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BeadinMom
September 15th, 2013, 06:06 PM
Hey ladies!!!
We just got back from a family trip...
We took the boys on a big vacation since we won't be able to do it again for a while with the new baby.

How is everybody??

Yesterday was a long car ride...my feet were so swollen last night I cried because they were ugly.
LOL...my DH said they looked like two big meatloafs. Jerk!! ;) LOL

onthepond
September 15th, 2013, 07:58 PM
Welcome back Beadin!!!

Tree
September 16th, 2013, 02:10 AM
Hi ladies... Been checking in but not had too much too report. Lately I've felt very up and down, not sure what its all about really but assuming the pregnancy hormones have something to do with it. Started worrying again about the baby too, its like I have worry cycles!

Emily
September 16th, 2013, 03:44 AM
Hi ladies I have finally made up my mind and am going back to the Uk to deliver. A lady here just put it all in perspective - in a few years you won't regret going back but if you stay and something goes wrong you will regret it forever.

I will hate being away from DS1and DH but they are going to come over for 6 weeks too so we will get to spend Christmas New Year and everyone's birthdays together.

Tree
September 16th, 2013, 04:07 AM
Hi ladies I have finally made up my mind and am going back to the Uk to deliver. A lady here just put it all in perspective - in a few years you won't regret going back but if you stay and something goes wrong you will regret it forever.

I will hate being away from DS1and DH but they are going to come over for 6 weeks too so we will get to spend Christmas New Year and everyone's birthdays together.

Well done! You must feel so much better for just having made a decision about it. And I think you're right, safety of bubs is best, you'd just worry otherwise. It will also be a lovely opportunity to catch up with your friends over here. Where do you plan on having your baby?

I Love Ladybugs
September 16th, 2013, 08:52 AM
I am just checking in....tomorrow is the echo and scan date, with Wednesday being the follow-up appts with the specialists. I have been laying low because I feel like I will bring down a group, even IRL, I have been chilling out by myself and just waiting for the next couple of days/weeks to be here.

Emily...I am relieved with your decision!! As in happy, excited and breathing a sigh of closure for you....you are going to have a more relaxed pregnancy and L&D because of not having to think of all the options until she arrives!!!!

Beadin'....awesome to take a vacay! Are you feeling rested?

On the pond...you about covered it for the second time round momma!! I think that it is crazy that your hubby does not know...if only him or I would have found out about baby girl here by ourselves, it would have come out within minutes!!

Myrainbowgirl....I have been thinking of you lots...and reading/seeing rainbows in my kids' books. Your newest little treasure is going to make your life so interesting!!!!!

BeadinMom
September 16th, 2013, 10:15 AM
LadyBugs, please keep us posted...
Will be thinking of you!! XO

Soar
September 16th, 2013, 03:40 PM
Hi there! So glad someone is still here! I think you have everything covered! Looks like you have it all thought out! How has the keeping the secret been going? Have you almost slipped a couple of times? When we knew the baby was a girl before our reveal party I almost slipped like 4 or 5 times and I only had to hold it for 48 hours! :-)

myrainbowgirl
September 16th, 2013, 04:24 PM
Onthepond - Yep, that sounds about right!

Ladybugs - You are so sweet to think of me. I'm still seeing rainbows, too...gotta still believe God's promise! (Not that this is a girl, but that he will be SO special and that the girl is coming. :)) Good luck for all your appointments tomorrow and Wednesday. Will pray that all is well!!

Beadin - Glad you had a great trip! Yuck on the swollen feet! Still feeling good about being team green? Were you with your boys??

Emily - I think you made a good decision...you will be in good hands! And yay that your hubby and kiddos will get to come visit. Sounds like the perfect solution!

Tree - Sorry you've been emotionally up & down. It's just pregnancy hormones! Your little lady will be just fine!


AFM - Not much to report...next appointment is Sept. 30th, my big ultrasound. It's going so fast!

I Love Ladybugs
September 17th, 2013, 05:28 PM
Quick update.....

Although I did not see the doctor I will tomorrow at the appt, the echo went well...."indistinguishable from normal"!!!!!! And the left kidney still looks good, but the right kidney has obvious big cysts on the top....and the bladder was making them puzzled. Don't think it is a big deal, but not sure yet

I will be happy tomorrow to hear similar words from those doctors....just a matter of chilling out and waiting.

Waiting4Daisy
September 18th, 2013, 02:43 PM
Hi ladies sorry it has been crazy at work!

Emily hooray for delivering in the uk. Sounds a safer decision.
Ladybugs what fantastic news!
Rainbow hooray for all the rainbows.

Think we have picked our names. Daisy for a girl and Flynn for a boy. Flynn means red headed boy and all my little lads are strawberry blonde like mummy!

Hope everyone is good and doing well. Cook little babies! I mean in our bellies not in an oven or anything creepy like that.

I Love Ladybugs
September 19th, 2013, 12:12 AM
Today was not exactly as I would have planned it...lol, I got lost on the walk, gave a few extra miles on my legs and had to run part of the way. I am so sore thanks to that...I was just lucky with how late they were with the appts.

The first appt. was a blow...we had been talking VBAC/hometown, now because they want a pediatrician to assess in the first 24 hours, I should be delivering her in the "big city" about an hour away. The problem I see is winter weather....and the scary side of it if that is when I begin labour and if I can get there in time. It would be safer to be in my own hospital with what is needed than on the highway!!

That specialist would not listen to any of my concerns, told me what she felt I needed to "know" to be "informed" and then waltzed out of the room. Talk about not making it any easier...I at least have a week before my visit with my MD to get a feel on all of this.

The second appt basically stated what I already know....and for the hours of waiting, vs 10 mins being seen made for a less than fruitful visit. But he was nice and considerate....liked his approach! And he did let me know a little more of the long term part of the upper pole in terms of options like surgery vs. monitoring. The best news of the day is that my next scan takes place in the "big" city an hour away at 33 weeks...just as I am on mat. leave! Makes for a much better time than being away from my boys for 5 days at a time. :)

Now just for a day on the road tomorrow and home to my boys!! I can't wait to snuggle them!!!

