Uk SMOG Wannabes ~ February

[deaks66]

oooh lavender, i have had my eye on a cast iron victorian bed for ages for ds2. What colour is yours? did you get it off e-bay. Id love a white or red one but they are so hard to come across! All the work to the house/garden sounds great...have you chosen the bits for the bathroom yet?

Sunset, sorry to hear serena is poorly. Poor little mites dont stand a chance with big brothers bringing germs home do they?!

Inglewood, how exciting to be finding out birthday tomorrow!! are you getting big now?

Chocolate, maybepink, pinga, babymad how are you all doing?

Maybe, any more strange feelings?!

I had a friend over today who is expecting bubs number three. She has two girls and would love a boy! Seen her nub on fb though and although i didnt let on, its VERY girly :( She asked me if i had a third if i would like a girl and i said i didnt really mind though out of choice obviously that would be nice. I genuinely felt that i didnt mind...its weird how some days im cool with it and some days im not. But its interesting to talk to someone who feels like we do but the other way around!

Anyway, hi everyone else!

Hoping for some results tomorrow.X

[Inglewood]

My benefit definetly finishes from April 2012. Beacuse they have changed the brackets etc.... I called and was told that If you earn a JOINT income of over £32,300 you get NOWT and that's that! (regardless of who earns more out of the couple) It used to be £44,000 till now. Absolute crap isn't it!! My Dh's income was more last year as he worked overtime to cover his partners sick leave and I did a few extra shifts over the year, the past year we are back on normal hours me 22.5, him 30hrs and as we earn over £32,300 (not by all that much) we get nothing, not even with me on half pay for 4.5mths and having twin babies! I have to call them once babies are born to double check, but doesn't look good!

watch this next Child benefit will be gone!!!

[Inglewood]

Aww, poor little Serena. It's awful but inevitable that they get ill so little when there are big brothers or sisters in the house. Caleb had chicken pox when he was 2 months old! I'll bet your mummy milk will get her better quickly :D

FX for good results tomorrow Deaks!

We will stop getting child benefit from April because DH earns (just!) over the higher tax bracket. I have nothing against means tested benefits but this one makes absolutely no sense to me at all - we would get nothing even if I wasn't working but if he earnt a little bit less and I also worked full time we'd earn far more AND get our child benefit. They need to look at joint household income but I guess they know they'd mess up the administration of that!

Have u heard they are stopping child benefit too? as with child tax credits??? Googled it, they are stopping it if 1 parent earns over £44k, we are ok. x

[maybebabythree]

Deaks - no all feelings that labour might be soon have gone :-( mums on the school run where shocked to see me but not as shocked as I was to be there. All I get is crippling stabbing cervix pains. At this rate I won't need contractions as my cervix will just give out. I hope your results come in tomorrow.

Can't wait now till I can get back in my heels. The first day on the school run after I have dave I am going to get out my six inch heels!

Sorry serena is poorly. My little man has constipation and won't stop crying. Poor things. I am almost as hurt as he is as I can't help make it better :-(

[charlieispy]

child benefit is still being debated as uproar that you could earn 70K joint and get it but if one earns 40K you wouldnt i am hoping they scrap it or we a up S)*& creek!!! DH is the main earner and only just over that it pays for the boys clothes/shoes/swimming without i would well have to work somehow almost fulltime!

Anyhoo deaks hope you got good results am shattered cant even type properly much love catch up tomoz x

[maybebabythree]

Yep the child benefit thing punishes the hard working. If I was to go back to work full time and do overtime child benefit would stop for me. Therefore no incentive what so ever to work full time. Plus they want to lower the wage bracket for 40% tax. Sod that! I am never working for 60% of my pay. This country favours the dossers and crack heads Im afraid.

[zanacal]

You always lose out being middle of the road, hard working people eh?! The potential new 'rule' doesn't take account of where people live too - in our part of the world it costs a lot just to live in a 'normal' house and live fairly comfortably. I hope they decide to do it differently because it's completely shit!!

[Lavenderlime]

Sunset I hope Serena feels better soon poor little thing.

Maybe I hope your ds feels better soon too it's horrible when they are unwell.

Deaks,

I got the bed on e-bay from a lady that only lives 20 minutes away from us! It has been shotblasted and re-painted cream about 5 years ago. It's really sweet. Ds1 has a red cast iron bed it's from a decommissioned navy ship and was shot blasted and re-powdercoated and baked with red paint. I got it from a couple that specialise in restoring victorian childrens beds. I called her but she didn't have any dormitory beds in stock and was having trouble getting hold of them but popped my name on the top of the list for when they tracked one down. Then luckily I found one on ebay and in good condition too! all castors intact and managed to get a reasonable BIN price.

I think ds1's bed is still on their website i'll see Home (http://www.jelly-jam.co.uk/index.html) here it is Ds has also got the quilt and cushion that she made and she'll be making a quilt for ds2! They are a lovely couple i'd love a business where I could spend my days sewing and hunting around auction houses.

[deaks66]

oh maybe, i remember those feelings of being desperate to get back into normal clothes/shoes etc! So funny how things change, now i am desperate to be big enough to fit into a really cool denim maternity dress i found in h&m..... ha ha!!

Lavender, love those beds and that site! If and when we buy this blinkin house i think im gonna get a couple of those! ds1's bed is an old pine french bed. Got it for a real bargain on ebay only to find out that the custom size matress that i had to buy for it cost an arm and a leg....ooops!

[pinga]

Hi all....

not been on here for a few days... just been trying to catch up on everything!

Wow maybe - you haven't popped out Dave yet. Not long now though!!! Any day really :)

I have 2 tired little boys today... DS1 kept getting up in the night which wakes everyone up. I've sat them down in front of Play School to stop the whinging!

Had such a lovely night out on Saturday. Went out for dinner with my Mothers Group. Got to bed at 1am which made Sunday very tiring! So rarely seem to get out. Must admit we always end up talking about the kids... but its so nice to be able to talk to each other without children interupting every 5 seconds.

Don't know much about Child Care benefit in the UK :D I am trying to work out what I am eligible for when DS3 arrives. I either get $5000 or I qualify for Paid Parental Leave which might be a bit more. We only just got a maternity pay system over here and the government pays it. Almost all companies only give you is 1 year off no pay.

Lavender - the cast iron beds sound lovely!!! I love that kind of thing...

I'm think I'm doing ok. Another girl in my Mothers Group is expecting. She already has a little girl and she is due about 5 weeks before me. I think she slipped up and said ''he'' when she was talking about the baby. I'm hoping it is a boy as I think it will be a little easier for me... probably a bit selfish of me... but hey.

Anyways - need to pop to the shops with the boys...

[pebmcpd7]

No, just the once. I don't believe timing sways at all but I wanted to make sure we DTD on the third of DH's 'releases' in a 24 hour period and he released twice a day for 10 days prior to that.

I feel massive too, hate to wish away the rest of my last pregnancy but I really am!

twice a day, did atomic advise once and you just FR twice instead???

[indigoviolet]

Hello lovelies!

sorry been away so much, back now and feeling better!

Good luck with the results deaks FX

sunset, sorry serena is poorly, hope she gets better soon.

Maybe- havn't seen you for ages, hope I bump into you again soon. those last few weeks are SO hard, hang in there ((hugs))

afm, have my private scan booked for thurs, don't know if I want to go and actually find out!! I'm in a good place just being pg and finally being able to enjoy it, don't want to spoil it with gd....but I guess I also want to know and the sooner in a way the better. the only prob is I'd have to go on my own with ds2 and then I'd have no time after on my own if I need it as then it is school pick up and grandad visit etc....I just don't know

Anyway, will be on again later, have a good day ladies.

[deaks66]

Pinga, lovely to hear from you! so glad you are doing ok and i totally know what you mean when its easier if a friend tells you they are expecting a boy...and i dont think its selfish of you at all!

Indigo, lovely to hear from you too! so glad also that you are in a lovely place with your pg..... after my wobbly first week where i didnt know how i felt, i too now feel happy just tp be pg and am happy with the prospect of another boy :) Will be looking forward to hearing about your scan! Perhaps having ds2 with you will make you feel stronger to cope.

So i got my results at last and not only had they doubled in 48hrs but they had trebled...yippee! Plus i had worked out that for 18/19 dpo they were already above average and at 20/21 dpo they were far above average :) :)

Sunset, glad serena is better today :)

[littlemisswilko]

hiya girls! had a rough week

was going to my mams on saturday when some old lady crashed into the back of me doing around 30/40 mph whilst i was stationary waiting for a vehicle to turn right. I was on my own with the 2 boys, but thankfully were all okay. Did go to hospital as i was worried about the baby and the boys and my back and neck were hurting. Ds1 also complained his neck was hurting. At the moment we have a courtesy car as ours looks like its a write off. :(

got my results back from the downs syndrome test they do and pleased it was 1:50,000

Hope everyone is okay!!! will try and catch up!

[Kell]

Lmw gosh what a horrible time for you, hope you are all ok x

Deaks so glad your levels are good!! See all that panic, we knew you'd be fine hun!

Indigo if you don't feel ready you can cancel or re-schedule, if your ok with things now maybe you could stay team green?

Afm well not much going on really lol, me and Charlie had lunch with a friend this afternoon it was nice but Charlie was tired and not the nicest of children :( I know it's quite normal at 2 and a half but made me feel like I couldn't control him.

Does anyone dye their hair? Unfortunatly I've noticed far too many grey hairs :( my problem is that even shampoo going over my face can cause my eyes to puff up again, also not sure about doing it while pregnant! I guess I need to find something natural but haven't got a clue where to start?

[charlieispy]

LMW - omg so glad you are al ok x huge hugs how scary x x :( for written off car

Deaks :D :D :D for your levels YAY so happy for you

Indigo - omg i cant believe you are so far gone already :D its a toughy if you think it would be easier to manage at a different time maybe ring them but whatever you decide FX for pink

4wks till 4d scan....... COME ON ALREADY lol

anyone having pancakes today?? Just making my batter ready for later x

WAVE Sto all

[Sunset]

Hello and Happy pancake day ladies :D

Littlemisswilko ~ OMG how scary! so happy to hear you're all alright!! how could she not see you? :S

Deaks ~ Yay!!! so happy for you! i've been thinking about you today and hoping you would get good news so that's made my day! :D now you just need a pregnancy ticker ;)

Indigoviolet ~ awww i can't believe you're next up to find out! that's come around so quick!! good luck, i'll be here stalking for sure and i promise to wear something pink for you :) we really need some more pink news on here so fingers crossed this is your girl!!

charlieispy ~ i have a feeling these 4 weeks are gonna drag for you :p are you excited to see your baby in 4d? did you have a 4d scan with the others?

pinga ~ you're not a horrible friend at all! for me it's a bit different, i don't necessarily think it's easier just because someone is expecting a boy, what gets my gd clock ticking is when people get their pigeon pairs... which is everyone i know since i'm the only without the pigeon pair! i hate the feeling of jealousy since i have absolutely no reason to feel bitter, but i find it so unfair that they've never had to suffer through gender comments left to right from friends and complete strangers and the whole "you'll have to try again for that girl". i think it's rather hurtful when someone announces a pigeon pair on fb and they get the classic comment "you have the perfect family now"... what does that mean really??? is my family not perfect just because i didnt have a boy and a girl first? *big sigh* that's it, rant over! lol

afm Serena is fever free today so i'm very very happy! i was so worried yesterday when she was burning up :( i feel sorry for her having to eat the horrible antibiotics but she doesn't seem to mind, she actually thinks the calpol is far worse and pulls all sorts of faces lol :p i can't believe how unlucky we've been this half term, first ds1 got an ear infection, then ds1 and ds2 got the sickness bug and then dd gets a chest infection.... i really hope we can all stay healthy for a while now!

[Sunset]

Afm well not much going on really lol, me and Charlie had lunch with a friend this afternoon it was nice but Charlie was tired and not the nicest of children :( I know it's quite normal at 2 and a half but made me feel like I couldn't control him.

I think those feelings are normal! i know i feel like that if my boys are playing up while we're out.. dont worry too much about it hun ((hug))



Does anyone dye their hair? Unfortunatly I've noticed far too many grey hairs :( my problem is that even shampoo going over my face can cause my eyes to puff up again, also not sure about doing it while pregnant! I guess I need to find something natural but haven't got a clue where to start?

I do, but i didn't dare to have my haired dyed while i was pregnant.. i have been told though several times that it's safe to dye your hair when you're pregnant

[Sunset]

got my results back from the downs syndrome test they do and pleased it was 1:50,000


Liking this! :agree: Those are excellent numbers! I only got 1:998 which i was very surprised by given my young age..

[Sunset]

Does anyone of you ladies or your partners have a kindle reader or perhaps any other type of e-book reader? and what are your thoughts on them?
I got a kindle for christmas and i love it, but at the same time i really cant shake the feeling that it's not the same as reading a real paper book. it annoys me that i don't get a 'book' or something 'real' iykwim but just an 'information file'.. i find that i do my research much more now before i buy a book, and if the kindle book is near the same price as the paper book i tend to always by the paper copy. I don't want to sound cheap but i just think £4 (as is the price of most books in ASDA) is alot of money for a 'file' that i don't even own the copyrights to.. :S perhaps i'm just stuck in the olden age lol

[littlemisswilko]

Does anyone dye their hair? Unfortunatly I've noticed far too many grey hairs :( my problem is that even shampoo going over my face can cause my eyes to puff up again, also not sure about doing it while pregnant! I guess I need to find something natural but haven't got a clue where to start?

I dye my hair and its quite harsh on my hair too as its bleached. i know when i was pg with my boys i only had it highlighted so the peroxide didnt touch my scalp but this time im not sure what to do as i dye the whole lot now and my roots are around an inch long. The last time i bleached it was before xmas and before i knew i was pg but i would have been pg iykwim. i was doing abit of reasearch and they say its fine to dye your hair after being 12 weeks pg so u should be fine. If your still abit worried try using a semi perminant if your dark as these are good to cover greys for a short period of time and dont have too many chemicals in! HTH

[littlemisswilko]

sunset - my mam got one for xmas but i know the only book files she gets on it are the freebies. i dont know wether she goes to a certain site to get them from but i know the ones she's had on it she hasnt paid for them.

[charlieispy]

Sunset - hope you are all well for a long time now!! Glad serena is getting better x x as for kindles I only really read in the bath so kindles are no go! I get alot of books from my mum and anything i do buy comes from amazon as usually cheap....it annoys me kindle downloads seem to be pushing up book prices though. nothing like hold ing a real book IMO

and yep its dragging already

[zanacal]

Deaks - so glad your test results were fantastic!

Sunset - glad Serena is better today and I hope you all get a rest from the bugs for a while now.

LMW - how awful, I'm so glad you're all ok though x

Peb - the advice for frequent release is to release at least once a day for 7-10 days but my DH could do that easily and was likely doing that when we conceived our boys so I felt we needed to step it up a gear.

[indigoviolet]

Deaks- woohoo, that's awesome, such a relief, so happy for you. You can now relax a bit and start to enjoy the pg.

Thanks for your advice ladies about the scan, it is a free one as the clinic is a year old so I couldn't reschedule...maybe just go and get her to write it down (if they will lol!)

LMW- what a total pain about your car, it is such a hassle for you, just what you don't need, thank goodness you are all ok though.

sunset- super glad serena is well again, long may it last.

charlie- I can't believe I am there either...weird to be thinking about finding out. You always seem so far ahead of me and I think I have so much time to decide but suddenly I'm there, eek! Are you definitely finding out at the 4d scan? It's probably hard not to see!

