the calcium conundrum - CONTROVERSIAL

I have been consuming a high dairy diet since starting the whole swaying process, on an average day i have 2/3 glasses of milk, small amount of cottage chesse on crackerbread, a yougurt drink, normal yougurt and maybe some icecream! NOt sure how but have managed to loose 18 lb in 10 weeks doing this! Just wandered if someone could tell me wether this is way too much dairy or as im loosing weight is it ok?
Apart from the dairy im sticking to chicken twice a week, cucmber and noodles and rice with the odd bit of chocolate here and there. This has been such a radical change to my diet as im a big meat eater normally and hated milk and yougurt and always ate three meals a day with my ds's.
Is there anything anyone things i should/shouldnt be doing different?
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Originally Posted by purplepoet20

I am started to think that we (DH too) will be diabetic vegans for about a month :) That should help me to loose the extra weight I need to sway girl.


Acid/Akaline info that I have found very useful is from the livingstrong website. They actually say that foods that are acidic turn akaline in the body..... having some fun I tested the ph in my meals/drinks for 4 days, urine, and cm (right before, during, and after Ov) Eating Grapefruit and Lemon Aid raised my ph so high that I thought the meter was wrong.

With my next Ov cycle I am going to eat acidifying foods from the list and see what happens... I will update in a few weeks with the results.

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That is interesting about the alkalinity! Thanks for sharing!

If I was going to sway pink again, I would totally be a diabetic vegan! :agree:

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Originally Posted by wishing on a star

I have been consuming a high dairy diet since starting the whole swaying process, on an average day i have 2/3 glasses of milk, small amount of cottage chesse on crackerbread, a yougurt drink, normal yougurt and maybe some icecream! NOt sure how but have managed to loose 18 lb in 10 weeks doing this! Just wandered if someone could tell me wether this is way too much dairy or as im loosing weight is it ok?
Apart from the dairy im sticking to chicken twice a week, cucmber and noodles and rice with the odd bit of chocolate here and there. This has been such a radical change to my diet as im a big meat eater normally and hated milk and yougurt and always ate three meals a day with my ds's.
Is there anything anyone things i should/shouldnt be doing different?
xxx

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No, as long as your protein, fat, and sodium are still on the low side (dairy is LOADED with those things). ARe you doing skim milk? I think skim is best.

It seems to me that it's the CHANGE that is most important for people, and your diet is def. different! Congrats on the weight loss!

Thanks atonic, im drinking semi skimmed at the moment is that ok or should change to skimmed?
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I would do skim milk only. Fat free on all dairy.

You don't want to believe everything (if anything!) you read in this newspaper but this is interesting all the same:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...lass-milk.html

Hey guys, for anyone interested, I wrote a third part to this essay: http://genderdreaming.com/forum/show...ucting-the-FGD

HI atomic, just wanted to share an interesting article I found (maybe it´s already by here, but if not , here it is!):

Calcium

Calcium is a supplement most often noted for its ability to promote strong bones and teeth. However, this nutrient can have a number of other benefits, including promoting hormone production. According to a study from the December 2008 edition of "Biological Trace Element Research," four weeks of calcium supplementation can support increased testosterone levels.

Magnesium

Magnesium is an essential nutrient that aids in producing energy, activates enzymes and helps regulate the amount of certain other nutrients in your body. In addition, research published in the April 2011 edition of "Biological Trace Element Research" indicates that supplementation with magnesium can promote increased testosterone levels.



I found it here: Vitamin Supplements To Increase Testosterone | LIVESTRONG.COM

Thank you!!!

Tamara on the other forums just posted a new calcium study not done in retrospect ... http://www.ijpcbs.com/files/03-36.pdf
my question is, why do so many studies (admittedly on rodents) find such a strong link?

I do believe calcium/potassium/sodium affect hormones in some way, perhaps blood levels of something as I've seen that suggested in a few places. Just not quite sure what/how!

