sway I would love to hear it!!!

Enjoy your Saturday!

[Jamie86]

I really want to say hats off to you ladies who have been trying for a while. I feel like I'm going crazy just waiting to ovulate (I'm only on CD12) so I have no idea how I'm going to survive the 2WW. And this is only my 1st full month trying. I think it's because I've never really "tried" in this sense before. My 1st son was not planned and my 2nd son we decided we would just stop preventing in September and then really start trying in October and September 26th I found out I was pregnant.

[Jamie86]

Hi, ladies! Hope all is well. I have been MIA as you know as I am in Mexico for 2 weeks. It is hard to get on the internet here. I needed to drop in this early am, hope you don't mind, I am feeling really lost and needed to vent. I am having such a difficult time doing this all here. I took my clomid cycle day 5-9 and I really don't know that I am going to O at all. I have a slight concern that I actually missed it altogether, but I think more likely that its just not going to happen, I'm on day 14 now which i know is early but no feelings are happening at all and there are no lines at all on opks. On top of it, the food here is so bad for you that i am either starving myself or eating horribly so I am gaining weight while here. I am quite in a bad place. I wanted so badly to have a relaxing time here as I usually do, instead I am hungry or fat, and worried about not ovulating. On top of it I am skipping out on all these lovely fruity drinks to keep my blood sugar down! uggh, sorry for the rant, I am just so down, and can't believe my body, I know my body pretty well and don't think I am going to O. I feel so desperate and hate to feel this way...
sorry to just drop in and vent, I am just feeling so alone here, especially having all of dh's family here watching me.

I'm so sorry your time away is not going well. Being away from home (and with DHs family) while swaying and TTC has to be hard. I know trying to relax and enjoy yourself is much much easier said than done but is there anything you can do to help? Is there anywhere to get a massage or manicure or something similar?

[Jamie86]

Oh and I wanted to add about the different old wives tells gender tests I had a very strange one that I had never heard of done with DS1 that was correct. Someone told me if you hold a baby (I think only a male baby) that is under a year old over your belly and they push both feet straight down (as if the plant their feet) then you are carrying a boy and if they lift one leg up you are carrying a girl. It's one of the craziest I've heard and it's something about the boy standing his ground with another male and being a gentleman to the female. Someone told me this while we were at the home of a friend with a 6month old son so we decided to try it and according to their son we were having a boy.

I recently contacted one of those baby psychics and she said I would get a BFP in January from a cycle that began in December and it would be a girl. I'm so so so hoping she is right! And maybe that's one reason I'm so anxious this cycle which I know I need to chill out a bit.

[lemon2012]

Hey Rainbowflower....!
How many high days do you usually get with the cbfm?
Did your opk show positive as well?
I am just wondering as last month I never got a peak and I wonder if it was because my cycle was a bit shorter. This month I do not have a high and I am cd 12....so, trying to figure out when to dtd again!
So far I have cd 9, 10, 11 and wondering if I should wait until it says high or basically assume it is not working again this month!
So confusing!

[rainbowflower]

it varies - sometimes I've had 7-8 high days before OV, other times I've had just 3. Last cycle when I used the CBFM it missed my peak (didn't detect LH surge) but OPKs did and weirdly I had 5-6 days of pos OPKs... I think BF was really messing with my hormones at the time! It's not the first cycle I've had where it missed the peak, though. I had one other cycle which was following my MC and it missed it then too so I do think perhaps it's more sensitive to hormone imbalances than anything.

this cycle already feels more normal so I'm expecting OV will be within a week

I've never not had a high on it. The "High" indicates that oestrogen levels are rising and it's the rise in oestrogen that triggers OV. The CBFM has to learn what the threashold for your oestrogen levels are before OV is triggered. Do you have EWCM? That's another way of telling when EWCM is rising so treat that as if the CBFM said "high" if you're doubting the monitor.

are you stopping DTD when you get highs/peaks?

[lemon2012]

it varies - sometimes I've had 7-8 high days before OV, other times I've had just 3. Last cycle when I used the CBFM it missed my peak (didn't detect LH surge) but OPKs did and weirdly I had 5-6 days of pos OPKs... I think BF was really messing with my hormones at the time! It's not the first cycle I've had where it missed the peak, though. I had one other cycle which was following my MC and it missed it then too so I do think perhaps it's more sensitive to hormone imbalances than anything.

this cycle already feels more normal so I'm expecting OV will be within a week

I've never not had a high on it. The "High" indicates that oestrogen levels are rising and it's the rise in oestrogen that triggers OV. The CBFM has to learn what the threashold for your oestrogen levels are before OV is triggered. Do you have EWCM? That's another way of telling when EWCM is rising so treat that as if the CBFM said "high" if you're doubting the monitor.

are you stopping DTD when you get highs/peaks?

What is bf?

I missed a high one month and went straight from low to peak. I think it is because I od late the month before...not sure!
However, I could read the sticks better than the monitor...lol
The estrogen is still fairly dark......but I have o pains! Maybe it is something else...I am sick!
I do not have EW but it is hard to tell....I have used some rephresh and there is semen as well...sorry if TMI.

I dtd cd 9, 10 and 11. I thought I was ovulating early as my temp shifted but I am sick so I went back to thinking I was going to on cd 14 or so like usual.
Are you dtd now or waiting until peak?
I am trying to figure out what is worse....get more in there to get pregnant...or take a break and wait for peak....but then I will have stuff in there from earlier! I will also be raising my ph right?
I think I screwed this month up again!

[Mochagirl]

Hey ladies - I was out of town for the day and am just catching up now. Sorry your body's giving you such confusing signals, lemon - being sick with a potentially high temperature as a cause of that definitely makes it hard to tell when you ovulated!

I'm CD8 today, though I'm suspecting (and hoping) that I'm actually CD9 since I'm starting to think that full day of red bleeding I had last Friday was actually CD1. Still no spotting at all for the second day in a row (woohoo!), and my OPK is slowly starting to get darker. I'm still praying O comes before next Thursday! So far DH has released 4 days in a row, so 3 more days and we'll have the perfect frequent release attempt I had wanted (but didn't manage) last time I got my BFP. I think if we can do the fr properly, I'm definitely going to leave rephresh out of it since I think the fr alone (+ my other sway factors) will lower his sperm count enough.

[auroara78]

Lemon, if you really wanna get preggo, I'd keep DTDing until you're sure you O'ed but use rephresh? rephresh should help with ph change from DTDing.

I think I'm going to stick to 1-2 times right around O and skip the rephresh and use Zyrtec.

[lemon2012]

Thanks aurora....not sure how much rephresh to use. I don't want to waste a month because I used too much.
How much? Pea size? half an applicator? The whole thing?

DH is also releasing.....he said he has very little to work with....maybe someone can help with this. When DH is releasing everyday does it limit the amount...do you think it might be too much?

I am still sick and also taking cold meds.....is this enough without the rephresh?

I read some blog about stats....frequent bding swayed girl!!!!
At least that favours what I am doing....no one else seems to do it because of ph I assume.
I really thought I would get a positive opk by now....and it is hard to tell by cm bc it is mixed with some represh and I only used a tiny bit!

The kids are at a birthday party...it is so quiet! If only I were not sick!

[lemon2012]

Will you stop after positive opk?
Or start at postive opk?

[Mochagirl]

I think I'm going to stick to 1-2 times right around O and skip the rephresh and use Zyrtec.

That's my plan, too, auroara - I've just had too much trouble getting pregnant with rephresh in the past and I don't want to have to spend months TTC again

[rainbowflower]

What is bf?

