2022 TWW Thread!

[Kazzzz]

Yeah my partner has normal - high sperm count according to theat home test we did 2 years ago don't know how accurate that is. Maybe he needs to do cr before our attempt lower sperm numbers. Since he's 43 he can't do abstaining.

Also another admin just told me that she had a failed le sway and it was hard in her because she has ir so another mum who could of benefited from the pcos diet. You say le to them and they think one of two things 1 le white everything which it is but as you say being used less now and has less success then the pcos/alt/le diet or 2 le is to make you acid so they themselves have old outdated an incorrect info in their brains so of course they are going to think it doesn't work if i thought like them i wouldn't think it worked either. I had my fail on le an they are like well why are you doing it again, not many if any of them know about the pcos alternative diet I'm happy i came back because i believe i need the alt diet myself.

Side note I've had 2 sweet bingey type sugar attacks over the last 4 days sun an wed were I'm craving something so sweet that when i give in i cant stop and its making me feel terrible about my sway. I'm still sticking in limits apart from those 2 days. I think i did ovulate 7 days ago and that would explain the cravings i normally get them post ovulation a few times. We'll see over the next wk or so if i get my af. Also should i up my servings of myo inositol? I'm only breastfeeding twice in 24hrs more of a comfort to sleep thing since my son is 17m old.

[atomic sagebrush]

Swaying isn't 100%, and people get out of it what they put into it, so someone claiming they had an opposite on LE Diet doesn't mean anything about what works for YOU. I encounter people regularly who will say "but I did LE Diet" and find out that they did this based on what someone told them online, that wasn't LE Diet at all. Either it is some sort of terrible starvation diet where they're eating nothing, or it's more like an Ingender Diet, or a combination between the two. Again, I can't control the world, and people are going to make all sorts of claims about this and that. It is what it is. I know plenty of people who will swear things like "but keto diets don't work" etc and you find out they're not doing keto diet at all, so it's just one of those things that happens when it comes to diets.

People assume that if they had an opposite that means swaying can't work, or a particular KIND of swaying can't work, but that's just not logical. If something is even 80% effective (and when it comes to swaying that's unknown, but we use that as a theoretical upper window on results) there would still be 20% opposites, but a person would be ill served by then switching over to something that didn't work at all! And many people are very blue friendly to start with, so they may be going from 80% theoretically likely to have a boy, to even just 50-50 and that's a huge improvement, but they'd see it as a failure because there's no guarantee. But swaying simply cannot be a guarantee, and that's why you have to look at the overall results instead of just one person here or there. Because you don't know how they swayed, and you don't know if they didn't have a great sway and then the cards just didn't go their way, that's all.

Above all else, I think you guys should first and foremost do what makes sense to you, and if that is what another person online is telling you, that's totally cool, and I hope it works for everyone.

Yep absolutely that's the time many people crave sweets. It's ok to have a cheat at that time. If you treat it as something you can have whenever, instead of some big forbidden thing you're doing, you'll actually find it's easier to stop. If you want a cookie one day, that's totally fine. If you want a doughnut the next day, no worries. Even if you were cheating with sweets on the daily, that would still be better than trying to "be good" only to end up having big blowouts where you eat a dozen doughnuts and a pack of cookies and then 400 other things besides.

I don't think you should tinker with your myoinositol dose. I think for you, your best approach will be to pick a lane and go with it and keep swaying out of your head as much as possible. The more you dwell on details, it just feeds the control freakishness so let's just stick with what you're doing. You haven't been diagnosed with PCOS anyway, you're thin, and I don't want to chance messing up your cycle anyway, which too much myoinositol can definitely do.

[Kazzzz]

Cool thanks I am i think officially cd1 had some light spotting/bleeding last night 10pm this morning its still very light. I normally get my af hard an fast. Is this common first postpartum af? I'm still just taking 1/4 tsp myo-inositol daily so shouldn't be that. Now do i start clomid on cd3 and mark today as cd1 even though its light? I think it should pick up today an get heavier but then again its a breastfeeding af so I'm in unfamiliar territory. My cravings have stopped so that's a good thing.

Also i feel like this time swaying has broke me lol like i feel like i don't care anymore, I've stopped writing things down an if i do randomly here or there its a quick scribble. I've got the gist of what/how much i can eat an I'm just not worrying about the sway anymore. I feel like its a sway breakthrough I've given in not just in the sway but in my home life too i don't care about every little thing like i use to. I feel like everything is bigger then me and I'm only 1 person i feel like I've surrender. I've been fighting a losing battle my whole life now I'm just arr i don't care. I've become lazy an careless at home the house gets messy, dinner is 2 min noodles more often and i feel like the kids have taken over lol i just hide in room as much as possible to avoid responsibility now lol oh my gosh that sounds so bad and so funny at the same time. I definitely have a new personality. I'm more like my partner lazy, careless, an try avoid responsibility. I'm laughing right now i have changed so much now instead of me just doing something automatically i say to my partner with my feet up on the coffee table can't you do. I feel like I've slumped down to his level and i put way more workload on him now. Feels great. I'm on holiday from myself first time in my life. With 1 or 2 kids i could control and run the family but now with 3 kids i'm out of my depth an I've given in.

[Kazzzz]

I only used 1 tampon today so not sure if its like a proper cd1 but wouldn't call it spotting definitely a light flow. Now 8pm cd1 don't know what to expect tomorrow such a weird experience like could this be as heavy as it gets then it dry up in a day or two? Also that was roughly 7-10 lp hopefully that doesn’t continue an prevent pregnancy. Anyway i guess I'll start the clomid in 2 days and just go with it?

[Kazzzz]

So after my last message at 8pm heavy flow started an i filled another tampon before midnight sorry tmi some people reading. Atomic would today be cd1 or yesterday? Yesterday was light flow, heavly flow started 8pm last night. It's just so i know when yo start clomid thats all

[atomic sagebrush]

So after my last message at 8pm heavy flow started an i filled another tampon before midnight sorry tmi some people reading. Atomic would today be cd1 or yesterday? Yesterday was light flow, heavly flow started 8pm last night. It's just so i know when yo start clomid thats all

It doesn't matter really, but I'd call it the day of heavy flow. The Clomid is more forgiving than people realize.

[Kazzzz]

Can clomid make your ovulation late or early? When would i start testing with opk? I'm getting nervous now lol

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it absolutely can change your O day.

Start testing the 4th day after your last dose. You can get false positives on OPK up to 3 days after taking Clomid, and you won't O till at the earliest 5 days after your last dose, so by testing the 4th day you'll get in on the surge if you O 5 days after, and you won't get the false positives.

[Kazzzz]

Ok thank you.
You know how vegetable oil is good for a girl sway well on the back of my vegetable oil it says soya bean oil and canola, should i stick to just my plan canola oil since I'm on the pcos I should avoid soy?
Just looked online

These are high omega 6
Sunflower oil
Soy bean oil
Corn oil
Cotton seed

Canola oil is half as much omega 6 as these oils. Are any of these oils more boy friendly for any other reason? Or can i use any of these (alot) i want to make a big jar of creamy homemade dressing which at the moment is were most of my fat is coming from so will be cheaper to make it at home. I'm putting heaps of dressing on my meals (within limits) Just wondering which oil would be more girl friendly for my homemade dressing. Thanks atomic.

[atomic sagebrush]

All those oils are fine, use any of them you want. I am not going to analyze these oils as we don't know what matters for swaying and no one's sway ever came down this oil vs. that oil. Any vegetable based, non-super healthy (like, most avoid olive oil) oil is fine.

Canola oil was extra pink friendly for other reasons aside from the Omega 6 dating back to InGender.

Pick whichever oil works for you or mix and match them.

[Kazzzz]

Fantastic thanks I'm not worried just thought i had to avoid soya beans/soy. Cool I'll just avoid olive oil which I've already been doing since i got my boys using it daily.

[atomic sagebrush]

Soy oil is not soybeans or soy foods. It's pure fat just derived from the soybean with all other chemistry removed from it. Soy oil has none of the micronutrients in soy foods, and it does not have the soy protein. It's the soy proteins and isoflavones we are wanting to avoid. Soy oil has none of that in it so it's fine.

[Kazzzz]

Oh fantastic my favourite dressing is soya bean oil based. Whats your take on cholesterol and or seasons swaying?

[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not sure what you mean by cholesterol - you mean personal cholesterol levels or eating foods with cholesterol in them?

The old school claims about seasons and "ions" are nonsense. There is a slight bump that's been observed in some studies where there are slightly more girls conceived in the spring and slightly more boys conceived in the fall that possibly has some science to it. But it's minor and completely possible to overcome that easily with swaying. I got my girl in the alleged boy months.

[Kazzzz]

Ok thanks i mean woman with say moderate or high cholesterol would that naturally sway boy? Also my dressing which is a ranch one has 3 grams of sugar pr serve i know you say sugar in things is ok but that alot of woman swaying girl eat ranch due to it being low sugar. Is that level of sugar ok 4-6 serves a day? I'm eating mostly dressing as my fat. Thanks again

[Kazzzz]

Also so sorry for taking over the tww tread you can delete it all if you want. I'm just wondering also if your still advising woman to take fiber supplements for a girl sway or not proving very effective anymore? I've been using it but would happily drop it to simplify my sway

[Kazzzz]

Again sorry last question is it ok that I'm on drinkng lots of coffee when on pcos? It says no caffeine or to avoid it

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok thanks i mean woman with say moderate or high cholesterol would that naturally sway boy? Also my dressing which is a ranch one has 3 grams of sugar pr serve i know you say sugar in things is ok but that alot of woman swaying girl eat ranch due to it being low sugar. Is that level of sugar ok 4-6 serves a day? I'm eating mostly dressing as my fat. Thanks again

The theory would be higher cholesterol might sway blue, but we honestly don't know that. I wonder if, for some people, starting off with high cholesterol and then lowering it thru diet and weight loss might be EASIER than a person who already had normal cholesterol and had boys despite that. But lowering cholesterol thru diet isn't easy, unless a person has a fair amount of weight to spare.

FWIW I have good cholesterol and have boys. I have had some blue swayers with high cholesterol who had all girls. So.

As already mentioned in your other thread, sugar in most sauces is fine. When we say "avoid sugar" on the alternate PCOS-type LE Diet, we are talking about sugar in cakes, cookies, candy, and sugar added to drinks, that sort of thing. Not sugars in sauces which you should not be counting or thinking about. Yeah, if you CAN choose salad dressings like ranch which aren't the super sweet ones like French or 1000 Island, that's great, but beyond that please don't worry about sugar in sauces.

[atomic sagebrush]

Also so sorry for taking over the tww tread you can delete it all if you want. I'm just wondering also if your still advising woman to take fiber supplements for a girl sway or not proving very effective anymore? I've been using it but would happily drop it to simplify my sway

I recommend fiber for some people and not others, and I have many other people give it up after a while if they lost too much weight or if their ovulation stops. I can't give a blanket recommendation like that.

[atomic sagebrush]

Again sorry last question is it ok that I'm on drinkng lots of coffee when on pcos? It says no caffeine or to avoid it

Yes, coffee is fine on the alternate diet. "Don't have caffeine" is standard advice for PCOSers but a) it's probably not good advice to start with b) if a person changes their diet with PCOS, there was never any need to give up caffeine/coffee anyway and c) you are not on the diet because you have PCOS, you're on it because you had an opposite on the other sway diet. I would not have told you to have coffee, discussed coffee with you at length in the past, if I did not intend for you to have coffee.

I really, once again, must point out that the number one, by far and away, the biggest predictor of sways that don't work out are people who are too control freakish and detail oriented about their sways, worrying about things that do not need to be even thought about, asking me the same question again and again, etc. I think you need to just set up a plan and roll with it.

[Kazzzz]

I'm trying.
Just had a few things on my mind. I am pretty set and i definitely care less about the whole thing kinda over it to be honest but just still doing it incase i sway boy again by dropping everything. So onwards an upwards hoping i get a bfp sooner rather then later.

[Kazzzz]

Hey how much ole should dh take each day? My dh is looking to take a healthy supplement because he said he wants to try be healthy lol like theres a magic pill out there that makes you healthy without putting in work so i said I'll look into it for him all the while thinking you can take ole lol sneak in swaying supp

[atomic sagebrush]

Somewhere between 500-1000. The reason for the variation is because we can't always find it in 500 mg doses, so anywhere between 500-1000 is fine. We used to want to see guys eventually going up to 1000, but we saw a lot of side effects on that dose, thus I prefer most people closer to 500 unless they can only find 1000, if that makes sense.

[Kazzzz]

Officially in the tww woohoo 1 attempt done last night opks were picking up so i went for it and then this morning i got my positive!! Trying to relax now will continue with most things during the tww. Atomic do you recommend woman reduce coffee an alcohol during the tww? I'm having like 5 coffees a day an 2 alcoholic drinks don't want the egg if fertilised to not stick well or anything like that. Also thanks for all your help.

[Kazzzz]

Also the myo-inositol i keep taking then stop at bfp right?

[atomic sagebrush]

Officially in the tww woohoo 1 attempt done last night opks were picking up so i went for it and then this morning i got my positive!! Trying to relax now will continue with most things during the tww. Atomic do you recommend woman reduce coffee an alcohol during the tww? I'm having like 5 coffees a day an 2 alcoholic drinks don't want the egg if fertilised to not stick well or anything like that. Also thanks for all your help.

It is at your discretion. I don't really have a recommendation on either of those things in the 2WW; I don't like to see anyone drop coffee altogether, as it can cause headaches, but 5 coffees is quite a lot really. Most people stop drinking at ovulation, although it's ~probably~ fine to continue 1-2 drinks a day til BFP. We don't believe that either of these things stop implantation in any way.