Thanks for the study there are so many saying it sways. I am thinking of adding it and keeping to the LE diet restrictions some how ? Has anybody else done this? Maybe just in pill form! Maybe a low dose and then get my protein from Milk products oh I don't know!! Do you have to take Mag with Cal?? Or can you just take Cal tablets?

So that study is saying sways boy right?

Wow big claims. Love to hear atomic's view on this. It seems to claim calc mag sways radically girl. But then goes on to say low salt/potassium and high sodium sways girl. I thought salt was sodium???

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Originally Posted by mrs magoo

So that study is saying sways boy right?

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no that's what the abstract says, but reading their results table and all the discussion it says it sways pink so think it must just be a typo in the abstract

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Originally Posted by meeks32

Wow big claims. Love to hear atomic's view on this. It seems to claim calc mag sways radically girl. But then goes on to say low salt/potassium and high sodium sways girl. I thought salt was sodium???

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no I don't get that either.. confusing

aha - http://www.healthaliciousness.com/ar...igh-sodium.php
actually that still doesn't help much

It looks like it has been badly translated into English. I tried to find a better translated version, I found this instead, a study by the same team on rabbits. http://jocpr.com/vol4-iss1-2012/JCPR...-1-719-725.pdf

if only they'd test it on people, huh? ;)

this is interesting: :: Hypoparathyroidism UK ::

It is very poorly written and it contradicts itself several times.

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Originally Posted by nuthinbutpink

It is very poorly written and it contradicts itself several times.

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can't disagree with you there... and if it was the only study I'd seen that had similar findings I'd be ignoring it too :(

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Originally Posted by rainbowflower

no that's what the abstract says, but reading their results table and all the discussion it says it sways pink so think it must just be a typo in the abstract

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That's a pretty big error in writing the report...,

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Originally Posted by mariposa

HI atomic, just wanted to share an interesting article I found (maybe it´s already by here, but if not , here it is!):

Calcium

Calcium is a supplement most often noted for its ability to promote strong bones and teeth. However, this nutrient can have a number of other benefits, including promoting hormone production. According to a study from the December 2008 edition of "Biological Trace Element Research," four weeks of calcium supplementation can support increased testosterone levels.

Magnesium

Magnesium is an essential nutrient that aids in producing energy, activates enzymes and helps regulate the amount of certain other nutrients in your body. In addition, research published in the April 2011 edition of "Biological Trace Element Research" indicates that supplementation with magnesium can promote increased testosterone levels.



I found it here: Vitamin Supplements To Increase Testosterone | LIVESTRONG.COM

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Just re read the entire thread and thought I would remind everyone of this. If nothing atomic said counters the calc mag argument for you, then this should!

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Originally Posted by meeks32

Just re read the entire thread and thought I would remind everyone of this. If nothing atomic said counters the calc mag argument for you, then this should!

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that is reassuring to read, but I still can't get past all the statistics in many studies I've seen. Perhaps something else sways more than testosterone levels?

I can't remember if I replyed already or I just didn't post it but with my medical issues I know sodium in foods is processed and used differently than if you were to eat strait table salt on foods. The body uses it differently maybe thats why salt sways. In saying that I have a problem getting enough and have been told to add a teaspoon a day of table salt to foods now. I had all my boys before that so it wasn't the salt or sodium that gave my all 4 of mine, maybe it contributed to me not having a girl???

I flirted with the idea calcium and mag sway girl, and come back to it frequently, but ultimately keep coming back to the fact it makes sense that low everything tricks our body into thinking we are in famine, and that attracting a girl sperm makes evolutionary sense in times of famine because girl babies require less calories to survive, thus are a safer choice for the body to make, because ultimately we are designed to survive, and for our offspring to survive. Throwing boy in times of high nutrients makes sense to me as well, because they require more calories to survive.