I missed a high one month and went straight from low to peak. I think it is because I od late the month before...not sure!
However, I could read the sticks better than the monitor...lol
The estrogen is still fairly dark......but I have o pains! Maybe it is something else...I am sick!
I do not have EW but it is hard to tell....I have used some rephresh and there is semen as well...sorry if TMI.

I dtd cd 9, 10 and 11. I thought I was ovulating early as my temp shifted but I am sick so I went back to thinking I was going to on cd 14 or so like usual.
Are you dtd now or waiting until peak?
I am trying to figure out what is worse....get more in there to get pregnant...or take a break and wait for peak....but then I will have stuff in there from earlier! I will also be raising my ph right?
I think I screwed this month up again!

BF = breastfeeding
I confess I read the sticks too ;)

we're DTD now - plan to roughly every other day (with a release + discard in between), maybe twice around OV though. DH said he would be capable of DTD daily until OV but that it would get boring, and should we have to TTC for a while I'd rather it was less of a chore for him. ;)

[zanacal]

Thanks aurora....not sure how much rephresh to use. I don't want to waste a month because I used too much.
How much? Pea size? half an applicator? The whole thing?

DH is also releasing.....he said he has very little to work with....maybe someone can help with this. When DH is releasing everyday does it limit the amount...do you think it might be too much?

I am still sick and also taking cold meds.....is this enough without the rephresh?

I read some blog about stats....frequent bding swayed girl!!!!
At least that favours what I am doing....no one else seems to do it because of ph I assume.
I really thought I would get a positive opk by now....and it is hard to tell by cm bc it is mixed with some represh and I only used a tiny bit!

The kids are at a birthday party...it is so quiet! If only I were not sick!

Yes, frequent release reduces the amount of fluid but there's absolutely no way of telling how much or little sperm there is in the semen. The last time my DH released before our attempt there was hardly any fluid at all AND I did a Jump and Dump! IMO, less semen = less high pH = good!

Even Dr Shettles believed that frequent BD swayed pink, but for it to be frequent it has to be every day for 7-10 days. What Jen has done is ideal for frequent imo - her DH started releasing on cd1 then they started DTD when AF was over, so sperm count would have been lowered before she even got to her fertile time.

[rainbowflower]

Yes, frequent release reduces the amount of fluid but there's absolutely no way of telling how much or little sperm there is in the semen. The last time my DH released before our attempt there was hardly any fluid at all AND I did a Jump and Dump! IMO, less semen = less high pH = good!

Even Dr Shettles believed that frequent BD swayed pink, but for it to be frequent it has to be every day for 7-10 days. What Jen has done is ideal for frequent imo - her DH started releasing on cd1 then they started DTD when AF was over, so sperm count would have been lowered before she even got to her fertile time.
in the compressed frequent release study you found they DID actually test total semen amount, sperm count within it (total quantity), and sperm concentration in the semen, and noted it was a drastic reduction for all of those.

[zanacal]

Yes I agree that frequent reduces sperm count and that that study confirms that - I'm just saying that how much fluid there is alone isn't an indicator of this and it certainly shouldn't be of concern if there is very little fluid because it doesn't mean there isn't enough sperm to get pregnant!

[lemon2012]

Yes, frequent release reduces the amount of fluid but there's absolutely no way of telling how much or little sperm there is in the semen. The last time my DH released before our attempt there was hardly any fluid at all AND I did a Jump and Dump! IMO, less semen = less high pH = good!

Even Dr Shettles believed that frequent BD swayed pink, but for it to be frequent it has to be every day for 7-10 days. What Jen has done is ideal for frequent imo - her DH started releasing on cd1 then they started DTD when AF was over, so sperm count would have been lowered before she even got to her fertile time.
Thanks Zan...could to know.
DH just said there was just a sputter,,,sorry if TMI.
We have dtd cd 9, 10, 11 and 12. I am cd 13 and cbfm is still low!
I want to take a break as I am afraid of raising ph but I do want to get pregnant so I wonder how much will it raise my ph?

Rainbow,...what day do you think you will o? How many bds will you get in?
I read a study yesterday and frequent bd with consecutive days up to o swayed girl! Of course, most attempts were frequent bding.....as people want to get pregnant.
Poor DH had some um, problems with muscle pain down there last night....too many releases maybe!
All for a low on the monitor....ugh!

I read that illness can delay or suppress ovulation. I am worried about the latter problem.....I wanted to get pregnant before 2012!

Is Jen ootb?
DH could not understand why 7 days equals lowering sperm count. Do you know why? I have no idea!
Also, how does compressed fr do the same thing? In the end, I guess you are lowering sperm count due to the pure number of releases. So far we are 5 days of fr and that is not common for dh. One day was 3 times! So, I think it is being lowered...I just need to ovulate!

Oh, just read the last post by rainbowflower....is it wise to fr everyday???
I don't want to lose all the spermies!

Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend!

[auroara78]

I would so DTD a lot if my husband could handle it....I'm the one who always haggles my husband about getting some, and he usually says he's "tired" or "isn't interested"....he used to be a lot more into sex, so I'm hoping that because his sex drive has been in the dumps for a while, that will sway pink some, if he just doesn't have the "urge"...hoping that means low testerone.

So if he could have let me and I knew I could rely on him, I'd so do the frequent BDing or method Jen is employing, since our boys were one shot pull out wonders....

But being that he is how he is, I will be lucky to get two attempts within my O window, LOL :rolleyes:

[auroara78]

Lemon, what CD are you? and how often have you and you husband being DTDing? or has it been a little DTDing and he's been releasing by himself?

Jen, what dpo are you now? :)

Jamie, have you gotten a pos OPK?

Amari, sorry to hear your trip hasn't been the best :( /hugs hunny

Mocha, all of AF is gone now?

[lemon2012]

Lemon, what CD are you? and how often have you and you husband being DTDing? or has it been a little DTDing and he's been releasing by himself?

Jen, what dpo are you now? :)

Jamie, have you gotten a pos OPK?

Amari, sorry to hear your trip hasn't been the best :( /hugs hunny

Mocha, all of AF is gone now?

Hi auroara,
I am cd 13....still no o showing up:(
we dtd cd 9, 10, 11 in am and he released that night, and 12...
Part of it is bc my temps went up and stayed up so we thought I was oing...but no postive opk so probably just bc I was sick.
I think we need a break until I see some sign of oing!

Will you wait for positive opk???

[Mochagirl]

Mocha, all of AF is gone now?

YUP! Soooo excited to have my body back to normal again! Now, I must admit that I DID find a teeny, tiny bit of red streaking in a blob of ewcm (the only bit of ewcm I've seen so far) last night, but it was never enough to make it to the toilet paper or my underpants, so I'm hoping it was just some irritation from my obsessive cervix checking :oops:.

So...I'm on CD9 or 10 today, depending on what day I consider to be CD1. Today my cm is creamy/sticky, and my cervix isn't feeling very open or soft yet, so I think I'm still a few days away from O. We still haven't dtd, but I did stick some rephresh in a couple of days ago just for the heck of it, and in case we decided to start dtd early before dh had a chance to lower his sperm count. It'll probably be the only rephresh I use this cycle, but I reserve the right to change my mind several more times :bigsmile:. DH has now released 5 nights in a row. I'll have him release again tonight, then I *might* have him release once during the day tomorrow then start dtd for real tomorrow night...or if I can be patient I'll wait one extra day to start dtd so we can get to the magic number of 7 for fr. Once we start dtd, we'll do it daily until my temp rises, indicating O. I'm still PRAYING that happens before we leave for our trip on Thursday.