[atomic sagebrush]

Also the myo-inositol i keep taking then stop at bfp right?

Go to half dose or every other day in the 2WW and then WEAN OFF at BFP. Do not "stop", you must wean off, and by going to every other day you're already starting the weaning process.

[Kazzzz]

Thanks, I've noticed my post o temps are weak like not high pre o 36.1 post 36.3 and are rising slow no clear big jump after o. Do i have a progesterone problem? Can i still conceive with low temps? My cm an cp changed after o so theres enough progesterone for that

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks, I've noticed my post o temps are weak like not high pre o 36.1 post 36.3 and are rising slow no clear big jump after o. Do i have a progesterone problem? Can i still conceive with low temps? My cm an cp changed after o so theres enough progesterone for that

Your temps do not tell you what your progesterone level is. I have seen tons of people go have their prog checked after thinking their temps weren't right and they had fine progesterone. That having been said what can happen sometimes is that you gear up to ovulate and then don't, so you won't get a temp rise because you didn't ovulate. Your symptoms do go away in that case, so it can ~seem~ like ovulation happened, but without a clear temp rise you should stay open to the possibility that it didn't.

[Kazzzz]

Ok now i think i didn't ovulate, this is so stressful I'll add my chart. I've had neg opk since my first pos an no more ewcm plus hard cervix, cm has been sticky

[Kazzzz]

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[Kazzzz]

My temps are all over the place because i wake up all over the place but the soild dot temps were nights that i slept well an took temp once at 5am so they are different but not huge. Also the night of our attempt i got drunk and so my next morning temp was way high it does that when i drink to much also the other high temp before ovulation i also noted on my chart that i had more drinks then normal an woke up feeling buggered from it. Whats your thoughts? If i switch to fam mode it says i haven't ovulated.

[Kazzzz]

And then there's todays chart. I must not of ovulated 43675

[atomic sagebrush]

Ok now i think i didn't ovulate, this is so stressful I'll add my chart. I've had neg opk since my first pos an no more ewcm plus hard cervix, cm has been sticky

If you think you haven't ovulated, you very likely didn't and I'd go with my instinct there!

[Kazzzz]

Can you get a pos opk with ewcm an high soft open cervix but then not ovulate till 5 days without getting a second surge or second round of ewcm and a hard cervix? All opks were negative after my first positive and physically i seemed to of gone infertile after that first pos.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes, you absolutely can. OPK can be false positive OR false negative.

What happens, and this is very common, is that your body gears up to ovulate and then for whatever reason decides not to. So you have all the hormones - the positive OPK, and since the hormones are what cause the symptoms, the symptoms too, and then it doesn't O. So the hormones diminish, the test goes neg, the symptoms go away - for a few days, or a week, or even longer, and then you'll later have another set of symptoms and another positive OPK and ovulate then. This can happen more than once, too, so while you probably will O the next time, it has taken some people 3-4 "fakers" before it's the real deal.

[Kazzzz]

Hey atomic is 500mg ole once daily enough for dh?

[Kazzzz]

Yes, you absolutely can. OPK can be false positive OR false negative.

What happens, and this is very common, is that your body gears up to ovulate and then for whatever reason decides not to. So you have all the hormones - the positive OPK, and since the hormones are what cause the symptoms, the symptoms too, and then it doesn't O. So the hormones diminish, the test goes neg, the symptoms go away - for a few days, or a week, or even longer, and then you'll later have another set of symptoms and another positive OPK and ovulate then. This can happen more than once, too, so while you probably will O the next time, it has taken some people 3-4 "fakers" before it's the real deal.

Also i did ovulate the first time the cycle before well i believe i did so my first pos opk postpartum i got a solid smiley then af 10 days later now I'm on cd27 don't know whats going on but tomorrow will mark 10days since i got my second pos opk but this time on a dip test but with the same urine my digital opk was negative so im guessing i probably didn't ovulate. So what will come next af or ovulation or is either possible? I read online you can have an af with an actual egg ever being released?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey atomic is 500mg ole once daily enough for dh?

yes

[atomic sagebrush]

Also i did ovulate the first time the cycle before well i believe i did so my first pos opk postpartum i got a solid smiley then af 10 days later now I'm on cd27 don't know whats going on but tomorrow will mark 10days since i got my second pos opk but this time on a dip test but with the same urine my digital opk was negative so im guessing i probably didn't ovulate. So what will come next af or ovulation or is either possible? I read online you can have an af with an actual egg ever being released?

You can have false positive or false negative OPK. So having a positive OPK, as I explained above, doesn't mean you for sure ovulated. But having a positive OPK and then getting your period at the appropriate time usually does mean that you ovulated.

As for this month, I suspect you geared up to ovulate and then didn't. We won't KNOW that till 14 days passes without AF arriving, but based on what you describe and the lack of temp rise, it sounds like you didn't.

The "getting AF without ovulating" is not really a thing. While you can have bleeding that some mistake for a period without ovulating, it's not a real period. It's called "breakthrough bleeding". It can still "reset" your cycle, but it just isn't an actual menstrual bleed, it's just lining coming off without an egg being released, and it happens sometimes if your estrogen drops suddenly even without ovulating.

But, ovulation can also be delayed. So I can't tell you if you'll have a bleed first, or ovulate first. If you haven't ovulated, the odds are good that you'll still ovulate, but sometimes esp. when nursing people will have breakthrough bleeding. I just can't say which will happen.

[Kazzzz]

Thanks, gosh i guess i just have to wait it out. I'm being taught to be patient but I've been dieting for 7 months getting tired of it now. I just want to go back to my natural boy diet but i won't i can't I've come to far to stop now haha. Tomorrow will be 14dpo or days passed pos opk but i still haven't seen my temp go an stay in a higher range. I've had some ewcm fri sat an now mon (today) but with streaks of blood in it like red strands. I have had this in the past on ovulation day. Is this normal for breastfeeding mothers with delayed ovulation? I thought it must be from fluctuating estrogen.
Also i completely stopped myo-inositol like 11 days ago after i noticed my temp didn't go up after pos opk so i assumed it was a failed ovulation so ditched the myo.

[atomic sagebrush]

Stay off the myo. You never needed it to begin with and I think it's lowering your hormone levels too far.

It's not unusual to have a little blood around O Day. It comes from small wounds in your cervix area that happen around O because your cervix is so soft, mixing with the EWCM and turns something that you'd never notice into something visible. If it keeps up or worsens, we should probably get in to the doc just to rule out something like cervical erosion, but it doesn't sound like that is what is happening, it's very likely O related instead.

[Kazzzz]

Thanks i had the blood streaks on fri sat an mon today is tues an still temps haven't said I've ovulated temps are still low so can the blood still be from ovulation? I guess each time its been noticed my cervix has also been soft so maybe it's the gearing up softening that causes the bleeding not actual ovulation itself? I won't take myo.

[dtwiddy13]

Okay ladies, I’m officially in this thread. I had my IUD out 1 week ago, got my positive OPK tonight, my 1 attempt tonight, and now we wait! I’ll keep testing to make sure I didn’t miss O day, but I’ll also be paying close attention to see if I feel ovulation cramping tomorrow. I have felt it when I was paying close attention with past attempts/pregnancies. Send me all your pink dust!!


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[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks i had the blood streaks on fri sat an mon today is tues an still temps haven't said I've ovulated temps are still low so can the blood still be from ovulation? I guess each time its been noticed my cervix has also been soft so maybe it's the gearing up softening that causes the bleeding not actual ovulation itself? I won't take myo.

Yes it's not from ovulation, it's from the cervix getting very soft and easily injured around that time. Can be before and slightly after.

[atomic sagebrush]

Okay ladies, I’m officially in this thread. I had my IUD out 1 week ago, got my positive OPK tonight, my 1 attempt tonight, and now we wait! I’ll keep testing to make sure I didn’t miss O day, but I’ll also be paying close attention to see if I feel ovulation cramping tomorrow. I have felt it when I was paying close attention with past attempts/pregnancies. Send me all your pink dust!!


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Yay! Good luck and pink dust headed your way!

[Jazmin]

Hi ladies.. I am around but been a bit quiet. I have been trying the past months but with negative results.

tested DH sperm count etc and everything came back normal. they have also tested if i ovulated, thyroid and everything was ok. asked us to just keep trying as they cant see anything.

moving on to another month.. I am just trying unlike before.. not so obsessed with pin pointing ovulation .. etc. feel a bit tired of all that [emoji853]



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[Kazzzz]

Hey I'm ttc too swaying girl i tried to pm you but it said for inbox is too full

[Kazzzz]

Atomic is this bread ok? Or maybe ok just once a week if not daily?

[Kazzzz]

Would only allow me to upload screenshots not pictures in my gallery or pictures in real time. Let me know if its readable. The bread is low gi and is 24% whole grains. I just had 2 slices for lunch each with tomatoe and salt an pepper made me feel normal for a minute lol this is my fav and i really got into it during my last pregnancy so i really miss it. I've lost a bit more weight over the last 2 weeks because my son has been waking like a newborn and breastfeeding through the night so no sleep an increased breastfeeding has delayed my o (still haved o'd yet) and its made me lose a bit more weight not alot just 700g but I'll know more when i weigh myself in 2 days if its a proper decrease in weight or just dipped for a bit.

[onelittlewish]

Heyyy there…just popping by to say hi! Had been too busy with kiddos going to school so havn’t been around so often. Cycle #13 and I am 5 dpo today, got my peak CD12 and BD CD9, 12 and 14. We were supposed to BD on CD13 but DH didn’t perform so had an attempt on CD14 instead. My temp did not shifted until CD16 so I probably O’ed late on CD15. Either way DH did us an favor and got the timing right and hopefully we have the fertile window covered! If we did not conceive this month then we will have our second sperm analysis and probably consider ivf if the result isnt ideal. Good luck ladies!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck!!!

[Kazzzz]

Atomic is the bread below ok? I added a picture of ingredients. Also is buckwheat ok? I don't think its a wheat so mite be an ok alternative to rice since I'm getting sick of brown rice?

[Jazmin]

onelittlewish.. good luck and fx for you. u swaying pink or blue?

my period due in 3 days and i am waiting.. cycle is same as usual .. no big difference


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[atomic sagebrush]

Atomic is the bread below ok? I added a picture of ingredients. Also is buckwheat ok? I don't think its a wheat so mite be an ok alternative to rice since I'm getting sick of brown rice?

I can't see the picture. Buckwheat is fine if it's whole grain still and not refined, white grains for your alternate PCOS type diet.

[Kazzzz]

Thanks heres the ingredients list just realised it has skim milk powder

Water, Wheat Flour, Mixed Grains (24%) (Wheat, Rye), Skim Milk Powder, Wheat Gluten, Iodised Salt, White Vinegar, Yeast.

[onelittlewish]

onelittlewish.. good luck and fx for you. u swaying pink or blue?

my period due in 3 days and i am waiting.. cycle is same as usual .. no big difference


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Hi Jazmin, I am swaying pink but I am have not been actively swaying in the past few months. Life was too busy I think I barely had the time to eat let alone pick what I eat and after a year on the diet & TTC I am at peace at whatever I get IF I can get pregnant at all. But with that being said, I think my current style is still pink friendly? I eat 3 meals but I do have long fast in between meals. I don't drink alcohol but I drink lots of coffee to keep me awake. I eat whatever I want but not so much meat. I don't exercise at all but I didn't gain weight too. This is the best I can do if I don't know how long this will drag on and I am actually ok if in the end I get blue.

I am 9DPO today feeling like usually, maybe abit sleepier than usual but that's probably from my hectic schedule. My temp is nice and high but last month it was nice and high until it plummetted on the morning when my AF arrived.

Fingers crossed for you too! How long have you been ttc?

[Kazzzz]

I can't see the picture. Buckwheat is fine if it's whole grain still and not refined, white grains for your alternate PCOS type diet.

Hey Atomic when you get a chance can you please check the ingredients list i posted below. Thanks

[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks heres the ingredients list just realised it has skim milk powder

Water, Wheat Flour, Mixed Grains (24%) (Wheat, Rye), Skim Milk Powder, Wheat Gluten, Iodised Salt, White Vinegar, Yeast.

It's fine. We can't control things to that level and shouldn't try.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey Atomic when you get a chance can you please check the ingredients list i posted below. Thanks

When you bump things too soon, it simply pops them back up to the top of my rotation and actually makes it take me longer to reply. Give me a few days to reply before bumping and you'll actually get a faster reply in most cases! :)

[Kazzzz]

Thanks atomic ok i know for next time.
I'm getting flashing smiley on digital again so ovulation should be coming soonish I'm cd40 completely skipped last ovulation and af so i will do my 1 attempt after i get my solid smiley. I'm just thinking i wish i was on clomid an myo-inositol for my sway but I'm sure pcos diet an exercise plus all the other things I'm doing 1 attempt and fasting etc are more important for a girl sway then myo an clomid right? I last took myo like 20 days ago and last took clomid like 30 days ago roughly. Just looking for reassurance. Thanks for everything

[Jazmin]

Hi Jazmin, I am swaying pink but I am have not been actively swaying in the past few months. Life was too busy I think I barely had the time to eat let alone pick what I eat and after a year on the diet & TTC I am at peace at whatever I get IF I can get pregnant at all. But with that being said, I think my current style is still pink friendly? I eat 3 meals but I do have long fast in between meals. I don't drink alcohol but I drink lots of coffee to keep me awake. I eat whatever I want but not so much meat. I don't exercise at all but I didn't gain weight too. This is the best I can do if I don't know how long this will drag on and I am actually ok if in the end I get blue.