I see the links in those studies and don't discredit them but worry taking the calc mag will trick my body into thinking times are good, despite LE diet. Drinking more milk and so on would only add to that issue so I don't believe it's any good for TTC girl.

For the record although I drank a lot of soy milk with ds1 and ds2, it's LOADED with vitamins and calcium enriched, and I ate a lot of cheese and tons of yoghurt too. So if calc alone swayed, I would have had girls. I did lots of boy things though, multivitamins, extra vit c, orange juice, healthy frequent snacks, ate meat, lots of high nutrient veggies, fave foods were super high in protein or 'good' fats like avocado and other fave veggies and fruits would only have made things worse as I loved oranges, banana, mango, etc etc. so despite the calcium, I was so boy diet it's not even funny.

I have compromised and put dh on calc mag, and cran. Where I only take folic acid and acidophilus. I take iron too because annoyingly I'm deficient but that sways boy so I don't recommend that to anyone.

I've talked about this a lot and I'm not sure anything is accomplished by my doing so further. not my job to convince anyone to take or not take it. cal got me boys and got me ds 4 where I was taking tons. no cal got me dd. everyone should use their own judgment and do what their gut says.

Rainbowflower....I thnk the calcium bit is extremely iffy. Have you read the studies on Omega 6s for sheep? Again iffy. I'm not a rat...I don't spin on a wheel all day. I don't baaaaa in a feild either with some dog nipping my knees. LOL. I guess what I mean is...we do SO MUCH to influence our hormones (don't see rats laying around drinking wine and eating fiddle faddle by the box) so we gotta look at the logic here. The only thing I have stumbled across is women who are estrogen dominant are magnesium deficient (would she please shut up about estrogen?!) but I haven't put that together in my head, nor do I really care to pursue that.
Its like anything in this swaying business....you go lookin' for a study to back up what you believe...you'll probably find it. We gotta figure out which ones make sense. :highfive:

I read this on my FB yesterday and had to have a chuckle...NUMBER ONE...you can link calcium comsumption with just about ANYTHING lol...and NUMBER TWO, look how much milk these Swedes are drinking :holysheep: and they have one of the highest sex ratios in the world.
Drink Your Milk: It Could Help You Win a Nobel Prize | TIME.com

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I read this on my FB yesterday and had to have a chuckle...NUMBER ONE...you can link calcium comsumption with just about ANYTHING lol...and NUMBER TWO, look how much milk these Swedes are drinking :holysheep: and they have one of the highest sex ratios in the world.
Drink Your Milk: It Could Help You Win a Nobel Prize | TIME.com

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Haha gold! Nice one.

Check out this new mice study, shows low calcium = more girls and from a much more reputable source PLOS ONE: Calcium Availability Influences Litter Size and Sex Ratio in White-Footed Mice (Peromyscus leucopus) (thx hopeful monster)

Anyone know how long it takes for calcium to actually absorb in your body and if it's something that needs to be built up over time to make a difference in your nutrient levels? (Sorry that is a long winded question.) When I conceived DS2 I was drinking high fat milk by the gallons (per IG). I was trying for a girl but got a beautiful boy. This baby was a surprise and I was consuming very little calcium EXCEPT for the couple days around ovulation. I drank some brandy with egg nog. Hence the reason we had an oopsie. Lol! I just read that egg nog has more calcium than milk. I know what's done is done but I'm just obsessing. My ultrasound is tomorrow. Eek!

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Anyone know how long it takes for calcium to actually absorb in your body and if it's something that needs to be built up over time to make a difference in your nutrient levels? (Sorry that is a long winded question.) When I conceived DS2 I was drinking high fat milk by the gallons (per IG). I was trying for a girl but got a beautiful boy. This baby was a surprise and I was consuming very little calcium EXCEPT for the couple days around ovulation. I drank some brandy with egg nog. Hence the reason we had an oopsie. Lol! I just read that egg nog has more calcium than milk. I know what's done is done but I'm just obsessing. My ultrasound is tomorrow. Eek!