On the many cycles I've logged on FF over the years, the earliest I've ever gotten O is CD13, which would be Thursday (or Wednesday if I am, in fact, CD10 today), but in both of the last two cycles I conceived, I O'd on CD16, which would bring me to the 24th-25th, which will mean no diet and difficulty dtd since we'll have been at my in-laws for a few days by then. Send me some early O vibes, ladies - I need them!!

[auroara78]

really hope you O early!! We're going to Mom's house on Christmas Day but will be here that evening...I plan to frisk my husband on the night of the 23rd and 24th for my O on the 25th! I will be tracking O with OPKs to make sure it's still going to happen as scheduled!

So I might end up DTDing the night before my first pos OPK but that'll be OK.

Almost got all my shopping done, except my hubby wants an expensive NFL jeresy and I"m not really interested in shelling out 80 bucks for it but that's all he wants so ....SIGH! LOL!

My oldest son found some of his stocking stuffers today and cried and cried until I gave it to him :( It was just a dinosaur painting book and spongebob stickers.....at least it wasn't something important and big he found, because if he found one of his big presents I'd make him wait until Christmas anyway!

[Mochagirl]

If I comes on the 22nd, the day we leave for our trip, I'll just leave it at that since we'll have dtd every night for at least 2-3 nights before that. If it doesn't come that day, though, we'll have to keep trying to sneak in attempts. I think our only choice will be the basement laundry room/bathroom that is outside the bedroom we'll be sleeping in with all the kids. Not exactly romantic, but really what about TTC is romantic anyway :wink:

I'm going to do the best I can with the diet while eating MIL's food. I can easily skip breakfast - most days at least (there might be a Christmas brunch I won't be able to avoid). I'll do the best I can at lunch since it's usually a serve yourself kind of deal. I'm packing some microwaveable packets of plain rice I might be able to eat some days if I can get the kitchen to myself long enough to make them without suspicion, but other days I'll have to make do with maybe a piece of regular bread with jam or something like that (they usually have sandwich stuff at lunch). Supper's where it will all fall apart, since I'll have to eat whatever the family meal is. On Christmas Day I intend to eat everything on offer but just keep my portions very low. Hopefully I'll be in the 2WW by then.

[Jamie86]

So about the positive OPK question I'm actually unsure. I have the little cheapie OPK strips (I get from target) that I use every cycle but this cycle I also decided to get the clear blue ovulation test the one with the smiley face not the fertility monitor. So I took an OPK this morning looked negative but getting darker and then I took one this afternoon (a few minutes ago) it still looked about the same as this morning but the dye looked like it ran a little funny so I dipped the clear blue in there as well, because my plan was to start using the clear blue when the cheap OPKs starting getting a little darker, well the clear blue came up with a smiley face so I guess that means I should be Oing soon but I'm a little confused because usually the cheap ones work great so I can't figure out why they don't look positive at all.

[Mochagirl]

I'd definitely go with what the clearblue ones say, Jamie - my ICs never show a full positive before my clearblue does!

I posted on the TTC board, but thought I's ask here too since this thread gets a lot more traffic. I'm only CD9/10 and got a negative OPK today (a fairly dark line, but far from +), and my cm has JUST started to turn to EWCM as the day wore on. Normally I'd think this just means my body's just starting the process of readying itself for ovulation since that process normally starts for me around CD10...but I've been having strong af-like cramps today and I'm not sure if those could be a sign of imminent O. I normally get sharp cramps on my sides, not a dull ache in my lower abdomen like this. Anyone else have that at O time?

DH has only been doing frequent release for 5 days and I planned to have him do it 2 more days before we start dtd...but should I throw all that out now and dtd anyway just in case O is coming? I don't want to miss my egg, but in the past I've always had about4 days of EWCM before I O....

[Jamie86]

I'd definitely go with what the clearblue ones say, Jamie - my ICs never show a full positive before my clearblue does!

I posted on the TTC board, but thought I's ask here too since this thread gets a lot more traffic. I'm only CD9/10 and got a negative OPK today (a fairly dark line, but far from +), and my cm has JUST started to turn to EWCM as the day wore on. Normally I'd think this just means my body's just starting the process of readying itself for ovulation since that process normally starts for me around CD10...but I've been having strong af-like cramps today and I'm not sure if those could be a sign of imminent O. I normally get sharp cramps on my sides, not a dull ache in my lower abdomen like this. Anyone else have that at O time?

DH has only been doing frequent release for 5 days and I planned to have him do it 2 more days before we start dtd...but should I throw all that out now and dtd anyway just in case O is coming? I don't want to miss my egg, but in the past I've always had about4 days of EWCM before I O....

Thanks so much!

I would say go with your instinct if you think you are going to ovulate. I'm not sure what your sway play is (if you are planning to do more than one attempt etc). If it were me I would DTD but maybe have DH release first but then again I'm not one doing a "perfect" sway more just what I called a "sway lite." I also am brand new to TTC so I'm sure some other ladies will have much better insight than I do.

[Mochagirl]

Thanks, Jamie - I think I'm going to hold off for tonight since my OPK was definitely negative today, but I'll reassess tomorrow if it's looking more positive and maybe just have dh release once before we dtd. It wouldn't be the perfect 7 day FR, but it would be pretty close (6 + an extra release before dtd).

[Jamie86]

Sorry I'm not more help and ask more questions than i answer, you ladies just know so much more than I do.

I'm getting a little overwhelmed because in the past 9 days DH has released 7 times but of course one of the missed days was yesterday(this darn unexpected positive) the other was missed like day 3. And he does not seem to be into DTD at all today not that he won't but I don't know if I will be able to get him to release beforehand so I don't know what to do.

[Mochagirl]

That's tough, Jamie - we've had lots of months like that in the past. My DH doesn't believe in swaying and gets a little bitter when I start making demands like having him release before dtd. If you don't think you can get him to do it, maybe you could use rephresh and antihistamines to try to keep his sperm count down. Would he be more willing to release first if you (ahem) helped him do it? That's the only way I can ever manage to get dh to release.

[Jamie86]

That's tough, Jamie - we've had lots of months like that in the past. My DH doesn't believe in swaying and gets a little bitter when I start making demands like having him release before dtd. If you don't think you can get him to do it, maybe you could use rephresh and antihistamines to try to keep his sperm count down. Would he be more willing to release first if you (ahem) helped him do it? That's the only way I can ever manage to get dh to release.

DH has been pretty great about all the swaying stuff but he just has not been feeling well today. Although he always talks as if it's absolutes like when I say something I'm doing to sway he will say "oh so if you do x we will have a girl?" he looks at it very black and white. He has only released once on his own, I normally "help" him but he did do it on his own today and we will DTD in a couple of hours so I think it has worked out. I still think I will do the benadryl and I used rephresh this afternoon but I really hope all of that is not overkill.

[Mochagirl]

It sounds like a good attempt to me, Jamie! You're lucky dh is willing to go along with the swaying stuff - my dh thinks the whole thing is ridiculous and there's no way to get any better chance than 50%. He humours me, though, and only gently teases me when he sees me taking all my supps or eating my special diet.

[Jamie86]

Thanks! Yeah DH has been really good, I think because he remembers how strong he felt about wanting a boy with our first so he gets it in a way. For my birthday this year he gave me a charm necklace with our kids birthstones and initials on it and there was also a ballerina for the girl he said we will have. Although he does still tease me a little about some of the things I do. Like today when I was taping my OPKs to a paper and writing the cycle day beside them (yes I know I'm a nerd this is one of the first times in my life I haven't been either in school or studying for my CPA exam so I need something to be nerdy about).