[Inglewood]

So i got my results at last and not only had they doubled in 48hrs but they had trebled...yippee! Plus i had worked out that for 18/19 dpo they were already above average and at 20/21 dpo they were far above average :) :)

TWINS??? lol

[Inglewood]

Sunset, glad serena is better. What a worry. x

Indigo, wow a free scan!! Bet u can't wait!

LMW, OMG!! how awful.. Poor kids and you! Hope ur ok... take it easy!

Kell, I dye my hair, having it done next week to cover my grey!! lol It was last done when I was about 14wks pg. Think hitting 33 gave me 33 more grey hairs since fri!! I go to the hairdresser, she uses dye safe for pg women. I always highlighted my hair until end last yr when I decided to go back to all brown.

Zanacal, 4 sleeps till ur 4d scan, bet ur excited!!

AFM, had an 'annoying' day. Went to scan, told sonographer I was keen to hear babies weights and she didn't tell me this time! Went to see Consultant and she wasn't there, saw the registrar who WOULDN'T give me my section date!!!! Said "your only 29+5, still so much time" PANTS!!!!! I have kids to organise as it's the school hols beg April and Dh's work needs around 6wks notice!!! Consultant told me I'd be sectioned at 36wks, she told me 36-38wks today!!! what?? make up their minds!! Last week another doc told me 37wks!!!! Asked about the 'clicking' noise and was told it was "fluid" as the babies have the max amount of fluid they will have at the moment and I've to take it easy as there is a 50% chance I could go into labour over the next 2/3wks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was thinking "WTF" into myself!!! I told the midwife my bloods were to be repeated since starting the Sytron Liquid and she disagreed with me until she read my notes!! Had ++protein in my urine, but since BP was ok and no swelling, they weren't concerned. I usually enjoy my hosp visits and so look forward to them, but not today :(

[zanacal]

Oh my goodness Inglewood, what a nightmare! I can't believe they said you have a 50% chance of going in to labour in 2 or 3 weeks, as if you don't have enough to worry about - and now you don't even know when you'll have the babies. So frustrating and I hope your next appointment brings more answers than questions.

I am excited about Saturday but also slightly nervous about taking DS3 out for such a long day when I've only just potty trained him - he'd better not wee on the sofa in the ultrasound room (or worse!)!!

[Petal]

Hi girls,
Ah Sunset, glad your little girl is on the mend now :-) My ds3 is still poorly, hes been tested for rotavirus which is a dirrareah bug which lasts 4 weeks! great!
My ds1 has a kindle, he LOVES it, hes such a book worm :-) DH downloaded a ton of books for him off a torrent site for free (oops, did i just say that) lol.

LMW, glad you are all ok after your car accident!! i hope the person that drove into you was very sorry!!

Oh Inglewood, stupid midwife!! hope your ok, take it easy over the next few weeks! even more reason to put your feet up ;-)

Hi to everyone else!!!

Ps, im up for the Wells meet up!! im just down the road (about an hour) so anytime is good for me :-) I dont mind meeting with or without all the children, would be quite nice for them all to play, would be about 20 boys!!! haha x

[charlieispy]

we would definitely need footballs petal! Although with a whole beach there is plenty to get into to!

[deaks66]

TWINS??? lol

oh god, hadnt even thought about that scenario! how much had yours increased by? Maybe its that liqourice root you posted to me!

Sorry you had a rubbish hospital app....not what you need at all :(

[Lavenderlime]

Just a quick one,

Deaks fab news about bloods! Eeek to pos twins!

Inglewood what a stressful apt. Hope the next one is more successful

LMW you poor thing how scary for you all. Glad to hear you are all ok.

Indigo I acan understand you being aprehensive about your scan on Thursday I would feel the same it's only natural especially when you swayed. FX for pink

Zanacal enjoy your 3D scan!

Kell I have relaxed my hair when pregnant which uses harsher chemicals than hair dyes as it chemicaly straightens your hair. But there are vegetable dyes you can use or henna if you are going darker. I love Henna but it smells and is so messy to put on gets every where. Lush do some great colours.

Hello Charlie and Petal
Hello to everyone else i've missed.

Night

[maybebabythree]

Good luck for Thursday indigo! I did see you on Monday but was wodling at snail pase through the church yard. Not a pretty site now as nothing fits me! Can only fit into my £15 fake uggs and might have to give into the tracksuit bottoms too soon. Only put on half a stone as well!

I was going to suggest henna as a dye. I used to dye red when I was uni but it did pong!

Inglewood - cross those legs! 30 weeks is a good gestation but would mean scbu - 34 would be a heap better as you might avoid scbu then. I wonder how much they make up as they go along. Some doctors really listen and some seem to presume that anyone without a phd has a iq of 10!

[Babymad]

Hi Girls....

Just a quickie as snowed under with work!!

Deaks ~ Fab numbers and very girly?! :) Really pleased xx

Indigo ~ GL with for scan tomorrow - I will be wearing pink xx

Inglewood ~ Hugs hun - thats the last thing you need to hear!! Could you make another app and express your concerns?

Hi everyone else...will catch up properly later xx

[Inglewood]

Deaks, they never told me my blood results! They were taken at wk 7/8 and I was never told the results. At my 12wk appt (when I found out there was 2 in there) she said "yes, ur levels were high" but I never asked anymore. LOL @ the liq root thought!!! x

Maybe, not long now...anymore 'contraction' feelings?? The doc told my the most vunerable time is 28-32wks for spontanous labour with twins and since I've never laboured past 2cm (with ds1) I am in shock!! Trying to be super conscious of what I do....she says taking the boys into town for haircuts and the dentist later!! Part of me wanted to shout out "I'm a nurse" as I never mention it to them and it's sad to say but sometimes u get spoken to a bit better!!! shocking I know! Take it easy....snails pace is best!!

Babymad, my friend told me to call and ask for an appt with the Consultant since I haven't actually seen her for a month, but I'm gonna wait till I see her 6th March and if it's her registrar then ask to see her also. Just explain dh might loose out on his 7wk leave if I don't get a date soon and plus, she told me 36wks is when she would be sectioning me, so he's organised those 7wks off around an approx date of just over 36wks pg. Consultant is ALOT nicer, so Fx she is there next time or I will ask to meet with her. Hope ur well?

Petal, How cute is your baby boy!!! Gorg big blue eyes and smiles.... can't believe he's 3mths! x

Indigo....1 more sleep!

[Inglewood]

Deaks, they never told me my blood results! They were taken at wk 7/8 and I was never told the results. At my 12wk appt (when I found out there was 2 in there) she said "yes, ur levels were high" but I never asked anymore. LOL @ the liq root thought!!! x

Maybe, not long now...anymore 'contraction' feelings?? The doc told my the most vunerable time is 28-32wks for spontanous labour with twins and since I've never laboured past 2cm (with ds1) I am in shock!! Trying to be super conscious of what I do....she says taking the boys into town for haircuts and the dentist later!! Part of me wanted to shout out "I'm a nurse" as I never mention it to them and it's sad to say but sometimes u get spoken to a bit better!!! shocking I know! Take it easy....snails pace is best!!

Babymad, my friend told me to call and ask for an appt with the Consultant since I haven't actually seen her for a month, but I'm gonna wait till I see her 6th March and if it's her registrar then ask to see her also. Just explain dh might loose out on his 7wk leave if I don't get a date soon and plus, she told me 36wks is when she would be sectioning me, so he's organised those 7wks off around an approx date of just over 36wks pg. Consultant is ALOT nicer, so Fx she is there next time or I will ask to meet with her. Hope ur well?

Petal, How cute is your baby boy!!! Gorg big blue eyes and smiles.... can't believe he's 3mths! Shame he's still not so good :( x

Indigo....1 more sleep!

[Inglewood]

Oh my goodness Inglewood, what a nightmare! I can't believe they said you have a 50% chance of going in to labour in 2 or 3 weeks, as if you don't have enough to worry about - and now you don't even know when you'll have the babies. So frustrating and I hope your next appointment brings more answers than questions.

I am excited about Saturday but also slightly nervous about taking DS3 out for such a long day when I've only just potty trained him - he'd better not wee on the sofa in the ultrasound room (or worse!)!!

Bet he's a wee star and what better reward than seeing his new baby sister! It is quite stressful taking them out at first, even tho it's been years for me, I still remember the dread of going out at times and bag of clean pants!!

[indigoviolet]

Hi ladies, hope you are having nice days. I'm terrified of tomorrow....really starting to kick in now. Why do we all have to go through this? ugh.

Petal- sorry about your little man, what a pain. Has he tested positive or were they testing to find out? Hope he hasn't got it.

Inglewood- wow, that is hard work dealing with so many professionals who all have a different opinion. I don't think they really grasp how important it is for you, it's kind of a big life changing event for you but for them it is just another job. take it easy and will be praying they don't arrive too early.

Maybe- you take it easy too, definitely wear what is comfortable. My goodness, you are so close now!!

[GeCon]

I decided to come out of hiding a bit more and say "Hello". I have been lurking for a few months, but didn't really have much to contribute.

I stopped taking the pill on 1st November and have since been waiting for ovulation and/or AF. I am currently temping to give me an idea of when ovulation has taken place, but so far nothing... We are hoping to attempt next cycle whenever this will be. I am still BF our son who will be 18 months old on Friday.

I have started temping on 1st November and FF counts this as CD1 although that's not strictly true as I did not have AF. FF says I am currently on CD114.:sigh:

Just needed to get this off my chest, I think as we are not telling anyone that we are hoping to TTC soon and the waiting is getting to me a little. Not stressing about it, but could really do with something happening in there.

[chocolate]

Inglewood, could you just call your consultant and run past her/him what has been said and see what they say about c date etc?

Zanacal, just take some spare clothes,wipes and carrier bags lol, I remember those days, made DS sit on a towel lol

Hi Gecon, hope you get an af soon! Probably due to breastfeeding still, didnt get mine till a month or so after stopping night feeds and only feeding 2 times in the day.


Well I had a disatarous day, basically OH couldnt get Saturday off work so I had my private scan today and she kept looking between the legs saying the cord is in the way. I asked for a nub shot and she gave me a 3d pic front view showing nothing, no now have to wait till the 19 week scan unless I go back at 16 weeks, still think boy though lol

[charlieispy]

GOOD LUCK indigo x x FX FX FX for pink

never guess what my scan has been bloody cancelled due to a work meeting!! Got to reschduele!

[deaks66]

Hi all!

Welcome Gecon, hope you get on track with ov/af very soon!

Chocolate, what a pain about your scan! Though i guess looking at the bubs from any angle (other than a 2d side profile) at 12 weeks would be inaccurate anyway really for gender guessing. Still keeping my fx its pink for you!

Indigo, thinking of you loads hun! You will be fine hun whatever the outcome and i have a good feeling for you anyway! Remember how much you love those 2 little boys and you will feel the same about this one regardless :) Will wear some pink and keep my fx for you!

Babymad, trying not to read anything into triple hcg levels as there are a million stories of women with high levels and both genders. Its not as though my level is through the roof anyway, just better than i expected! Got a scan this sat, cant wait! I guess i will start to obsess about ramzi next! It never stops does it! how are you hun?

[deaks66]

GOOD LUCK indigo x x FX FX FX for pink

never guess what my scan has been bloody cancelled due to a work meeting!! Got to reschduele!

Oh charlie, how annoying! you dont seem to have much luck with this appointment do you!

[deaks66]

LOVING having pregnancy tickers at last!

[deaks66]

oh and charlie, i see on your baby pool, that 'daddy' is guessing boy!

[charlieispy]

haha yes deaks!! Daddy has bet blue just been looking at available appointments i could go friday for a gender scan so tempted but then thats £80 or wait and save it for the 4d which is £110......arrgghhhhhh but i cant see anytimes we can do all of us other than the one we booked!

[indigoviolet]

Oh chocolate, that is SO frustrating....maybe they will give you another one for free since you didn't get a good shot? or one at 16 weeks. I know how you must be feeling.

deaks, charlie, Maybe, Babymad thanks for the support, means a lot :HH:

[indigoviolet]

Charlie- eeek you could do Friday and find out in 2 days....but nicer for you to all go together.

[Petal]

Ah Charlie, go friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehe x

Thinking of you tomorrow Indigo, hoping you hear pink :-)

Great news Deaks :-)))

I rang the docs for ds3's test results and no bugs were grown so hes in the clear for rotovirus, i took him back to the docs though as the diarrea hasnt stopped although it has eased up a bit. The doc checked him from head to toe, even managed to get a wee sample which was interesting lol. She said he may be temporaily lactose intolerant caused by the bout of diarrea, said i should try n breast fed n cut out formula!!!! he does half n half at the moment, told her theres no way i can produce an extra 20 oz's over night!! or to put him on lactose free milk, she said aslong as hes putting on weight then not to worry!! well i was worried so found a clinic which was doing weigh-ins today and spoke to the health visitor, he weighs 14lbs!!! and she said what the doc had told me was wrong?!! that breast milk has lactose too and to carry on doing what i was doing, that he's perfectly healthy and a very happy boy, said to change to another brand formula if it doenst clear up b4 thinking of putting him on lactose free! ahhhh
Anyway, im hoping he is on the mend now, its 9pm and hes only been twice today bless him so fingers crossed.....

Blimy, what an essay lol x

[Inglewood]

Petal, the wee man! always descions, what to do isn't it? Mummy knows best! so just do what u think is right for him :)

Indigo, FX for tom, will be wearing PINK!!

Charlie, wow, what to do?? I'd prob go friday!!!

Deaks, loving the tickers!!!

Had a busy afternoon, boys haircuts, dentist, wee treat for them to burger king then home for a nice bath...off to watch OBEM....love it! nite ladies xx

[deaks66]

oh petal, sounds awful what your little man has had. Annoying when health practicsioners give conflicting advice... definately go with your instinct and i hope he is better still tomorrow :)

[GeCon]

I was just wondering what HPT's you ladies are using / have used? Are there any good ones or any to avoid? We have only ever used a CB Digital one, which was great, but since Atomic recommends testing once a month when you are on supplements I am wondering if I should get some cheaper ones. :think:

[maybebabythree]

Love the ticker deaks. ;-)

Massive luck for tomorrow indigo! We are a bit boy heavy ATM so the odds are in your favour as we normally run along the 50:50 mark ;-) I will wear pink for you x

Petal your poor lil chap! I remember when ds2 had a sickness bug. Dh went to Germany for the weekend and ds2 was hurling from the moment he left. He wouldnt eat or drink and didn't poo for a week. Finally he got seen on the childrens ward and they was talking of putting a tube in him but had no beds so was phoneing round the London hospitals. A consultant saw us and helped me force fluid into him with a syringe as he was so dehydrated they would not discharge him. About five hours later he did the biggest poop ever which flowed out the top of his nappy all over dh! unbelievably I had no change bag with me (social services take note...)

Such beautiful memories - I love being a mum! (and I'm doing it all again??!!)

[HopeandDreamG]

Indigo- wanted to wish you luck tomorrow. Fingers crossed for you!!!! :)

[Kell]

Indigo good luck!! What times your scan so we can all stork for the news?

Deaks Awww love the tickers! :)

Chocolate id probably want to go Friday, hard decision to

Petal so glad ds results came back ok! Hope the little man is better soon!

Maybe lol what a lovely story! Being a mum is so glamourous at times huh lol!

Inglewood sorry you've not seen your consultant, hope you manage to see her soon, what a pain it is seeing so many different people!

I've got and ordered henna hair dye, my hair is almost black naturally so I've got a dark colour, hopefully it'll look ok, I guess only time will tell! :)
We have our 20 week scan next Friday, dp mum wants to come with us, I'll have to ask I'm not sure how many people the hospitals let in.

[Sunset]

Morning ladies!!