I am 9DPO today feeling like usually, maybe abit sleepier than usual but that's probably from my hectic schedule. My temp is nice and high but last month it was nice and high until it plummetted on the morning when my AF arrived.

Fingers crossed for you too! How long have you been ttc?

Hi, praying AF doesn’t show and you get your BFP this cycle fx.

I couldn’t keep up with the diet and timing so I didn’t attempt some of the previous months. School was closed and just got very busy with kids .. being outside most of the time wasn’t helping.. now kids are back at school so I have more time to think back on sway.

I have been ttc for nearly 2 years now but we didn’t attempt every single month. i think overall I must have attempted 6 cycles . I have taken time off here and there to loose weight etc.
we tried last month .. but it was only one attempt .. we couldn’t attempt more than that .. so i was actually ok it AF showed up as I was worried about not doing more attempts... So now waiting to finish with AF and new cycle starts.

since kids are back to school.. and we are back to routine.. hoping we can focus more and attempt better.. [emoji1696]


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[atomic sagebrush]

Thanks atomic ok i know for next time.
I'm getting flashing smiley on digital again so ovulation should be coming soonish I'm cd40 completely skipped last ovulation and af so i will do my 1 attempt after i get my solid smiley. I'm just thinking i wish i was on clomid an myo-inositol for my sway but I'm sure pcos diet an exercise plus all the other things I'm doing 1 attempt and fasting etc are more important for a girl sway then myo an clomid right? I last took myo like 20 days ago and last took clomid like 30 days ago roughly. Just looking for reassurance. Thanks for everything

I don't want to quantify what is "more important" than anything else because without hardcore studies I can't say that for sure. What I do know is that you can't get a girl if you can't get pregnant, and there was no reason for you to take myoinositol and it may have been delaying or even preventing ovulation. And with Clomid, the effects last at least a month or two after stopping it so you should still be seeing the effects.

[Kazzzz]

Fantastic thanks so much. It's good to know the clomid is likely still in my sway, if no bfp this cycle I'll be taking it again so just gotta see what happens.

[Kazzzz]

Hey Atomic if my ovulation keeps delaying and my definitely not pregnant can i randomly do 5 days of clomid? I've read alot of women doing that to jump start ovulation it seems to work pretty well.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey Atomic if my ovulation keeps delaying and my definitely not pregnant can i randomly do 5 days of clomid? I've read alot of women doing that to jump start ovulation it seems to work pretty well.

No. I strongly advise against taking Clomid in a long cycle, without testing to see where you are in the cycle. What happens, and this happens a LOT, is that it's possible to take it when the eggs are already well underway, and if only you'd waited you'd have ovulated within a few days or 1-2 weeks. Then by taking the Clomid, you stop the egg development completely. This can have no effects, but it can also have the effect of messing up the lead egg that was going to be ovulated, and then you have to wait for another egg to develop to replace that first egg. Worse, in some cases this can actually cause the first egg to turn into a cyst, which will stop ovulation possibly for many weeks, even months and may even need medical treatment to resolve. And worst of all, if there was any chance you could have conceived earlier and just not realized it (which can happen even if you have a positive pregnancy test, since it takes 10-14 days to reliably get a positive on a pregnancy test) then you end up taking Clomid when pregnant. This causes miscarriage and birth defects. It is just not worth the risk of taking Clomid if you have not had a blood test, ultrasound, or ideally both to tell you where you are in the cycle.

(and if anyone reads this, whose doctor suggests that they take Clomid in a long cycle without testing, do not take the Clomid, and get a new doctor. Too many doctors don't seem to mind gambling with people's fertility with an "eh it will probably be ok" attitude.)

[Kazzzz]

Ok i wont take it. I had my bloods done 6 days ago and i think I'm mid cycle my fsh was 5.9 and my lh was 9.3 is that mid cycle? I wonder were i am now any closer to o now its 6 days later. Still no pos opk but my tests got alot darker last night but back to light again today and my temp is still low cd43 today. Bit more info i had a low fertility blank smiley/empty circle on digital on Monday morning right before my blood was taken then the next morning got a flashing smiley/high fertility so i guess that would mean nearly mid cycle? I'm now on day 5 of flashing smileys/high fertility starting to think I'll never ovulate. Should i go back for more blood tests or is it not necessary? Just got to wait it out. I cheated on diet yesterday and today like cant control myself craving sugar i think i get like this before ovulation because my body is screaming out to me for more cals to fuel ovulation.

[Kazzzz]

Also atomic I'm getting so disheartened from taking negative opk after negative opk it makes me feel like completely giving up. What can i do to help my body ovulate and prevent myself from giving up. I want to conceive now. 8 months since i started heavily dieting but only 6 months of actual girl swaying diet. I'm completely over it just want to conceive. Getting weeks of neg opks has taken a toll on me. I should have just done my attempt at my first postpartum ovulation now I'm so disappointed i didn't cause who knows when I'll ever ovulate again and its getting me down. Like i said I've cheated with sweet stuff yesterday and today and still getting neg opks makes me feel like whats the point doing any of this if I'm not even ovulating

[atomic sagebrush]

Then stop taking OPK and have sex every 4 days in either the 72 hour or 96 hour pattern (does not need to be those hours, that is just how you count the days). But I suspect if you've been getting flashy smileys for five days, the odds are fair you'll ovulate within the next week. This is not a guarantee, and it can be that you will just go back to fully negative tests, but at least your body is "thinking about" ovulating, even if it doesn't think the time is quite right in the here and now.

You will ovulate again when your body feels it's a safe time to conceive. This is how your body keeps you from getting pregnant if there isn't enough food available, it's like a natural birth control that your body uses if it feels like you shouldn't be getting pregnant right then. You need to convince your body that everything is ok, that you are able to take care of your nursing baby and a new pregnancy. If you recall, it's super important when breastfeeding to be sure you're getting enough calories and fat (and also protein, but that's rarely the cause of someone stopping ovulating) so my suggestion is eating more both in terms of food overall, and also fat. I remember you tend to be more restrictive than I would like, so if you've not been hitting 2000 calories and 60 g fat, please start doing that from here on in. A little sugar is not the end of the world so don't worry about that.

There is a wide range of normal for FSH and LH. Ideally we'd want to know estrogen and progesterone levels to know where you are in the cycle. I strongly urge you to just wait for your period to start Clomid. You can still try this month, when you ovulate, just without the Clomid in the mix.

If you ever sway again, this is why it's probably best not to start dieting too far in advance - eventually you do burn out on it (be it physically or mentally, or both) and if you haven't conceived, it can be really frustrating to see those negative OPK because you're so desperate to get off the diet.

[Kazzzz]

Thanks so much atomic,
So the 96hr is bd then skip 3 nights then bd again right? Maybe i should just do that.
Thanks for your help i really appreciate it and yes if i ever swayed again I'd be a pro by then lol i just wanted to get healthy at the beginning of the year and when i started thinking about swaying i realised well my new diet is super low fat sugar an cals no takeaways or baked goods etc so no better time to start swaying i though i had a head start. Now thinking i should of waited till af returned first.

I tell myself sugar sometimes is fine i don't have pcos or ir so try not to worry about these cheats an they help me mentally its like magic instant feel good.

[Kazzzz]

Hey is folate ok on a girl sway diet? I read online it can help regulate ovulation or is there anything i can take to jump start ovulation? Cd45 no ovulation in sight but I'm happy to wait till the end of this month before starting something. There 0 chances that I'm pregnant last attempt was 18days ago and used a 10 sensitive hcg yesterday it was negative. The fact that I'm still getting flashing smiley digital opk is the only tiny bit of hope I'm holding onto but my lh level has been the same over the last 3 days as I've been keeping my opk cheapie sticks to compare each day.

[Kazzzz]

It's fine. We can't control things to that level and shouldn't try.

Also sorry me again did you mean this bread is fine or things with skim milk powder added is fine?

[atomic sagebrush]

Also sorry me again did you mean this bread is fine or things with skim milk powder added is fine?

I am saying that you cannot control everything, and if you find a whole grain bread you like and it has skim milk powder you shouldn't throw it away for that reason alone. I do still want you to avoid skim dairy when you can, but if you like that bread, it is fine to continue with it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey is folate ok on a girl sway diet? I read online it can help regulate ovulation or is there anything i can take to jump start ovulation? Cd45 no ovulation in sight but I'm happy to wait till the end of this month before starting something. There 0 chances that I'm pregnant last attempt was 18days ago and used a 10 sensitive hcg yesterday it was negative. The fact that I'm still getting flashing smiley digital opk is the only tiny bit of hope I'm holding onto but my lh level has been the same over the last 3 days as I've been keeping my opk cheapie sticks to compare each day.

Well first of all, of course folate is ok on a girl diet, I have all you guys taking either folate or folic acid and if you're not taking it, you should be.

Of course, if there was some magical pill that could jump start ovulation I would have already mentioned that to you. I am not overlooking anything, withholding any secret information, or waiting for you to ask the perfectly worded question in which I finally reveal something that can help you.

What you need to do is eat enough and have patience (possibly nurse less, but you don't NEED to do that, all you need to do is wait long enough and your cycle will return even with nursing) and your cycle will resume when your body feels like it is a good time to possibly conceive. That's it. I know it's boring, and lame, and it's no fun to wait, and the whole entire culture we live in is all about having things now now now, but that's the only thing that works.

All the stuff people say to do online to "kickstart ovulation" - none of it works, and MUCH of it, if not MOST of it, can actually delay ovulation even more so, for the same reasons that the Clomid should not be just randomly started without knowing where you are in the cycle. Because it can mess with your hormones and make it take longer. Additionally, things that are anti-inflammatory (which, many herbal supplements fall into this category) can actually PREVENT ovulation from happening or properly happening just the same as taking aspirin and ibuprofen right at ovulation can.

Nothing short of an HCG shot given ONLY at the appropriate time makes the egg be released. And an HCG shot has to be perfectly timed or else your body wouldn't release the egg or it might be released but is unfertilize-able. Plus, your tubes and uterus must be at the right stage of the cycle to receive that egg. You can't just fling an egg into your belly like, IDK, whenevs to get pregnant. It simply doesn't work that way.

Releasing a completely mature, fertilizable egg that can successfully implant and develop into a healthy pregnancy involves a lot of very finely tuned, hormonal and biological processes that have to be perfectly timed and in a particular order. Your body knows what it is doing, so my advice is to not mess with that process and wait till the time is right, and your body will release the egg at that stage.

One last thing - you cannot tell what your LH level is based on your OPK sticks. I know there are the apps that claim you can, and give you some number, but that is all nonsense because the darkness of your tests correlates NOT to the level in your blood but the level in your urine and that varies dramatically (even using FMU) and tells you nothing about your blood levels.

[Kazzzz]

I'm not to worried about the skim milk powder just that its probably more white then brown? Since its only 24% mixed grains. If that's fine by you then thats great i love this bread its a kiwi favourite

[Kazzzz]

Ok thank you very informative, yes i agree it will just take time i will try to chill out lol

[Kazzzz]

Hey just so i know I'm ok in carbs since I'm not eating alot of meat because i was vegetarian before starting the sway. Is 150-180 carbs a day ok I just worked it out roughly for the day minus fiber. Thats a pretty carby day for me just guessing from the things i normally eat. Just wanted to make sure I'm not going to carby without meat. I know you've said stick to the limits and carbs will take care of themselves but you also said the risk of just going vegetarian is going to carby or did you say just going vegetarian and not counting? Sorry just trying to remember what you said. Thanks heaps

[Amlewis2257]

Hi ladies! Anyone else in their TWW? I seem to be 3 DPO, ovulated a lot earlier than expected, hoping for a pink sticky baby! More nervous than my son surprisingly…. Going to feel like the longest two weeks!


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[9jamama01]

Hello AmLewis, the 2WW is usually the most intense time during ttc no matter how long you've been trying. I'm currently 9dpo and it's my 18th month TTC. I still find myself worrying over every little cramp or headache, wondering if this would be my lucky month. [emoji1787]

I've been having slight chills all morning and I feel tired (but that could be because I had an intense 20 mins Workout).

Good luck to you this month, wishing you a bfp. Sending you lots of pink dust [emoji4]

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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm not to worried about the skim milk powder just that its probably more white then brown? Since its only 24% mixed grains. If that's fine by you then thats great i love this bread its a kiwi favourite

It's fine as a part of your overall diet. You're eating quite well otherwise so since this works well for you I'd just keep going with it

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey just so i know I'm ok in carbs since I'm not eating alot of meat because i was vegetarian before starting the sway. Is 150-180 carbs a day ok I just worked it out roughly for the day minus fiber. Thats a pretty carby day for me just guessing from the things i normally eat. Just wanted to make sure I'm not going to carby without meat. I know you've said stick to the limits and carbs will take care of themselves but you also said the risk of just going vegetarian is going to carby or did you say just going vegetarian and not counting? Sorry just trying to remember what you said. Thanks heaps

Yep, that's par for the course on the LE Diet, even on the alt. diet that's about what people get. Keep in mind that most people are eating more like 300-400 g carbs!

[Kazzzz]

Woohoo back up Atomic that must be a big relief!!!!
I think i definitely have ovulated but I'm not sure if I'm in with a chance or not I'll share with you my chart. So the confusion is did I ovulate cd60, cd61, cd62 or cd63 lol i had a little temp rise on cd61 so I'm hoping fertility friend is right by putting o at cd60 but then i had an even bigger better temp rise on cd64 an that is my normal post o temp range but all my symptoms had stopped cd60 so at cd63 I had no ewcm my cervix was closed hard an cramps had been long gone. So is it more likely I ovulated with a small temp rise and all fertile signs or a few days later without any fertile signs but a better bigger temp rise which is my normal temp rise range from before I had my last because I tracked alot swaying with him to pinpoint o. The huge temp spike was me sick for a day.