[Jamie86]

I wanted to see what do you all think of this. I got the clear blue digital ovulation tests because in my last couple cycles I've had 3-4 days in a row with dark OPKs that all looked positive so I though a digital tests might eliminate some ambiguity. I decided to test with my cheap strips from the end of AF and start testing with the digital when the lines started getting darker. My strips started getting slightly darker but not enough to be confusing (still looked very negative) but I still decided to use the digital yesterday afternoon and it was positive (didn't use it in the morning). DH and I DTD last night but I really expected the digital and maybe even the strip as well to be positive this morning but neither were.

The reason I can't figure out what is going on and if I did ok with any sort of attempt is because this is not the normal pattern my cycle follow (of course). Even though my cycle is irregular I usually can tell with OPKs when I am about to O as they usually fade in. I was planning to DTD 2DBO, 1DBO, and on O but I'm wondering if O just surprised me this month. I was cramping slightly last night before we DTD but I'm just not sure now.

[rainbowflower]

I wanted to see what do you all think of this. I got the clear blue digital ovulation tests because in my last couple cycles I've had 3-4 days in a row with dark OPKs that all looked positive so I though a digital tests might eliminate some ambiguity. I decided to test with my cheap strips from the end of AF and start testing with the digital when the lines started getting darker. My strips started getting slightly darker but not enough to be confusing (still looked very negative) but I still decided to use the digital yesterday afternoon and it was positive (didn't use it in the morning). DH and I DTD last night but I really expected the digital and maybe even the strip as well to be positive this morning but neither were.

The reason I can't figure out what is going on and if I did ok with any sort of attempt is because this is not the normal pattern my cycle follow (of course). Even though my cycle is irregular I usually can tell with OPKs when I am about to O as they usually fade in. I was planning to DTD 2DBO, 1DBO, and on O but I'm wondering if O just surprised me this month. I was cramping slightly last night before we DTD but I'm just not sure now.

how strange! it does sound like it could have surprised you then. Lucky you tested when you did!
I had lots of pos OPKs in a row last cycle too and for the last 6 months have had a good fade-in pattern too, but not this cycle so far. Hmm

[Mochagirl]

Yep, definitely sounds like O surprised you, Jamie. Remind me - are you taking Vitex? With me I've found that the first few months taking it it kept me guessing with my cycle - making O early one month, late the next. Apparently this is a good thing - you WANT your cycle to be different than your usual if you're TTC a girl. So...take it as a good sign :wink:

[Mochagirl]

Grrrr...after that false start yesterday when I thought my cramps meant O was coming, there are practically no O signs today - my cervix is still mostly closed and only medium soft, and my cm is sticky. Boo! I have a feeling dh and I are going to be dtd in my MIL's bathroom later this week since I'm starting to be doubtful O is going to come before we leave for our trip.

[Jamie86]

I'm actually not taking vitex but I guess it's good that my cycle decided to be different on its own. I just feel a little worried that I didn't do everything right since I was not expecting it.

I'm sorry mocha I know it would really throw me off to have to be at my in laws house for our attempt. When will you be going? Maybe you can still O before then.

[Mochagirl]

We leave on Thursday morning, so our last chance for an attempt at home will be Wednesday night. We haven't had any attempts yet b/c dh is still releasing daily to get us to 7 days for a proper FR, but if I start getting O signs today I'm going to have him release once then dtd. If everything stays as it is now, I'll just have him release today then we'll start dtd daily tomorrow.

[Jamie86]

I really hope it happens for you before then, you still have some time.

[rainbowflower]

Mocha - that could make things more exciting for TTC, though... being a bit sneaky?

I don't know where OV is either, no fade in pattern on OPKs yet, but I do seem to have some EWCM at least and "high" on CBFM

[Mochagirl]

Mocha - that could make things more exciting for TTC, though... being a bit sneaky?



That's what we thought last summer when we had to make our attempts at the family cottage. It ended up just being stressful, uncomfortable, and no fun at all. We also ended up missing attempts at key times because we just couldn't find a private place to do it. :(

[auroara78]

Ah, Mocha I hope it works out for you OK...sounds like O may not come in time, but I really, really hope you'll find time and a place to DTD while you're away! Hopefully it will work out!

Yesterday, DS1 went to see "Happy Feet Two" with grandma and DS2 was napping and my husband flashed me again. At first, I was thinking, why is he always in the mood at the WRONG time of the month for me? LOL, then when I saw how insistent he was, (He was doing a terrible dance, was not sexy, just funny), I knew he wasn't going to be easily dismissed.

So we went back to the bedroom, yada ya, DTD, and I was really getting into it, but my O is still a week away exactly :( Anyhoo, after we were done, he admitted that while I was in the shower an hour before he whacked it, but he wanted to do it, and then he asked me if that'd be good for getting a girl.

He looked like such a proud school boy, LOL, it broke my heart, so earnet, trying to be helpful. I said it sways girl, but he'd have to keep it up for a week straight to make it have impact. His eyes got big and he seemed a little discouraged, but I thought...how sweet, I really, really do think he wants us to have a daughter....even if it's just for me, I think that's cute.

He usually doesn't believe in swaying at all, but there are times that he listens and tries to follow thru (like he's wearing tighty whiteys though he hates them), he's been cutting back on beef and a lot of meat (though he still does eat meat, he's drastically cut down his intake.)

I :awe: him for trying what he can

[auroara78]

Oh, and yeah, I stapled my finger today trying to fix the stapler....now my finger is pulsating and it's hard to type with this bandage wrapped around it....what a way to start a Monday!

[auroara78]

Lemon, will you / have you checked OPK today for a +? Being sick sways girl so this could be a good month to attempt!!

Jamie, did you DTD since you got a smiley face?

[Jamie86]

Lemon, will you / have you checked OPK today for a +? Being sick sways girl so this could be a good month to attempt!!

Jamie, did you DTD since you got a smiley face?

We DTD last night so I'm hoping that was enough I was planning on doing 3 attempts but with my wacky cycle I think we missed it. Although yesterday was CD13 and we DTD and DH released inside on CD11 (kind of on a whim), nothing on 12, and we will probably DTD again tonight.

Editing because when I reread what I wrote it was confusing even to me so here it is
CD 11: DTD at night (released inside)
CD 12: Nothing: DH didn't release at all
CD 13: Smiley face in afternoon, DH released on his own and then we DTD at night
CD 14: Today and I think we will DTD tonight as well.

And just in case anyone is wondering I'm definitely not relying on timing as a swaying method and I decided more than one attempt was best for our sway

I'm going to keep taking ovulation tests just to see if anything else happens with them because I'm a little confused. Although I did get the signs I normally get right before I O last night, I was cramping a little and bloated.

[auroara78]

Jamie, I think DTDing again tonight woudl be a good idea! Sometimes my OPKs stay pos for days, so I usually only really believe the first true pos I've had!

[Out of the Blue]

Well, FF is not my "friend", lol! Over the weekend it changed my crosshairs from the 13th to the 15th so I’m only 4dpo instead of 6dpo…Not a big deal but I wanted to test on Christmas at 12dpo but instead will only be 10dpo. :( Oh, well. I was looking at my charts and I always take a dip at 2 or 3dpo except my BFP chart…That one had no dip. I want to stay hopeful but my gut is telling me that this cycle will result in a BFN. This is my 1st time using RepHresh (as last BFP was an oopsie) so I’ll be scaling back for sure! I still plan to strap DH to the bed and DTD like rabbits again b/c I’m more “team preg” than “team girl” right now, lol.