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If anything the alcohol should sway pink. No vitamins and minerals are absorbed that much that fast, so a few days around o could never outweigh months without. Keep us posted!!

It's not likely that you'd get scads of calcium from some eggnog but there are nutrients in eggnog otherwise that could also sway, plus it's protein and carbs together that keeps your blood sugar up. I don't ever think it comes down to one thing like that though.

When following a strict diet(Paleo) before and during the conception of my darling boy, i was advised to take magnesium supplements (big ones in mgs ( i can look up mgs and brand) No dairy allowed. The only alternative was coconutmilk,i had a lot of that mixed in daily almond-meal-pancakes.

No calcium supplements, but eating 3-4 eggs daily.
Sorry if this info may be confusing! Im a little confused about the influence of nutrition myself... ;-)

Hi! Can you clarify for me what you are concerned about??

A Paleo type diet eating 3-4 eggs a day with coconut milk and almond meal pancakes is very similar to what I would recommend someone eat for a boy. If you are thinking that the lack of dairy is what got you a boy and that this somehow proves that no calcium sways blue, it's nutrients overall that sway blue and there are a LOT of nutrients in that type of diet.

Hey! I understand it's the nutrients in this diet that may sway heavy on blue-team. ( calcium included, ate a lot of green leaf)
It's just that i get a little confused by all of the swaying factors.
So i guess coconut-milk is nutritious..
All together, i was actually following every step of a boy-sway :)
Except for the weight loss.
Since this was nutrients all-over, my guess would be my chances of swaying girl are (a lot) bigger now, as i don't exercise at all, and eat what is considered normal/sloppy. Hours go by without eating these days, always busy and occupied with my son, i can only eat when he's all taken care of. I wonder what i can do to help a future ( december) sway.
I'm not completely sure, but i'm getting curious about a personal plan.
Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear.
Im having a hard time sometimes placing the puzzle-pieces.;-)

I am always happy to answer specific questions!

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Originally Posted by Dragonmother

When following a strict diet(Paleo) before and during the conception of my darling boy, i was advised to take magnesium supplements (big ones in mgs ( i can look up mgs and brand) No dairy allowed. The only alternative was coconutmilk,i had a lot of that mixed in daily almond-meal-pancakes.

No calcium supplements, but eating 3-4 eggs daily.
Sorry if this info may be confusing! Im a little confused about the influence of nutrition myself... ;-)

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I know this is ages old, but I just stumbled across it (since I sought a thread like this to mention that yet another study came out saying more calcium yielded more boys, as well as more potassium resulting in more boys).

I thought I'd note for anyone reading: magnesium is necessary for absorbing Vitamin D, which in turn is necessary for absorbing calcium. Magnesium would be specifically absorbing any calcium well in a low calcium diet, leading to a higher calcium intake than suspected. Adding on to the fact that eggs are calcium rich as well as many veggies, this was not only a nutrious diet as atomic suggested, but also likely an adequate intake of calcium diet as well.

Thanks for posting, I'd love a link if you have a spare moment.

The thing I want to beware of (and this is just as true for me as for anyone) is falling into a trap of reading too much into any one particular mineral or nutrient. Like, yeah, boy moms may have been eating more potassium or calcium but that may very well be because they were eating more of EVERYTHING across the boards and it is the big picture that counts. Since I've seen people getting boys and girls with about every possible combo of nutrient supplements one could possibly imagine, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around any one thing, be it calcium, potassium, even Vit D etc in and of itself, alone, on its own, swaying strongly. Like if a person was eating nothing but lettuce and rice cakes, and took a Vitamin D supp, could they REALLY get a boy because of the Vit D? Probably not. It's a pitfall because people get sooo hung up on things like potassium when it's most likely that the gal eating the most potassium, since it's in everything, is eating the most of everything all together. :)