Mathilde
September 20th, 2013, 06:49 AM
Well, I´m back:) Tried staying away until my scan in 1,25hrs time... it didn´t help.. Have been really out of it lately,especially the last couple of days, being a right terror to DH, who can not do anything about it anyway. Feeling like I´m going in for a death sentence, or being pushed off a boat in the dark of night into the vast ocean... Glad to read you are getting better Rainbow, it will be ok in the end. Otherwise, getting a little bigger, but not much, and feeling regular kicks as long as I take it easy, if I stress around my tummy goes hard and I dont feel anything for days..

Huge congrats to you lucky girls with your girls! So very envious, as you understand, in a good way:)

Well, here goes nothing!

Mathilde

Am3a
September 20th, 2013, 07:57 AM
Well, I´m back:) Tried staying away until my scan in 1,25hrs time... it didn´t help.. Have been really out of it lately,especially the last couple of days, being a right terror to DH, who can not do anything about it anyway. Feeling like I´m going in for a death sentence, or being pushed off a boat in the dark of night into the vast ocean... Glad to read you are getting better Rainbow, it will be ok in the end. Otherwise, getting a little bigger, but not much, and feeling regular kicks as long as I take it easy, if I stress around my tummy goes hard and I dont feel anything for days..

Huge congrats to you lucky girls with your girls! So very envious, as you understand, in a good way:)

Well, here goes nothing!

Mathilde

Aw Mathilde - talk about leaving us hanging!!!!

Thinking of you!

Let us know...................

Waiting4Daisy
September 20th, 2013, 08:01 AM
Good luck on your scan Mathilde. Hope you have a great surprise and hear girl.

Tree
September 20th, 2013, 09:00 AM
Good Luck Mathilde!!

onthepond
September 20th, 2013, 09:39 AM
GOOOOOOOOOOD LUCK Mathilde!

Mathilde
September 20th, 2013, 12:48 PM
Thank you all, but to no avail, all blue and me too.. He was beautiful, had DS1´s nose and DS2´s thighs, I love him and am looking forward to seeing him in 4,5 months time. As you know, its complicated and for me a two sided story: I should not have made him, as I do not want anything but a girl, now he is a fact and he is a he, and I do love him. I have two boys and am having a third, it´s not going to be any better or worse than it already is. On the other side, this little man is taking up my last chance with the love of my life. I am young, and fertile and can have more babies with whoever wants to have them with me, but the ship has sailed with DH. Isn´t it terrible to even be thinking of attempting again in 8 years time with another man??? I wished with all my might to experience the absolute lifetime high with my one and only, but it is not going to be.. Am going to find a name this evening for this unlucky little man, poor guy to be born my son, but he is not alone to share that fate..
I do not like any boys names, my two are named after polar explorers, had to have a theme there and am considering William(a bit boring I find), Olav(too viking for my taste) and Bjørn(to massive, means bear..) I love my DH´s name, but don´t want to be using the name of my beloved for being strict and fussing in the future. DH has resigned, is disappointed in me and the vast hopelessness of the situation. We will get over this too, as we have so many other things. I can´t believe I too am going to end up as that lady in the GD forum a grandmother to only my sons children.. Have promised myself to buy a horse for my 40´th birthday in 8 years time, as consolation. A beautiful thoroughbred mare, bay colored and young.
As he lay with his head deep down towards my cervix the sonographer had to push the probe a little hard to get the right measurements, and am feeling sore on the right side of my uterus now.
Thank you for listening
Mathilde

Waiting4Daisy
September 20th, 2013, 01:46 PM
Hugs Mathilde. I am more and more sure this baby is my fourth little boy and while I know I will be ok with that, I sure do ache for a girl. I always thought DH would let me go for a fifth to try and get a girl and I think he would, but also what if I had five boys? I feel I have the patience for five but not sure my hubby does and I don't want us to be a stressed out family.

I'm glad he was gorgeous. I felt very numb with ds3 but there is something very special about him I just can't quite explain. Huge hugs

myrainbowgirl
September 23rd, 2013, 06:17 PM
Hi ladies! Just popping in to say hi!

Mathilde - Replied on the other thread...so sorry you didn't hear pink, but so happy DH is willing to try for another!! I know that it keeps me going, too. :)

Hope everyone's doing well, nothing new here. Big scan on Wednesday...looking forward to seeing little man. :)

black&gold
September 24th, 2013, 01:48 PM
Hope everyone is doing well! Getting so close now it feels! I can't believe it's already the 3rd trimester for some of us!

I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't know the gender... or maybe there is 1 or 2 more of you! I am so beyond clueless I have no idea what to expect. I totally think it'll be a boy because I doubt I make anything else (and it's impossible to picture actually having a girl) but my heart tells me it's a girl. I guess we'll be a little surprised either way!

This one is a little mover, just like my other two. I'm starting to wonder if I just have a really uncomfortable uterus because all 3 of my babies have been very wiggly in the womb - DS1 is a wild child, but DS2 is as calm as they come!

Hope everyone is doing well and all scans are showing healthy happy babies!

Soar
September 24th, 2013, 03:44 PM
Hi ladies! I haven't been on here in ages! I am still adjusting to the back to school routine! Busy bees!

Mathlide-Sending you big (((hugs))). Sounds like DH is on board for another that's awesome! I love big families! I would have more in a heart beat!

Rainbow-excited to hear about your sono Wednesday! Hopefully you get the tech that lets you visit with the baby a long time!!!!

Black&Gold-I admire your staying team green! The delivery room energy is going to be so fun and exciting!

Ladybugs-great news on your latest dr appt!

Emily-I'm sure you are so happy and relived to have a plan! Now it's just putting it all into action!

Fall weather has set in and I am loving the 85-90 degree weather! I'll take that over 110 any day!

meeks32
September 24th, 2013, 05:37 PM
Hi everyone! Sorry I've been reading but not able to post.

Mathilde, so sorry for your disappointment but agree DH sounds amazing and big families are awesome, you will get your girl for sure then feel this baby was a bonus. I feel that about ds2.

Nice to hear from everyone else, I am keeping up but not always finding time to reply.

So we had our 19 week anatomy scan yesterday, it's still a girl! I feel like I've just been told for the first time, because I didn't want to believe it before now, just in case, especially because at 10 weeks it looked boy. I feel like now I had a girl nub at 12w, girl at 15 w scan and 19 w scan, SURELY it can't be wrong, right? People keep telling me stories about how their friend was told girl then it came out a boy. WHY DO THEY SAY THIS? I was feeling confident and now after those comments I feel like it could still be taken away. I feel like THEY are taking it away from me, and I'm mad. I just want to nest, and organise, but feel I'm tempting fate by doing so. Like if I want it so much, something has to go wrong.