[Out of the Blue]

I would so DTD a lot if my husband could handle it....I'm the one who always haggles my husband about getting some, and he usually says he's "tired" or "isn't interested"....he used to be a lot more into sex, so I'm hoping that because his sex drive has been in the dumps for a while, that will sway pink some, if he just doesn't have the "urge"...hoping that means low testosterone.
Auroara, I seriously have to drag DH upstairs when it’s BD time…He seriously hates it! TTC just plain sucks and is such a chore for both of us!!!
When it’s not TTC time, our roles reverse and it’s me who has to be drug upstairs. Seriously I feel like he’s “Peppe Le Peu” (remember that cartoon anyone???) and I’m that poor little cat who accidentally got a white stripe of paint spilled down her back. He just can’t get enough of me and I just can’t get away from him quick enough… :running:

You’ve got a great strategy to BD close to/on O! Do what you can to get him in bed…maybe give him some chocolate or other aphrodisiacs! Sounds like he may indeed have low T so that is very good for you!!!

[Out of the Blue]

Mocha, I’m sending you ALL THE EARLY O VIBES I can muster!!!
:cheerteam:
I’m so thrilled your body is back in action and ready to get this pink party started!!! It’s your time, MJ! :bigsmile:


DH has only been doing frequent release for 5 days and I planned to have him do it 2 more days before we start dtd...but should I throw all that out now and dtd anyway just in case O is coming? I don't want to miss my egg, but in the past I've always had about4 days of EWCM before I O....

Mocha, I don't think you'll miss your O but I'm sure you'll know what I'd do...(insert DTD smilie here!!!) If you have to DTD in your MIL’s bathroom, so be it! You are on a mission so don’t let a little annoyance like the venue derail you!!!

[Out of the Blue]

Jamie, sorry I’m late to the thread and this is old news but I’ve had some really bad IC OPKs and some really good IC OPKs. I took a FR OPK alongside my good IC OPK last week…The IC worked really well for me while the FR never gave me a +…It really depends on the kind you get I guess.

I think you are having a great attempt this cycle and I agree w/Auroara…BD again tonight if you can!

[Out of the Blue]

I don't know where OV is either, no fade in pattern on OPKs yet, but I do seem to have some EWCM at least and "high" on CBFM

Rainbow, same thing happened to me this round...I usually get a discernable fade pattern but this time my OPKs went from almost white to + so O snuck up on me...

[Jamie86]

So I guess I'm going to post a ridiculous amount today but I now I'm a little more confused. I just took another OPK, mainly just because it had been 4 hours since I last went and I wasn't sure if that would happen again today, but the strip looked positive (and it hasn't yet) so I used the clear blue and got a smiley face again. I just find that strange because I got a smiley yesterday afternoon and then didn't use the restroom all night and got nothing this morning at 6 and then at 10:30am get a smiley.

Either way we will DTD again tonight. But I do have a question are OPKs only positive before O or do they remain positive during and directly after O?

Out of The Blue: I've heard that about the ICs. I think this constitutes as the same thing I get mine from target they are in a little tube with 20 to the tube and they cost about $15. I know I could get them cheaper online but I'm so bad about remembering to order them that after my 1st couple months using the online ones I forgot to order before my next cycle and just found those at Target and have used them since then.

[Jamie86]

Rainbow, same thing happened to me this round...I usually get a discernable fade pattern but this time my OPKs went from almost white to + so O snuck up on me...

Seems to be a pattern for all of us! Maybe that means we all get pink BFPs!

[zanacal]

Jamie, I don't think you're meant to use FMU for OPKs so I would trust that it's another smiley for today. GL!

[Jamie86]

Jamie, I don't think you're meant to use FMU for OPKs so I would trust that it's another smiley for today. GL!

I've heard that as well but both brands I use the instructions say FMU is the best and it's always caught my O for me in the past. But given so many other brands say not to use FMU I will trust the later one.

[rainbowflower]

the clearblue ones are the exception when using FMU
but saying that they only advise to avoid it normally because those with short surges would be more likely to miss the surge that way. If you know you have a long surge there's no harm and may even get better results using FMU (I do)

[sweetsister]

Oh, Mocha, wouldn't that be awesome!! I keep thinking about getting like a mother's ring or necklace when I'm thru having kids, and the sapphire would look so cool in it :P I'd have the diamond/cubia Z for April (DS2) and I guess rose quartz or opal? (October for DS1) and then sapphire would look so neat with it...hehe I'm getting ahead of myself but it'd be sooooo cool if all of us got preggers at end of month / early next month and ended up with gorgeous september bundles of *pink* hopefully!

Also, I really want to hurry up and get a BFP becuz if our late Dec Christmas attempt is a NO, I will be skipping Jan, as I don't want my two kids to share a birth month if possible!

Aurora i have my DS1 with an oct birthday too and my ds2 is in may,so i was soo hoping for a august birthday but ive come to terms with sept being it bothered me so close to the others,but i will have to stop trying next month if this doesnt work as i dont want 2 the same month!
Im really pulling out all the stops this time we are dtd more this month than when we first met!
I like the ring idea too!

[auroara78]

Sweetsister, I'm with ya! I wanted an August bday too, a sassy little Leo, LOL

Now I am just praying and doing everything I can for a BFP, I will get rid of rephresh for sure, and just trust my body on this one....I just have such strong girl vibes....I really don't want to wait until March/April....(I'm personally not keen on the next following months....don't really want another Oct baby or even Nov...just cuz its so choatic with the holidays already!) but we'll see...

Let's hope this is our month to get preggers! Before an Oct. due date, LOL

[sweetsister]

I wanted to see what do you all think of this. I got the clear blue digital ovulation tests because in my last couple cycles I've had 3-4 days in a row with dark OPKs that all looked positive so I though a digital tests might eliminate some ambiguity. I decided to test with my cheap strips from the end of AF and start testing with the digital when the lines started getting darker. My strips started getting slightly darker but not enough to be confusing (still looked very negative) but I still decided to use the digital yesterday afternoon and it was positive (didn't use it in the morning). DH and I DTD last night but I really expected the digital and maybe even the strip as well to be positive this morning but neither were.

The reason I can't figure out what is going on and if I did ok with any sort of attempt is because this is not the normal pattern my cycle follow (of course). Even though my cycle is irregular I usually can tell with OPKs when I am about to O as they usually fade in. I was planning to DTD 2DBO, 1DBO, and on O but I'm wondering if O just surprised me this month. I was cramping slightly last night before we DTD but I'm just not sure now.

that is exactly what happened to me my last 2 cycles usually i have a fade in but i had a +one day and the next a darker than the test line +then gone?Im starting to not beleive the OPKs because still no BFP so this cycle im just DTD every second day regardless of what OPKs say?

[sweetsister]

Sweetsister, I'm with ya! I wanted an August bday too, a sassy little Leo, LOL

Now I am just praying and doing everything I can for a BFP, I will get rid of rephresh for sure, and just trust my body on this one....I just have such strong girl vibes....I really don't want to wait until March/April....(I'm personally not keen on the next following months....don't really want another Oct baby or even Nov...just cuz its so choatic with the holidays already!) but we'll see...