43715

[Kazzzz]

Here's my whole crazy cycle 43716

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it's great to be up and running again and we're all very appreciative!

I do think you ovulated, but I can't say for sure what day. It's just not possible to tell for sure. If you end up getting AF, you can count back 12-14 days beforehand and if it coincides with the crosshairs, but sometimes you'll have short LP and that's not always perfectly reliable.

[atomic sagebrush]

Here's my whole crazy cycle 43716

Yes this is the exact reason why temps alone can't be relied on, sometimes it looks like there's a dip and rise but then it doesn't culminate in ovulation! Only when temps stay high for 3 days + has O likely occurred.

[Jazmin]

Hi. anyone attempting next month ..


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[9jamama01]

Hi Jazmin, how have you been? How's your sway going. I should be attempting next month as well.

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[atomic sagebrush]

I'm hoping for a lucky October/November! We always have a lot of conceptions this time of year!!

[Jazmin]

Jamama.. I am doing well. thank you. my routine was little messed during the summer holidays.. now back on track and planning to attempt in Nov.. AF is close.. hows everything going with you?
when is your next fertile week?

Atomic.. [emoji1696] yes. really hoping for BFP..feeling positive.


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[treens]

I will be attempting next month :)

[onelittlewish]

Attempting in a few days...:luck:

Hope you are doing well Jazmin & 9jamama!

Just read about your loss Treens, so sorry to hear that! Praying for a sticky little miracle!

[treens]

Thank you! Wishing you and everyone else the best for their sticky healthy babies :)

[Jazmin]

thanks you.. same for all.



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[Kazzzz]

Yep me I'm attempting in Nov again after Oct was my first attempt an lead to af Sept my ovulation didn't show up so really hoping Nov is my month I've had a good feeling about Nov since I started dieting in Feb. I'm waiting for my pos opk cd17 today so it's a little late, I'm on clomid so fingers crossed it's just a few days away. Good luck everyone.

[Kazzzz]

Attempting in a few days...:luck:

Hope you are doing well Jazmin & 9jamama!

Just read about your loss Treens, so sorry to hear that! Praying for a sticky little miracle!

Hey onelittlewish are you still taking clomid for your sway? I'm taking clomid and my last clomid cycle was 63 days long and this cycle again with clomid is looking late I'm cd17 today. I'm also 20 months postpartum an still breastfeeding a little bit so hard to say why my cycles are so long, hoping clomid makes me ovulate this time. Have you noticed ovulation being altered with clomid?

[atomic sagebrush]

Hey onelittlewish are you still taking clomid for your sway? I'm taking clomid and my last clomid cycle was 63 days long and this cycle again with clomid is looking late I'm cd17 today. I'm also 20 months postpartum an still breastfeeding a little bit so hard to say why my cycles are so long, hoping clomid makes me ovulate this time. Have you noticed ovulation being altered with clomid?

Clomid can change people's ovulation, but in most cases it makes people ovulate in a fairly reasonable timeline (CD 14-21, less commonly up to CD 35).

If you are too restrictive on diet, your ovulation can be altered with Clomid. I think that's what happened with you in that one month, because you had gotten too restrictive on diet.

[Kazzzz]

Yes your probably right atomic. This cycle I've had more cheats and I'm overall a be more slack on diet. I'm still putting effort in and I'm still swaying an dieting for the most part but just much more loosely. I hope this typa thing doesn't tip me into more of a 50/50 but I personally don't think so I think my lifestyle is still so opposite to my natural one. Just gotta hang in there a bit longer and try my hardest to be good on the diet. Last 3 days have been bad all had some sugar but still less then I normally would. Been going so long now and with irregular/long cycles it makes you lose your drive to keep going everyday like less sticking to the diet power. I've just gotta get back on track. Cd18 now so hopefully I'll ovulate before or on cd21

[Jazmin]

kazz..good luck dear.

AF arrived for me..

this cycle was short for me. only 25 days. usuallyI get 28-29 days. Hopefully I can pin point my ovulation this cycle. I haven’t ttc for few months now for different reasons and this is my first month after a break.

hoping it works for all of us this time. [emoji1696]


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[onelittlewish]

Hi Kazzzz,

No I am not taking Clomid anymore, I have used up my 6 months of quota at the beginning of my sway and I want to get pregnant asap so I don't want to mess up my natural cycle too. I used clomid for 4 months, rested 2 months and then took 2 months. My ovulation was spot on time with clomid. I take clomid from CD3-7 and my ovulation occured either on CD14 or CD15, apart from the month when I cut sugar and my weight dropped drastically. That month I ovulated on CD18 which was abit later than normal but not out of the norm.

3DPO for me, I hope this is my lucky month...

[atomic sagebrush]

Thank you OLW! People's experience is always so much more reassuring than anything I say.

[Kazzzz]

Good luck for this new cycle Jazmin and onelittlewish I hope you get your bfp very soon fingers crossed. I believe ovulation was today cd21 got a very very positive opk stick yesterday early morning an also digital positive. Today I had cramps all morning till early afternoon hoping my temp goes up tomorrow. Our 1 attempt was yesterday midday so like 6hrs after my pos. Feeling good about this timing should give me a good chance. Don't feel good about all the cheating gosh i lose control around ovulation and eat like there's no tomorrow, I'm starting to think this is actually necessary for me to actually ovulate like my body is screaming for the extra energy needed just to ovulate. Here's to our tww onelittlewish let's keep each other updated. When will you test? I was thinking 9dpo if I can wait lol i got my first vvfl last pregnancy at 7dpo fmu so super early and ovulation was extremely clear when it took place pos opk temp dip followed by temp spike that stayed up so must have implanted early

[onelittlewish]

We are going abroad next week for a family trip and back on my 14DPO which will be my due date for AF. I think I will hold and wait till AF this time. I got super early line for my last pregnancy too, with all the pos OPK, temp dip and higher temp etc. But over the last year+ of TTC I got all "pregnancy" signs only without the positive pregnancy test. I even had temps that stayed higher than normal on the day of my AF but AF still showed up right on time. So I guess it can go either way! Keep me updated and best luck!!!

[atomic sagebrush]

While you're of course always free to do what you want, I like you guys to wait longer than that. 10 days after O at the absolute earliest and I prefer more like 12. That way you don't make yourself upset for no reason if you get a BFN from testing too soon.

Please understand that a) what happens in the past doesn't mean that will happen in the future, because you get a positive pregnancy test based on how much HCG just happened to be in your system at the time you conceived - anywhere from 0-5 for a non-pregnant readinig. HCG doubles over time, so if you start out with 0 HCG in your system, your pregnancy tests will stay negative far longer than someone who started out with an HCG level of 5. Your HCG levels change with every conception, meaning that the day you got a positive test in one pregnancy won't hold true with your other pregnancies. And 2) unless you had an ultrasound to pinpoint ovulation, it is always possible you ovulated sooner or later than you thought you did, and that pregnancy test you were sure you had gotten on CD 7 was actually on CD 8, 9, 10 or even beyond. This can happen in THIS conception even if it didn't happen the last time - so it's just as possible to O later than you think, end up upset with a BFN, only to find out you were pregnant and it just hadn't registered yet.

Long story short, don't test too early for your own peace of mind.

I turned this into a longer article with more info in it here: https://atomicsagebrush.substack.com/p/when-should-i-test-for-pregnancy

[Kazzzz]

Yeah i know every pregnancy is different my other two I got vfl 9 or 10dpo an the other i waited till 2 days late. I do believe I was 7dpo last pregnancy though because all my pre o temps were low then dip then high it was a very clear chart plus positive opk 2 days before o. Temp dip day of o then temp rise day after we bded on temp dip day/o day so I was thinking maybe the egg was already out when we caught it so maybe why we got an early line. Anyway who knows maybe temp rises 2 days after o. I was just thinking about how I should wait to test because cycle before last I got a faulty test or evap line what ever it was it had me thinking it was the start of my bfp which was a big let down at 9dpo so I'll try wait as long as possible. Just need to distract myself for 2wks lol

[Kazzzz]

Also temp was up today so fingers crossed but it does look like we did out attempt the day before ovulation.

[Kazzzz]

We are going abroad next week for a family trip and back on my 14DPO which will be my due date for AF. I think I will hold and wait till AF this time. I got super early line for my last pregnancy too, with all the pos OPK, temp dip and higher temp etc. But over the last year+ of TTC I got all "pregnancy" signs only without the positive pregnancy test. I even had temps that stayed higher than normal on the day of my AF but AF still showed up right on time. So I guess it can go either way! Keep me updated and best luck!!!

Nice distraction!! My temp went up so I believe I'm 1dpo.i tried to message you though private message to stay in touch but it didn't send I don't think

[atomic sagebrush]

The reason why we wait till three days of high is that we have to see a pattern that long before we can determine O has OCCURRED, and not necessarily the day it happened. People get one or even two days of screwy temps, either falsely low or falsely high, that can mislead them as to what day they ovulated. Natural family planning has never been meant as a way to determine with 100% certainty the day you ovulate, it's meant to let you know that you have or have not ovulated. Even highly trained experts were unable to pin down the day of ovulation any better than one out of three days.

The egg is always out when it is caught. Sperm cannot reach the egg in the ovary.

You're always welcome to believe whatever you want. It is possible to get a faint line 7 DPO. I do not encourage ANY of my clients to test that early because it causes a lot of people to be upset. So when someone states that they got a positive test that early, it's my job to be the party pooper who tells everyone that they shouldn't test that soon.

[atomic sagebrush]

Nice distraction!! My temp went up so I believe I'm 1dpo.i tried to message you though private message to stay in touch but it didn't send I don't think

There's something going on with the private messages right now. They don't seem to go through, but then they do. So you won't see that they've sent and will get an error message, but the recipients DO appear to receive them.

[Jazmin]

thank you kazz. good luck with 2ww.. its longest.. [emoji24] isnt?

we started our attempt just after AF but waiting to see positive ovulation. today is only cd8.
OLW- good luck and have a nice break. i am not when I will be ovulating usually its around CD 15/16 but i feel it could be earlier this cycle


atomic - my period length has reduced .. i used ti have 6/7 days with last 2/3 days with reduced spotting.. but I see everything stopped by 4/5 days.. is that a good thing or bad thing when ttc for a boy ? or it doesn’t matter?


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[atomic sagebrush]

It's normal to see changes in cycle when swaying and as a general rule we take it as a good sign. While we have seen a trend where pink swayers are having shorter lighter periods, we have also seen a trend where blue swayers who have heavy and long periods see their periods get shorter TOO (my guess is because with improved nourishment, the length of time their blood flows shortens up - inadequate protein intake and low iron and B vitamins can all cause excess bleeding.) We often have blue swayers go from 10-14 day periods + spotting to 5 day periods, that's very very common.

FWIW, I always had 3-4 day periods when I got my boys.

[LMSM]

There's something going on with the private messages right now. They don't seem to go through, but then they do. So you won't see that they've sent and will get an error message, but the recipients DO appear to receive them.

Oh that's good to know - I don't want to resend and the recipient get like a gazillion messages from me LOL thanks!

[Kazzzz]

3dpo as of today 3rd high temp got cross hairs on my fertility friend app. To be honest I really hope I get my bfp this cycle because if not I'm gonna have to really sway hard for next cycle because I've been cheating more lately, after nearly 10 months of dieting 2 months healthy eating then nearly 8 months of girl swaying diet i don't have the power I use to so I'm getting slack which terrifies me

[atomic sagebrush]

No no no Kazz - remember, being too strict on diet is what caused your cycle to get wacky anyway. If you feel you're eating too much that's fine, then just be more reasonable moving forward but you DO NOT need to sway extra hard, you do NOT need to make up on diet, just let the past go and move forward. I personally think you need more calories than you were getting and that's why you had delayed O. Don't make the same mistake again, it's not at all necessary.

[Kazzzz]

No no no Kazz - remember, being too strict on diet is what caused your cycle to get wacky anyway. If you feel you're eating too much that's fine, then just be more reasonable moving forward but you DO NOT need to sway extra hard, you do NOT need to make up on diet, just let the past go and move forward. I personally think you need more calories than you were getting and that's why you had delayed O. Don't make the same mistake again, it's not at all necessary.

OK that's good to know, I just feel like I've had some bad days still not my pre sway days but still increased fat sugar an cals but I'll just continue on like you say. I don't know why I've lost my will power or maybe it will come back and I'll stay within limits and avoid sugar again. I just really hope I get my bfp this time so I don't have to worry about my recent cheats

[atomic sagebrush]

We've all found, on diets, that over time our willpower wanes. That's why I have been so (annoyingly) emphatic with not only you but everyone to not cut back too far, so you end up delaying or even temporarily stopping ovulation and making it take much longer to conceive. I don't say these things to be irritating, it's because it really does matter. So please please please please please don't now tell yourself that you need to be super strict. You're just going to end up back at square one. You need to just stay the course, eating more than you were, and if a little sugar sneaks in now and then in order for you to continue being ok on diet most of the time, that's just fine.

[Kazzzz]

We've all found, on diets, that over time our willpower wanes. That's why I have been so (annoyingly) emphatic with not only you but everyone to not cut back too far, so you end up delaying or even temporarily stopping ovulation and making it take much longer to conceive. I don't say these things to be irritating, it's because it really does matter. So please please please please please don't now tell yourself that you need to be super strict. You're just going to end up back at square one. You need to just stay the course, eating more than you were, and if a little sugar sneaks in now and then in order for you to continue being ok on diet most of the time, that's just fine.