Indigoviolet ~ good luck today! :cheer: I'm wearing pink socks for you! :)

Inglewood ~ yay for 30 weeks!!

Maybebaby ~ 38 weeks!!!! eeek any day now ;)

GeCon ~ i always used the internet cheapies and had no problem with them :)


Petal ~ bless your ds3! i think it sounds like you're doing a great job! i hope he gets better soon!

Kell ~ our hospital allows for 2 people to come in the scanning room

hello to everyone else!!!! :)

[indigoviolet]

Morning girls...thanks for all the luck and good wishes. The scan is this afternoon but will be going straight to swimming lessons and then grandad arriving so won't get on til much later, sorry!! You will be the first (and only) people I'll be telling so be desperate to get on.

thanks for the odds maybe, I'll happily make up the girl numbers ;)

Have good days all :HH:

charlie- have you decided when to go for the scan?

[Inglewood]

Indigo.....GL!! FX!! so excited for you!! xx

Can I ask you ladies..... twice today I have see *stars* and my right eye went all blurry... my BP on tues was fine at 120/70, so not thinking it's that and did although I did have ++protein in my urine, Ialways have + protein, even when not pg. I'm just being paranoid right????? Never had vision prob's in pg. I did bend down to put something in the bin, but didn't go down or come up too fast..... Maybe more anaemic??? will keep an eye on it! (pardon the pun)

Sunset, I know 30wks today!! OMG! x

[charlieispy]

GOOD LUCK indigo x x

inglewood - phone your MW if you are worried hun better be safe x if not you could always go into a pharmacy get your BP checked??

[maybebabythree]

Inglewood I always get that in late pg even if I just look down then look up so I think it sounds normal. You x litres of extra blood now. However still worth getting bp checked. Twins up your odds of pre eclampsia. However it really dosent sound like it but not worth ignoring x

[littlemisswilko]

good luck indigo!!! will be checking later

[Inglewood]

Charlie and Maybe, Thanks! my dad has a bp machine (since he had his stroke) his 1st symptom was a blurry eye a month b4 he had it, so he's all worried about me as Dh working till 7pm! Promised my parents if it happens again I will go and get the practice nurse to check my Bp if the midwife not there, or get his wee machine! Didn't realise u can get it checked at a pharmacy! Good to know.

[Inglewood]

Sunset, was it u that asked to see my bump these days?? here it is.. bit blurry, but an idea... xx

[littlemisswilko]

lovely bump pic inglewood!!! :)

[Babymad]

Hi all!

Welcome Gecon, hope you get on track with ov/af very soon!

Chocolate, what a pain about your scan! Though i guess looking at the bubs from any angle (other than a 2d side profile) at 12 weeks would be inaccurate anyway really for gender guessing. Still keeping my fx its pink for you!

Indigo, thinking of you loads hun! You will be fine hun whatever the outcome and i have a good feeling for you anyway! Remember how much you love those 2 little boys and you will feel the same about this one regardless :) Will wear some pink and keep my fx for you!

Babymad, trying not to read anything into triple hcg levels as there are a million stories of women with high levels and both genders. Its not as though my level is through the roof anyway, just better than i expected! Got a scan this sat, cant wait! I guess i will start to obsess about ramzi next! It never stops does it! how are you hun?

Hope your scan goes well. Is that an NHS or private scan? The obsessing never ends. I really got my hopes up for a girl as a few things pointed that way and I really hoped it was my turn especially after losing our little girl, it's so hard not to hope your dream will come true......I really hope you have a pink bean snuggled in there :)

I'm doing ok, had a couple of ok days last week and started to sort through baby things. I bought a new pram blanket in navy with white stars on from John Lewis, I really like it but obviously not as much as the pink one that they had! Some days it's like finding out all over again I am very emotional and feel dreadful but trying to make the most of the ok days. I need to buy a new pushchair so hoping to get a red one. I like the Maxi Cosi Elea. I sob my heart out when I watch things like OBEM and see the women giving birth to girls...to know I will never hear them words still hurts so so much. And it also hurts to know I will never experience my daughter giving birth....that really upsets me as it just isn't the same when your son had children.

How's the house going? Have they accepted your offer??

[Babymad]

Hi girls....

Indigo ~ thinking god you xx look forward to hearing your news x
Petal ~ pleased your little man is doing better, nightmare that you are told diff things!
Inglewood ~ I would call your MW and check it out. Lovely bump pic :)
Maybe ~ how exciting!....not long now :)

[HopeandDreamG]

Indigo~ Came to see if there was news yet!!

Deaks~ liking the tickers, yay!

Ingelwood~ what a beautiful bump...I wanna be you right now LOL :)

[maybebabythree]

Babymad sorry your still feeling bad. I have been cleaning and getting ready for d day. I keep on thinking that I would be to old to see any dd give birth so that helps me. I would be at least 60-70! Just trying to focus on my boys and giving them more so I get more back. It's hard still but getting so much better. My friend gave me lots of girlie things but I just priced them up to sell for the nct without any upset at all.

I have a red pram - lush! I love red! Dave has many a red outfit too! It doesn't suit my boys as they are blonde but though! It suits me ;-)

[Inglewood]

Did anyone get the feeling in OBEM that the dad was gutted to have a girl? The one who went in for section and was sent home, only to be sectioned anyway! Even my Dh said he seemed really annoyed and was kinna rude on the phone telling someone her name was Faith and tough if they didn't like it! After her losing a baby and being told they never would be able to have kids, you would think he would be delighted either gender. His disappointment was so obvious that my Dh even said, you think he's hide it a bit better lor the camera's! Maybe I look into these things more than I should....lol

[Babymad]

Babymad sorry your still feeling bad. I have been cleaning and getting ready for d day. I keep on thinking that I would be to old to see any dd give birth so that helps me. I would be at least 60-70! Just trying to focus on my boys and giving them more so I get more back. It's hard still but getting so much better. My friend gave me lots of girlie things but I just priced them up to sell for the nct without any upset at all.

I have a red pram - lush! I love red! Dave has many a red outfit too! It doesn't suit my boys as they are blonde but though! It suits me ;-)

I love red too :) I always remember how Lucky how I am to have three healthily boys, I never take that for granted and I love them to the moon and back and much much more...they are my world and bring me so much happiness. They defo keep me going on the bad days. I think that's why I don't really talk to friends abut how I feel because I think they will just make the assumption that I don't love my children as I should do and that I just keep having children to get a girl and I couldn't bare people to think that as its so not true. the longing is hard to understand if you've never been there.

Can't wait for your little man to arrive :)

[Babymad]

Did anyone get the feeling in OBEM that the dad was gutted to have a girl? The one who went in for section and was sent home, only to be sectioned anyway! Even my Dh said he seemed really annoyed and was kinna rude on the phone telling someone her name was Faith and tough if they didn't like it! After her losing a baby and being told they never would be able to have kids, you would think he would be delighted either gender. His disappointment was so obvious that my Dh even said, you think he's hide it a bit better lor the camera's! Maybe I look into these things more than I should....lol

I think it just proved Inglewood that gender desire is very real and no matter what you've been through it doesn't go away. He genuinely thought it was a boy when they pulled her out and I think he was just shocked when the MW said she was a girl. Dads too have a longing for a particular gender, it's just not as common, but it's still real and I felt for him to be honest as I can remember how I felt when they told me DS3 was boy at the birth. I know they were filming but for him it was a very real and emotional moment. I'm sure if they had filmed him a week later at home with his DD he would be very different and very the moon.

[Sunset]

Inglewood ~ I dont know why but for some reason i cant see your picture :(

Indigoviolet ~ thinking of you! x

[charlieispy]

HELP anyone online??? do i book a gender scan tomorrow?? feel guilty not telling dh??

[Babymad]

If that's the only way its gonna work go for it- sometimes things cant always be as we'd like. will you be going on your own?
Can hubby take a bit of time off wrk and join you?

[Sunset]

HELP anyone online??? do i book a gender scan tomorrow?? feel guilty not telling dh??

*waves* If I was you I would do it just so I could stop the obsessing!! but it's your decision, only book a scan if it's truly what you want hun and you feel you need time alone to process the outcome regardless of gender.

[Inglewood]

I think it just proved Inglewood that gender desire is very real and no matter what you've been through it doesn't go away. He genuinely thought it was a boy when they pulled her out and I think he was just shocked when the MW said she was a girl. Dads too have a longing for a particular gender, it's just not as common, but it's still real and I felt for him to be honest as I can remember how I felt when they told me DS3 was boy at the birth. I know they were filming but for him it was a very real and emotional moment. I'm sure if they had filmed him a week later at home with his DD he would be very different and very the moon.

I totally agree and did really feel for him, thinking it was a boy then being told girl. I too remember being told ds2 was a boy and how I felt, I will have to live with the memories of how I felt about not having a girl, especially those 1st days, weeks, finding it difficult to intially bond. But I still think he'll look back on that and feel bad how he put himself across, but as u say even in front of the cameras it was very real for him. I know my dh had a preference for a boy 1st time round and he got his wish, even with ds2 he said he was hoping he was a boy. He's never truly got my whole gender disappointment and years of tears, but I just thought last night it was sad to see that in that man. Your right, Men too have GD and perhaps I'm just looking at it from a woman's perspective, really from his his wife's after being told they couldn't have kids, so I'm sure ur right and once he got her home he was delighted and smitten. x

[Inglewood]

Sunset, sorry, not sure why u can't see it? x

Hope indigo got on ok?? been thinkning of her all day.

Charlie, you'll know what's best to do! Just do what feels 'right' If that's to wait, then wait, or go and book if u are going to burst with suspense!! Can't Dh go one day next week? even later at night, the clinic I went to have appt's till 9pm. x

[indigoviolet]

So it looks like we are expecting another little boy here. she wasn't 100% sure and it wasn't very clear at all, baby in all the wrong positions but we were both leaning boy. Thanks for all the good wishes ladies will catch up again later

[maybebabythree]

Indigo - really hope it went well and ds2 behaved

I don't watch obem as squeamish but I record them all. However you look at it gd just sucks. You can't explain how it feels and it's hard to justify and makes you feel guilty too. Take my mum. Three dead babies and two healthy kids but she and dad could not hide there disappointment with me and my sister. They were bloody lucky we didnt die too. A part of me really hurts over the comments we had as children, but a part of me gets it too. Having two sons and watching them die isn't something you can get over. Also I tried two years to get pg this time. It was so heartbreaking but still I cried when I found out it was another boy. Gd is just a evil thing. Your right babymad it's not about our boys at all. It's about the missing girl. I hate feeling like that so I push it out. Not easy I admit. I just can't stand the guilt.

[maybebabythree]

Aagghh indigo! How frustrating for you? Not seeing bits must mean more likely a girl though? Are you waiting for twenty weeks now? Any good pictures?

[Inglewood]

Maybe, GD has been the worse thing in my life and with it the guilt, anger, all the emotions we have all felt. I can't even begin to truly believe I'm having girls until they are here and safe and well. Things are still so uncertain in my mind. I feel for ur parents, that must of been just awaful, but also feel for you and your sister growing up feeling the way u did, I just can't imagine. I was told many years ago I might have trouble having kids, had tons of tests and thankfully I have been very fortunate and had my 2 beautiful boys and 2 more babies on the way.

I just felt prob more for his wife while watching the show (after having a stillborn), just hoping she didn't see his GD initially as once it had sunk in that his baby was here and well, nothing else would matter. But can totally appreciate his feelings. It was hard to watch the reality of GD on TV and from also from a man's perspective,prob as I knew how he felt for those first moments and it made me look back and feel very guilty about my own GD lying on that operating table having ds2.

[Inglewood]

Indigo, you never know!! Not without a clear view?? Was it a private scan? Aren't they meant to ask u back if you don't get a good view?

[Sunset]

Indigo ~ sorry you didnt hear pink but you never know, if baby was in the wrong position and you didnt get a clear view it could easily go both ways! are you gonna have the gender confirmed at your 20 week scan?

[Sunset]

I can't even begin to truly believe I'm having girls until they are here and safe and well. Things are still so uncertain in my mind.

this is exactly how i felt when i was pregnant with dd.. i never quite believed it.

[charlieispy]

Oh indigo - i hope you are ok x i also hope that like others have said sometimes girls are harder to call! Much love hun

AFM i know itsa mememme at the mo i booked the scan! 13.10 tomorrow x havnt told DH yet i think i will i think i will get the lady to write it down so we can open it together or he will be peeved. Our one does seem to do late night and not many mondays or sundays DH best days! Rebooked 4d for easter hols too.....god how much money :S although not paying for the gender one as a gift and its my birthday in april so will say to DH just to pay for that!

[Kell]

Indigo I'm sorry you don't know anymore, I thought it was private? Are you going back like inglewood said? I hope the tech was wrong in swaying towards boy, it seems a bit weird not to be sure at this stage. And I was under the impression boys bits were pretty obvious?

[Lavenderlime]

Hi Gecon, I didn't get Af until I stopped breastfeeding ds1 at 13m got af straight after and fell pregnant month after that. with ds I fed for a bit longer and my af were really all over the place for months and would go for months without them.
I use the ebay cheep pregnancy tests too along side the more expensive brands.


Indigo sorry to hear the scan wasn't 100% can't you go back and get them to confirm as it was a private scan?

Charlie eeeeek you'll know tomorrow!

Haven't been on much doing house stuff still doing the boys rooms and painting in evenings.

[Inglewood]

Charlie, bet your so excited! Will u tell dh u are going? and u will ask for it to be written down? The 4d in April is a fab b'day prez idea and will u take the boys? I wrote on the paper BOYS and GIRLS with tick boxes incase she was funny about putting it in her handwriting. She couldn't say tho, but it was a 2d NHS scan. If urs is a gender scan it will be 3/4d? x

[Inglewood]

I still can't believe they are girls either, so wish i could, but too scared to believe.

[HopeandDreamG]

Indigo- how frustrating to not know 100% Ugggghhh....

[Babymad]

Indigo ~ Hugs hun, after all that preparing and no answer...how frustrating! I agree with the others though, surely if she thought it was a boy she could see the willy etc?? Seems strange to me that she couldn't confirm either way. I hope it was just a girl being stubborn and not letting you see :) Are you going back?? x

Inglewood & Maybe ~ I agree GD is bloody awful and effects us all in different ways. My friend popped round today (I don't see her very often as both her kids are at school now) and she is the only friend who knows fully my desire for a girl as she too felt the same and experienced GD with her DS. She actually read Hazel's book (which was the thing to do all those years ago!) and did the 4 day C/O and it worked for her and her daughter is now 7! She's knows of my journey over the years to get my DD even though we don't talk in detail now as we don't se each as much as we'd like but back then thats all we spoke about!! - made me realise how long I have been doing all this for!!!!
I wish it was easier for us all I truly do!

Charlie ~ Oh how exciting! I will be wearing pink :) I am sure your DH will understand. My DH went mad when he found out but I thinks that because of how he found out as well - reading it in a FB message!...not the best!! Writing it down sounds like a good plan - just don't look at the screen ;)

Saw the MW and GP yest and luckily got an inhaler for my breathing so hoping that helps.

Off to the cinema tonight so looking forward to lots Popcorn - can't stop eating at the mo!! :)

[Babymad]

I still can't believe they are girls either, so wish i could, but too scared to believe.

I would feel the same, just think how wonderful that feeling will be when they arrive :) xx

[Babymad]

Lavender and Hope ~ How are your attempts going??

[Inglewood]

Babymad, what are u going to see? Boys desp to see the Muppets, was supposed to go for my birthday....best laid plans and all that, but hoping to take them on sunday (payday tom). Enjoy! x

Hope the inhaler helps. x

[maybebabythree]

Inglewood its too girls! Chillax!

I have one friend in rl who knows I wanted a girl. She wanted a boy and both of us didn't get what we wanted! She lost her first child and was convinced it was a boybut it was before 12 weeks

[chocolate]

So it looks like we are expecting another little boy here. she wasn't 100% sure and it wasn't very clear at all, baby in all the wrong positions but we were both leaning boy. Thanks for all the good wishes ladies will catch up again later

I would ask to go back again for free, my scan place offers 1 more scan if they arent sure.

Im sure a willy is easier to spot than girl bits so dont loose hope but I know exactly what you mean, I was all geared up yesterday to come home with at least a good nub shot but didnt come back with anything apart from DS's leftover smell of him being sick in the car lol.

[Babymad]

Friend cancelled..typical! Oh well with have to watch Corrie instead :)

Chocolate ~ did you post your pictures, any comments ?

[Babymad]

Random question I know but ask anyway.....
Has anyone ever considered adoption/ long term fostering?

[deaks66]

Just a quicky as havent caught up properly yet...

Indigo... im with maybe, surely more girly if no obvious boy bits seen?!

Charlie, so glad you booked scan and brill to get it for tomorrow! Cant wait to hear your news, if you decide to open the envelope that is!

Been feeling pretty queasy today, but not enough to bother me too much! Wandering how bad its gonna get as only 6 weeks tomorrow!

Tried out letchworth swimming pool as someone i know said it was good for toddlers....boys loved it! so much freedom with lots of shallow padling areas :)

[deaks66]

Hope your scan goes well. Is that an NHS or private scan? The obsessing never ends. I really got my hopes up for a girl as a few things pointed that way and I really hoped it was my turn especially after losing our little girl, it's so hard not to hope your dream will come true......I really hope you have a pink bean snuggled in there :)

I'm doing ok, had a couple of ok days last week and started to sort through baby things. I bought a new pram blanket in navy with white stars on from John Lewis, I really like it but obviously not as much as the pink one that they had! Some days it's like finding out all over again I am very emotional and feel dreadful but trying to make the most of the ok days. I need to buy a new pushchair so hoping to get a red one. I like the Maxi Cosi Elea. I sob my heart out when I watch things like OBEM and see the women giving birth to girls...to know I will never hear them words still hurts so so much. And it also hurts to know I will never experience my daughter giving birth....that really upsets me as it just isn't the same when your son had children.

How's the house going? Have they accepted your offer??

Hi hun, so glad you are having some good days and have even managed to do a bit of shoping for bubs! I love the sound of the blanket and i bet it is every bit as gorgeous as the pink one...never been a massive fan of pink! And i bet a lovely red pram will help too!

Im starting to get a few signs that point towards girl and im desperately trying not to read anything into them! Had my head totally around a boy last week (almost to the point where i forgot that i actually dont know yet!) and i would really rather stay feeling that way but its soooooo hard!

We havent made an offer on the house yet because until we know what someone is going to pay for ours, its hard to know how much we can offer bearing in mind we need a fairly big renovation budget on top. People are being so lovely about our house though its making me feel a bit possessive, like i dont want to sell it! need to keep visiting the farmhouse to remind myself how much i love that!

[Lavenderlime]

Babymad, Attemps going well RE TTC but not swaying though I'll be dtd every day from cd10-17. So frequent but not doing timing or anything just want to be pregnant really now. I still believe in swaying but not as much as I did as our thread is very 50/50 really as it would be with-out swaying. So still taking sups eating the diet but slightly more lax like i'll eat rich tea biscuits or a bit of choc if I fancy it but keeping away from obvious no, no's, potatoes, banana's, salt fruit and veg, meat (don't eat it anyway). Still eating a low calorie diet. but trying not to loose anymore weight as I want to ovulate this cycle kinda important when ttc!! lol

I have looked into adoption alot I was never going to have a third but still longed for a girl. Especially as we are a mixed raced family and they like to place mixed raced kids with mixed raced families where possible. I'd obviously like to adopt a girl (toddler or baby). DP isn't keen at all, he's not sure how he'd feel about having a child that wasn't his flesh and blood. DP's mum is also abit funny about adoption because she and her sister are adopted (as babies). I really would consider it again if I were to have a third boy. But not fostering as i'd get far too attached and want to keep them all, plus find the back stories too distressing.
Is this something you have been thinking about?

[zanacal]

{hugs} Indigo x

[deaks66]

Random question I know but ask anyway.....
Has anyone ever considered adoption/ long term fostering?

I have considered it but like lavenders dp, my dh isnt keen at all as he doesnt think he will feel the same as he does towards his flesh and blood. I think he'd be proved wrong though but i dont think he would give himself the chance to find out! What does your dh think?

[deaks66]

Lavender, GL with your attempts, your plan sounds great to me! X

[chocolate]

No I didnt post a pic as it is just a 3d front on, Im so convinced this is a boy, all the good nub guessers have said boy, they cant all be wrong. Getting ready to announce the pregnancy to everyone now, its horrible but Ive been putting it off as I dont want there pity and comments, but am dealing with it ok for now, still concerntrating on going high tech which is probably why Im coping ok.

Fostering etc. - I couldnt do, I know a foster carer and it isnt how I thought it would be, she has to be quite strict on the foster children as the way they were treated is reflected one way or another in their behaviour. And impacts far too much on her own children too.

Adopting - would love to think I could but realistically I feel guilty sometimes of loosing my patience with my children etc. or just having bad days with housework so would feel like Im not good enough to adopt even though I know realistically there are probably many children who would love to be part of our family, does make me sad thinking that way, but my OH struggles now with our boys so no way would he be able to go through adopting and come out the other side not grey!

[Kell]

Deaks have you been to the swimming pool at Hemel? It's much better than letchworth! There is a large paddling area, it also has a water fountain but that the toddlers can walk under if they are comfortable to do so, also has a lazy river and lots of slides, most of the slides are no good for young kids but there is one I take Charlie on and he loves it!
I haven't been swimming in so long I really should go but I just look fat at the moment :( really not use to that definatly not in pregnancy!

My dp is the same as all yours about adoption, I have a family friend who fostered youngster and babies in Scotland, it was so sad some of the places they came from, and in most cases you still have to allow access to the parents who have neglected them to give the opportunity to build relationships and maybe go back home. She ended up with two boys who were with her for a long time, they are now in her perminant custody as she just could not see them in the fostering system for ever and she just fell in love with them! I think I'd be the same if I did it.

[indigoviolet]

thanks girls, can't go back for free as it was a special promotion they were doing today as it was their 2 year anniversary. I could go back and pay but I didn't feel much confidence in the scan lady, she seemed a bit dopey!
I know what you mean about boy being obvious but I *think* I know what I saw so don't have much hope. Dh says it is def a boy. So annoying not to know absolutely for sure as that tiny bit of hope is so hard....

charlie- so so much luck for tomorrow!!

[Babymad]

Lavender ~ sounds like a great sway, GL! X
Chocolate ~ I started looking into hi- tech when DS3 was a baby which helped me get through those sad days. I think that's why it's so much harder this time because there is no back up plan!

I have mentioned adoption in the past to my DH, only on a joking level really but we haven't spoken about it properly. I would definitely consider it but it does bother me that people would know why we had adopted...because we (I really as DH happy with just boys) wanted a girl....not sure I could cope with the comments either to my face or behind my back....it goes back to people thinking I don't love my boys and just wanted a girl. Which realistically is what people are going to think with us having 4 boys and then adopting a girl.
Can you actually apply for adoption on gender grounds? What they be happy to hear that you only want a particular gender? How do begin the process?
Im 36 now so I wouldn't want to start the process too late as feel old and knackersd already :)

[Babymad]

thanks girls, can't go back for free as it was a special promotion they were doing today as it was their 2 year anniversary. I could go back and pay but I didn't feel much confidence in the scan lady, she seemed a bit dopey!
I know what you mean about boy being obvious but I *think* I know what I saw so don't have much hope. Dh says it is def a boy. So annoying not to know absolutely for sure as that tiny bit of hope is so hard....

charlie- so so much luck for tomorrow!!

Sounds like the sonographer wasn't really up to the job to be honest! I'm very surprised she couldn't confirm the gender! BUT I do think hat is a good girly sign...did the lady actually say she thought boy??

[maybebabythree]

Lavender did youday before you or dp is Asian? I can't remember? Much easier to find Afro-caribian mixed kiddies. I have thought a lot about fostering but unless it's a baby taken at birth from a teenage mum for adoption or from a drug user I think they are emotionally scared kids. I couldn't take on a child older than three for the sake of my kids just because of the new kids proble behaviour issues. I'm just not that strong. Also I worry I would bond with them and then lose them. Adoption seems such a long process which is so so sad. I had a encounter with a woman with mental health issues who had her dd taken at birth. So so sad and I just couldn't deal with visits etc or her or her family tracking me down. I love the idea but I'm just to weak for the fight.

[chocolate]

thanks girls, can't go back for free as it was a special promotion they were doing today as it was their 2 year anniversary. I could go back and pay but I didn't feel much confidence in the scan lady, she seemed a bit dopey!
I know what you mean about boy being obvious but I *think* I know what I saw so don't have much hope. Dh says it is def a boy. So annoying not to know absolutely for sure as that tiny bit of hope is so hard....

charlie- so so much luck for tomorrow!!



Did you go to Yately?! That's where I went yesterday and had the same lady who seemed dopey!! She was looking between the legs and saying so you want to know gender, I said Im sure its too early but yes please, then at the end she said come back for another free one as its a gender scan (16 weeks plus) and I was like no Im almost 13 weeks, early pregnancy scan! Then she said no wonder I couldnt see. I said to her I wanted a nub shot,angle of the dangle .......... I think I will stick with Future Babies in Reading next time, double the price but so much more clued up!

[threelittlemenandcounting]

thanks girls, can't go back for free as it was a special promotion they were doing today as it was their 2 year anniversary. I could go back and pay but I didn't feel much confidence in the scan lady, she seemed a bit dopey!
I know what you mean about boy being obvious but I *think* I know what I saw so don't have much hope. Dh says it is def a boy. So annoying not to know absolutely for sure as that tiny bit of hope is so hard....

charlie- so so much luck for tomorrow!!

Arrrgghh I cant keep up anymore girls.

Indigo Sorry you heard boy but I agree with the other girls that if it was an unsure answer then 4 weeks is a long time and baby will be much more developed and should give you a clearer answer at your 20wk scan, I know gender can be told at 16wks but I'd still be scared it was too early, hope your doing ok hun sending you lots of hugs xxxx

[maybebabythree]

Babymad - I have yet to talk to dh about high tech but that's my sanity break when I feel sad about never having a dd. I half hope he says no way or my pre tests would be to bad to attempt. I 100% honestly hand on heart if some one said to me you have a choice, gauranteed a healthy dd or I take that longing away from
You totally forever with a pill, I would take that pill. Does that sound mad? I just hate that nighling feeling and don't want that for the rest of my life. Ugh!

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Hi girls

How are we all ?

Maybe baby 37 nearly 38 wks WOW !!

Babymad how is the inhaler working for you, have you been unwell ? DH was diagnosed with pluerisy on monday he has suffered terribly with his chest the past month and had to use one of the boys inhalers!!

Inglewood how are those little ladies doing is bump growing nicely ?

Deaks sickness is reassuring but yuk all at the same time !!

Lavenderlime good luck with the attempt this month!

Well busy weekend ahead its DS2 7th birthday on saturday and I have a cake to make, he has chosen it and that will be tomorrows task not gonna be easy might post a pic after if it looks ok ! It was Ds3 birthday couple weeks ago and spent ages making a cake for him plus will prob make one for MIL who shares a birthday with DS2!!

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Charlie good luck for tomorrow x

[deaks66]

Deaks have you been to the swimming pool at Hemel? It's much better than letchworth! There is a large paddling area, it also has a water fountain but that the toddlers can walk under if they are comfortable to do so, also has a lazy river and lots of slides, most of the slides are no good for young kids but there is one I take Charlie on and he loves it!


No i havent, but i might try it! mind you the reason i went to letchworth is cos one of ds1's friends has lessons there while his mum and little bro paddle about. i was thinking i could put ds1 into the lesson and have more time to play about with ds2 and my friend with her little ds2. Still the idea of more slides and fountains sounds fun, might go as a family at the weekend! thanks hun!

[deaks66]

No I didnt post a pic as it is just a 3d front on, Im so convinced this is a boy, all the good nub guessers have said boy, they cant all be wrong.

Have you got your pic on IG then? i havent seen it on there!

[deaks66]

I have mentioned adoption in the past to my DH, only on a joking level really but we haven't spoken about it properly. I would definitely consider it but it does bother me that people would know why we had adopted...because we (I really as DH happy with just boys) wanted a girl....not sure I could cope with the comments either to my face or behind my back....it goes back to people thinking I don't love my boys and just wanted a girl. Which realistically is what people are going to think with us having 4 boys and then adopting a girl.


This is a really tricky one hun and i would feel exactly the same! But you cant not do something just because of other peoples silly comments/judgements. YOU know how much you love your boys and thats all that matters. Plus people are too wrapped up in their own lives to be thinking about it for too long!

[maybebabythree]

This is a really tricky one hun and i would feel exactly the same! But you cant not do something just because of other peoples silly comments/judgements. YOU know how much you love your boys and thats all that matters. Plus people are too wrapped up in their own lives to be thinking about it for too long!

Seconds this! Who cares what people think? There will lots of people who wehave had our thirds for a dd. There are people who don't get why anyone would have more than two kids. There are people I know who don't understand why people have kids at all! Why people aren't happy with a flash car and a big house and no stretch marks! Tis your life to do as you please, there's nothing wrong with wanting another child to love however you think of it.

Tlm - lovely to hear from you x

[Lavenderlime]

Maybebaby I'm mixed African-Caribbean-English and Dp is English. It's true there are a lot of Afro-caribbean kids to be adopted.

babymad I think if I remember correctly there needs to be a two year age gap between the adopted child and the youngest biological child. but the process normally takes 9 month to year ish I think so you could start the process when ds4 is one. Yes you can say you can go into the process only wanting to adopt a child of specific gender, age, race, not with any disabilities, illnesses etc.

If that was an avenue you went down I would just get there before eveyone else and put out there that yes you wanted to adopt a girl to complete your family. And how lucky you feel to have your boys, how it's led you to the place where you feel you can add a little girl who needs a home to your family. A fantastic one with lots of brothers to look out/after her! Just be honest yes I have 4 boys and want a girl so i'm adopting one, and that's that! You'd be doing a good thing people can't judge you for that. x

[charlieispy]

sorry still yet to catch up properly x

indigo - did you get any pics?

Babymad - we have talked about adoption and always kind of considered it but I doubt we will be able to now due to lack of space and finance. If we had more money and space then I think we would - dh always wanted to adopt a girl. I dont think you should be put off by what others would think or say F them hun the only views that matter are those that you care for and care for you x I would be honest from the start about wanting a girl - i would totally do it if we could. x x much love hun x x

chocolate - pics?

FX for all those attempting x sorry i have been slack recently and feel like i have come on here and been all about me! Will def try and catch up tomorrow before scan if i have time x havnt told DH yet......he isnt in a good mood HATING work and his mum has just found out her partner has cancer :( very sad we dont know him so well but he is obviously upset as his mum is distraught x

sleep well ladies x x

[pinga]

Hi all

Indigo - how frustrating not to know for sure!!!! Hope you're not going too mad... You only have to wait til your 20 week scan don't you???