Salsa
September 25th, 2013, 03:11 PM
Totally board crashing here. But congrats again Meeks!! And don't worry about those comments. People always seem to have the need to shock people, not realizing how insensitive it is! Coming from a radiography background, as long as you had your scan at a reputable place. They almost never get it wrong these days. You don't know where this friend of a friend went to get their scan done! Try to put it out of your head! You're having your girl!!! Celebrate!!!! Woohoo!!!!

meeks32
September 25th, 2013, 10:15 PM
Totally board crashing here. But congrats again Meeks!! And don't worry about those comments. People always seem to have the need to shock people, not realizing how insensitive it is! Coming from a radiography background, as long as you had your scan at a reputable place. They almost never get it wrong these days. You don't know where this friend of a friend went to get their scan done! Try to put it out of your head! You're having your girl!!! Celebrate!!!! Woohoo!!!!

Thanks hon, yes we had it done at a very reputable place and I was stoaked because we got the same tech as when I had ds2. She is super switched on, been doing it 15 years but still young enough to be enthusiastic, and has 3 kids herself and explains everything as she goes. Amazing! She checked 3 times before checking obviously and telling us it's a girl. Then froze it on a crop and explained all the girl bits etc so there was no doubt. She also pointed out where cord was as we changed perspective so there was no "omg what is that" moments.

At 15 weeks my scan that said girl was at my ob's office so I was less inclined to trust him despite it being laughably girly, like "leg-blankopenspace-leg" and the nurse friend I had with me, the ob, AND my midwife all said girl for sure.

I think the fact I swayed and wanted one so bad has made me super sensitive to it being wrong (taken away from me). Also super hormonal which always helps, NOT.

MsSherE
September 26th, 2013, 12:40 AM
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I been obsessing over the Nub Theory for about a week now. It's too hard for me to tell with this pic, does anyone else have an idea, boy/girl ? I will post too my 12 wk photo

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I Love Ladybugs
September 26th, 2013, 01:14 AM
Two second quick update....VBAC is on!!!! My MD was awesome today and will support me in this decision...can post more details after work tomorrow, but need to go to bed ASAP!!!

myrainbowgirl
September 27th, 2013, 12:06 AM
Black&gold - I admire you for being team green. Were you with your first two boys? Glad DC#3 is letting you feel his/her presence! I am looking forward to when I start feeling DS4 move more...the best part of pregnancy, by far!

Meeks - Answered on the other thread...just ignore those comments, you're having a girl! :) I'm sure it's hard not to worry, but just think about how different this little baby looked on your ultrasound. Nothing like your boys! No worries. :)

Ladybugs - Also answered on the other thread...yay for the VBAC!! So exciting!

MsSherE - I don't see a nub in this pic. Sorry!

AFM - Had my big ultrasound yesterday, and he is still a HE! :) I truly wasn't expecting anything else, so felt completely fine about it. I had actually been a little worried that something was wrong, because I have been feeling so little movement (anterior placenta). SO, I was so happy that everything looked great, I really didn't care about gender. I was also glad that it was clear and not ambiguous...that would have been WAY worse! Got him some baby bedding in the afternoon at a gigantic consignment sale in our town, that only happens twice a year. I had never gone to one, but a friend told me I could in without paying the entrance fee and go early since I am pregnant. I was a part-time teacher, but quit my job at the end of the school year (too stressful with the kids)...so we are trying to cut back in little ways. Thought I would give the consignment sale a try...OMG, it was AWESOME!! There was tons of bedding, and I found a very cute set that looked brand new...$14 included a bumper, crib skirt, toddler pillow sham, and 3 crib sheets. Also picked up some cute maternity clothes for CHEAP, as well as some books and games for the boys for Christmas. Anyway, getting baby's bedding has helped me already start planning who's going to be in which room and how the furniture will be arranged, etc. Need to start getting serious about a name, too. Of course, that's a joint discussion with DH, so I guess we'll get around to it when we can, lol. But SO happy DS4 is healthy and I'm starting to "settle in" with this baby. I am blessed!

Am3a
September 27th, 2013, 10:20 AM
Hope everyone is doing well! Getting so close now it feels! I can't believe it's already the 3rd trimester for some of us!

I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't know the gender... or maybe there is 1 or 2 more of you! I am so beyond clueless I have no idea what to expect. I totally think it'll be a boy because I doubt I make anything else (and it's impossible to picture actually having a girl) but my heart tells me it's a girl. I guess we'll be a little surprised either way!

This one is a little mover, just like my other two. I'm starting to wonder if I just have a really uncomfortable uterus because all 3 of my babies have been very wiggly in the womb - DS1 is a wild child, but DS2 is as calm as they come!

Hope everyone is doing well and all scans are showing healthy happy babies!

Hi B&G, I'm a team greeny, too!

So glad I am, though at the same time I am desperate to find out! I had 2 surprises in the delivery room with my 2 boys - I need that unknown factor - especially since I have to have Caesars and I knew months before what each babies birthdate would be, even the time they would be born.

I'm with you on heart vs head whether it's a girl or boy.

Mine heart says girl. I think mainly out of wanting a girl. I thought ds2 was a girl so my instincts aren't reliable!!

Good luck with the rest of your team green pregnancy! I'll be very curious to hear what your little one is! :-)

black&gold
September 27th, 2013, 10:35 AM
Hi B&G, I'm a team greeny, too!

So glad I am, though at the same time I am desperate to find out! I had 2 surprises in the delivery room with my 2 boys - I need that unknown factor - especially since I have to have Caesars and I knew months before what each babies birthdate would be, even the time they would be born.

I'm with you on heart vs head whether it's a girl or boy.

Mine heart says girl. I think mainly out of wanting a girl. I thought ds2 was a girl so my instincts aren't reliable!!

Good luck with the rest of your team green pregnancy! I'll be very curious to hear what your little one is! :-)

Ha, I'm the same - I don't know if I trust my "heart" instincts because I can't say with either DS if I totally knew it was a boy or more just assumed. I know I thought DS2 might be a girl because my sister and SIL both had boys when I had DS1, and they were both pregnant with me again for our seconds and were both told boy so I assumed I had to get a girl.. no way there could be six boys.. but still felt like it'd be a boy. Anyways, my sister was wrongly told boy (it was really early) and she's the one that ended up having the girl! So yah, I can't say I really trust my instincts!