I'm just not convinced diet gave me delayed ovulation since these have been my first few cycles back postpartum they can take a couple cycles to get back to being regular. I think my cycles will be more regular moving forward if I have another one that is because I've already had 2 periods postpartum now but really hoping I get no more lol. I won't get super strict i promise. Thanks for the support you give us all

[atomic sagebrush]

I understand that you think that, but I have talked to gobs and gobs of people who were breastfeeding and your cycle was not in the pattern we tend to see with breastfeeding. I can all but 100% say your cycle was disrupted because you were dieting too strictly because I know the pattern it happened in, and that pattern is in line with people who have dieted too strictly and taking supplements they don't necessarily need, like the myoinositol. I am not trying to second guess your opinion, but am trying to help you and I don't want to see you back at square one by overthinking the strictness you need to be approaching your diet. Diet has a cumulative effect over time and it does catch up to people, when their stores are depleted, and then you simply have to relax somewhat or the same problem will continue happening over and over again.

[Kazzzz]

My af hadn't returned before I started sway dieting and it returned while sway dieting. I think things will be fine now anyway because I'm not breastfeeding much at all now.

[atomic sagebrush]

I know that you think that, and I know that nothing I say will convince you otherwise. But based on many many many many many other people's experiences, including me having read all your posts and replied to them, the disruption you saw in your cycle was 100% based in the diet and not breastfeeding. Your cycle hadn't resumed to start with because it hadn't been long enough postpartum (this varies after each pregnancy) so the fact that your cycle hadn't come back prior to when you started the sway diet means absolutely nothing.

You are absolutely free to do and believe whatever you want, but it is time to stop arguing with me about this. You aren't going to convince me. I have been here every step of the way with you and I know what I saw happen. Again, believe what you want, and do what you want, but do not argue with me any more on this because it is sure coming off to me like you're trying to convince people not to listen to me, which I very much do not appreciate since it does nothing but hurts other people's sways and causes me a massive amount of time expenditure that I do not need to be making.

The truth is that I have to look out for all the people who are currently reading this thread who will (for reasons that I don't really understand) will now take your word as gospel truth and my word as BS, and proceed to do the exact same thing you have just done and put themselves through the stress that you have just experienced, for no reason because all you guys need to do to prevent this from happening is simply eat enough food when you're breastfeeding. It doesn't hurt your sway to eat enough, in fact it's imperative when you're breastfeeding as it's easier to lose ovulation when nursing. What DOES hurt your sway is cutting back too far then having to relax massively - while everyone who is in this boat DOES absolutely need to eat more, it's still best if you don't cut back too far to start with.

You guys, I am begging you to just eat enough, especially when breastfeeding. It is a HUGE reason why people get opposites, is that they cut back too far and mess up ovulation and then have to basically sway blue to get their cycle going again. I am trying to help you here, to help you to have healthy sways and to get pregnant fast without the stress and fear involved in having a delayed or stopped ovulation. I don't want anyone to have to wean in order to get pregnant because it just isn't necessary if you all would just EAT ENOUGH. Everyone believes it won't happen to them, but it DOES happen, it happens constantly, it's one of the biggest problems we face on this site if not THE biggest problem, and please listen to ME rather than to anyone else.

[Kazzzz]

I wasn't meaning it as an argument it mite come across that way in text but I was just clarifying that I hadn't had my cycle return before swaying, I thought you mite I've thought I had got my cycle back before swaying an then swaying to hard and. reducing food to much then stopped my af. I believe my low food intake while breastfeeding could of been the problem in trying to get my cycle back. I'm not reducing or going back to what I was doing before that was because I wasn't counting an once i started counting i realised I was way under what your recommendations are but I wasn't swaying then I was just eating healthy so when I switched I had to start pushing fat pro cals all up and then did get my cycle back somewhere in there so eating more helped. I want people to follow your advice. There's woman right now swaying on here that would say I back you too much lol but i believe in your knowledge an time spent on all this swaying stuff if i didn't i wouldn't of come back for another go after failing my last sway. I believe i can and will get my girl with your help and for that I'm very grateful.

Stick to the limits everyone because you don't want to like atomic said go to low then stop ovulation an you have to go into boy territory just to ovulate again. I completely agree i just happened to also be postpartum an breastfeeding so wasn't sure but I'm sure you know because you've seen it. I've never breastfed this long so have never experienced this.

On another note my doctor prescribed me promethazine for anxiety an sleep is that ok to take while girl swaying?

[treens]

Hi all!
I am in the 2ww anyone else? I never did get a positive lines this month and didn't have much ewcm.

We did it CD 9,13,14 I normally have a 27-29 day cycle but im not sure this month, this is my first after our loss.

I really am unsure about this cycle but we will see :) I am now CD18. I wont test until we are late.

Wishing you all the best of luck!

[atomic sagebrush]

Edited to add: Anyone reading this thread in the future who finds my reply here to be bizarre, over the top, or extreme, I refer you to a small sliver of the backstory here: https://www.genderdreaming.com/forum/trying-to-conceive-a-girl/82308-girl-sway-again-time-doing-alternate-diet-plus-more.html

For whatever reason, Kazzz, probably because I have no life outside of gender swaying and scrubbing toilets, I can often remember people's posts better than they can themselves. I also take copious notes as I work with people - even in the free forums - so I can keep everyone straight. I'm not infallible but yes, I did actually remember the timeline for your sway and what happened when.

Please stop arguing with me about this. All you're doing is undermining your own sway. I am not going to change my mind about why your cycle was delayed, because I've seen the exact same thing happen to gobs of other people. People who were, in fact, in the exact same situation as you, their cycle had not returned for a while just because of breastfeeding and then it came back and once they started swaying, it went away again.
Matter of fact, I am one of those people, between my 3rd and 4th boy, my cycle came back and then went away, so this is something that I've been tracking for fourteen years and thousands of sways. Many people don't have their cycles come back for a while with nursing even when not doing a sway diet, and those people are absolutely, totally, completely more likely to then see their cycle disrupted again once they start swaying. All these things - diet, exercise, supplements, breastfeeding, your overall weight, and several other things besides work in concert together and so the more of them you do, the more likely your cycle is to get messed up. It is absolutely the case that someone who isn't seeing their cycle come back from breastfeeding when not dieting will be more likely to see disruptions with a sway diet + breastfeeding because they've already got something working against them.

Again, you're welcome to have your opinion, this back and forth needs to stop now. NOW. For the sake of all the people reading this, for your sake so your sway succeeds, and for my sake because I simply don't deserve this business of going over the same thing again and again. I understand you have anxiety and I know it sucks, but I have given you my answer and it's not changing. Any more replies on this matter will be deleted because there is no more thorough of an answer I can give you. I completely know what is going on and have a different opinion than you do. End of story.

Now, if there are these women on here, who think I'm just so full of crap all the time and yet still keep hanging out here, I would suggest they come out of the woodwork. I'm tired of having hints dropped about these mysterious women who seem to be happily using my time and effort and nuthinbutpink's financial and time investment to create this site to begin with, helping the vast majority of people entirely for free, only to be going around badmouthing it all, and lying about our success rates when they're higher than ever.

Anyone?? Anyone??? If you're out there, I'd love to hear from you. Happy to answer all your questions, a lot more politely than I'm being right now, to direct you towards our stats, happy to provide you with names of actual people you can really talk to about whether their sway worked or not. I'm even willing to discuss these things with you privately (email me at atomicsagebrush@gmail.com) if you don't want to do it in public. HOWEVER, I don't want to be getting any more references - either here on the forums or by email, to people talking smack about me. That's part of being online unfortunately and I honestly don't care, but it's not going to make me change my mind any to be told that. No one, no matter how thick of skin they have, likes to hear about people talking about them behind their backs, and so since it won't accomplish making me change my mind, I don't want to hear about it.

Yes, the promethazine is ok for your sway because it's an antihistamine,but it isn't ok in pregnancy. Be sure you are not having both the promethazine and alcohol as they have aa strong interaction together. It seemed to be a bit of a gray area for TTC - did your doc know that you are actively trying right now? And for breastfeeding, it's probably ok but just keep an eye on your baby to make sure he's not being made drowsy from it - and again, do NOT NOT NOT mix it with alcohol.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hi all!
I am in the 2ww anyone else? I never did get a positive lines this month and didn't have much ewcm.

We did it CD 9,13,14 I normally have a 27-29 day cycle but im not sure this month, this is my first after our loss.

I really am unsure about this cycle but we will see :) I am now CD18. I wont test until we are late.

Wishing you all the best of luck!

Treens, just be sure to keep an eye out in case you ovulate later than you expect!! It is very possible, the cycle after a loss, to have a delayed ovulation. You may not have had much EWCM and no double lines because you haven't ovulated yet! So I would definitely be on the lookout and even consider going to e4d so you don 't miss the month if O is late!

I love your positivity! So much appreciated, FXFXFX for BFP this month!

[Kazzzz]

For whatever reason, Kazzz, probably because I have no life outside of gender swaying and scrubbing toilets, I can often remember people's posts better than they can themselves. I also take copious notes as I work with people - even in the free forums - so I can keep everyone straight. I'm not infallible but yes, I did actually remember the timeline for your sway and what happened when.

Please stop arguing with me about this. All you're doing is undermining your own sway. I am not going to change my mind about why your cycle was delayed, because I've seen the exact same thing happen to gobs of other people. People who were, in fact, in the exact same situation as you, their cycle had not returned for a while just because of breastfeeding and then it came back and once they started swaying, it went away again.
Matter of fact, I am one of those people, between my 3rd and 4th boy, my cycle came back and then went away, so this is something that I've been tracking for fourteen years and thousands of sways. Many people don't have their cycles come back for a while with nursing even when not doing a sway diet, and those people are absolutely, totally, completely more likely to then see their cycle disrupted again once they start swaying. All these things - diet, exercise, supplements, breastfeeding, your overall weight, and several other things besides work in concert together and so the more of them you do, the more likely your cycle is to get messed up. It is absolutely the case that someone who isn't seeing their cycle come back from breastfeeding when not dieting will be more likely to see disruptions with a sway diet + breastfeeding because they've already got something working against them.

Again, you're welcome to have your opinion, this back and forth needs to stop now. NOW. For the sake of all the people reading this, for your sake so your sway succeeds, and for my sake because I simply don't deserve this business of going over the same thing again and again. I understand you have anxiety and I know it sucks, but I have given you my answer and it's not changing. Any more replies on this matter will be deleted because there is no more thorough of an answer I can give you. I completely know what is going on and have a different opinion than you do. End of story.

Now, if there are these women on here, who think I'm just so full of crap all the time and yet still keep hanging out here, I would suggest they come out of the woodwork. I'm tired of having hints dropped about these mysterious women who seem to be happily using my time and effort and nuthinbutpink's financial and time investment to create this site to begin with, helping the vast majority of people entirely for free, only to be going around badmouthing it all, and lying about our success rates when they're higher than ever.

Anyone?? Anyone??? If you're out there, I'd love to hear from you. Happy to answer all your questions, a lot more politely than I'm being right now, to direct you towards our stats, happy to provide you with names of actual people you can really talk to about whether their sway worked or not. I'm even willing to discuss these things with you privately (email me at atomicsagebrush@gmail.com) if you don't want to do it in public. HOWEVER, I don't want to be getting any more references - either here on the forums or by email, to people talking smack about me. That's part of being online unfortunately and I honestly don't care, but it's not going to make me change my mind any to be told that. No one, no matter how thick of skin they have, likes to hear about people talking about them behind their backs, and so since it won't accomplish making me change my mind, I don't want to hear about it.

Yes, the promethazine is ok for your sway because it's an antihistamine,but it isn't ok in pregnancy. Be sure you are not having both the promethazine and alcohol as they have aa strong interaction together. It seemed to be a bit of a gray area for TTC - did your doc know that you are actively trying right now? And for breastfeeding, it's probably ok but just keep an eye on your baby to make sure he's not being made drowsy from it - and again, do NOT NOT NOT mix it with alcohol.

Too much added stress for me. I'm only telling you the truth I believe in you and some don't as much as I do and also I'm agreeing with you on the swaying an cycle stuff. This wasn't an to me isn't an argument all a bit shocking. What more do you want from me. I believe you.

Good luck treens and everyone else swaying, I'm gonna take a break swaying for 8 months has taken a toll on my mental wellbeing more then I've ever experienced in my life.

[treens]

Good morning!

We did an extra attempt last night jus in case :)) Thank you for your advice atomic, I really appreciate it!

Kazzz best of luck to you! I think a break would be a good idea. Sometimes the best things happen when you are not planning.

[Kazzzz]

Good morning!

We did an extra attempt last night jus in case :)) Thank you for your advice atomic, I really appreciate it!

Kazzz best of luck to you! I think a break would be a good idea. Sometimes the best things happen when you are not planning.

Thanks thats what I'm feeling too treens so thank you for that advice/confirmation.

[Jazmin]

thank you atomic.

treens - I am in 2ww. i am thinking i ovulated on cd15 . today cd21. I am trying not to watch any symptoms and will wait until AF due to do any test. dpo 6 only if i did ovulate on cd15 .
when is ur AF due date?

DH had busy week at work and he had to do overtime works so i was a bit worried if that will impact sperm quality.. sway etc as he looked a bit stressed. we attempted anyway.. as we couldn’t try for the past few months .. we thought not to delay anymore.