Let's hope this is our month to get preggers! Before an Oct. due date, LOL

Yeah we just might have dodged a bullet there because a leo girl born in the year of the Dragon what a fireball that could be?
So now it will be a virgo ,eehhem or she will be,better for me im a capricorn :)

[Jamie86]

the clearblue ones are the exception when using FMU
but saying that they only advise to avoid it normally because those with short surges would be more likely to miss the surge that way. If you know you have a long surge there's no harm and may even get better results using FMU (I do)

Yeah I normally do have a long surge (which is probably why I've been ok catching it with FMU in the past) but after reading more I do understand why most say not to use FMU. However, what I don't understand is how the same type of tests goes from positive, to negative to positive. Because I thought once the LH surge started it just continued till you O and then goes down so I don't understand why there would be a dip and then it would go back up. But I am a glad I got another smiley because for some reason I was really feeling panicked like I caught it to late when it was gone this morning.

[rainbowflower]

that is exactly what happened to me my last 2 cycles usually i have a fade in but i had a +one day and the next a darker than the test line +then gone?Im starting to not beleive the OPKs because still no BFP so this cycle im just DTD every second day regardless of what OPKs say?
is your DH releasing on the alternate days?
the OPKs are unlikely to be wrong, but perhaps you OV a bit later after the pos OPK than most? or maybe it's just bad luck that you haven't had a BFP yet. temping would tell you for sure when you OV

[Mochagirl]

Well, FF is not my "friend", lol! Over the weekend it changed my crosshairs from the 13th to the 15th so I’m only 4dpo instead of 6dpo…Not a big deal but I wanted to test on Christmas at 12dpo but instead will only be 10dpo. :( Oh, well. I was looking at my charts and I always take a dip at 2 or 3dpo except my BFP chart…That one had no dip. I want to stay hopeful but my gut is telling me that this cycle will result in a BFN. This is my 1st time using RepHresh (as last BFP was an oopsie) so I’ll be scaling back for sure! I still plan to strap DH to the bed and DTD like rabbits again b/c I’m more “team preg” than “team girl” right now, lol.

I'm sorry, Jen - it's frustrating to take a step backwards and not be as far into the wait as you hoped. I still think you have a great chance (remember that super fertility we're supposed to have post m/c), though, and will be hoping to hear BFP news to cheer me up during my loooooong stay with the in-laws.

And I hear you on 'team preg' - that's why I think I'm going to skip rephresh this cycle - I just can't bear the thought of having to TTC 4 months like I did last time since I didn't get my BFP until I dropped rephresh.

[Mochagirl]

Auroara, I seriously have to drag DH upstairs when it’s BD time…He seriously hates it! TTC just plain sucks and is such a chore for both of us!!!
When it’s not TTC time, our roles reverse and it’s me who has to be drug upstairs. Seriously I feel like he’s “Peppe Le Peu” (remember that cartoon anyone???) and I’m that poor little cat who accidentally got a white stripe of paint spilled down her back. He just can’t get enough of me and I just can’t get away from him quick enough… :running:


Sounds EXACTLY like my life, Jen! I think one of the reasons dh is a little bitter about all this swaying/TTC stuff is that he knows the only reason I suddenly want sex is to make a baby. I try my best to play the part to make him believe I'm actually into it, but most of the time I'd rather be watching tv or reading :oops:.

[Mochagirl]

So...I was out all morning doing Christmas shopping, and I kept getting a sharp pain in my left groin. I think usually my O pains are a little higher, more on my side - maybe this was something else? Anyway, when I got home I felt a little (sorry for the TMI) 'wet' down there, so I went to check my cm. EWCM!! Not a ton of it, but definitely stretchy. Hopefully this is a sign that O will come in a couple of days. I've been holding my pee all morning for an OPK and I think I'm going to try to wait another hour at least to make sure I get a really good sample. I want to see either a + or at least a nice, dark line that's starting to look close to +! I'll let you all know what happens!

[rainbowflower]

good luck Mocha! Maybe we can be bump buddies ;)

[Mochagirl]

good luck Mocha! Maybe we can be bump buddies ;)

I would LOVE that, rainbow! :HH:

[Mochagirl]

The OPK was negative, but darker than yesterday, so there's still hope.

So now I face the question: should we dtd tonight or not. DH has released every day for 6 days. We had been planning to have him release for 7 days before making our attempts, but now that I have ewcm, I'm eager to get started. My biggest fear is that I'll miss the egg entirely, though in the past I usually get several days of ewcm before I actually O.

What would you all do in my situation? If we dtd tonight, I'd have dh release once first. If I don't end up Oing until CD16, it will mean 4-5 attempts, which is more than I'd planned for, but if I O on CD13, which isn't unprecedented for me, it would mean 3 attempts, which is about what I was aiming for.

Should I be patient and wait and trust in those OPKs and my history that I still have at least 2-3 days until O? Is it just wishful thinking that I might O early? Just as a reminder, I'm not planning to use rephresh, though if we ended up having 5 attempts I might use a bit to try to keep the sperm levels down a bit....

[auroara78]

Tough call, Mocha, I feel ya on this...where you want to get started but....

this is going aganist much of my advice (which has been DO IT!!) but I'd think maybe better to let him just release tonight on his own and start DTDing tomorrow night?? I do think it would be OK too to DTD once he dropped the first batch.

It's so tempting! I know I am going to break the girl rules and DTD lots if I can get my husband up! haha!

[Mochagirl]

You're probably right, auroara - I severely doubt O is going to surprise me and come tomorrow since that's never happened before (I usually get days of ewcm first), but since this is my first cycle after my m/c, I just don't know what's going to happen... I'm also concerned because I don't really know when CD1 was - this could be CD11 today, and having O arrive at CD12 would be a little early but not crazy early. FWIW, I'm getting cramps and pains like crazy right now and my cervix is very soft and open.

[auroara78]

Hmm, well now I may change my mind on this :) if you're getting O pains and your cervix is even changing, it may very well come early since it is after m/c.....

I've changed my mind! Tackle that man, and tackle him fast! :pinksperm:

[Mochagirl]

You sound as indecisive as me, auroara! :bigsmile:

I was looking back at my previous charts, and I've never gotten O within a day of getting ewcm. When I go back and read my notes for my summer cycles, almost every day from CD10 on I think O must be happening right now (comments like 'my cervix is so open I could stick my whole finger in there'...3 days before O), but it never came earlier than 13 dpo, and by the time I conceived in September it was 16dpo.

I dunno...maybe I should use a fingerful of rephresh now, ask dh to release as soon as the kids are in bed (8ish) then dtd around 10-11? Or maybe I should stick to my original plan and hold off using rephresh this cycle and just have 2-3 attempts after I get a +OPK. I just lost all my trust in OPKs when I didn't get my + last cycle but FF still told me I ovulated. I was using digis and everything!

[lemon2012]

For what it is worth...I always say I have to trust my body!
I knew last week that my body was gearing up and I had the pains and everything. But, then I got sick.
Yesterday my o pains were harsh and I felt it was gearing up and fast...the opk was still negative and the cbfm was low still.
Then today....bam!
So, I assume I am ovulating now even though I often wonder if it is after the pain subsides or the next day or what!
(I cannot use temp bc sometimes it takes two days to rise and I am clearly without any EW or CM at all at that point).

Do you know girls? Do you o the day of peak on cbfm?

Is 5 attempts bad for some reason? I know it raises ph...but you will get more of a chance to get pg!
And so many women have girls after mc's.

Good luck!

[zanacal]

Mocha - because you're stressing about it I think you should go for it. Use some Rephresh if you like, get DH to release and then start your daily DTD. I think it's better if you can stop trying to second guess your body and worrying about missing O - if O comes early you're ok and if it doesn't you're still ok! GL!

[Mochagirl]

Sorry, lemon - I've never used a CBFM, so I have no idea!