I'm so happy we are team green, but just want to know already! We found out for both our other boys at 20 weeks and hated the experience both times that we swore if we had a third we'd go team green. This time we just really strongly didn't feel right about finding out for some weird reason so we just left it! I'm pretty excited since I'm literally 50/50 on the fence so it'll be a surprise either way and I'm totally ready to welcome a 3rd boy if that's what we've been blessed with :)

Can't wait to hear what you have either!!!

Waiting4Daisy
September 29th, 2013, 06:22 PM
I'm also team green girls! Got my big scan on Thursday and still not finding out though I'll prob peek for clues!

I have had a very different pregnancy this time and I had a weird poss nub/poss not a nub shot that I thought looked boy but seems to be fifty fifty. Skull looks different and yet my head tells me of course it's a boy cos I dont make girls!

I want Thursday done in a way so I've no other opportunities to break down and try to find out. I will not get a private gender scan as had bad experience with them last time so if I can last Thursday then I am on the home stretch!

Soar
September 30th, 2013, 04:48 PM
Hey there! Been checking in here and just wanted to say hi!

Waiting4Daisy I has pregnancy symptoms at 6DPO. I waited till 12DPO but I already knew. An early positive is hopefully a sign of your girl! :-)

AFM-25 weeks and just ready for it to be January! Went to my check up today and have high blood pressure readings. Ugh....we will see how this all plays out. Trying to keep bed rest out until 3rd trimester! Crossing fingers. Next appt is the glucose test. Anybody else up for that test soon? I had a friend you got to do the jelly beans instead of the drink but dr wasn't buying into the idea. Glucose drink it is then.

Have a good week!

Waiting4Daisy
October 1st, 2013, 03:44 PM
Soar got my bfp at 8 dpo so fingers crossed but after three boys I don't have much hope x

two1984
October 2nd, 2013, 07:01 AM
Hi
Wondering if i can join you ladies? Hope everyone is well!
I am due 3rd February apparently with a girl-after 2 boys i am having a hard time believing it. Doesn't help that i wasn't watching the screen when the tech did the gender determination, we have booked a scan for saturday so I can see for myself. Hopefully tech at 21 weeks was right! :suprise:
Soar - I also have a glucose tolerance test to come, not sure when as haven't received my appointment yet. I had to do one with DS2 and had to drink what tasted like lucozade (really horrid stuff).

Soar
October 2nd, 2013, 07:29 AM
Waiting4daisy-I read somewhere that after 3 your reset button kicks in and you have a great chance at the opposite gender!!!! Hoping that means the same for you!

Two1984-of course you can join us! Congrats on your daughter! We also had doubts with our initial scan at 20 weeks so went for another scan at 24 weeks and she is still a she! I am sure you have nothing to worry about but a second scan can give you piece of mind! Go for it!

Soar
October 2nd, 2013, 07:29 AM
Waiting4daisy-I read somewhere that after 3 your reset button kicks in and you have a great chance at the opposite gender!!!! Hoping that means the same for you!

Two1984-of course you can join us! Congrats on your daughter! We also had doubts with our initial scan at 20 weeks so went for another scan at 24 weeks and she is still a she! I am sure you have nothing to worry about but a second scan can give you piece of mind! Go for it!

two1984
October 2nd, 2013, 08:41 AM
Soar - Thanks for telling me that, glad I am not the only one! My husband just rolled his eyes when i booked the scan and said i should just trust the doctor. She did check twice to be sure. Hopefully she didn't miss something! We will be taking our boys to the scan so they can see baby too, my eldest (5) is really excited.

Waiting4daisy - I had really early positives with this one and the girl I miscarried at 17 weeks. I felt pregnant both times before the positive test too. With my boys I think the tests went positive after my period was due, I certainly had no idea I was pregnant either as had no symptoms with them. We were trying so I was testing but each time i was shocked. I never had morning sickness with my boys or the baby we lost at 13 weeks. This pregnancy and the one before (girl) I have had random bouts of extreme nausea even now still at 22 weeks.

Feeling really anxious this pregnancy, is anyone else? I haven't felt a lot of movement over the last few days, but was told that my placenta is anterior so I guess that must be it. I did have an anterior placenta with my youngest but I was so relaxed that pregnancy I don't remember being at all concerned at any point about movements. I think the two miscarriages recently are probably making me extra paranoid.

I haven't bought anything for the baby yet either, and really not sure if I will as it feels like tempting fate a bit, which is silly because we bought tonnes of stuff for both boys after our 20 week scan and it never crossed my mind not to. We do have a lot of stuff left from our boys in the loft so probably don't need to buy much anyway, but if it is a girl, then some pink clothes would be cute - I just can't bring myself to buy anything right now.

I really admire everyone who is staying team green. We did that for our first and it was such a wonderful surprise when he was born and really exciting. We did find out the gender of our second son. With this one I wanted to know but chickened out in the scan room, the tech agreed to write it on a bit of paper. She wrote it down but didn't conceal it very well before putting it in the envelope so I saw it. I suppose it was just as well that we wanted to know, otherwise that would have been annoying!

two1984
October 2nd, 2013, 08:41 AM
Just realised how long and rambly that was.. whoops! sorry!

black&gold
October 2nd, 2013, 09:21 AM
Soar- I've heard the same thing about your body resetting after #3 so hopefully that means good things for you waitingfordaisy!

two1984 - Congrats on a girl, that's amazing! I found out the earliest I have at 8 or 9DPO this pregnancy and there was no squinting needed. I always had to wait with my 2 boys until at least after 10DPO, DS1 was 15DPO. I'm hoping that's a good sign for girl (we're team green!) I've also experienced so much anxiety this pregnancy it's unreal. All my girlfriends think I'm having a girl because of this (they had horrible anxiety in their girl pregnancies). It's also completely irrational what I'm worrying about and some mornings I'll wake up with a sick butterfly anxiety feeling and have no idea why and it'll last all day. It's definitely hard to deal with when your pregnancy - I completely understand!

onthepond
October 2nd, 2013, 10:53 AM
Ladies, back from our anatomy scan and baby looks perfect - so so thankful for this, but I did find out that I have placenta previa :( I am devastated and scared...I am now 19 weeks, does anyone know anything about this or experienced this? I see my doctor this afternoon but honestly I am just terrified now. Thanks!