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[atomic sagebrush]

Good luck!!! Don't worry about his sperm quality, focus on that which is in your control!

[Jazmin]

thank you. hoping this is our month.


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[treens]

Hi jazmine! So nice to have someone here! I am due for AF November 28 when is yours?

I hope this month is your month!

[Jazmin]

thank u treens.

mines also due on 28th.. lol have you tested? am waiting for AF date


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[Kazzzz]

Hey Jazmin I replied to your pm. Did you get af yet or bfp? Fingers crossed af hasn't come. I'm also swaying girl after 10 months of dieting ready for my bfp now.

[Jazmin]

Hey Kazzz

I tried to reply you and kept getting error message. have you entered to 2week waiting?

AF due today- 28th but not here yet. I feel like it is around... ill wait 2 more days before I take the test sticks out.. I always end up wasting it lol.

treens- how r u ? did you test yet?


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[treens]

Hi ladies I tried testing on Thursday because it was out 4 year anniversary of my husband asking me out lol and if we conceived this month I would be due on our 3 year wedding anniversary. I thought that would be cool. But it was negative, could have been too early but I am feeling she is on her way, she is due today. We will see i will wait to test again in a day or 2 if nothing shows up :)

Good luck all!

[Jazmin]

Hi ladies I tried testing on Thursday because it was out 4 year anniversary of my husband asking me out lol and if we conceived this month I would be due on our 3 year wedding anniversary. I thought that would be cool. But it was negative, could have been too early but I am feeling she is on her way, she is due today. We will see i will wait to test again in a day or 2 if nothing shows up :)

Good luck all!

Belated Anniversary Treens. AF didn’t arrive yesterday but I guess it is delayed. today is cd30.


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[Jazmin]

atomic

last month my cycle was 25 days, the month before 26, month before that 28..
this cycle today 30 af not here.. it used to be 28/29 days cycle spot on. why do you think its keep changing? is it something to do with hormonal imbalance? or these many differences is ok even if it wasn’t like that before?


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[treens]

Just checking in I tried testing yesterday but it was negative. I am CD31 today same as you Jazmin.

[Jazmin]

same here. cd31. no AF. i will test tomorrow morning if AF isnt here. I have bad gas and tummy ache today but I am trying not to symptom spot.. I did that lot last time.


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[Kazzzz]

Maybe a bfp coming. I'm not in my tww yet I'm cd14 so waiting for ovulation. I replied to your message it did come through :)

[treens]

I hope it is your month! AF came strong and hard yesterday afternoon. Here we go again :)

[Kazzzz]

Oh sorry to hear that. How many months of 1 attempt have you done so far? This is my 3rd month if I don't get bfp this time I'll switch to e4d next cycle

[treens]

We got pregnant after 4 months of trying we were due in April with a little girl. This was my first attempt after our loss at the end of September. Best of luck to you :)

[atomic sagebrush]

atomic

last month my cycle was 25 days, the month before 26, month before that 28..
this cycle today 30 af not here.. it used to be 28/29 days cycle spot on. why do you think its keep changing? is it something to do with hormonal imbalance? or these many differences is ok even if it wasn’t like that before?


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That's not a sign of anything amiss. That is very normal - people just have that type of natural variation. Anything from a 21 day cycle to a 35 day cycle is normal, and it's also normal to have different lengths any given month. I know it's weird when you've had a perfectly regular cycle then it shifts, but that happens to women all the time for no known reason and with no downside.

[Jazmin]

I tested today and its bfn. it is AF tricking me by delaying it. little disappointed but worried about gain weight as i am swaying for boy

kazz oh ok. wish you the best with attempts. fx for this cycle for you.


Treens.. will be joining you soon. sorry about your loss. you will get ur bfp soon.


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[atomic sagebrush]

If you've ovulated late, you may be late to get a positive pregnancy test too.

Just focus on eating the healthier options and skipping things that have empty cals - you got this!

[Jazmin]

AF is here yesterday. [emoji20]I couldn’t login yesterday to the site for some reason. there was some error.

yes- thank you atomic. I need to cut down little bit more carbs. what are empty carbs you would say? what is good carbs?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Sugar and sugary treats, white bread, white rice, pasta in excess particularly when it's not a healthy type of pasta dish (like boxed mac and cheese), highly refined cereal like Rice Krispies or Corn Flakes, very high carb fruit like bananas and dates, fruit juice, dried fruit are all good things to avoid if you're gaining weight on the HE Diet. Alcohol is another thing that is easy to give up to save on some empty calories. Some people even need to give up on potatoes, but most don't - there is usually a LOT of room to cut back on sugar and white flour carbs before you need to worry about potatoes. However, if you're eating a lot of things like chips, those need to go. I know some people claim they sway, but they don't. They're just pure carbs with no nutrition - empty carbs.

Good carbs are things that are slower to digest, with higher fiber in them. Fresh fruits and vegetables (other than bananas, juice, and dry fruit), whole grain bread, brown rice, nuts. Pasta is a little bit of a gray area. While they do have whole grain pasta, it is not very good tasting for many people, and as long as you're eating regular pasta in moderation and in healthy ways (like I mentioned, not things like boxed mac and cheese, or very low in protein pasta meals) then usually you can get by with it.

[Jazmin]

Sugar and sugary treats, white bread, white rice, pasta in excess particularly when it's not a healthy type of pasta dish (like boxed mac and cheese), highly refined cereal like Rice Krispies or Corn Flakes, very high carb fruit like bananas and dates, fruit juice, dried fruit are all good things to avoid if you're gaining weight on the HE Diet. Alcohol is another thing that is easy to give up to save on some empty calories. Some people even need to give up on potatoes, but most don't - there is usually a LOT of room to cut back on sugar and white flour carbs before you need to worry about potatoes. However, if you're eating a lot of things like chips, those need to go. I know some people claim they sway, but they don't. They're just pure carbs with no nutrition - empty carbs.

Good carbs are things that are slower to digest, with higher fiber in them. Fresh fruits and vegetables (other than bananas, juice, and dry fruit), whole grain bread, brown rice, nuts. Pasta is a little bit of a gray area. While they do have whole grain pasta, it is not very good tasting for many people, and as long as you're eating regular pasta in moderation and in healthy ways (like I mentioned, not things like boxed mac and cheese, or very low in protein pasta meals) then usually you can get by with it.

Thank you atomic. I think the only i eat here and there in bad carbs.. is sugary treats. I will definitely watch more not to gain anymore.

Also will watch on white flour carb though I have reduced it.

otherwise I mostly eat broken wheat / quinoa / brown rice and sometimes wholemeal bread.. either with chicken meat or fish and vegg.
bf i include egg mushroom etc sometimes a quick sandwich.. milk strong tea in the morning and a black tea in the evening..


hoping bfp for next cycle [emoji1696]


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[Kazzzz]

Thank you atomic. I think the only i eat here and there in bad carbs.. is sugary treats. I will definitely watch more not to gain anymore.

Also will watch on white flour carb though I have reduced it.

otherwise I mostly eat broken wheat / quinoa / brown rice and sometimes wholemeal bread.. either with chicken meat or fish and vegg.
bf i include egg mushroom etc sometimes a quick sandwich.. milk strong tea in the morning and a black tea in the evening..


hoping bfp for next cycle [emoji1696]


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Sounds like my girl sway diet minus the tea lol

[onelittlewish]

5 DPO here anyone in the TWW?

The whole family got covid during our trip last month, luckily the symptoms were mild and we had very quick recovery. The only thing is that I got my period 2 days earlier (my LP went from 13 days to 11 days) or I ovulated two days earlier? Can covid mess up your cycle?

Timing wasn't too good this time, tried to aim at O-2 and early O but got a surprise positive and ended up with O-3 and O-1 (because tried again on O but didn't work). The next day my temp spiked so fingers crossed for this cycle but not very hopeful...

[atomic sagebrush]

Sounds like my girl sway diet minus the tea lol

It is very important for blue swayers to have confidence in their sways. Any attempt to undermine the confidence of a blue swayer because you're bored, because you don't like me, because you're feeling anxious, any or all of the above, will not be tolerated. Honest questions and concerns, I will happily spend hours answering. Questions that are not being asked in good faith, not so much.

Making a person doubt their sway - any person, let alone someone who is ostensibly your friend - for your own purposes is very unkind. While you and I have had our differences, you have never struck me as a deliberately unkind person, and seeing this makes me very sad for you. I hope you take a step back and think on this, because this does not to me seem like the behavior of someone who is feeling very happy inside.

Now, since the question is on the table, and the doubts have been created, I will answer to the best of my ability.

The limits are different. Foods in and of themselves do not sway. We do a lot of things differently between the LE, the alternate LE, and the HE Diets. So a person can eat a set of foods on any of these diets that are the same FOODS, but different LIMITS.

In addition, it matters what a person was eating BEFORE. A very light eater just by their nature may increase their eating quite a lot and still fall into what for others, might seem like the upper limits of LE Diet. But it is still going to be blue friendly for that person, because they've eaten so much more than they did in the past.

Blue swayers are also taking high nutrient supplements that pink swayers are not taking, and are eating in very different eating patterns, 3 meals a day and as many as five snacks a day. There is difference in exercise patterns too between LE and HE. There are absolutely tons of differences between LE, alt. LE, and HE Diets and just because people are eating some of the same foods on the different diets, it doesn't mean in any way, shape or form that these people are eating the same diets.

To give a concrete example for anyone who is still confused:

Basic LE:

1500-1800 cals for most, could be as little as 1200 or as high as 2000
30-60 g fat
40-50 g protein
Not taking any additional supplements beyond folic acid/folate and fiber for most people
Skipping breakfast, avoiding snacks

Skim dairy and fat free foods are allowed for those who want them, as are white carbs and sugar within the limits.

On the alternate LE Diet which is what Kazzz is following:
1500-1800 cals, could be as little as 1200 or as high as 2000
50-60 g protein and fat
Not taking any additional supplements beyond folic acid/folate and fiber for most people
Skipping breakfast, avoiding snacks

Whole grain carbs are preferred, limited to no sugary treats, full fat dairy only.

On both forms of LE, we err on the side of getting most of our fat and protein from vegetable based sources and try to avoid highly fortified foods like breakfast cereal. And most people lose at least some weight and do cardio exercise.

HE Dieters:

2000 calories or more, for most. A very few people only go as high as 1800 or have to reduce to that level if they gain a lot of weight quickly.
70+ g protein and more is better, especially animal protein
As much healthy and saturated (especially animal based) fat as they can
They eat breakfast and regular meals plus snacks, most of which have both protein and calories in them
They avoid skim dairy, chemical-laden foods like bacon and artificial sweeteners, and fat free "Frankenfoods" as much as possible. Milk replacers and highly processed transfats and Omega 6 fats like canola oil are limited as well.

They take many high nutrient supplements and eat fortified foods like breakfast cereals.
They do a more moderate exercise level including weight training.
Most people gain at least a bit of weight.

Now, since the diets + exercise are so very different from one another, the existence of quinoa or any other food in ANY of these diets is fully allowed, and has nothing to do with the outcome. Magic foods are not real and no one should EVER doubt the outcome of their sway because they're eating certain foods that other swayers are eating or are not eating. If you are in the limits for whichever diet you're following, you are doing exactly what you need to be doing. Let the magic foods go - they simply do not work!

[atomic sagebrush]

5 DPO here anyone in the TWW?

The whole family got covid during our trip last month, luckily the symptoms were mild and we had very quick recovery. The only thing is that I got my period 2 days earlier (my LP went from 13 days to 11 days) or I ovulated two days earlier? Can covid mess up your cycle?

Timing wasn't too good this time, tried to aim at O-2 and early O but got a surprise positive and ended up with O-3 and O-1 (because tried again on O but didn't work). The next day my temp spiked so fingers crossed for this cycle but not very hopeful...

Yes absolutely Covid can mess up the cycle! Lots of people had weird cycles during/after having Covid. It can be EITHER an earlier period or an early ovulation. Keep in mind that your period tells you what happened last month, not this one, this is a whole new month.

I'm so glad to hear you guys had it light with Covid. We had very easy cases too at the start of the year, and I hope and pray that for everyone! I found my period was heavy for a few cycles after that and my cycle was a little shorter than normal, and it resolved over time. Keep me posted on that (fine to email me privately if you prefer) as that is how I'm learning how Covid is affecting you guys.

We honestly don't know when you ovulated so it may be that you did have the O-2 and O timing. O-3 and O-1 is still good. FXFXFX!!!

[Kazzzz]

Shoot sorry Jazmin I thought you were girl swaying like me but yes our limits will be so different an everything else too i think lots of cardio, 1 attempt, skipping breakfast, and no snacking is really good for a girl which your not doing. Gosh so much goes into it when you really think about it. Good luck with your boy sway Jasmine you can have all of my boy dust, I'm completely finished it lol

[onelittlewish]

Yes absolutely Covid can mess up the cycle! Lots of people had weird cycles during/after having Covid. It can be EITHER an earlier period or an early ovulation. Keep in mind that your period tells you what happened last month, not this one, this is a whole new month.

I'm so glad to hear you guys had it light with Covid. We had very easy cases too at the start of the year, and I hope and pray that for everyone! I found my period was heavy for a few cycles after that and my cycle was a little shorter than normal, and it resolved over time. Keep me posted on that (fine to email me privately if you prefer) as that is how I'm learning how Covid is affecting you guys.

We honestly don't know when you ovulated so it may be that you did have the O-2 and O timing. O-3 and O-1 is still good. FXFXFX!!!