Z - thanks for the advice. You're right - if I'm stressed about it, that's not going to help anything and might actually hurt my sway. I did take another OPK just now and it still isn't anywhere near +, but this pain in my left ovary has been strong all day! Maybe I'll get dh to release soon then I can always change my mind about dtd later - he needs to release either way, right? I might just use a teeny finger of rephresh though - just in case O is on the verge of happening, I don't want to kill all the spermies! If I do it right now it will be 4 hours before our attempt. Do you think that's ok? I really, really want to get pregnant this cycle....

[lemon2012]

Zan....since you are so helpful!!!!! We dtd this am and there was not much to the attempt at all. DH had a hard time keeping it up and in there...I am truly sorry this is TMI for SURE! He just does not release this much ever!
So, do you think we shld go again tonight or just leave it. We have lots in there from 0-2...and then whatever came out today....0 day! Just like mocha...i want to get pg!

Mocha...i think you need to start dtd...besides you are travelling on Thursday and they all need to be in there!
You hardly eat anything and you have 3 boys and Christmas....so stop stressing and start dtd!
I don't think he needs to release again before you dtd....if you are clearly not oing tomorrow it probably won't matter and if anything, it might make it harder closer to o...take it from me!

Again Z, how much came out of DH when you conceived,.....seems like a long shot for me!
But, my eggs are old....! groan!
And how much rephresh????

Mocha...you would now how much you used when you did not get pregnant...would this hurt your chances?
Maybe use a little?
Did you use the whole tube when it did not get you pregnant?

I hope we all get BFPs and girlies like Zan:)

[Mochagirl]

Lemon - I've never used a whole tube of rephresh close to O - only when I'm far away from my fertile period. I usually squirt about half a tube onto my finger and insert it that way - every 3 days. That's what I was doing for the 3 months in the summer when I wasn't able to get pregnant.

So...I updated on the swayers over 35 board, but I did end up putting some rephresh in, but by the time I did it it was only about 3 hours until our attempt. I also ended up using more than I intended - maybe 1/2 a tube. Now I'm worried I've ruined our chances of getting pregnant if O is indeed about to happen. I think maybe I won't get dh to release first after all and rely on our 6 days of daily release + 1/2 tube of rephresh to lower his sperm count. I'm definitely not jumping and dumping, either. I've taken zyrtec and might also pop a benedryl closer to BD time.

If O is still a few days away, hopefully the rephresh will have run its course and by then dh's sperm count will be low enough on its own for us to dtd without it. What do you all think? Have I messed up my sway?

[Jamie86]

I find this all confusing because I know that when reading about rephresh it says it is it safe to use while TTC but I know a lot of ladies here say it can really hurt your chances. I used a whole tube yesterday afternoon and then DTD last night and this afternoon, so did I perhaps ruin my chances of conceiving?

[Mochagirl]

I know, it IS confusing, isn't it?? Technically, rephresh is fine for TTC. Many women, including our own lovely Zanacal, have gotten pregnant while using tons of it. The fact is TTC is a gamble no matter what we do, and I think we all want to blame something for not getting our BFP.

For me personally, my BFP cycle last September came after I changed only one thing in my sway: I dropped the rephresh. The BFP may have had nothing to do with dropping the rephresh, but I've made that connection in my mind, which is why I'm leary of it.

That being said, you're young and likely a lot more fertile than me (I'm 37). I wouldn't worry about having used it, but if you don't get your BFP this cycle you could try to change it up and either not use it at all or use less of it.

[rainbowflower]

I know, it IS confusing, isn't it?? Technically, rephresh is fine for TTC. Many women, including our own lovely Zanacal, have gotten pregnant while using tons of it. The fact is TTC is a gamble no matter what we do, and I think we all want to blame something for not getting our BFP.

For me personally, my BFP cycle last September came after I changed only one thing in my sway: I dropped the rephresh. The BFP may have had nothing to do with dropping the rephresh, but I've made that connection in my mind, which is why I'm leary of it.

That being said, you're young and likely a lot more fertile than me (I'm 37). I wouldn't worry about having used it, but if you don't get your BFP this cycle you could try to change it up and either not use it at all or use less of it.
I think it's exactly this - chances are those on here who have boys had "better than average" fertility anyway so it can be a shock when lower fertility means it takes longer to conceive, and it's normal for AVERAGE fertility couples to take 6 months to conceive even if timing BD right around OV... and for pink swaying we're lowering fertility through diet, etc.
I definitely don't think RepHresh would prevent pregnancy, I think it taking longer to conceive is just a sign of a sway working.... frustrating as that is!

[Jamie86]

Thanks ladies! I get what you both are saying, I think it's hard also because it's my first cycle and I'm not sure if I'm doing too much or not enough but like you said if I don't get my BFP I can change some things next cycle.

This morning was a little strange again as my strip was VERY positive and the clear blue was negative again. I went and dug out the instructions and they clear blue definitely says to use first morning urine (not exclusively but it says it is usually best) but it seems to not catch it with first morning urine. I'm going to take another this afternoon and then I might stop because I'm pretty sure I Oed yesterday. I had light cramping Sunday night and then last night before going to bed my left ovary (or at least where it is located) had a few sharp pains and I've been bloating (which I'm not sure if bloating is a normal O symptom but I've noticed over the last year of tracking my cycle to TNTC that I bloat every time I ovulate).

[Mochagirl]

So....we did end up having an attempt last night. I'm glad we did it, even though I think O may still take a few days to arrive. I think it's better to be safe than sorry, and I don't want to be continually worrying I missed our egg. I used 1/2 tube of rephresh maybe 3 hours before the attempt and I also took a zyrtec, so I didn't bother having dh release beforehand - I decided to rely on his 6 days of release + those other factors to lower his sperm count. I hope that was enough!

My cervix is even more open today but the cramping has stopped for now. I'm going to try my best to do at least 2, maybe 3 opks a day to watch for my surge, but I find it sooooooo hard to have more than one concentrated pee sample a day with all the liquids I'm drinking (3 cups peppermint tea a day, 2 cups RRL tea, up to 3 cups CL/Diet Pepsi). Anyone have any advice on how to do this? Normally I only have coffee in the morning then wait until about 1pm to do an OPK, then I start drinking all my stuff for the rest of the afternoon/evening...but if I want to get an early evening OPK in there how should I time my drinks? I did do one with FMU this morning, and it was -, but it was just an ic and I don't think you're supposed to use those with FMU.

Anyway, I suppose in the end it doesn't matter as long as we keep dtd and temping so I know when O has come and gone. Still praying it's going to come in the next 2 days....

[Jamie86]

I wanted to add I had a strange dream last night. I was already pregnant and for some reason around someone with an ultrasound machine. I knew in my dream that I was 15 weeks and I told them I found out the sex with both my boys at 15 weeks (which is true) and begged them to take a look. I didn't even lay down I was standing there and pulled up my shirt and when they did the ultrasound I could see boy parts clear as day. So I was sad and trying to find a way to cope.

[Jamie86]

So....we did end up having an attempt last night. I'm glad we did it, even though I think O may still take a few days to arrive. I think it's better to be safe than sorry, and I don't want to be continually worrying I missed our egg. I used 1/2 tube of rephresh maybe 3 hours before the attempt and I also took a zyrtec, so I didn't bother having dh release beforehand - I decided to rely on his 6 days of release + those other factors to lower his sperm count. I hope that was enough!