Tree
October 2nd, 2013, 02:16 PM
Onthepond try not to worry, there is still plenty of time for the placenta to move and normally they do!!

Waiting4Daisy
October 2nd, 2013, 05:09 PM
No idea about the placenta previa, hope it moves Hun.

I have been very sick this pregnancy, wasn't anything but a tiny but queasy with my boys. I have horrible anxiety anyway but it's been at peak recently I have scratched myself to bits with itching which I think is caused by stress lol! Also keep getting dry retching moments even at nearly 22 weeks like you guys, certain smells etc :-( Urgh!

Thanks, I have not heard that about the reset but tbh I think I am most likely having another little boy which is why I'm happy to stay team green. Not ready for the girl dream to be over yet!

Two so sorry on your other loss, no wonder you are so anxious. I'm sure she is a shexxxx

onthepond
October 2nd, 2013, 07:28 PM
Just got back from my dr visit - I have complete placenta previa meaning the entire opening to my cervix is covered by the placenta. My dr said the placenta is literally right on top of it. Outlook for it moving doesn't sound good - have another ultrasound at 27 weeks (8 weeks from today). PLEASE ladies, say a prayer for me and baby if you'd be willing. I just need to be able to enjoy this pregnancy a bit and not be scared every minute.

I hope you're all doing better than I am today!

black&gold
October 2nd, 2013, 08:22 PM
Just got back from my dr visit - I have complete placenta previa meaning the entire opening to my cervix is covered by the placenta. My dr said the placenta is literally right on top of it. Outlook for it moving doesn't sound good - have another ultrasound at 27 weeks (8 weeks from today). PLEASE ladies, say a prayer for me and baby if you'd be willing. I just need to be able to enjoy this pregnancy a bit and not be scared every minute.

I hope you're all doing better than I am today!

At 19 weeks I was told I had a low lying placenta - I guess anything within 2cm of the cervix. I was supposed to have another scan at 28 weeks but my doctor decided to wait until 32 weeks so in the next 2 weeks I'll know if it moved. From what I read (I was freaking out too!) it is less likely for a full previa to move, but it still sometimes does. I also don't really remember reading much about it being bad for the baby. I just think you may get instructions to be more careful (no sex, no working out, etc.) Although I was told like 99% mine would move, I'm still scared as my placenta is also anterior.. which means if I do need a c-section it's a lot more complicated because they basically have to cut through the placenta to get to the baby which can cause so many issue. Gah, feeling sick thinking about it. I have my fingers crossed for both of us that we are okay!!!

Waiting4Daisy
October 3rd, 2013, 01:08 PM
Oh onthepond I am praying for you and baby. Sorry I don't know anything about this.

Had 20 week scan - no peeking! Tho dh did and thinks he may have seen scrotum! I will now pester him with loads of potty shots to determine what he saw lol

myrainbowgirl
October 3rd, 2013, 06:44 PM
two1984 - Welcome! Congrats on your little pink bundle! I really can't say I relate to the feeling of tempting fate by buying pink stuff...I'm having my 4th boy! BUT, if I ever to get pg with a girl, I think I will understand. :) Try not to be anxious...just enjoy your sweet little one and this pregnancy! Congrats again!

Soar - Hope you're enjoying the high of finding out pink. Aaahh, I hope it's me one day. I will probably buy every little pink or purple outfit I can get my hands on...so hard to even wrap my head around the possibility after 4 boys. Enjoy every moment!

Black&gold - Fx your placenta continues to move up. Mine did with DS1...pretty sure that when it's not a full previa, the likelihood is excellent for it to move. Don't worry!

Onthepond - I am so sorry to hear about your previa! Assuming it doesn't move, that means a C-section, right? Have your other births been c's? Will pray for you and your sweet little one!

Waiting4Daisy - So glad your scan went so well. WHY did DH get to look but not YOU?? Lol! Was it an accident? Anyway, scrotum but no penis may just mean swollen girl parts. Holding out hope for you!!

AFM - Doing fine. Still only feeling minimal movement, but definitely can tell when I am feeling him...I'm hoping that maybe he's a laid-back little guy. My DS2 is, and I just love his sweet little self!! He is so much easier than my other 2. :) Of course, DS2 is never in a hurry, including with learning to be fully trustworthy when it comes to potty issues. He mostly has trouble at night...he still wears pull-ups to bed (turned 4 in August), and couldn't care less about staying dry. Honestly, he pees THROUGH them half the time. Urrrrghh, so frustrating. But he is a sweet pea other than that!! Maybe this little guy will be laid back without the potty issues. A girl can hope!

Soar
October 3rd, 2013, 11:03 PM
Onthepond-if you have a c section it's not terrible. I have had 2 and will have a other with this baby as well. Here are some positives in case it comes to that...baby is perfect no bruising or dents since they don't pass thru and get squeezed! Also you can look pretty with your hair done and make up on for that first picture! I know these are all vain comments but you gotta find the positive in everything! :-) stay strong hopefully it will move!!!

Rainbow-oh I know about the potty issues! My DS1 will NOT wipe after he goes number 2! I am beside myself on how to teach him to do this! He screams mom mom mom I need your help mom mom mom. I'm done come help me mom mom mom! Ugh....when will he figure this out and how do I get him to do this by himself?????

I just went to a consignment store as a seller for the first time! So far so good! I need some room in this house! So far my total is $63 and there are two more days!!!!! Come on buyers come get my junk!!!!

two1984
October 4th, 2013, 05:10 AM
HI hope everyone is doing well?

Black and Gold - I had no idea that anxiety could be pregnancy related. I have the same most mornings too and and can never find a good reason for it. Its horrid, and I hope it goes away soon for both of us. It is keeping me awake at night now too, so tiredness isn't helping. I really hope your placenta moves out the way, at least you will get to see baby again at the scan.

Onthepond - SO glad baby is looking good, but so sorry to hear about your placenta previa, how worrying. My SIL had it with her twins and had to have a csection because of it. Everything was fine and she speaks very highly of the birth too, it was much better than the normal delivery she had with her first. I will pray for you that your placenta is one of the ones that moves though!

Myrainbowgirl - congrats on your fourth boy. That is so special. I am one of three girls and we had a great time growing up. I actually cried when this one wasn't a boy because I was so convinced it was and my boys want another brother - I was sad for them. They still say they don't like girls... sigh. With regards to tempting fate, i think it is more to do with the miscarriage I had at the start of the year. I stupidly never would have thought something would go wrong at 17 weeks and we would lose the baby, I am just so worried that the same will again :( The due date of this baby is 3rd feb '14 and we lost the baby on 4 feb 2012 - which really isn't helping at all. I think I really need to get a grip and quit being so negative.