Babymad - I have looked into adoption quite a lot. My oldest brother and sister are adopted. My mum was told she couldn't have children after losing numerous babies... so they adopted. Then 5 years after they brought my sister home, they had my brother and then me!! I would have to say there is no difference between us and how we feel about each other and how our parents felt about us. I would say that there are a few issues that hang over adopted children (ie why were they not wanted - my brother struggles with that a lot and feels quite a bit of anger towards his blood mother). Neither of them decided to contact their blood parents but my parents always supported them if they wanted to.

Adoption is something close to my heart. I have always wanted to adopt a child before I even had any myself. I volunteered in an orphanage in Bolivia a few years back and DH and I helped in the babies room. I would have taken them all home in a flash. When we arrived in the morning they would run up to us with arms open saying "mama" (everyone was called mama). They just wanted to held and loved.

I believe though that you are not able to request what gender you adopt. In the US you can, but I'm pretty sure in the UK you can't. Its a long long process and I would say it is harder when you already have kids.

I would love to consider HT... but I have to consider my health. I have since found out that the condition I have comes under one of the conditions they will allow PGD for in the UK! I should have used it as my boys will be at risk. Nobody ever talked to me about it. Sigh. Doctors!! Ah well...

Wow sorry this is a bit of a long one!

Inglewood - how are you doing? Any more blurry vision... when do you next see doc/MW?

Charlie - hope scan goes well... FX for you!!!!!

GD is horrid! I used to always look at mums and daughter (grown up daughters) and feel envious that they had a mother still. Now I look at them and feel envious that the mothers have a daughter too! Sort of feel like I'm missing out on the mother-daughter relationship in both directions! Thats when it feels lonely.

[Babymad]

Good luck Charlie! Will be thinking of you xx

Be back later to catch up properly x

[Kell]

Good luck today Charlie! :)

[Sunset]

Good luck Charlie! i'm off to put on my pink socks for you! :) :cheer: i'll be thinking of you today and praying you get your pink dream!! x

[chocolate]

Good Luck today Charlie, I really think this one is a girl for you!!

Deaks I put my pics on the Ultrasound board on this site but also on a gender as there is someone called Tanya who has an excellent history of correct guesses and she thinks 80% boy. I havent been able to get onto ingender for ages to post on there

[Lavenderlime]

GOOD LUCK CHARLIE!!!

[charlieispy]

thanks ladies POOPING my pants god i feel sick x i will try and update ASAP but leaving the gender in the envelope till DH gets home although he still doesnt know!! I am hoping i will be able to tell ;)

Pinga - oh i just wanted to say a huge massive hug x
Sort of feel like I'm missing out on the mother-daughter relationship in both directions! Thats when it feels lonely.
This made me so sad for you x much love from over the pond x

[charlieispy]

BTW i bet its a boy.....so scared right now but at least i will know and then maybe i can sleep!!

[charlieispy]

am going now............................FX i dont puke!

[Babymad]

Oh Charlie, Im really thinking pink!!! Hope it goes well xx

[HopeandDreamG]

:cheerteam: Good luck Charlie fingers crossed for you!!!!!

[deaks66]

GOOD LUCK CHARLIE!!!! THINKING OF YOU HUN! X

[deaks66]

i seem to have lost 2 tickers!

[Kell]

All the veg tickers have gone Deaks, probably means the site is under maintenance!
Hope everything's ok Charlie! :)

[Sunset]

thinking of you charlie, hope everything is ok!! xx

[chocolate]

Hope you get a sneaky peak of a vagina lol, so funny how we show off our babies privates, they'd be so embarrassed if they knew when older!

Good luck

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Good luck charlie will pop on later to find out xxx

[charlieispy]

boy x

[Inglewood]

Charlie, did u ask? or are u thinking u saw something??? xx HUGS xx

[chocolate]

Ahh, Charlie, not sure what to say but big hugs for you xx

[Sunset]

big big hugs charlie!!! just know we're all here for you!!! congratulations on your little boy! xx

[charlieispy]

saw then asked x will be on later got school runs etc - oh well no pink in my life ever, end of wondering and thinking about it all the time somehow got to tell DH

[charlieispy]

oh and i think swaying is balls lol

[chocolate]

saw then asked x will be on later got school runs etc - oh well no pink in my life ever, end of wondering and thinking about it all the time somehow got to tell DH

Charlie Im sorry you didnt hear girl, I was convinced you would. Did you OH know you were having the scan? If so then just say you just saw it and it was obvious so you had to ask.


Hope your feeling ok xx

[Inglewood]

Charlie, sorry you didn't hear Girl, but Congratulations on another wee man who will love and adore his mummy! x

[Lavenderlime]

Charlie, I was so thinking pink, I mean all that lime..... yep swaying is balls! Congratulations on your little boy.
Can you keep it to yourself until the 3D scan? Do you want to tell DH? From the way you describe him he sounds very understanding so sure he'll be fine with you going for the sexing scan by yourself and finding out the sex. big hugs. You make gorgeous boys by the way!

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Big hugs charlie xxxxx

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Big hugs charlie xxxxx

[Kell]

So sorry Charlie, congrats on your little man.
Hope you are ok, we are here when you want to vent.
Xx

[Babymad]

Loads of hugs Charlie xx how are you feeling?? Many congrats on your little man. Really surprised. Much love xxx

[indigoviolet]

Charlie- gutted for you. I really thought this was it for you, it is totally not fair....I know he'll be wonderful but it is NOT fair. Why couldn't one of the girlie swimmers have made it? what difference would it have made in the universe? (that's what I'm wondering for me. Felt pretty gutted today). GD is crap and it is not fair that so many of us have to go through it. Hope you feel better soon hon, thinking of you and we are here for eachother thank goodness. Loads of love :HH: (((hugs))

[indigoviolet]

Did you go to Yately?! That's where I went yesterday and had the same lady who seemed dopey!! She was looking between the legs and saying so you want to know gender, I said Im sure its too early but yes please, then at the end she said come back for another free one as its a gender scan (16 weeks plus) and I was like no Im almost 13 weeks, early pregnancy scan! Then she said no wonder I couldnt see. I said to her I wanted a nub shot,angle of the dangle .......... I think I will stick with Future Babies in Reading next time, double the price but so much more clued up! Yes it is the one you told me about, were you there yesterday? thursday? that would have been weird!! yes, she didn't seem to have much of a clue which is a shame as I had totally built myself up and it was a long drive.
I asked for a 'potty shot' and she didn't seem to know what I was talking about and said it wasn't possible to get a different angle.
When is your next scan?
I'm toying with the idea of a 'proper' sexing scan but don't really want to waste £100 to be confirmed boy, that'd be too depressing.

[chocolate]

I knew I recommended it to someone, wish I hadn't of now. Surely she must be trained, maybe not!! Maybe she wants us to pay to go back, don't think ill go there again and know what u mean about paying and being dissapointed, ill go at 26 weeks to bond and get an idea of what he looks like x

[deaks66]

Charlie, congrats on your wonderful little boy hun, im so sorry you didnt hear pink though, life is not fair!! Sending you lots of love and hugs X

[zanacal]

I'm so sorry you didn't hear pink charlie, {hugs} x

[maybepink3]

Just popped on to catch up on the news. Charlie, I'm so surprised, thought for sure that you were carrying pink. Hope you're ok and the news hasn't hit you too hard. He was clearly meant to be x

I've had some devastating news today. My friend who had a dd (2nd child) just before xmas has been told that she is terminal and will only live for a matter of weeks. Cannot even begin to imagine how she is feeling. The condition is genetic so she is also worried about her DS. Life can be so, so cruel sometimes and it just puts everything in to perspective and I'm thanking God for my 2 healthy boys and praying the one I'm carrying is well too x

[littlemisswilko]

charlie so sorry you didnt hear pink but congratualtions on your little boy! big hugs to you xxx

[chocolate]

Maybepink, that is awful news, really does put things into perspective doesnt it! Ive said to myself before that why worry about not having a daughter that would visit when elderly, when who knows, I may not even make it to that age you know?! Its my worst nightmare leaving my young boys in this world without me, the best best best thing about having a family of 3+ is I think they will be closer and look after each other more even if at the other side of the world. So I always have a small comfort that if I were to be in an accident etc. at least I hope they would all take comfort in each other. Such sad news


Charlie, about the 'no pink' I suddenly thought to myself a few weeks back that just because I dont have a daughter to buy pink for, doesnt mean I cant do girly things myself like get a facial, buy pretty notebooks, paint my bedroom pink lol, OH wouldnt have a say ha ha! I know its just a little thing but it did help me realise that I can still have pink in my life in little ways.

And our boys are going to raised to never let a week go by without visiting or calling me lol. I think all of our boys are going to grow up into really good men because we are aware of putting in that extra effort after experiencing gd regardless of if we ever do get a girl in the end or not.



Anyway, really hope your OH just understands, sure he will xx

[littlemisswilko]

mabey pink, i know life can be so cruel sometimes and we forget how lucky we are with our boys being so healthy and we are wishing for something which is so insignificant! i found out last year that dp's cousin had just found out her son had a rare genetic disease (muscular dystrophy) a group of inherited disorders that involve muscle weakness and loss of muscle tissue, which gets worse over time. they expect him to be in a wheel chair in the next 5 or so years and wont live after his teenage years. He's in the same class as ds1 and i always thought that there was something rather different with him than other children as he's badly behaved and carnt really walk properly etc. She only took him to the doctors as he had a rash so they did some tests to find out if he had an allergy and found out this devastating news.

we were quite worried as it is genetic and maby somehow our children could be affected but she's not my dp direct cousin, shes my dp's mams cousin so very far down the family line. just puts things into perspective for us as our problems dont seem like anything at all wiyh my ds1 being polydactyle. absolutely nothing compared to what she must be going through. Its her only child and i dont think she will be having any more as she isnt in a relationship with any one. just so sad.

thinking about things like this really make me relise what i do have and why i should be grateful about my healthy boys!

[deaks66]

oh maybepink such a sad story. Trouble is, gd is such a strong emotion that even when your head is saying how lucky you are to have healthy sons, nothing will stop your heart long for a daughter. I felt for a matter of days after my chemical and then again when i had awful backache during this pg that i would trade gender for a healthy baby in my arms any day, but those gd feelings creep in quickly again even when you know you should be 100% content with what you have.

My sis in law desperately wanted a dd when they started trying and is now pg with ds2. She keeps making comments on fb about how now she only wants lots of sons. I know it is a cover up and she feels the opposite deep down (not that she would admit it to anyone). She keeps stating that health is all that counts but gd is toxic! I wish there was a cure/pill for it!

[chocolate]

crikey lmw, that's also sad news!
Just reading about that awful news made me send out an announcment text about baby 3 being due as was putting it off, just said Next is making a killing out of me buying cute blue stuff :-)
News like this makes me really cherish my children more, I would still do HT, but makes me just more aware of how perfect my family is right now as it is and to be happy and not dwell on not having a girl. Maybe I need to read a paper daily to really appreciate my life as it is, who knows what is round the corner sadly.

I don't know how your friend must be coping right now maybepink, really has given me so much to think about. Poor poor family and friends :-(

[chocolate]

oh chocolate such a sad story. Trouble is, gd is such a strong emotion that even when your head is saying how lucky you are to have healthy sons, nothing will stop your heart long for a daughter. I felt for a matter of days after my chemical and then again when i had awful backache during this pg that i would trade gender for a healthy baby in my arms any day, but those gd feelings creep in quickly again even when you know you should be 100% content with what you have.

My sis in law desperately wanted a dd when they started trying and is now pg with ds2. She keeps making comments on fb about how now she only wants lots of sons. I know it is a cover up and she feels the opposite deep down (not that she would admit it to anyone). She keeps stating that health is all that counts but gd is toxic! I wish there was a cure/pill for it!

That's the horrible thing about only being human and gd, you know in your head to appreciate what you have but the thoughts do creep back in if you can't keep on top of them. Life really is just soo hard at times

[deaks66]

chocolate, that a lovely way to announce ds3!! i think if you add some humour in like that, people wont suspect any disappointment! Will steal that idea when its my turn! X

LMW, that really is so sad. I saw a documentary about a lady who had 3 sons with a similar condition and all were expected not to see out their teenage years. Broke my heart.

[Babymad]

Hi girls

How are we all ?

Maybe baby 37 nearly 38 wks WOW !!

Babymad how is the inhaler working for you, have you been unwell ? DH was diagnosed with pluerisy on monday he has suffered terribly with his chest the past month and had to use one of the boys inhalers!!

Inglewood how are those little ladies doing is bump growing nicely ?

Deaks sickness is reassuring but yuk all at the same time !!

Lavenderlime good luck with the attempt this month!

Well busy weekend ahead its DS2 7th birthday on saturday and I have a cake to make, he has chosen it and that will be tomorrows task not gonna be easy might post a pic after if it looks ok ! It was Ds3 birthday couple weeks ago and spent ages making a cake for him plus will prob make one for MIL who shares a birthday with DS2!!

Hi Hun, I suffer with Asthma when pregnant. I had a terrible night last night, couldn't breath at all and was up most of the night coughing. I have been back to the doctors today for a steriod inhaler. He wasn't overly concerned which was annoying as I feel dreadful and can't hold a conversation without getting very out of breath. I feel awful :(

My DH was in hosp a few years ago with Pluerisy, it's not nice at all. not being able to breath properly is just awful, hope he feels better soon x

[Babymad]

Hi all

Indigo - how frustrating not to know for sure!!!! Hope you're not going too mad... You only have to wait til your 20 week scan don't you???

Babymad - I have looked into adoption quite a lot. My oldest brother and sister are adopted. My mum was told she couldn't have children after losing numerous babies... so they adopted. Then 5 years after they brought my sister home, they had my brother and then me!! I would have to say there is no difference between us and how we feel about each other and how our parents felt about us. I would say that there are a few issues that hang over adopted children (ie why were they not wanted - my brother struggles with that a lot and feels quite a bit of anger towards his blood mother). Neither of them decided to contact their blood parents but my parents always supported them if they wanted to.

Adoption is something close to my heart. I have always wanted to adopt a child before I even had any myself. I volunteered in an orphanage in Bolivia a few years back and DH and I helped in the babies room. I would have taken them all home in a flash. When we arrived in the morning they would run up to us with arms open saying "mama" (everyone was called mama). They just wanted to held and loved.

I believe though that you are not able to request what gender you adopt. In the US you can, but I'm pretty sure in the UK you can't. Its a long long process and I would say it is harder when you already have kids.

I would love to consider HT... but I have to consider my health. I have since found out that the condition I have comes under one of the conditions they will allow PGD for in the UK! I should have used it as my boys will be at risk. Nobody ever talked to me about it. Sigh. Doctors!! Ah well...

Wow sorry this is a bit of a long one!

Inglewood - how are you doing? Any more blurry vision... when do you next see doc/MW?

Charlie - hope scan goes well... FX for you!!!!!

GD is horrid! I used to always look at mums and daughter (grown up daughters) and feel envious that they had a mother still. Now I look at them and feel envious that the mothers have a daughter too! Sort of feel like I'm missing out on the mother-daughter relationship in both directions! Thats when it feels lonely.

Hugs Hun xx I feel the same as I'm not close to my mum and I don't see her so I am missing out in both directions too....the loneliness is unbearable somedays. Sounds like you have a wonderful family and are very blessed xx
Wouldn't you be able to get PDG where you live?