The biggest difference for me was that I normally have max 7 days period with day 6-7 being light spotting but usually day 7 i'm pretty clean already. This time, I spotted till day 9. And the shorter cycle of course.

Thank you I hope so too! 7 DPO today just the terrible terrible gas is killing me :worry:

[atomic sagebrush]

oh gosh the terrible gas can be an early pregnancy sign!!! FXFXFX!

[Nowmarriedgirl]

I’m swaying girl and in the tww!!! Yahoo! 7dpo today and just got over a gastro spewing bug. Felt so nauseous and thought this can not be pregnancy already. Lol. My previous cycles were 27 days then 26 days, (before swaying were 30-32 days long but swaying has made them long and short) , ovulation around cd15, so expected the same this month , kept testing and opks would surge then lower, again and again until I finally got positive opk around day cd24!! So technically I’m not sure when AF is even due as cycles are all over the place. I bd cd 21 then didn’t get another chance to so it might have been too far out to conceive but only time will tell!!!! Send me pregnant and pink vibes ladies! [emoji254] dying to take a test but also hesitant as I don’t want to be disappointed so waiting for af to show or not … [emoji16]


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[Nowmarriedgirl]

The biggest difference for me was that I normally have max 7 days period with day 6-7 being light spotting but usually day 7 i'm pretty clean already. This time, I spotted till day 9. And the shorter cycle of course.

Thank you I hope so too! 7 DPO today just the terrible terrible gas is killing me :worry:

I’m 7dpo today too! Good luck !!!!! Thinking of you , we’ll test around the same time!


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[onelittlewish]

I’m 7dpo today too! Good luck !!!!! Thinking of you , we’ll test around the same time!


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When are you gonna test? Im gonna be travelling on 11dpo so still battling whether to test on 10dpo before i leave or just wait for AF. I'd probably cave in i guess...

[Nowmarriedgirl]

When are you gonna test? Im gonna be travelling on 11dpo so still battling whether to test on 10dpo before i leave or just wait for AF. I'd probably cave in i guess...

If you’re travelling thats hard. How long for? I like to wait to test so I know that it’s a definite answer so I’ll probably wait until Monday and if Af hasn’t Shown up (FF tells me I’m due then) I’ll test then I think


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[onelittlewish]

If you’re travelling thats hard. How long for? I like to wait to test so I know that it’s a definite answer so I’ll probably wait until Monday and if Af hasn’t Shown up (FF tells me I’m due then) I’ll test then I think


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Will be travelling for 3 weeks. my AF is due on Tuesday so a day behind you...keep me updated and fingers crossed for you!

[treens]

Best of luck ladies!

[Nowmarriedgirl]

Best of luck ladies!

Thank you! Will update!


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[Nowmarriedgirl]

Will be travelling for 3 weeks. my AF is due on Tuesday so a day behind you...keep me updated and fingers crossed for you!

Oh yes that’s a while away and hard to test if travelling , maybe test before with a sensitive one. I’m nervous to test but feel pregnant but dunno if I’m just crazy [emoji1787] keep me updated! [emoji1695]


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[treens]

Im not with you yet but i am on my 2nd morning of flashy smiles today is CD 10 for me so it seams early but we will see :)

[Kazzzz]

I'm officially in the tww 3dpo 3rd ttc cycle 10.5 months dieting please be my bfp cycle. Good luck to everyone in their tww. It's time for some bfp's around here.

[Nowmarriedgirl]

Im not with you yet but i am on my 2nd morning of flashy smiles today is CD 10 for me so it seams early but we will see :)

Good luck! I hope this is your month!


I got my positive test! Very faint line but a line! 12dpo today [emoji3060][emoji3060] now just need a sticky healthy baby [emoji175][emoji1695]


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[Nowmarriedgirl]

Will be travelling for 3 weeks. my AF is due on Tuesday so a day behind you...keep me updated and fingers crossed for you!

Did you test?? I got a positive test this morning at 12dpo!! Faint but there! [emoji1695] it’s healthy


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[9jamama01]

Congratulations on your bfp [emoji126]

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[treens]

Congratulations Nowmarriedgirl! I hope you have wonderful 9 months and get the healthy baby you have always dreamed of.

[treens]

I believe we are now 1 dop. I had a solid smile Sunday it is now Tuesday. We beded that night last night and will again tonight. I am swaying for girl but also just want a healthy little bean now that I am 42. Wishing everyone a wonderful day!

[Nowmarriedgirl]

I believe we are now 1 dop. I had a solid smile Sunday it is now Tuesday. We beded that night last night and will again tonight. I am swaying for girl but also just want a healthy little bean now that I am 42. Wishing everyone a wonderful day!

Good luck Treens!! It’s a long tww. Age will sway girl for you too but yes healthy baby is most important!!!


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[Nowmarriedgirl]

Sadly I’ve started bleeding , so I presume chemical [emoji30][emoji174] guttered !!!!!!!!! Sending love to everyone else and hoping for healthy sticky babies for you guys. This wasn’t my time.


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[treens]

Im so sorry Nowmarriedgirl, I know how hard it is. I wish you a calm relaxed holiday and a January BFP :)

[Jazmin]

oh sorry nowmarriedgirl. are you swaying for a girl or boy? prayers for your next cycle.

treens.. you got early ovulation this time. we are in one day difference this cycle. good luck.

cycle 2 for me - I am still waiting for positive ovulation. CD13 today. feel like am closer.

jemmama.. how you doing? are you trying this cycle? xx


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[Kazzzz]

7dpo longest tww ever!!

[treens]

Yes I was early this month and I think I was the last time i conceived too. fingers crossed :)

Lets all get our little healthy sticky beans for Christmas!

[Jazmin]

kazz good luck! hope its the month for you

treens- thats a good sign. [emoji1696]


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[mommymachine]

Hi everyone! We are TTC number 8. Currently 9 DPO. Hoping we all get our Christmas BFP.

[Boysway2022]

Wow!! Number 8!!!! I’ve got one so far and that’s hard work took me until
She’s 3 to try for my second! We are trying this month I’m day 15 but I ovulated on day 21 last month - my first month trying so will see what happens !! Good luck!

[treens]

Hows everyone doing? Anyone testing yet?

I got so sick 4 days after ovulation maybe food poisoning or 24 hour flue. I am feeling way better now but hope that doesn't hurt our chances. Currently CD 19 and 6DPO

[Jazmin]

hey mommymachine.. good luck.. keep us updated. fx for u.

i think i just entered to 1dpo. fx fx .. praying 2023 is the year fxfx


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[Jazmin]

Hows everyone doing? Anyone testing yet?

I got so sick 4 days after ovulation maybe food poisoning or 24 hour flue. I am feeling way better now but hope that doesn't hurt our chances. Currently CD 19 and 6DPO

glad u r feeling better now. I am just behind you with dpo days.. lol. [emoji16][emoji1696]


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[Jazmin]

hows everyone doing? I came down with bad sickness. 4dpo. lost appetite and been taking pain killers [emoji29]


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[treens]

Oh no I hope you feel better! I feel i have a cold now. Its never ending, I have a daycare so someone is always sick near me :( I am 10 dop i have not tested.

[Jazmin]

yes.. someone is always unwell at my house since winter .. it is going in a cycle.

hope everything goes well.. Good luck .. fx for BFP.
I hear so many ppl around me giving birth and its all baby boys and am like whens my turn [emoji29][emoji29] .. 5 dpo and i feel like these 2 weeks are the slowest [emoji24]


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[Boysway2022]

I’m 7/8 dpo now ! I don’t feel this is my month I’m starting to get my usual period pains I have a short lp so period usually starts 10DPO it’s my first month trying so but expecting anything ! Keep me posted how you get on I may test in 2 days time if my period doesn’t start !

[Jazmin]

oh same here. 8dpo . I dont know how I feel.. I am trying hard not to symptoms spot but whatever I feel I guess it is the same when i get periods. i have on and off cramps,.. gassy first few days .. mild breast cramps.. no discharge.. everything is also expected for AF so no much hope. I have noted everything down so I can compare with next cycle. AF expected on Saturday.. hoping for bfp [emoji1696]

anyone tested yet?


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[Boysway2022]

Not tested yet unsure when to do it ! I’m trying to hold out to not waste a test haha! I’m thinking at 10DPO if I can wait until then to be fair my period usually starts then too! When are you testing ? Are you swaying at all? I’m glad it’s been busy or the wait would be even harder! When I was pregnant last time I had a gut I was! This time just not feeling I am! See in a few days will feedback!

[mommymachine]

I got my BFP at 9/10 DPO. Now I’m 4 weeks and 5 days. I hope you ladies get your BFP!


Mommy to 7, and expecting number to 8.

[treens]

YAYAYYAY Congratulations Mommymachine! What a wonderful gift!

Im still holding out 15 dpo cd 28. Have not tested yet.

[Jazmin]

soo ssoo happy for you mommymachine.

treens.. feeling positive for you.. fxfx.. are you waiting for AF to delay..

boysway- yes I am also swaying for boy.. have 2 beautiful girls. lol same here.. dont want to waste tester lol.. last year i think I was testing too early and kept wasting the sticks.. so now I kinda wait until 12dpo then if it’s negative I wait for AF. I guess by dpo 12 if it is negative it is probably negative for me as i got positive at 10dpo for my last pregnancy. my AF is expected for Saturday. 10dpo cd 27 today. I dont feel anything special this cycle so maybe am out. just going to wait few more days [emoji29]

good luck everyone.

[Boysway2022]

Oh wow you’re so good not testing until 15DPO… I’m either 9DPO or 10DPO. So we will see … I should know in the next day or so as my LP is only 10-11 days max.

[atomic sagebrush]

Hope everyone is having a lovely holiday season! Wishing you all a wonderful 2023!

[Boysway2022]

You too lovely lady! Thanks for all your support and advice!

[Jazmin]

Hope everyone is having a lovely holiday season! Wishing you all a wonderful 2023!

Thank you. wishing you the same! Happy New Year


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[Jazmin]

Oh wow you’re so good not testing until 15DPO… I’m either 9DPO or 10DPO. So we will see … I should know in the next day or so as my LP is only 10-11 days max.

it is hard .. trying to keep myself busy.. my breast pain is reduced so I guess AF is around [emoji21].. will see .

keep us updated. good luck.


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[Boysway2022]

Well I’m 10/11dpo and I think I have a very faint positive! It’s not done with first morning urine. I did one with a cheapie test and I thought I saw something but I wasn’t sure if it was an evaporation line or my eyes playing tricks ! The first response there’s a faint line but worried it’a an indent again! I followed the instructions and the line came visible within a minute. I have had a few chemical pregnancy in the past so not getting my hopes up just yet - will keep you posted !

[Boysway2022]

43747

What do you guys think? 🤔

[treens]

Thank you Atomic! Wishing you an amazing Healthy Easy 2023!

Boysway2022 that looks like a line to me!!!! Keep us posted!

I have never waited for AF to arrive i always start testing so early. This time i just don't want to be disappointed so at least i feel hope till i get AF or a negative test. I will wait a bit more. I have been shoving snow lots we got 1 foot since Christmas. We are renovating our kitchen and moving cabinets and lots of things to make my back sore so it feels like AF is on the way but nothing yet. We will see :)

[Jazmin]

43747

What do you guys think? [emoji848]

omg it looks positive to me [emoji4][emoji4].. so happy for you.. and prayers for you xx keep us updated.


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[Jazmin]

Thank you Atomic! Wishing you an amazing Healthy Easy 2023!

Boysway2022 that looks like a line to me!!!! Keep us posted!

I have never waited for AF to arrive i always start testing so early. This time i just don't want to be disappointed so at least i feel hope till i get AF or a negative test. I will wait a bit more. I have been shoving snow lots we got 1 foot since Christmas. We are renovating our kitchen and moving cabinets and lots of things to make my back sore so it feels like AF is on the way but nothing yet. We will see :)

Good luck dear. I will most probably test tomorrow.. AF due day after tomorrow.
fxfx


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[Jazmin]

tested today and its clear negative. [emoji21] I guess am out this cycle too. AF will be here today or tomorrow


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[treens]

Af came this AM :( Here we go again wishing the best 2023 to everyone!

[Jazmin]

AF is not here yet but I can feel it is close.


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[Jazmin]

AF arrived this early morning. so am officially out.. and goodbye 2022 ..
Hopefully 2023 is the year.

Happy New year everyone.

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[Boysway2022]

Sorry to hear this ! Fingers crossed for 2023 🙏🏼🙏🏼

[atomic sagebrush]

I am hoping for excellent news for everyone in 2023!!!

[Boysway2022]

How’s everyone doing ? I’m 15DPO with pretty strong lines so I’m currently pregnant… I’m a nervous wreck as I’ve had chemicals before and can’t relax! As works out like 4wk1 day so very early - I didn’t really want to test but was difficult with new year as I was meant to be drinking - I faked I was!! Im still taking all my multi vitamins- centrum , folic, vit d and omego 3. Is there anything else I could take to help the health?! Is there anything I should be weaning off? I’m uk based so they don’t do any bloods or anything first appointment is 8’weels
With midwife and first scan is at 12 weeks. Think I’m going to pay for an early one if I get that far…!!! Send me positive vibes 🙏🏼 also sorry for everyone who didn’t get a BFP this month -
Praying this is your month 😊

[Jazmin]

How’s everyone doing ? I’m 15DPO with pretty strong lines so I’m currently pregnant… I’m a nervous wreck as I’ve had chemicals before and can’t relax! As works out like 4wk1 day so very early - I didn’t really want to test but was difficult with new year as I was meant to be drinking - I faked I was!! Im still taking all my multi vitamins- centrum , folic, vit d and omego 3. Is there anything else I could take to help the health?! Is there anything I should be weaning off? I’m uk based so they don’t do any bloods or anything first appointment is 8’weels
With midwife and first scan is at 12 weeks. Think I’m going to pay for an early one if I get that far…!!! Send me positive vibes [emoji1374] also sorry for everyone who didn’t get a BFP this month -
Praying this is your month [emoji4]

Hey, ok here. thank you. hope you are doing good.
Am just done with AF and entering to the ttc for this cycle. fx yes!! am also in UK.. i know the pain! they don’t check anything until 12weeks. if you want a scan, you can try and ask for one .. I had one at 8 weeks for previous pregnancy. I had dizziness so GP send me for an early scan. everything will be ok for you. DW [emoji170] [emoji4]


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[Boysway2022]

Fingers crossed for you this cycle ! So far everything seems ok but you never know do you! I will be 5 weeks on Monday it’s going so slow always does at the start ! Literally starving all the time can’t get enough food but feel exhausted too! Never had any at symptoms with my girl so I was hoping to feel as good this time but not been so lucky!!!