Waiting4daisy - good job not peeking but how funny of your husband to look! It was me peeking at our 21 week scan and my husband with his eyes shut! i thought I saw a penis at some point, so imagine my surprise when we found out it is supposedly a girl.

Scan tomorrow morning and I am nervous, which is crazy. Baby was fine a week ago, so no reason for anything to be different. But I am worried..! I used to love the scan appointments with my boys, now they just make me nervous :(

two1984
October 4th, 2013, 05:22 AM
Myrainbowgirl - DS1 just turned 5 and he still wears nappies at night, he has zero interest in being dry at night! So frustrating and we have tried all sorts to get him to stop needing them. So lazy! He also refuses to wipe his bum after number two and yells for me! grrrr.. He had been potty trained since he was nearly 2 so I have no idea why this is taking so long! If you find an answer let me know. It looks like DS2 isn't going to be much better, he is 2 and is potty trained. However, he demands a nappy to do his number 2 in. I don't really understand it because he is happy to sit on the toilet to do his wees! Nursery are at a loss too. I have visions of still having a 5 year old asking for a nappy to poo in, and a teenager still in nappies at night, can you imagine??

Emily
October 4th, 2013, 05:39 AM
Urgh fir the number two issues ladies! DS1 still wants me to do it at age 5.5 but have managed to scale down my involvement to checking:) i herad about a psychological issue some kids have with their poos dropping into water the way it does on the loo. At the time I thought it was nonsense but maybe not? How about putting a nappy liner in a potty and seeing if they will use that. It means you just have to lift the liner and then wash the potty rather than having to wash actual poo off!

All i know about placenta previa is that they monitor you more closely and pretty much always do a C section. If that is what happens it will be controlled, safe and you will have peace of mind for you and your baby. Victoria Beckham has chosen a ceasarian every time so they must have their advantages!

Waiting4Daisy
October 4th, 2013, 11:35 AM
Rainbow I made him look at endless boy and girl potty shots so he def didnt see a willy and doesn't think it looked like a boy shot so it was either scrotum, labia or cord so guess we are none the wiser!

Funnily enough she said we could look and it was a potty shot with legs close together and no bits sticking out. Then she asked what we had and I said three boys. I said I wanted a girl but hubby wanted a boy and DH said he didn't care. Then she smiled and said oh I think if you got a little girl you'd be very smitten. Think it was just polite conversation though!

Dreamofpink
October 4th, 2013, 11:41 AM
So sorry for the lack of personals ladies. I really hope you're all keeping well. :wave:
We finally exchanged contracts on our house a week ago & will be getting the keys to our new house next Friday. As you can imagine it is manic here & DH isn't allowed anytime off work except for the day before moving day. He has to go in for night shift on moving day!

Anyway, I went for my 31 week check-up today & was told that I have a happy baby! Always wonderful to hear. I was measuring a week ahead though & am above the 90th percentile. I was told not to worry at all but can't help thinking we're in for a bruiser this time! I forgot to ask the midwife when we are encouraged to write our birth plan in the UK. Does anyone know? I remember writing one with ds2 but that was over 4 years ago & I'm not sure if anything's changed. :)

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Waiting4Daisy
October 4th, 2013, 11:41 AM
He peeked by accident! Tech said look straight ahead and he thought she meant at the screen.

black&gold
October 4th, 2013, 02:10 PM
Rainbow I made him look at endless boy and girl potty shots so he def didnt see a willy and doesn't think it looked like a boy shot so it was either scrotum, labia or cord so guess we are none the wiser!

Funnily enough she said we could look and it was a potty shot with legs close together and no bits sticking out. Then she asked what we had and I said three boys. I said I wanted a girl but hubby wanted a boy and DH said he didn't care. Then she smiled and said oh I think if you got a little girl you'd be very smitten. Think it was just polite conversation though!

Sounds like she did a good job to not give away any details! Our tech left me totally clueless! She never once told us to look away but I was so scared I'd see something that I was squinting the entire scan to blur what I was seeing LOL! She totally said at one point "and there's the leg bone" and she was measuring it, but there was only one on the screen so it's like she cut out the crotch and we only saw leg. At the very end she said while moving the wand around "and gender, oh right.. you don't want to know" and then quickly moved away. I'm like what? does she not already know.. gahhhh! Seriously, I hate the scans.. it's torture. I kept thinking I saw balls or penis even when she was measuring the head! I'm glad your still out of the loop because that makes it fun.. but now you'll be wondering forever what it was that DH saw!

Waiting4Daisy
October 4th, 2013, 02:14 PM
Lol black&gold I'm thrilled to be doing team green. It feels like the right thing to do and I feel like I was told to do it in the dream!

Luckily she was only looking there briefly for thigh bone. I saw no bits and pieces but I know that doesn't mean anything! Dh said def didn't see a willy so I think we are still on for surprise baby! Probably still be blue though x

meeks32
October 4th, 2013, 06:12 PM
Soar - Thanks for telling me that, glad I am not the only one! My husband just rolled his eyes when i booked the scan and said i should just trust the doctor. She did check twice to be sure. Hopefully she didn't miss something! We will be taking our boys to the scan so they can see baby too, my eldest (5) is really excited.

Waiting4daisy - I had really early positives with this one and the girl I miscarried at 17 weeks. I felt pregnant both times before the positive test too. With my boys I think the tests went positive after my period was due, I certainly had no idea I was pregnant either as had no symptoms with them. We were trying so I was testing but each time i was shocked. I never had morning sickness with my boys or the baby we lost at 13 weeks. This pregnancy and the one before (girl) I have had random bouts of extreme nausea even now still at 22 weeks.

Feeling really anxious this pregnancy, is anyone else? I haven't felt a lot of movement over the last few days, but was told that my placenta is anterior so I guess that must be it. I did have an anterior placenta with my youngest but I was so relaxed that pregnancy I don't remember being at all concerned at any point about movements. I think the two miscarriages recently are probably making me extra paranoid.