[maybebabythree]

Charlie congratulations on your lil fella. Sorry a dd wasn't on the cards I really thought it would be for you :-(

Your right swaying is balls - or at least it seems to be bringing us ladies a lot of balls lol! (sorry that's so crude! I couldn't resist ) maybe we should all join the swaying blue board next time ;-)

Maybe that so so sad. I am a old bird at 37 and I had my downs measurements taken about 20 times and I was laying there thinking baby had downs and how could this happen to me? Still worry dave will be ok. Ds1 was diagnosed with a heart murmur at six weeks and had lots of tests. All said to dh was I couldn't bear for his tiny body to be cut open and if was asked I wouldn't have allowed the op. Horrible thing to feel that cold panic for your child.

[maybebabythree]

I saw the midwife today and asked why I have To go straight to delivery unit for induction. I was told that as it's not my first they will start off by breaking my waters!! Ekk! Not having that! That would be followed by the drip! She said I can insist on up two lots of prostin then insist on the epidural before they insert the drip. Not going to sleep Sunday night before that!

[Babymad]

Such sad stories :( really is heartbreaking x

I agree Deaks, GD is not something we can control, I wish with all my heart we could!!

I've had an awful day with my breathing, been back doctors and got a steriod inhaler but still really struggling, I just know I'm not going to sleep again!! I feel like getting the scissors and cutting the baby out so I can breath again.....it's drivining me mad!

Charlie ~ how you doing?? Have you told DH? Thinking of you xx

[Babymad]

I saw the midwife today and asked why I have To go straight to delivery unit for induction. I was told that as it's not my first they will start off by breaking my waters!! Ekk! Not having that! That would be followed by the drip! She said I can insist on up two lots of prostin then insist on the epidural before they insert the drip. Not going to sleep Sunday night before that!

I had the pessary on my second induction rather than the drip and it was a lot longer but I would have done anything to avoid the drip!!

[indigoviolet]

Night ladies, off to sleep, best place to be at the moment.

such sad stories and good to get a bit of perspective.

charlie- thinking of you hon

catch up with you all tomorrow, lots of love :HH:

[Sunset]

Ds1 was diagnosed with a heart murmur at six weeks and had lots of tests. All said to dh was I couldn't bear for his tiny body to be cut open and if was asked I wouldn't have allowed the op. Horrible thing to feel that cold panic for your child.

as my ds1 has heart disease i can definitely relate to this feeling.. we were in limbo for over a year before we got the news that nature is healing itself and ds1 wont need surgery to close up his hole in the heart.. i cant begin to explain how frightened i was for my son that first year of his life and the things i've seen when we've been on our many trips to the Freeman hospital in Newcastle. Last time we were there a couple walked past us with their son who couldnt have been more than 2 and he was in a hospital gown on his way to the theatre for heart surgery. now that broke my heart! imagine how scared his parents must have been :(

unfortunately i will never forget the day after ds1 was born and the baby doctor came to do the baby checks and he spent a good 10 minutes listening to ds1's chest with a very pussled look on his face and then asked me and dh to 'take a seat'.. and not to mention the next 3 days that followed.. ultrasounds, ecg's, x-rays, specialists.. at least this experience helped me push most of my gd away after ds2 was born because i was simply so over the moon to be like all the other mummies in the postnatal ward who got to enjoy their babies fully without having a doctor ask them to sit down while he delivers the news that there's something wrong with their babies heart.
wow..this turned into a novel! my apologies, but sometimes it's nice to vent :p

this is my very brave boy during one of his routine appointments :HH:
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[maybebabythree]

Babymad - sorry your breathing is still hard. Dave is still super high so my breathing is hard with asthma. Also gives me evil heartburn. I hope your bean drops down soon x

[maybebabythree]

Oh bless him sunset! Brave little thing. Lucky for us ds1 hole closed up in the end too. The murmur sounded worse than it actually was because he was tiny at birth and the blood flow through his heart was restricted. We waited an age for the scan on his valves but I guess in reality it was only a few months - felt like a lifetime. Glad yours is doing well now. So sad, you never think it could happen to you. That's the problem withhaving no scan after 20 weeks. As the hole closes up so late so it's a real shock.

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Hi Hun, I suffer with Asthma when pregnant. I had a terrible night last night, couldn't breath at all and was up most of the night coughing. I have been back to the doctors today for a steriod inhaler. He wasn't overly concerned which was annoying as I feel dreadful and can't hold a conversation without getting very out of breath. I feel awful :(

My DH was in hosp a few years ago with Pluerisy, it's not nice at all. not being able to breath properly is just awful, hope he feels better soon x

Oh hun you must feel awful and annoyed !! I have 3 out of four with asthma although techniquely dd has not yet been diagnosed as she is too young but has had oral steroids twice, been admitted once and frequently has to use a blue inhaler, I find it very frustrating as people assume I smoke around them and its my fault, i have never smoked

DH is much better now but he was unwell for 5 weeks and I begged him to go back to the doctors, glad he listened and went back !!

[deaks66]

Hi all,

Had my scan this morning and saw my lovely little bean with its flickering heart happily nestled into the right place :)

Hope you are all well. Charlie, have been thinking of you in particular, and hope you are ok. How did it go with dh?

[deaks66]

Such sad stories :( really is heartbreaking x

I agree Deaks, GD is not something we can control, I wish with all my heart we could!!

I've had an awful day with my breathing, been back doctors and got a steriod inhaler but still really struggling, I just know I'm not going to sleep again!! I feel like getting the scissors and cutting the baby out so I can breath again.....it's drivining me mad!

Charlie ~ how you doing?? Have you told DH? Thinking of you xx

Babymad, really feel for your, that feeling of not being able to breathe is just hideous! How are you today?

[indigoviolet]

thats wonderful wonderful news about your scan Deaks, how reasurring to see the heartbeat. Yay for a healthy bean!

how are you doing today Babymad, charlie?

love to all

[deaks66]

Thanks indigo! How are you feeling about things hun?

Right have uploaded my pics in ultrasound forum for ramzi guesses.... why do we do it to ourselves?!! does anyone have any idea what im supposed to look for?

[Sunset]

Oh bless him sunset! Brave little thing. Lucky for us ds1 hole closed up in the end too. The murmur sounded worse than it actually was because he was tiny at birth and the blood flow through his heart was restricted. We waited an age for the scan on his valves but I guess in reality it was only a few months - felt like a lifetime. Glad yours is doing well now. So sad, you never think it could happen to you. That's the problem withhaving no scan after 20 weeks. As the hole closes up so late so it's a real shock.

are you getting induced on sunday?? :)

ds1's heart disease was never picked up on during the 20 week scan simply because the only thing they check for is that 4 valves are present and that the hearts structure looks normal, but they never actually look at the heart in detail which is why i always have to have a specialist fetal heart scan when i'm pregnant. heart defects are actually the most common kind of birth defects with an occurrence of about 1:100 and unfortunately only about 50% of all heart defects are picked up on during routine u/s making it one of the defects most likely to go unnoticed :( scary stuff!

it's strange that you had to wait several months for a heart scan. my ds was first scanned at 2 days old and then went on to have monthly heart scans for the first year of his life.. now at 3,5 years old he only needs a routine check up (scan, ecg) every 3 years.

[Sunset]

Hi all,

Had my scan this morning and saw my lovely little bean with its flickering heart happily nestled into the right place :)


Liking this alot! :D i didnt know you were going for a scan, so happy it went well and you got to see the heartbeat :) very reassuring!

[deaks66]

Liking this alot! :D i didnt know you were going for a scan, so happy it went well and you got to see the heartbeat :) very reassuring!

It was so reassuring. I was so convinced there wouldnt be anything there, it kept me awake last night. Now i can relax for the next 6 weeks as these last 6 weeks have been a bit stressful with cramps, backache, blood tests etc. Now to just enjoy being pg!

The pic of your ds1 wired up in hosp always breaks my heart... so sad to see someone so young go through so much. What a little star!

[maybebabythree]

Congratulations on your scan deaks!

Sunset I get induced on the 5th - no braxton hicks at all now!

Basically my son was given the all clear in hospital at his birth. At 6 weeks dh dropped him (bad daddy!) so we took him to a&e where we told he had concussion. Then the peads said 'did you know your son has a heart murmur?' that's when we found out. We stayed in for obs and had a xray and ECG can't remember what else - was a horrid time as they was another baby on the childrens ward they were fighting to stabiles to get into air ambulance to London. Seems like weeks after that he had the valve scan and was signed off. Ds2 had a murmur at birth too but it went quiker - again due to his size at birth. Think dave will be a average size so hopefully no murmur. Also he is still growing. Not sure at what point in my pregnancy ds1 stopped growing - maybe 34 weeks or even before that?

[indigoviolet]

EEk, the 5th Maybe, so soon. Can't wait to meet your little man!

Deaks- thanks for asking, I am in complete denial if I am being honest! Because there is a very very slim chance this is still a girl I'm not believing boy until it is confirmed at 20 weeks. I should probably just start coming to terms with it now as I'm sure it is the same as with babymad and charlie who thought they saw boy bits and they were right....(boo :( )

[Lavenderlime]

Thinking of you Charlie.

Just popping in as super tired DP and I went to see the Lion King and it was soo good. Loved it. Had a great day but lots of time spent in the car, trains and tubes. Was lovely having a grown up day too.

Will catch up a bit tomo.

Night x

[pinga]

Charlie - hugs... Congratulations on your boy... hope you are doing ok...

Deaks - yay for seeing bubba on your scan. Its the most reassuring thing :D

babymad - the mother-daughter relationship is the thing I'm most sad about missing out on.

I agree swaying is rubbish!! Look at us... we were boy-heavy before we started and we are still boy heavy. When we had DS1 I said to DH we'll probably end up with 3 boys. Ha look at us now! Must be pyschic! I wonder how many children we would have to have before getting a girl... maybe 10 or 20 (they do say it is like flipping a coin)? :D

I am soooooooo tired today - couldn't sleep. It was 38 degrees yesterday and last night it didn't go below 26. blerrrrrr.... it was still 33 at 9.30pm. I don't like the hot weather!!!!! The boys slept terribly too which means highly irrational grumpy children :P Roll on autumn!

DH and I have been talking more about moving back to the UK. I grew up in Surrey but I've lived in Manchester, Wales and Kent. We're trying to pick somewhere new to move to. Surrey is way too pricey!!!! Want to stay south to be near family. Its very hard picking an area!!!!! :D We'll probably move at the start of 2013. Am quite excited to be going back to England again.

Right - I'm on pancake duty. After swimming lessons we often have pancakes as a treat...

[Kell]

Deaks aww so glad you saw lil bean! :)

Lavender the lion king is brilliant! I went with my sister and mum a couple of years back, when ds2 is old enough I'll take him as he is obsessed with it!
I like going to the theatre but oh won't go coz he's miserable! Lol a friend of mine was in the Andrew Lloyd webber find a Dorothy tv programme, she got to the final 4/5 and ended up with a main role in we will rock you! She's now in work shops for the spice girls show lmao! I haven't seen her in a while but I imagine she's probably baby spice.

I'm feeling very tired at the moment, keep needing to nap in the afternoons! Not good as I have tooio much college work to do!

Hope all you girls are doing ok, Im not sure of I ever actually expected swaying to really work, had I started I may have really believed in it, but I'm kinda on the fence with it all! I'm so sorry that it's the end of a dream for a few, I wish it were as simple as taking a pill to stop the aching. I feel bad and wish I could swap places with all of you for you to be happy.

I've finally spoke to my hairdresser about doing my hair! It's like I grow a new grey hair everyday now :( I am worried about my eyes but not as much as being grey lol, also found out I've put on about 10lbs which I'm not happy about! It's oh's 30th in December so I want the baby weight gone by then!

[Inglewood]

Hi all, Was my mum's b'day yest and my SIL visited. Tried to get on-line and couldn't :(

Wanted to wish Z a great scan! Your pic's are FAB!!! Did you get ur confirmation of GIRL??? :) See on Fb ur keeping them all guessing, good for u, kinna wish I had.

Sad to hear about the poorly babies, we don't always know till they are here and I admire all u mummies who have had poorly babies and those kiddies who still need hosp care. My ds1 had gromets in and adeniods out and I thought that was hard! You guys have had tougher moments than that. HUGS xx

Babymad, that sound awful!!!! Can't imagine. Are u normally ok when not pg? or have mild asthma genrally?

My babies are moving less, well still moving but I don't feel it as much. Was a bit worried yest, but keep reminding myself that they are bigger now, prob sleep more and it's hard to keep track of who moved, now they are bigger it's not as easy to say ahh that was twin 1/2 as they are now transverse and cephalic. Ds2 calls them 'cheeky' and 'chunky' as twin 1 (cheeky) used to kick ALL the time, twin 2 (chunky) is the bigger twin, by very little tho. Chunky will have a complex b4 it's even out!!

Have a good sunday xx

[Babymad]

Oh hun you must feel awful and annoyed !! I have 3 out of four with asthma although techniquely dd has not yet been diagnosed as she is too young but has had oral steroids twice, been admitted once and frequently has to use a blue inhaler, I find it very frustrating as people assume I smoke around them and its my fault, i have never smoked

DH is much better now but he was unwell for 5 weeks and I begged him to go back to the doctors, glad he listened and went back !!

Bless ya having 3 with it! Its no fun at all. Pleased your DH is on the mend, men do seem to take ages to go to the docs about anything!!

[Babymad]

Hi Girls.....

Deaks ~ So pleased your scan went well :) what have people guessed? Sorry Im no use with the ramzi theory!

Sunset ~ Your little man looks like he's taken it all in his stride on your pic and teddy seems to be keeping him calm :) My DS2 was born with a heart murmur. Really pleased your DS is doing well now :)

Kell ~ I can't wait to lose the baby weight already too!

Pinga ~ Great that you might be coming back to England, I have always wanted to move to Oz but never been able to convince my DH to get the ball rolling!

Inglewood ~ LOL at Chunky and Cheeky...so sweet :)

Charlie ~ Been worried about you x Hope you are ok xx

Indigo ~ Hugs hun, its over yet though hun x

The weather has been lovely here this week-end and I am so fed up that we haven't been able to enjoy it.
I've had an awful few days, I've got a flu bug so feel dreadful :( Thats why I must be coughing so much, got a fever too and my head feels like its going to explode...along with not being able to breath I felt like topping myself yest!!
I am so tired as I haven't slept at all for the last three nights as I spend all night coughing and unable to breath.
DH is in a lot of pain from his nose op and DS3 is at the walk in centre as he's complaining that his ear hurts......!!
Hoping we will all be healthier soon! Sorry for moaning...really feeling sorry for myself today :(
I don't normally suffer with Asthma Inglewood, it came on in my last pg and was rushed to hosp as I was having an attack and didn't realise! Very strange how it just comes on, hoping it eases soon.

Ok off for a lay down.....

Hi to anyone i missed xxx

[Inglewood]

Babymad, that really must be awful. Esp when ur not used to it normally. Hope it eases soon and the virus that's exacerbating it clears up. x

[Inglewood]

Maybe, must of missed that post, wow the 5th!!!! eek not long... xx

[Babymad]

Thanks Inglewood x

Forgot to say thanks for your comments/ thoughts on adoption. Not something I will pursue for awhile but may talk to DH after baby is born.

[deaks66]

Hi all,

Babymad, sorry you feel so rotten, no fun esp when pg :( One lady on IG has guessed girl. The scan does kinda look that way according to ramzi but i would never let myself believe it! Anyway hopefully some more people will guess. Its nice to keep the dream alive for a while even if it makes the disappointment worse!

Pinga, exciting about the prosect of moving back. Plus perhaps you could go pgd down the nhs route? eek!

Hi everyone else, hope all well!

Im fine, just covered in spots on my face which im guessing is progesterone related :(

[maybebabythree]

Pinga I'm in Surrey and the prices are insane! You can be as far London in Kent and houses there are a third of the price. Living here has turned me into a Snob so not sure I could move back to Kent now.

