Choose the sex of your baby

[Tree]

The book by Hazel Chesterman-Phillips

Atomic, I saw on a post the other day where you said you hadn't read this book (couldn't find which post it was to write this, and didn't have time to reply then). I know you had discarded it because its fundamentally about timing, but I think it's worth a read. It is old now so I don't doubt that parts are out of date but with respect to timing it's all in relation to sperm count.

Basically her suggestion (if you want a girl and already have a few boys) is that the making of boys, particularly a few of them born in a row is an indication of high sperm count. The reason therefore I suppose she uses timing, is so the sperm count is significantly reduced by the time ovulation occurs as most sperm will have died. She doesn't give a standard cut off but rather suggests you start with a cut off of 7 days (it may be longer), give that a try for one or two months then drop a day, try for a month or two, and so on - gradually creeping up to ovulation. This is why when I read posts about failed sways with a three day cut off after three boys or whatever I thought well yeah of course you got another boy your husband has a high sperm count. It made a lot of sense to me. I had assumed this was the same as shettles (I've not read that book) and so didn't understand the timing conflict with 0+12. Perhaps 0+12 works because though no sex of sperm are stronger or faster there are generally only going to be some that make it in time thus giving the effect of reduced sperm count?
Of course if you give any weight to the female environment then both a cut off (at a time prior to the fertile mucus, which arrives for each woman at a different time but would be achieved starting with a cut off of over 7 days) and 0+12 (the point at which fertile mucus changes to the lesser/non fertile mucus) would fit in with that. I must say however what I'd be more reluctant to chance it with 0+12 as I'm rather abundant in the cm dept so would likely fail with that one.

I can't remember what she said about diet and frequency and I didn't read the chapters on making boys as I've already got two of them. :-)

Whilst I don't think you'll agree with all aspects I think it is a good contribution to sex selection, particularly as it was written at a time when no other information was really available and as you've said in another post, the lacking of any substantial scientific research.

It seems she had much success and some fails as well - to be expected. It's definitely not a swaying route the less patient person would choose and the thought of a one off attempt close to ovulation with a much higher chance of pregnancy is definitely more appealing (to me anyway)...

[Tree]

Didn't really know where to post this so I've put it here and in research section of dream members.

[inshaallahxx]

Bump

[atomic sagebrush]

I answered in the other section so I'll c and p

Thanks for the heads up, I'll def. give it a read.

Oh, I never meant to "discard" it necessarily, it's just that I had heard it was another timing book and only learned it was about sperm count a few months ago and just haven't had time to track a copy down yet. I actually have read all the available books on gender swaying and have most of them in my personal library.

I gree with your analysis on how timing might work but I do not think it is in any way reliable. I don't think O+12 works AT ALL. I think the vast majority of people who think they got pg from O+12 miscalculated ovulation and there are a thousand posts on IG with people desperately trying to figure out O+12 to prove it. People could get the identical results from BD right on ovulation if it's just a numbers game.

[mommymachine]

I was trying to figure out when I Od a couple of days ago and I was clueless. My NFP instructor says 80% of people ovulate the day after peak day (so the day after pos OPKs. And 20% ovulate 2-3 days after peak day. I had cramping for 48 hours after my surge and I have zero idea when the egg was actually released. I have no idea how women figure out O+12.

[Tree]

The only way I've heard you can figure out 0+12 is by timing 12hours after cervical mucus goes creamy, apparently it changes from EWCM as soon as you've ovulated - though this seems slightly at odds with getting pregnant. Surely if there was even a remote chance of conception right after ovulation your cervical mucus would remain EWCM to optimise chances of pregnancy. In any case I wouldn't trust it.

[atomic sagebrush]

Peak day doesn't always = pos OPK, it's the day you are most fertile and most likely to get pg. This is 1 or 2 days before ovulation.

People ovulate 8-48 hours after pos OPK, average 36.

Sorry I just don't want people to get confused, you aren't typically going to O 3 days after a pos OPK unless the first pos was a faker and then you got the real deal 1-2 days later.

[mommymachine]

Yah I think she worded it how you worded it...sorry! Maybe they just throw the 3rd day in there to be super safe hen your trying to avoid pregnancy

[atomic sagebrush]

The only way I've heard you can figure out 0+12 is by timing 12hours after cervical mucus goes creamy, apparently it changes from EWCM as soon as you've ovulated - though this seems slightly at odds with getting pregnant. Surely if there was even a remote chance of conception right after ovulation your cervical mucus would remain EWCM to optimise chances of pregnancy. In any case I wouldn't trust it.

the assumption that the rate at which your cervix changes or CM goes creamy being 12 hours for every woman on the face of the planet is totally unproven. Great point about the EWCM BTW - if we were able to get pg by BD that late why wouldn't we have had EWCM?

I actually did have EWCM for 2 days after I conceived my DD, ovulation confirmed by ultrasound. If I had waited aroudn till I had creamy CM I wouldn't have her today.

I think if you want to do an O+12 the best way is to just BD 48 hours after first pos OPK and cross your fingers.

[atomic sagebrush]

Yah I think she worded it how you worded it...sorry! Maybe they just throw the 3rd day in there to be super safe hen your trying to avoid pregnancy

Yes or plus some people are doing NFP to TRY to get pg!