I haven't bought anything for the baby yet either, and really not sure if I will as it feels like tempting fate a bit, which is silly because we bought tonnes of stuff for both boys after our 20 week scan and it never crossed my mind not to. We do have a lot of stuff left from our boys in the loft so probably don't need to buy much anyway, but if it is a girl, then some pink clothes would be cute - I just can't bring myself to buy anything right now.

I really admire everyone who is staying team green. We did that for our first and it was such a wonderful surprise when he was born and really exciting. We did find out the gender of our second son. With this one I wanted to know but chickened out in the scan room, the tech agreed to write it on a bit of paper. She wrote it down but didn't conceal it very well before putting it in the envelope so I saw it. I suppose it was just as well that we wanted to know, otherwise that would have been annoying!

Welcome! I am due 4th Feb (I have to have a caserian at 38weeks) with my first girl after two boys, and I swear your posts could be mine. I was so suspicious my 'girl' would grow a doodle before my next scan. I was told girl by my ob after a very girly nub shot at the 12 week scan, but at 11 weeks my ob said it looked boy-ish, but too early to tell, and that never left my mind. So we finally had our 20 week anatomy scan and got a great tech whom I had before for ds2's anatomy scan, so I was relieved when she checked 3 times then finally told us GIRL. I feel like i'm beginning to accept it now after two scans at different gestations, so I think you booking in again is great, and having your boys there is an awesome idea. My ds1 is 4 and ds2 is 2, ds1 is super excited, and even more so that it's a girl.

I didnt buy anything for a long time. It was only after my anatomy scan (second time they told me girl) that I finally brought stuff. After my 15w scan I brought one outfit, and hid it in the cupboard and didnt look at it for fear I was tempting fate. I'm not even religious or superstitious, yet somehow I became both in that moment. haha. I was so terrified after 18 months ttc and 4 chemicals, and swaying hard, that it may all be taken away from me. I still worry a little, but now after two scans I feel more confident and have now been given 2 bags full of girl clothes from my girl mum friends, which I sorted out last weekend, so I must be accepting it. I keep reminding myself that with the boys I didn't doubt the scans and had everything brought and planned, why doubt this one?

I'm really sorry to hear of your late miscarriages, I can't relate but I can sympathise. Even without any real reason to worry, I have worried this time about every single niggle or pain. I think its because now I know I have a girl on board, and all I did to get her, i'm terrified to have that taken away, even more so than ever before. Because I really dont think I would have the strength or energy to do another sway like the one I did. Not to mention the trama of loosing any baby. I think its natural to worry, and the more you have invested emotionally, the more likely you are to worry. Of course relaxing is healthiest for the baby, but if you figure out how to do that, let me know!!! haha

When is this next scan of yours?

meeks32
October 4th, 2013, 06:28 PM
Just got back from my dr visit - I have complete placenta previa meaning the entire opening to my cervix is covered by the placenta. My dr said the placenta is literally right on top of it. Outlook for it moving doesn't sound good - have another ultrasound at 27 weeks (8 weeks from today). PLEASE ladies, say a prayer for me and baby if you'd be willing. I just need to be able to enjoy this pregnancy a bit and not be scared every minute.

I hope you're all doing better than I am today!

I'm sorry this is happening hon, I do know that in many, many cases it moves. It moved with mine with ds1 but it was only partial. As it turns out his 48hr labour ended in caserian anyway and I often wonder if it would have just been better to go straight to one with him, given how many things went wrong in that labour. He ruined so much trying to get out the normal way, I'm not allowed to give birth naturally now, and have to have caserians regardless.

Ironically this time my placenta is on top.

Try not to assume anything until 27 weeks. If it helps your state of mind, research caserians and what they involve, from credible websites that aren't all aimed at trying to stop women 'choosing' them for what is deemed non medical reasons. Those sites end up depressing you. Research caserian for placenta previa or medical reasons.

In my opinion, birth is pretty crap whichever way it happens, just in different ways. I was SO set on having a natural birth, and when that was taken away from me I was really upset. BUT after pushing ds1 half way out, then having a caserian, then a planned one ds2, and watching my friends with their natural births or caserians I can say they are equally crap with an equally amazing reward at the end.

Natural birth: Lots of pain for a relatively short amount of time, with less severe complications but the risk is still there, common minor complications like tearing or stitches last 1-2 weeks of pain.
Caserian: Not painful at the time, more severe potential complications, but the controlled environment minimises their risk of occuring. Painful for 6 weeks after, annoying not being able to lift things.

With caserians now you can choose a lot of things, that you couldn't before. I chose to have dh hold baby near my neck so we could snuggle while I was closed up. They did a few quick checks then I had baby in my arms within 1 minute of being born. They wrapped him up and dh held him for me but he was there. 45 mins after (when I was all closed etc) dh and baby followed me into recovery where baby and I had skin to skin contact and I fed him immediately for a long time, while they did a few other monitoring things for me, and checked me. Then we all went to the hospital room and from there it was the same as a natural birth, except I couldnt get up until my legs came back awake, so a few hours.

So research it all, and find a scenario or plan you can live with, then hope for that thing to move!!

onthepond
October 5th, 2013, 09:31 AM
Thank you so much Meeks, that post made me feel a lot better. I am just doing a lot of praying that it moves and that we get better news at 27 weeks. More than anything, I just want baby to be healthy and however baby arrives into the world I can deal with (as long as it's 37 weeks or later:)). My doctor isn't concerned about preterm labor or anything and my cervix is measuring great, so I really just need to try to let go and enjoy what I can of this pregnancy. It helps me to hear that you have had 2 csections, though. I am so not a wimp but I am honestly terrified to have one. You are the best, thank you thank you for your response.

Ladies, please keep us in your thoughts. I truly believe that the more people that wish this thing will move, the better off we are. Thank you all, glad to hear you are all doing well!

myrainbowgirl
October 5th, 2013, 11:36 PM
Waiting4Daisy - Oooh, that sounds promising!! No willy, nice comments from tech...if I were you, I would totally be thinking pink!! ;)

Meeks - I think those that have caesarians from the beginning don't think they're that bad, and those that have a c after vaginal think they're awful! But you're right...they're both hard on the body and you have to recover in different ways. I feel pretty blessed with mine so far...have had pretty good experiences each time. Praying for another with Ds4!