My cervix is even more open today but the cramping has stopped for now. I'm going to try my best to do at least 2, maybe 3 opks a day to watch for my surge, but I find it sooooooo hard to have more than one concentrated pee sample a day with all the liquids I'm drinking (3 cups peppermint tea a day, 2 cups RRL tea, up to 3 cups CL/Diet Pepsi). Anyone have any advice on how to do this? Normally I only have coffee in the morning then wait until about 1pm to do an OPK, then I start drinking all my stuff for the rest of the afternoon/evening...but if I want to get an early evening OPK in there how should I time my drinks? I did do one with FMU this morning, and it was -, but it was just an ic and I don't think you're supposed to use those with FMU.

Anyway, I suppose in the end it doesn't matter as long as we keep dtd and temping so I know when O has come and gone. Still praying it's going to come in the next 2 days....


I think it was a great idea to have your attempt. And what you did sounds very similar to mine DH missed a day of release before our attempt so I used a whole tube of rephresh 3-4 hours before and took antihistamine before our attempt. In my amateur opinion I think you did great to make up to lower his sperm count especially considering it wasn't right on O day.

The drink problem is the issue I always have and why I usually take my OPKs with FMU. Maybe just drink what you are going to directly after you take one OPK and then don't drink again until after you take the next OPK. So divide the drink up semi evenly except perhaps drink a little more after you take your last OPK for the day. I'm really not sure I'm looking to see what advice you get.

[sweetsister]

So....we did end up having an attempt last night. I'm glad we did it, even though I think O may still take a few days to arrive. I think it's better to be safe than sorry, and I don't want to be continually worrying I missed our egg. I used 1/2 tube of rephresh maybe 3 hours before the attempt and I also took a zyrtec, so I didn't bother having dh release beforehand - I decided to rely on his 6 days of release + those other factors to lower his sperm count. I hope that was enough!

My cervix is even more open today but the cramping has stopped for now. I'm going to try my best to do at least 2, maybe 3 opks a day to watch for my surge, but I find it sooooooo hard to have more than one concentrated pee sample a day with all the liquids I'm drinking (3 cups peppermint tea a day, 2 cups RRL tea, up to 3 cups CL/Diet Pepsi). Anyone have any advice on how to do this? Normally I only have coffee in the morning then wait until about 1pm to do an OPK, then I start drinking all my stuff for the rest of the afternoon/evening...but if I want to get an early evening OPK in there how should I time my drinks? I did do one with FMU this morning, and it was -, but it was just an ic and I don't think you're supposed to use those with FMU.

Anyway, I suppose in the end it doesn't matter as long as we keep dtd and temping so I know when O has come and gone. Still praying it's going to come in the next 2 days....

Yeah im either going to try to test 2x for+opk this time one in the morning and middle of day,I always or strangeley get a + in the afternoon though but im not beleiving i will o any time near them though as i dont beleive they are reliable with me anyways.But i was going to suggest if your not already to pee in a cup and dip your tests ,as this might be more concentrated that way.And usually i have coffe in the morning then through the day my diet cokes and crystal light and evening peppermint tea,,but i have only 1 or 2 peppermint if any?

[Mochagirl]

Thanks, Jamie. I feel much more relaxed now about the whole thing, so I think it was the right decision for me.

[Mochagirl]

Thanks, sweetsister. I already pee in a cup and test that way - even with the mid****** tests. I like to always have the sample ready to retest with a digi if the results are ambiguous....

[auroara78]

Mocha, I'm glad you DTD so at least you have some peacefulness about it, and less worry, I still hope O will come early...will you be DTDing tongiht too just in case? or skip tonight?

I also have made the connection (whether right or wrong) that Represh prevented me from concieving last month. It may very well have been something else totally, but I can't help to think the ph change really slowed or confused DH's swimmers. But then again, we did only BD one time, but it was directly on O day, so who really knows? Rephresh is easy for me to blame, esp. considering how it irrirated me so badly down there!

Jamie, sorry about the strange dream about seeing the boy bits :(
A part of my problem is that I did have the U/S dream that showed a girl and I was so gloriously happy in my dream. I never dreamed girl or boy pregnant with my boys or even before hand, and all of sudden, I have such serene girl vibes, I'm worried I'm being lured into "easing off" my sway, and that somehow my gut feeling of getting a "girl" will ruin my sway.

Jamie, are you in the camp that you feel that since you've had two boys it'd be almost impossible to get a girl? Or are you in the camp that you feel that since you've had two boys, you could be destined to get the girl? I'm the latter camp, but I'm not sure how much of it is true or how much of it is wishful thinking....(remember that song..."I'm the king of wishful thinking..." I'm the Queen of it!)

Jen, are you still going to test on Christmas day at 10 dpo? Did FF change crosshairs again? Do you feel anything possibly preggy-like?

rainbowflower, I read your post about crosshairs....u don't think you really O'ed yet, right?

Lemon, I'm glad you DTD again! Good job! :cheer:

sometimes FF can be so frustrating!

[Mochagirl]

I'm fairly sure we'll dtd tonight...and probably every night until I O at this point. I now have some rephresh in there, which will last another couple of days, so I want to get some more sperm in there to up my chances of pregnancy. I also might just use zyrtec instead of my usual benedryl/zyrtec combo...at least until I've gotten to 72 hours post-rephresh.

[Mochagirl]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that my cervix is definitely SHOW today and I have a ton of ewcm.

[auroara78]

Here I go, going back and forth again on the represh issue! Now I'm thinking maybe I will just use it one time (a full applicator) and get a few attempts in....

I'm starting to get some signs of O coming up, getting some dull aches on left side and well the CM is more abundant, but not EW or stretchy at all...hoping the diet will curb some of the EWCM that I usually get tons of.

I keep telling everyone that I'm ready for next week to get here all ready and they all look at me funny, like, What about Christmas? I just want this work week to be over so that I can start DTD'ing later this week!! I am definitely planning more than one attempt, I would love to DTD like rabbits (ala Jen) but we'll see....

I still have to procue a stupid jeresy for my husband....I've asked him if he really, really wants that, and he's given me the look like, 'really? do you not love me'...I may have to buy my husband's body with a freaking jersey! I got a feeling if I don't give him what he really wants for Christmas he may not be in the mood to DTD!

On a side note, does anyone know what store I could purchase a good, solid back scratcher from? Hubby wants one but doesn't want a cheapie that's going to break.

[Mochagirl]

auroara - that was sort of what I ended up doing - a one-time rephresh application when I'm still (probably) a little away from O, but I doubt I'll use it again before O comes. If O doesn't come early, we'll definitely be doing it like bunnies.

I know what you mean about just wanting to get on with your attempt. I can't tell you how much better I felt after we dtd yesterday - at least I feel like I'm doing SOMETHING now instead of just waiting.

[Mochagirl]

Well, I got a definite negative OPK at 1pm after not drinking anything or peeing for 4 hours. O is definitely coming - my cervix is wide open, extremely soft, and I have TONS of EWCM, but it's starting to look like this cycle will be similar to past ones where I have O signs for many days before it actually comes :(.

I'm CD 11 today, and we leave for our trip on CD13. I have a feeling I'll O sometime between CD14 and 16 if my past cycles are any indication. Still send me your early O vibes,ladies - I'd really like to be done with our attempts before Thursday! What I'm hoping for is a cycle like I had last August, which was the earliest O I've ever recorded - I started having ewcm on CD10, same as this cycle, got my +OPK on CD12 (which would be tomorrow), then O'd on CD13, which would be the day of our trip - if we BD the night before that, I'd be satisfied with our attempt - it would be 3DBO, 2DBO and 1DBO. :pray:

[auroara78]

Here's hoping for a CD13 O for you Mocha!! :cheerteam: