Why ignore the vinegar douche?

[bluebonnet22]

Just for fun because I'm a science dork, I found another great journal article about why not to douche. It actually explains how douching can cause ectopic AND miscarriage.

"An added concern is that, if douching reduces the density of normal vaginal flora, bacterial vaginosis might develop or there may be a predisposition to colonization by such sexually transmitted pathogens as Neisseria gonorrhoeae or Chlamydia trachomatis, filling the “ecologic niche” (16). Pathogenic bacteria may then ascend into the upper reproductive tract, leading to inflammatory scarring (endometritis, salpingitis, or peritonitis), the principal cause of ectopic pregnancy, early miscarriage, and infertility (16)."

Vaginal Douching: Evidence for Risks or Benefits to Women

So basically douching can increase risk of bacterial vaginosis which is related to ectopic, miscarriage, and yeast infections. I know on IG lots of the women had to take probiotics to ward off the yeast infections caused by all the douching.

[atomic sagebrush]

First reason: Did you see how many people did the douche? Compared to how many did the diet?? And I'd bet that everyone who did the douche DID do diet in some form or another (so that result really ought to be viewed as diet + douche). The folks that choose to do douche are almost always the strictest of the strict in every way and that skews the results badly. Small sample size and not a random sampling. We've seen it happen again and again where something looks super effective and then more people start doing it and the success rate drops like a stone.

Second reason: I can guarantee based on my experience from Ingender where people were douching tons that douching is nowhere near 80% effective. Our stats are great but they are not the end all, be all of swaying info. I base my recommendations on 7 years of observations and not this tiny number of results listed in our stats. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...hts-stats.html

third reason: I've seen people go on douching for YEARS getting BFN. Way lower odds of conception. It is unacceptible to me for any sway tactic for people to spent 6+ months pursuing it. People end up wasting away to nothing doing that.

4th reason: chronic vag infections

5th reason: biologically pH does not add up http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ph-pickle.html

6th reason: unknown safety factor. the level of douching that some were resorting to, to sway gender does NOT feel safe to me. I don't wait around till I've seen people having miscarriages before I stop recommending sway tactics.

7th reason: sanity. People go NUTS over the pH testing that is supposed to come along with douching. On Ingender, there were (many) people (regularly) in tears over pH fluctuations of .5 that could not possibly have made any difference whatsoever. Getting obsessed over little detail oriented projects can ruin sways and more than that, it is just not a nice way to live one's life. http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...ypothesis.html

8th reason: husbands don't like it

No offense taken nor meant but I don't like little remarks like "people keep chanting diet" because I work really hard to help people with good info about all the tactics out there and the safest ways to do that. I have a nice couple of threads on douching and anyone who wants to do it is more than welcome to. We aren't some cultish hive mind where people are shamed into doing sway tactics that aren't right for them (unlike some of the other sites). We run a laid back, relaxed atmosphere around here where the average people are getting pg in a few months instead of years which happens elsewhere and they aren't driving themselves crazy doing it. We include everyone in our numbers regardless of how strictly they swayed. The result of that is that it makes our stats a little lower because we aren't cherry picking the data of who to include and who to leave out. To me, it's more than worth the tradeoff to have this nice, supportive, non-competitve atmosphere where sanity and safety reign supreme.

[atomic sagebrush]

That is the answer I was looking for. I knew surely there must be a reason for it. I sure would like to see the study or statistics that showed that ectopic/miscarriage/yeast infection rate in correlation to that treatment. . Especially since all three of those things are completely different issues.

I don't need to see a study on yeast infections and douching - trust me go onto the Ingender site and you'll find HUNDREDS of posts about them. Not so much here.

RE ectopic/miscarriage, I don't actually think that douching in the way ~most~ PINK swayers do it is really the same type of douching that causes these issues http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gend...hing-safe.html I DO think the douches and stuff used by blue swayers 100% does cause miscarriages - but of course that's a different issue

There were some people doing douching in unsafe ways that was concerning to me. We do have a lot fewer miscarriages on here (for both pink and blue) We can't say why that is, though.

[Mrs_Incredible]

Lime douche back on ig gave me and dh nasty burns/ horrific burning infection. Lucky my dh forgave me and continued ttc after that. 3+ years later it still makes him wince!!

[bluebonnet22]

Lime douche back on ig gave me and dh nasty burns/ horrific burning infection. Lucky my dh forgave me and continued ttc after that. 3+ years later it still makes him wince!!

LOL (not funny, but made me LOL, sorry). Poor poor DH! When I first started researching swaying and found IG I had considered a lime or vinegar douche. When I mentioned it to DH he freaked out.. A LOT.. enough to make me decide against it!

[Mrs_Incredible]

I think he forgave me because i was suffering badly too!! Funny now but it wasn't at the time xx