I feel really faint and dizzy all the time now. Been out all with my sister at a craft fair. She gave me my pram today - oh it's lovely!

Inglewood can you feel more movements if you touch your bump? When I don't feel kicks I can feel rolling when I touch my bump.

[zanacal]

I'm sorry you're so poorly Babymad, it sounds awful.

Thanks Inglewood - the scan was good but the boys were so bored and noisy and asking for drinks etc. etc., we should have gone by ourselves and shown them the DVD afterwards! We got another hamburger shot so we're still on for a girl :D I think some of the comments on FB are from when I didn't know the gender - I've labelled the latest scan photos 'our baby girl' so I'm not trying to keep it a secret!

[chocolate]

Babymad - sorry your feeling so rough, I had a week of a heavy cold and breathing was so painful, I came out of the drs in tears when they wouldnt give me anything so can imagine how you must be feeling, hope it eases quickly for you.

Deaks -can you access all the forums on IG? Everytime I try it just says 'page no longer exists' ... really annoying as I was going to post my ultrasound too.

Zanacal, glad your still growing a girl in there lol! I used to take my kids everywhere but recently Ive decided that no I will go shopping etc. in peace! OH will have to take them out if they misbehave at our 4d scan and will take lots of treats lol.

[deaks66]

Babymad - sorry your feeling so rough, I had a week of a heavy cold and breathing was so painful, I came out of the drs in tears when they wouldnt give me anything so can imagine how you must be feeling, hope it eases quickly for you.

Deaks -can you access all the forums on IG? Everytime I try it just says 'page no longer exists' ... really annoying as I was going to post my ultrasound too.

Zanacal, glad your still growing a girl in there lol! I used to take my kids everywhere but recently Ive decided that no I will go shopping etc. in peace! OH will have to take them out if they misbehave at our 4d scan and will take lots of treats lol.

Yes i can access forums by either going through 'my posts' to an old thread and then getting into forums from there. Or by searching ingender on google and accessing threads on there. Once im into the forums by either of those methods i can write a new post. Hope that helps!

[deaks66]

chocolate, if you still have probs, i could post for you and let you know what people say. But it doesnt look like there is much activity on there unfortunately!

[chocolate]

Thanks Deaks, have posted it now. I am 99.9% convinced this is a boy but still good to have others opinions lol.

I was brave today, went and bought my friends daughters birthday pressie today. A dressing up dress and headbands/jewellery etc. So pretty! Sad I will probably never get to buy that for my own girl but still I went looking for something as girly as possible and enjoyed it where as Ive never braved doing that before, normally got something like a book etc.
I feel like I can sort of let a little bit of my dissapointment of never getting to buy pink, show to my friends as long as I still say how I also see tons of cute boy stuff which is gorgeous but am gutted Ill never get to shop for pink

[Babymad]

Deaks ~ keep us posted on the guesses :)

Maybe ~ any sign that Dave is ready to make an appearance??

Zanacal ~ Great scan pics and fab to hear the hamburger hasn't changed :)

Chocolate ~ Will you be finding out at your 20 wk scan? Hugs, I feel everywhere I go/ everything I do I see baby girls :( It's a constant reminder!

Thanks for all the well wishes, praying for some sleep tonight as I am at work tomorrow!

[maybebabythree]

I really don't feel like did before I went into labour with ds2. Had some intense pain last night that seemed like braxton hicks but didn't last to long but very painful. Worrying I also had pains in my left arm. Worried about bp effects on the old ticker. Pooping myself about labour now. I am convinced it's really going to hurt. Dh is being lovely so need to try not to scare the poop out of him too. Wasn't this worried with my second. I think it's knowing the date. Said to my sister today that breaking your leg must hurt more, but breaking your leg is a surprise out of the blue. You don't see it coming. Stupid really as this has been coming for nine months :-)

[Kell]

Maybe I think it's only natural hun, try not to worry yourself too much Unfortunatly short of a miracle we all kinda know how this plays out lol.
Wishing you a smooth, quick pain free labour! Would you consider an epidural?

[maybebabythree]

Kell I have insisted on a epidural due to my induction and blood pressure. Only had gas and air with the boys but been there done that - no more hippy birthing for me!

[Kell]

Lol! Hey you take all you can! Fingers crossed it should be a relatively relaxed affair this time round then.

[littlemisswilko]

charlie - hope your doing okay.. remember we are all here for you xxx

[Lavenderlime]

Morning all,

Babymad hope you got some sleep start to feel a bit better soon. x
Maybebaby I'm with you on births I did the hippy thing first time whilst being induced on a drip. Not fun.
Second time opted for pethadine lovely spaced out two hour labour and 10 minutes of pushing. lovely.
Def going to opt for drugs next time around!

Just wanted to share a link Kids T-shirts | Animal Tee Shirts For Men, Ladies, Kids & Babies (http://www.pawprintslondon.com/products.asp?category=1) I got the boys a hoody and top from covent garden market and they they were really lovely.

Ds2 got a green hoody with the fox on the front.
and ds1 a blue T-shirt with an owl on the front.
They're really lovely in person nice thick cotton I got them both the next size up.
I also love the lamb one and the pug is pretty cool. Just thought i'd share as nice finding something a bit different for the boys!

[indigoviolet]

Chocolate ~ Will you be finding out at your 20 wk scan? Hugs, I feel everywhere I go/ everything I do I see baby girls :( It's a constant reminder!


I know,it is so hard, they are absolutely everywhere!! so many things to bring you down, how to stay cheerful?

hope work today ok babymad.

Maybe- I think you will be fine this time, epidurals are great :)

Worried about you charlie hon :HH:

[deaks66]

Hi ladies,

Maybe, im so with you on the drugs side of things. I had inducement and epidural with ds1 and pethidine with ds2. Neither was a great experience due to my twisted pelvis, but out of choice i think i would go epidural next time. I think going no drugs is all very well if you have had easy previous births but if you have had rubbish experiences, going the hippy route will be scary and probably make you tense up making it even worse.

Lavender, im glad pethedine was great for you. I hated it because i kept falling asleep between contractions which meant it felt like i didnt get any time to gather my thoughts and prepare myself for the next wave. It just felt like one enormous contraction that never stopped! I take it, it wasnt like this for you?

Charlie, are you ok hun? im worried that we havent heard from you. Im thinking of you so much and also you babymad, maybe pink, indigo and chocolate as i know you three are suffering too. Im so clinging onto hope of a girl at the moment. Wish i was still in the zone of thinking it is boy and being fine with it...that was a healthier place to be!

[deaks66]

Just wanted to share a link Kids T-shirts | Animal Tee Shirts For Men, Ladies, Kids & Babies (http://www.pawprintslondon.com/products.asp?category=1) I got the boys a hoody and top from covent garden market and they they were really lovely.

Ds2 got a green hoody with the fox on the front.
and ds1 a blue T-shirt with an owl on the front.
They're really lovely in person nice thick cotton I got them both the next size up.
I also love the lamb one and the pug is pretty cool. Just thought i'd share as nice finding something a bit different for the boys!

Love this link.... the fox design is def my fav!

[deaks66]

Thanks Deaks, have posted it now. I am 99.9% convinced this is a boy but still good to have others opinions lol.

I was brave today, went and bought my friends daughters birthday pressie today. A dressing up dress and headbands/jewellery etc. So pretty! Sad I will probably never get to buy that for my own girl but still I went looking for something as girly as possible and enjoyed it where as Ive never braved doing that before, normally got something like a book etc.
I feel like I can sort of let a little bit of my dissapointment of never getting to buy pink, show to my friends as long as I still say how I also see tons of cute boy stuff which is gorgeous but am gutted Ill never get to shop for pink

just remember you dont know it is boy for sure!

[deaks66]

Sorry feel like im in need of a vent...

Having wobbles about selling up. On one hand i've always dreamt of living in the countryside in an old house that i have done up but on the otherhand we have just got our house perfect and live right in the centre of a beautiful town with loads of stuff going on. Im wandering whether i will regret this move. Have any of you made the move from town to country and if so afterwards did you have any regrets? Will i miss being able to pop into town for shopping, tea and cake etc or will the benfits of living in the country outweigh that downside? We have second viewings on our house and apparently both couples love it so we may need to make a definate decision soon. eeeek!

[maybepink3]

Hi ladies,

Maybe, im so with you on the drugs side of things. I had inducement and epidural with ds1 and pethidine with ds2. Neither was a great experience due to my twisted pelvis, but out of choice i think i would go epidural next time. I think going no drugs is all very well if you have had easy previous births but if you have had rubbish experiences, going the hippy route will be scary and probably make you tense up making it even worse.

Lavender, im glad pethedine was great for you. I hated it because i kept falling asleep between contractions which meant it felt like i didnt get any time to gather my thoughts and prepare myself for the next wave. It just felt like one enormous contraction that never stopped! I take it, it wasnt like this for you?

Charlie, are you ok hun? im worried that we havent heard from you. Im thinking of you so much and also you babymad, maybe pink, indigo and chocolate as i know you three are suffering too. Im so clinging onto hope of a girl at the moment. Wish i was still in the zone of thinking it is boy and being fine with it...that was a healthier place to be!

Just checking in - supposed to be working but hasn't happened today so lots to catch up on tonight. I'm feeling a lot better, feeling the baby move a lot more now and got my head round having another boy. Still feeling low on occasional days - DH's granny's 90th had everyone asking 'do you know what it is' even before they'd properly said hello then 'are you going to keep going til you get a girl'. How cruel some people can be without even probably realising it.
Charlie - been thinking of you lots too and see you haven't posted in a few days. Really hope you're ok hun. Am guessing it's hit you very hard. Big hugs xxx

[Sunset]

Kell I have insisted on a epidural due to my induction and blood pressure. Only had gas and air with the boys but been there done that - no more hippy birthing for me!

trust me i've had 2 hippy births but was adviced to have the epidural this time because of my high bp and I didn't feel any pain at all, whatsoever! :agree: I could still move my legs and move around on the bed and i still felt tremendous pressure but there was no pain at all. It was a lovely birth experience and so special not to be screaming in pain and shouting in "GET IT OUT" for once lol if only the next 5 days that followed would have been just as lovely :/

[deaks66]

Just checking in - supposed to be working but hasn't happened today so lots to catch up on tonight. I'm feeling a lot better, feeling the baby move a lot more now and got my head round having another boy. Still feeling low on occasional days - DH's granny's 90th had everyone asking 'do you know what it is' even before they'd properly said hello then 'are you going to keep going til you get a girl'. How cruel some people can be without even probably realising it.
Charlie - been thinking of you lots too and see you haven't posted in a few days. Really hope you're ok hun. Am guessing it's hit you very hard. Big hugs xxx

Maybepink, lovely to hear from you. How insensitive can people be?!!! People talk about babies as though they are sweets or something. Its a massive deal to decide to get pg again, especially if deep down you know you would prefer one gender and might not get it! Such throw away comments that hurt the recipient so much!
Great that you are having lots more good days than down days :)

[Sunset]

Sorry feel like im in need of a vent...

Having wobbles about selling up. On one hand i've always dreamt of living in the countryside in an old house that i have done up but on the otherhand we have just got our house perfect and live right in the centre of a beautiful town with loads of stuff going on. Im wandering whether i will regret this move. Have any of you made the move from town to country and if so afterwards did you have any regrets? Will i miss being able to pop into town for shopping, tea and cake etc or will the benfits of living in the country outweigh that downside? We have second viewings on our house and apparently both couples love it so we may need to make a definate decision soon. eeeek!

i'm sorry i cant help, but from our emails i thought moving to the country was your dream hun? :) of course you're gonna question if it's the right thing to do, that's only natural because it's such a life changing decision.. but i'm sure you will make the decision that's right for you in the end :)

[Sunset]

charlie how are you doing hun? i'm thinking of you!!! x

[chocolate]

maybepink, glad your having some better days, so hard though!

Deaks, thanks but I have just let go of thinking this once 'could' be a girl, I dont like that hope as it makes the fall harder. Im certain this is a boy and means I can plan for the future based on that and have longer to get over it.

House wise - how far out is the house in the country> how far to drive back to town? Id love to move to the country but would want to be able to drive to town within 5 to 10 mins. Just means you plan your days and outings better thats all,good luck!

Charlie - hope your ok and just taking some time out from the forum as I can understand why.

Pain relief I had pethidine with DS1 and it chilled me out, felt crap after being drugged up but app. it shouldnt have done, maybe hormones did it! I also had gas and air which lept me focussed. Didnt feel stitches and had loads, didnt need gas and air for them either which shocked the nurses.

DS2 I had gas and air and water pool for pain relief, perfect labour, felt in control till the end, not particularly painful. However had an eposiotomy as DS's cord was short and heartrate didnt recover well everytime I contracted so after 7 minutes he was out. However the stitches were so painful I was wincing and using gas and air, I said I didnt feel them with DS2 and was that the pethidine and they said no I should have felt them lol. Maybe 1st time round the stretching numbed me!

Id def. have an epidural if it dragged on, the worst part for me is the pushing stage and stitches so Id have pethidine to calm me ready for pushing.

But, I liked feeling normal after DS2 with just gas and air so swings and roundabouts really

[Lavenderlime]

Deaks I pretty much fell asleep and sort of woke up a tiny bit when I was contracting but was pretty out of it so didn't register the pain. Then it was time to push and I just sort of woke up and pushed but my contractions were 5 minutes apart probably due to the pethadine but it only took two pushes to get ds2 out! I was Pushing for 45 minutes with ds1. I would use it again but know of people who also didn't get on with it like you. I intially didn't want it incase it made ds2 drowsy so a lazy feeder but he was very alert from the the start.

I can get the house wobble. When we were in London I realised how much we miss out on living in a village by a small town shops wise. But I love my village! We have a carnival with floats, street fairs with stalls in the summer, I feel really safe it's nice and quiet nice school that we can walk to etc. etc.
But I would love, love a farmhouse with lots of land where the kids could run free! I think we will have to move in about 4 years time as we will out grow our house and I will be really sad as we have spent so much time doing it up.

How far are you from shops, dr's schools etc if you go ahead with the move?

The good thing about our villiage even though it's really small, there is a Dr's, two vets, village shop with post office and butchers in it. Local pub and first and middle school and a little library and village hall!! Also we have a milkman and there's a man that delivers coal. So if you get snowed in your allright! The only annoying thing is driving to petrol stations and Tesco's only about 10 minutes drive but feel like a chore.

[Kell]

Charlie hope your ok? Hope dh was ok with the news too.

Deaks I really don't see too much of a problem moving to the country especially around here, it's usually so easy to get into a town if you want, the drives are never usually more than 10 mins or so, and let's face it that's not really long, especially when in a big town like st Albans it can take that long to go a couple of miles lol!
It's only natural to have doubts about something this big! In health psychology we are looking at how stress effects health and moving house and having a baby are both considered major life events with alot of stress and anxiety around them!

Feeling so run down at the moment, no motivation or energy and not particularly happy either. Joys of pregnancy hormones huh! I hope it doesn't effect me and dp too much because last pregnancy we had some pretty tough times, I'm starting to just be irritated by everything he does again and I don't really know why!!

[chocolate]

Kell Im like that in pregnancy too with my OH, normally he does annoying selfish stuff but I ignore it, now I have a rant to him over it! Hormones suck! I have really happy positive days and then days where I feel run down and weak. Hope we perk up when the sun shines, not long till better weather.

Lavenderlime I forgot about that with the baby being sleepy, DS1 was and wouldnt feed so had to have formula although I should have expressed thinking about it. He also had low sugar levels too but that was gd

[maybebabythree]

Love this link.... the fox design is def my fav!