[onelittlewish]

Happy new year everyone! Hopefully 2023 is the year for us.

@ Nowmarriedgirl, I got my period right on time last cycle and this cycle we were on holiday so I wasn't really tracking. I tested OPK and got a day pos and neg the day after so probably ovulated sometime around that. Expected period today BFN and spotting abit so I probably ovulated later and AF is on the way. Starting cycle #18 soon...

[Jazmin]

hi everyone. how’s everything.. I think i ovulated today or yesterday. anyone in 2ww ?


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[treens]

I believe I ovulated on Friday so 3 days ago. I have been sick with a fever for a week so we only got an attempts in on Friday after the attempt my fever was up to 104 again so I think I am out this month. His little swimmers probably wouldn't want to stay around in that heat lol

Best of luck Jasmine and anyone else :))

[Jazmin]

oh. hope u r better now and fully recovered.

this month wasn’t great for me either. I felt a bit down and stressed. We still did attempt around ovulation and on o day I believe. today is only dpo1.


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[atomic sagebrush]

I believe I ovulated on Friday so 3 days ago. I have been sick with a fever for a week so we only got an attempts in on Friday after the attempt my fever was up to 104 again so I think I am out this month. His little swimmers probably wouldn't want to stay around in that heat lol

Best of luck Jasmine and anyone else :))

Oh gosh treens I think I have this same thing, it's BRUTAL! Take care of yourself!

[Jazmin]

hows everyone? I think I am 5dpo today.. it feels the longest.. though i wont be surprised to see AF. its been like that for a few months now [emoji19]

i have so much hair loss recently.. thyroid test came negative .. atomic is there anything else linked with fertility and hair loss?


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[atomic sagebrush]

Usually hair loss is caused by hormonal things like having had a baby or a loss, coming off of or going onto birth control, a prolonged illness or large weight loss, extreme dieting (Ramadan can often cause it). The hair loss doesn't happen till 3-6 months after the incident because hair has to "rest" for a while before it falls out, so if you can think back about 3-6 months or even a bit longer and if there was anything hormonal or stressful to your body around that point, that is the most likely reason.

[treens]

I hope you are feeling better Atomic! It defiantly was a crazy sickness. And this year was my first year of getting the flue shot go figure LOL

I am 10 dpo feeling a bit cramps like AF is coming but still hoping even thought i had such a high fever at that time.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yes it reminded me of when I would get sick as a kid - felt like something I've had in the past several times just hadn't had for a long time! And hopefully never again. Hope you're feeling way better now and FX for a BFP this month!!

[Jazmin]

I hope you are feeling better Atomic! It defiantly was a crazy sickness. And this year was my first year of getting the flue shot go figure LOL

I am 10 dpo feeling a bit cramps like AF is coming but still hoping even thought i had such a high fever at that time.

hey.. fingers crossed for you .. praying this is your month. when is your AF due? keep us updated.


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[treens]

Hi Jazmin! AF is due 28th. When is yours due? I hope its your month too!!!!!

[Jazmin]

Usually hair loss is caused by hormonal things like having had a baby or a loss, coming off of or going onto birth control, a prolonged illness or large weight loss, extreme dieting (Ramadan can often cause it). The hair loss doesn't happen till 3-6 months after the incident because hair has to "rest" for a while before it falls out, so if you can think back about 3-6 months or even a bit longer and if there was anything hormonal or stressful to your body around that point, that is the most likely reason.

thank you. I had covid few months back.. then went away for 2 months so my diet was soo different. that is the only thing I can think of.. I do doubt the covid !!


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[Jazmin]

Hi Jazmin! AF is due 28th. When is yours due? I hope its your month too!!!!!

Hey. Yeah mines could be 29th or 30th. fx for both of us. I am counting on 30th


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[atomic sagebrush]

thank you. I had covid few months back.. then went away for 2 months so my diet was soo different. that is the only thing I can think of.. I do doubt the covid !!


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I've heard of several people having hair loss after Covid that's for sure.

[Jazmin]

yeah agree!! There is some link between covid and hair loss!!

I got a blood test requested.. waiting.

anyone tested yet in 2ww .. 2 more days for me for AF.. soo tempted to test but thought to hold. no special symptoms for me. usual breast pain, nausea and sensitivity to smell.. aches and pinching on abdomen.. but i get this every month. especially the breast ache and sensitivity to smell.


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[treens]

AF came for me yesterday! Crossing my fingers for you Jazmin!!!

[Jazmin]

oh sorry treen. I am due tomorrow.. I can feel she is around [emoji20]

how long it took you ti fall preg with your boy?


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[treens]

For my boy I believe 5 months.

[Jazmin]

AF is here [emoji20]


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[atomic sagebrush]

Oh no Jazmin, I'm so sorry! Go February!

[treens]

Im with you Jasmine! February will be a great month for both of us!!!

[Jazmin]

Oh no Jazmin, I'm so sorry! Go February!

Thank you atomic. fx for feb [emoji1696]


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[Jazmin]

Im with you Jasmine! February will be a great month for both of us!!!

yess .. hugss … I dont know what I need to do to help conceive..


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[LMSM]

I'm not TTC yet so you can have all my baby dust ladies! ;)
I'll come back for the blue one hopefully in 5-6 months' time !

[onelittlewish]

yess .. hugss … I dont know what I need to do to help conceive..


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same here jazmin :worry:

11dpo here we had good attempts this month (probably O-1 & O temp spiked after the attempt) tested yesterday BFN. temp dropped abit today so i guess out this month again

good luck to everyone in the new cycle!

[Jazmin]

I'm not TTC yet so you can have all my baby dust ladies! ;)
I'll come back for the blue one hopefully in 5-6 months' time !

thank you [emoji4] theand good luck with your coming up blue sway [emoji7]


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[Jazmin]

same here jazmin :worry:

11dpo here we had good attempts this month (probably O-1 & O temp spiked after the attempt) tested yesterday BFN. temp dropped abit today so i guess out this month again

good luck to everyone in the new cycle!

Thank you. You have time until AF is here.. Hope this is your month [emoji1696]..


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[Mochi]

Hi everyone. Turns out I’m unexpectedly in the 2WW now. I don’t hold out much hope for my sway as I wasn’t perfect with the pink PCOS diet and have really struggled to lose any way (kept losing a kg and it kept coming back). Turns out I really don’t do well with low calorie!

Theres only a slight change of a pregnancy this month, but a chance is a chance. My husband finally agreed to a second child and then got a bit *ahem* lax with his pull out game so here we are. A month or two earlier than planned but that’s life.

On the plus I have successfully removed almost all red meat from my diet for the last year or so. I have been delaying breakfast until 10am most days and walking lots - normally at least an hour a day minimum. I’ve managed to make little tweaks easily just not gone the whole hog. I did have diabetes in my last pregnancy though so I’ve pretty much accepted I’ll get blue again (I’m okay with that, it’s not the DREAM but a baby is a baby is a baby!)

Good luck everyone. I’m a bit terrified of a bfp (not in a bad way, just a nervous way) so it’s going to be a looong 2WW!

[onelittlewish]

Hi everyone. Turns out I’m unexpectedly in the 2WW now. I don’t hold out much hope for my sway as I wasn’t perfect with the pink PCOS diet and have really struggled to lose any way (kept losing a kg and it kept coming back). Turns out I really don’t do well with low calorie!

Theres only a slight change of a pregnancy this month, but a chance is a chance. My husband finally agreed to a second child and then got a bit *ahem* lax with his pull out game so here we are. A month or two earlier than planned but that’s life.

On the plus I have successfully removed almost all red meat from my diet for the last year or so. I have been delaying breakfast until 10am most days and walking lots - normally at least an hour a day minimum. I’ve managed to make little tweaks easily just not gone the whole hog. I did have diabetes in my last pregnancy though so I’ve pretty much accepted I’ll get blue again (I’m okay with that, it’s not the DREAM but a baby is a baby is a baby!)

Good luck everyone. I’m a bit terrified of a bfp (not in a bad way, just a nervous way) so it’s going to be a looong 2WW!

That still sounds like a pretty good sway! Best luck to you and keep us updated!

[onelittlewish]

Thank you. You have time until AF is here.. Hope this is your month [emoji1696]..


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13dpo today AF due tomorrow. BFN and temp dropped to baseline so heres another cycle. This month hit me hard. At this point i just want a baby:sad:

[onelittlewish]

Hi everyone. Turns out I’m unexpectedly in the 2WW now. I don’t hold out much hope for my sway as I wasn’t perfect with the pink PCOS diet and have really struggled to lose any way (kept losing a kg and it kept coming back). Turns out I really don’t do well with low calorie!

Theres only a slight change of a pregnancy this month, but a chance is a chance. My husband finally agreed to a second child and then got a bit *ahem* lax with his pull out game so here we are. A month or two earlier than planned but that’s life.

On the plus I have successfully removed almost all red meat from my diet for the last year or so. I have been delaying breakfast until 10am most days and walking lots - normally at least an hour a day minimum. I’ve managed to make little tweaks easily just not gone the whole hog. I did have diabetes in my last pregnancy though so I’ve pretty much accepted I’ll get blue again (I’m okay with that, it’s not the DREAM but a baby is a baby is a baby!)

Good luck everyone. I’m a bit terrified of a bfp (not in a bad way, just a nervous way) so it’s going to be a looong 2WW!

That still sounds like a good sway! best luck to you and keep us updated!

[Jazmin]

Hi everyone. Turns out I’m unexpectedly in the 2WW now. I don’t hold out much hope for my sway as I wasn’t perfect with the pink PCOS diet and have really struggled to lose any way (kept losing a kg and it kept coming back). Turns out I really don’t do well with low calorie!

Theres only a slight change of a pregnancy this month, but a chance is a chance. My husband finally agreed to a second child and then got a bit *ahem* lax with his pull out game so here we are. A month or two earlier than planned but that’s life.

On the plus I have successfully removed almost all red meat from my diet for the last year or so. I have been delaying breakfast until 10am most days and walking lots - normally at least an hour a day minimum. I’ve managed to make little tweaks easily just not gone the whole hog. I did have diabetes in my last pregnancy though so I’ve pretty much accepted I’ll get blue again (I’m okay with that, it’s not the DREAM but a baby is a baby is a baby!)

Good luck everyone. I’m a bit terrified of a bfp (not in a bad way, just a nervous way) so it’s going to be a looong 2WW!

You did well.. wish you the best and all pink dusts from me [emoji4]


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[Jazmin]

13dpo today AF due tomorrow. BFN and temp dropped to baseline so heres another cycle. This month hit me hard. At this point i just want a baby:sad:

good luck dear. keep us updated. i am done with AF.. moving on to ttc for this cycle. ovulation expected next week..


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[treens]

Back in the 2ww again :) I think we got 3 attempts in this time. We did on day before solid smile, day of and day after. We are just hoping for a healthy pregnancy :)) I got solid smiley before i thought I should but also had o cramps and ewm so crossing my fingers :)))

[Jazmin]

good luck Treens. ttc mode here lol [emoji23]


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[treens]

LOL have fun Jazmin & good luck!!

[Jazmin]

Thank you treens. howany dpo r u now?

hows everyone?? hows the 2ww for all.

I didn’t have any ovulation pain this cycle so far. usually I have pain and egg white discharge come around the same time with positive Opk. this cycle there is an absence of pain.. not sure if it is a good sign or bad. We almost done with attempts and thinking tomorrow is dpo 1. I will continue with bd every other day or 2 .. to be safe.


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[treens]

I am 8 dpo I may test Friday before we leave for a little get away I will see how I am feeling LOL
If I did ovulate later we didn't get any extra chances in as my husband was out of town so fingers crossed.

I was looking and if we conceived this month we would be due on my 19 year old son's birthday lol

I hope it is your month, good idea to continue to bed you just never know!

[Mochi]

I tested today at 10dpo because I’ve been feeling “off” and I think I got a very faint line. Though I don’t know if it’s just line eyes at this point :rofl::rofl:

I’ve ordered some first response tests which will come today, and I guess I’ll use one tomorrow morning and see if the line is there/darker?

My test, if you want to help with my ‘line eyes’ haha!:
https://ibb.co/ssRJhmz
https://ibb.co/fv8mW1Y

[onelittlewish]

Good luck Treens hope you get a BFP tomorrow!

Hope you have got good attempts in this cycle Jazmin! I am a few days behind you, CD12 and got my day 3 flashy smiley. Abit crampy today so I'll probably get my solid smiley in a day or two and join you guys in the TWW!

Mochi I def see a faint line there! FX it gets darker and you get your blazing lines in no time!