Yes me too! That's my favourite!! In red of course :-) got some nice things from boden in the sale too but lovely to find something unique that I can afford!

X

[maybebabythree]

Charlie I'm getting worried now too. Let us know your ok x

Deaks I live in a hamlet. Slowly over ten years the shop, post office and pubs have all shut down. The buses are going to be scrapped to. I am at least 1.5 mile from a corner shop but luckily five mins walk to the train station! You can not live here without a car. I grew up in a big town and went to uni in London so hated it when I first moved here. Now I love it! Only thing is I consider people walking past the house as weird as there is hardly anyone living here. Don't know how I would cope living around lots of people now.

[Sunset]

Kell wow are you 19 weeks already! :) nearly half way!

[indigoviolet]

Maybepink- those comments are just typical, I'm getting them also almost daily, it is SO boring to always be having to pretend to be happy with whatever gender etc etc. I'm only just starting out and I'm so fed up with them. Yesterday a friend said, 'you must be hoping for a girl'. Like you said, people don't mean to be hurtful they are just making conversation but it is a constant reminder and hurts :(

Maybebaby- lovely to see you today. epidurals are wonderful! Like sunset said, you can still move your legs and feel some pressure etc but NO pain! I'm sure you will have the best labour yet! try and relax and think positive as that definitely helps too. :HH:

Sorry girls, feeling pretty rubbish and negative at the moment. Heading off to bed in a min, so tired and pg hormones...not fun! Wish I could wave a magic wand and give all of us our dream....

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Just wanted to send out some hugs to your girls in need of them tonight, rest well, come and let us know your ok and if you want tell us how your feeling :heart:

[pinga]

Hugs to everyone feeling down.... I know what you mean. There are really low days aren't there. I think I am really getting used to the idea of another boy. Desperately trying to force myself to think about what we are getting rather than what we aren't getting... but like others said - its those constant reminders! All my friends have girls so I'm always having to buy presents for girls :(

I would love to move to the country but I also want to be near things :) I want the best of both worlds! I went to uni in Aberystwyth and I loved being in a fairly small place and out of the way! We have been looking at Ely as a potential place in the UK. Anyone know the area? Any opinions?

I'm into my hippy births. With DS1 I just had gas and air and I had nothing with DS2 - although to be fair they wouldn't have had time to even do an epidural. They asked if I wanted gas for the stitches after DS2 and I remember looking at him and saying - I just pushed a baby out of there... I think I can handle stitches :D I'm planning to go with nothing again this time but I never say never to anything!! After DS2 the midwife asked if I was doing hypnobirthing.... which I wasn't. You just have to go with what is right for you. I HATE needles so really didn't want an epidural and "no pethidene" was my 2 word birth plan :D

I would say I'm more anxious about this birth too. Silly huh? I think its more that I'm worried about whether I'll get to help in time. I really don't want to be having this baby on my own at home!!! DS2 was 55 minute birth. DH works about 20mins away so I hope he gets to me in time. Have to make sure my ambulance membership is up to date - we have to pay yearly subscription for ambulance here.

Indigo/maybepink - I haven't had too many comments yet and I'm glad for that. I do find that sometimes I'll mention something about the pregnancy and someone will say - maybe that means its a girl and the comment just hits me out of the blue like a punch. People just love to make conversation and don't realise that it can make us so sad.

Anyways... think I'll take the boys to the library this morning - its a wet morning in Melbourne!

[deaks66]

Pinga, I know ELy a bit as o grew up not far away! It's a lovely town or city I suppose as it has a cathedral but it's small. The county of Cambridgeshire is lovely though flat and a bit uninspiring to look at. The fens is a funny area which I guess ely is in and there are some villages I definately wouldn't recommend but I think ely is a lovely place. Cambridgeshire on the whole is a pretty affordable county which is great and Cambridge is a fantastic city to be near to. I live an hour south and house prices are virtually double.

Sunset, you are so right, the countryside is my dream and I need to remember that when Im having a wobble.

Thanks for your opinions on town v country ladies! The village we are looking at is very close to two towns and not far from the town I live in now either so nothing would be too far to get to, would just have to get used to being in the car more. The house is quite far outside the village which is a shame in a way but think we will just use our bikes more, though it's pretty hilly just round there!

[Lavenderlime]

So sorry you ladies are feeling down. I think the problem with swaying is it hits you twice as hard when it doesn't work. It's such a hard placeto be. So glad we have here to vent and don't have to keep our GD feelings bottled up.

Have been pinning like mad on pintrest so much so think I broke it lol.

Night all

[Sunset]

Morning ladies! just wanted to pop in wish you all a lovely day! :) i'm in 7th heaven as our new dishwasher was delivered yesterday :P my life is gonna get SO much easier from now on!

[Lavenderlime]

Sunset I have dishwasher envy!

Well i just weighed myself which i normally do on a daily basis but have been refraining doing it on the lead up to ovulation. As well as peeing on opks etc so that I can have a chilled out as possible attempt. Anyhow I've put on 3lb in just over a week.... not great so if I conceive this month it's most probably a boy. But if i'd stuck to 800-1000 calories a day doubt I would have ovulated....... grrrrr... anyway got day 21 bloods on Friday. And if I haven't ovulated at least I have weight to loose now again. I wasn't even eating that much probably about 1500-1600 calories a day but that was double what I was eating before so no wonder i've gained the lbs.

Well anyway I've had loads of fun pinning outfit ideas for the girl i'll never have haha, also some lovely boy bits too.
It's really fun and the next best thing to actually being able to shop for a girl. Here's my girl board Girls clothes (http://pinterest.com/littlebluebulb/girls-clothes/) and here's my boy board Boys clothes (http://pinterest.com/littlebluebulb/boys-clothes/) I'd love to see what you ladies would choose??? It's really quite addictive!

[maybebabythree]

I don't get too upset about the dd comments now. No one knows that we know it's a boy so maybe they will be more hurtful when he's here? I keep on telling people I'm having more which is a good one to shut people up 'oh if it's a boy that's left room for a fourth!' I I don't think I will have another though. I don't want to give up working and two lots of childcare is too much for me.

Will try to stay positive for a lovely birth and keep on remembering it's not about the pain - it's about the baby and meeting him! X

[charlieispy]

am 'ok' ladies i am just coming to terms with only ever being a wannabe not a SMOG for now am taking a break from everything or I may just break x

[Kell]

Hugs Charlie xx hope you feel up to coming back soon x

Sunset, I too have dishwasher envy! Our kitchen is too small :( I keep trying to think of ways to get one, but it either involves extending water mains which is difficult and costly or not having a washing machine in the house lol. I will keep thinking! Yep 19 weeks now, in some ways it's quick but others it feels like its dragged!
Getting braxton hicks now as well which is pretty early for me!

Must get off here and do some course work!

[chocolate]

Indigo, hope your feeling better today xx

Sunset, I couldnt live sanely without my dishwasher now, what about a table top one, probably only does one meals worth but may be worth it?

Lavenderlime, sorry couldnt look at the girly clothes lol, only just able to take a glance at them as I look for girl pressents for friends children, and thats only because I know HT is a possible option.

Charlie, completely understand you taking a break from here etc. Could you and your family go away for a long weekend or something or book a holiday to look forward to?


I bought some cute dungaree's today in Matalan sale, got my eldest some shorts, my 15 month old a cute tigger summer soft dungaree set, and this baby some soft tiger 0 to 3 month dungaree's and some 3 to 6month denim dungaree's, oh and also a brown fluffy fleece and jeans. Not that we need any more boys clothes lol but they were in the sale and cute affordable boy stuff is hard to come across so had to be done.

Kell, hope coursework is done quickly, glad those days are gone, dont know how you combine that with kids and pregnancy!

[HopeandDreamG]

Charlie~ I am so sorry you didn't hear pink. I feel gutted everytime I hear an opposite because I know it can just as easily be me, or anyone of us. And all of us know how strong the desire can be for a certain gender. I know I'm stating the obvious, but I really don't know what else to say ((hug))

Zanacal~ Love the ticker. I just noticed it!

Sunset~ hope your enjoying your baby girl.

Ingelwood~ How you feeling these days? I think of you often. I've even told my mom about you and think I'm in awwww with the idea that you swayed for a girl and got two!! Love looking at your pics

Deaks~ hoping your enjoying your BFP.

Hi everyone else :)

As I've said before I don't come over here often but have always felt a connection to you ladies since I came here with most of you from PL, and PL was really the first place I started posting about swaying (actually if you would believe its the first time I ever posted on the internet, till now I was never a poster/blogger-still not a facebooker). I had lurked on IG. Anyway, if I hadn't have connected with you on PL I probably wouldn't be on this site and I am soooo grateful to have found this site! Sorry if I sound totally corny...

[deaks66]

Charlie, so glad you got in touch. You take all the breaks and time you need and you will come to terms with it all im sure! I think in some respects whilst being on a gd thread is helpful and supportive, it also makes us obsess about it all even more and also makes the cruelness of life hit home even more when some ladies sway successfully and some dont. Sending you a massive hug and also to all our other lovely ladies struggling XXXXX

Hope and Dream, i love it when you pop on to say hello! And what you said is lovely and not at all corny! When is your next attempt?

I got two poorly boys today... one with ear infection and one with sore throat and snots...fun

[HopeandDreamG]

Thanks Deaks! I never want to feel like I'm intrusive, so I appreciate that.

I just had my attempt. I think I did all I possibly can. I'm trying to look at it like something similar to a post I;ve read of atomics: If I had a die with 8 sides I made 6 of them Pink and 2 Blue. I'm really praying it lands on a PINK. I will be destroyed if it lands on blue, but I have to try. I think your right, swaying and being on sites sometimes can make GD worse it sometimes feels like how can it not work? I've done everything!

I just attempted! Yay..I will have a blood test on March 8th because I did a trigger injection docs want to make sure its a real BFP. Im feeling thirsty since yesterday no matter how much water I drink (about 4dpo tonight), and at 2dpo I had some heartburn. I'm usually not a symptom spotter but the thirst is beyond obvious, and I just read this can be a early preggy sign.

[deaks66]

Thanks Deaks! I never want to feel like I'm intrusive, so I appreciate that.

I just had my attempt. I think I did all I possibly can. I'm trying to look at it like something similar to a post I;ve read of atomics: If I had a die with 8 sides I made 6 of them Pink and 2 Blue. I'm really praying it lands on a PINK. I will be destroyed if it lands on blue, but I have to try. I think your right, swaying and being on sites sometimes can make GD worse it sometimes feels like how can it not work? I've done everything!

I just attempted! Yay..I will have a blood test on March 8th because I did a trigger injection docs want to make sure its a real BFP. Im feeling thirsty since yesterday no matter how much water I drink (about 4dpo tonight), and at 2dpo I had some heartburn. I'm usually not a symptom spotter but the thirst is beyond obvious, and I just read this can be a early preggy sign.

You are never intrusive, i wish you were on here more often! None of us would want to think that this was a cliquey site, its open to everyone and anyone who wants to join us!

Great news about the symtoms! I symptom spotted every month but last month when i got my bfp i got less but more unusual symtoms than other months! fx for you! What was your timing like? Im obsessed with timing (the result of having 2 boys conceived on ov day i think!) and will have to eat my words if i have a dd as it was ov day again im sure!

[HopeandDreamG]

I def don't think its cliquey. Its probably just me being self conscious!

So here was my attempt- you asked about timing (i'll get there!) but I don't believe timing sways. I think maternal conditon sways. So heres what I did. LE diet since Dec. 30th I've lost 20 pounds. Ate at 12pm, 5pm, and a small something like 8pm. Only veggies/fruit I ate: cucumbers, green beans & strawberries. I did not eat one ounce of meat, a HUGE change-always ate chicken at lunch and chicken/red meat at dinner. I Never ate over 1200 cals. My supps: acidopholus 2 a day, baby aspirin, folic acid, & For 6 weeks took Vitex & Saw Palmetto stopped at CD1 to take clomid CD3-7. DH: took cal, mag, cranberry & licorice root 3 a day. Starting CD 3 DH released everyday, a few times 2 X a day, the day before our first attempt he released 2 X's, and the day of the first attempt he released before the attempt. So before attempts started DH released 12 times in 7 days. We began DTD CD10 (I thought my injection was going to be CD 11, but it ended up CD 13). I felt I had to just keep going. So we DTD 7x's in the fertile window: CD 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 (2 times), & 15. Since Injection was CD13 I most likely O'd at night CD 14 (36hrs later). So basically I dtd through O.
Did that all make sense?

Forgot, I used rephresh CD 10 first attempt, & CD 14 day I was probably O'ing

[deaks66]

Sounds like an amazing sway hun! Total respect to anyones dh that can release that often!!!! My poor dh really struggled with releasing so we had to give up on the combo and just went with abstinence and a one hit wonder which was meant to be o+12 but more like ov! Really hope you get your bfp! when will you start testing?

[HopeandDreamG]

Deaks~ thanks. I will do a hpt on march 7th which I guess will be like 12dpo. The trigger should be out of my system by then so if its positive it will be a real positive. I'm afraid if I test too early it could be the trigger and a false positive.
If you think about it O +12 is on O day too. I bet lots of ladies who got preggy with 0+ were closer to O then they thought to get pregnant. Its the abstinance and Frequent, & diet/maternal condition as well as lowering Dh's T that sways not the time. The time is just to get pregnant!

[Kell]

Good luck h&d!! I hope you get your pink bfp! Your sway sounds good!

I have to say I never thought you guys were cliquey when I started posting! Was always made to feel very welcome, and now just feel like part of the furniture lol!

[chocolate]

Good luck H&DG, I had the trigger injection with DS1 and I tested super early with cheapies just to see the line fade out and then fade back in again, if I didnt see it completely go or get lighter and then darker I wouldnt have believed it was a positive.

Im not sure about swaying, I starved myself stupid lol and still have another boy on the way, for me I think I naturally have more testosterone due to PCOS so think that naturally makes my body boy friendly. Seems to me that girl mums generally seem to be a bit softer spoken or the men are more in touch with their femine side and neither me or OH are really. We also seem to fall pregnant 1st month of trying and do believe that lower sperm count sways girl but wonder if that has to be due to a naturally low sperm count as opposed to a forced lower count ifuswim.
Would I sway again if I were to have another naturally? Yes, because I need to feel Ive done all I can.

Deaks, hope your boys perk up quickly

[Lavenderlime]

Good luck H&D I will be testing on Tuesday so a day just before you!

What is the trigger injection? Cos I might ask for it if it turns out I didn't ovulate this cycle.

[maybebabythree]

Charlie thanks for popping on. It's hard as I know why some people leave but it's sad to see people go. Please come back with your feeling better x

[maybebabythree]

Oh yes I hope we aren't cliquey! It must seem that we know each other really well but there aren't to many of us either so always room for more I say!

You just might not find me commenting on peoples sways as I can't comment :-) swaying couldn't get me pg.

[HopeandDreamG]

Good luck H&D I will be testing on Tuesday so a day just before you!

What is the trigger injection? Cos I might ask for it if it turns out I didn't ovulate this cycle.

It's actually hcG. It makes sure you O. You O 24-36 hrs. later. No need for opks they would jut light up. The ladies over on the HT boards told me that most everyone will O in that time frame !

[indigoviolet]

miss you so much charlie :HH:

H&D, you are SO so welcome here!

got late, sorry, will catch up with you all tomorrow xxxx

[HopeandDreamG]

Chocolate- I'm hoping I can conceive a girl. I have before and she had chromosome issues. How blxxdy (for my uk girls) cruel.. I wasn't swaying but I was losing weight each week. It was actually an oops. I don't have PCOS but I'm def most likely a gal with high T. So is Dh.