Onthepond - Will most definitely pray for placenta to move!! I have confidence that it CAN move...so prayers headed your way, for sure!

two1984 - Will this be your last baby, now that you have your girl? Or will you try for a sister for your DD? :)

AFM - Doing ok, no issues with baby...feeling a little more movement, but still not much. Grrr. Hoping it means he's laid back! God knows I need another like DS2! :)

In other news, my 94-year-old grandpa had a stroke this week, and it does not look like he's going to make it. He was married 60+ years before my grandma passed away 3 years ago...they have 5 kids and loads of grandkids and great-grandkids. Such a legacy my sweet grandpa is leaving. I got to talk to him on the phone today (he is 1700 miles away across the country), although he couldn't respond much...he did say a couple things, and I was so happy to be able to say goodbye and tell him how much I love him. Done some crying today, but I know I will see him again in heaven one day. :)

Waiting4Daisy
October 6th, 2013, 04:39 AM
Rainbow what a shame about your poor grandpa. Praying he makes a miraculous recovery and survives to see his new great grand baby.

I am not even sure if the sonographer looked for or saw gender so still counting myself team green, with maybe a slight blue lean because my nub, if it was a nub, might be angled and since hubby *might* have seen scrotum lol (or 'baw sack' as he do eloquently put it, the joys of Scottish men!).

Think we have actually decided on names, hubby axed Flynn so we are looking at Daisy for a girl and Freddie for a boy.

Onthepond as long as baby is out safely, that is all that matters. My sis is a doctor and very pro natural birth and she said they believe it's very close to being safer to birth by c section than vaginally, that's how routine c sections are (don't mean elective c sections which don't really happen here in the UK but for medical reasons). Placenta may still move. I had a friend whose last two babies she had placenta previa and both times it moved and she delivered like normal. Meeks stories about cuddling baby after section sound like you get the same amount of contact with baby and chances to bond.

meeks32
October 6th, 2013, 06:06 AM
Waiting4Daisy - Oooh, that sounds promising!! No willy, nice comments from tech...if I were you, I would totally be thinking pink!! ;)

Meeks - I think those that have caesarians from the beginning don't think they're that bad, and those that have a c after vaginal think they're awful! But you're right...they're both hard on the body and you have to recover in different ways. I feel pretty blessed with mine so far...have had pretty good experiences each time. Praying for another with Ds4!

Onthepond - Will most definitely pray for placenta to move!! I have confidence that it CAN move...so prayers headed your way, for sure!

two1984 - Will this be your last baby, now that you have your girl? Or will you try for a sister for your DD? :)

AFM - Doing ok, no issues with baby...feeling a little more movement, but still not much. Grrr. Hoping it means he's laid back! God knows I need another like DS2! :)

In other news, my 94-year-old grandpa had a stroke this week, and it does not look like he's going to make it. He was married 60+ years before my grandma passed away 3 years ago...they have 5 kids and loads of grandkids and great-grandkids. Such a legacy my sweet grandpa is leaving. I got to talk to him on the phone today (he is 1700 miles away across the country), although he couldn't respond much...he did say a couple things, and I was so happy to be able to say goodbye and tell him how much I love him. Done some crying today, but I know I will see him again in heaven one day. :)

I think the point about caesarians is that most people who have them, don't choose to, they are forced to for medical reasons, and spend their lives being told by all kinds of people in all forms of media that this somehow makes them a lesser person, that it isn't 'really' giving birth, that it's awful, or shameful, or comes with risks x, y, and z.

I think birth is pretty difficult no matter how it happens but of course we all know its a means to an end, and that baby makes everything worthwhile. Having mum stress about birth not going to plan because of some worry the media or society has put in her head is not healthy for her or baby. Especially when she can't control the outcome.

I'm so sorry to hear about your grandpa, how lucky you were to be able to say goodbye, it's emotional, but how often do you get to say everything knowing what is about to happen? I'm sure your words were of comfort to him, and hope you were able to feel closure. Xx

Dreamofpink
October 6th, 2013, 06:40 AM
I think the point about caesarians is that most people who have them, don't choose to, they are forced to for medical reasons, and spend their lives being told by all kinds of people in all forms of media that this somehow makes them a lesser person, that it isn't 'really' giving birth, that it's awful, or shameful, or comes with risks x, y, and z.

I think birth is pretty difficult no matter how it happens but of course we all know its a means to an end, and that baby makes everything worthwhile. Having mum stress about birth not going to plan because of some worry the media or society has put in her head is not healthy for her or baby. Especially when she can't control the outcome.

I'm so sorry to hear about your grandpa, how lucky you were to be able to say goodbye, it's emotional, but how often do you get to say everything knowing what is about to happen? I'm sure your words were of comfort to him, and hope you were able to feel closure. Xx

Well said Meeks. It broke my heart to have to have a c-section with ds1. The choice was very stark though c-section or full blown eclampsia potentially leading to death for both of us as they couldn't control it with drugs. I did feel like a failure, I couldn't even keep my baby safe to term & it took a lot of counselling to come to terms with what had happened.

With ds2 I felt the failure to give birth even more as my vbac had not gone to plan. I didn't get past 2cm with my waters gone. Coupled with my gd I felt like I wasn't a proper woman.

This time I have been using a Natal Hypnotherapy cd preparing for a vbac & it's great for teaching you to let go of the negative emotions surrounding a c-section. When I was expecting ds1 it was the most scary thing to contemplate in the world, but I've now had two, I really don't want another. However it's more to do with complications in future births than anything else. If this was our definite last I wouldn't be as worried. I must say that because I was well with my second c-section, it was a much better experience. Ds2 was kept in the theatre with us & as soon as I was stitched up & put in the side room for recovery they gave him straight to me for skin to skin & he latched right on. I never felt much pain in recovery either & hardly needed strong pain killers at home.

This time I just dream of giving birth & walking around straight after! Maybe like John Wayne, but still....! I will embrace every contraction as (hopefully!) a pain taking me further away from the operating theatre. I want the pain!! Haha!! I know you ladies will be chuckling thinking 'ha if only she knew!' :D You have my full permission to say 'I told you so!' afterwards! :wink:

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Waiting4Daisy
October 6th, 2013, 07:25 AM
Meeks when I had ds1 the midwife told me about a woman who refused a c section with health risks for twins and both she and her twins died. As mums we do whatever it takes to deliver our babies safely and that means putting our own birth preferences to one side. I'd never want a c section but if I was advised I'd have one in a heartbeat to ensure I could hold my baby at the end of it all.

Emily
October 6th, 2013, 10:20 AM
Urgh! Media pressure. Having a C section does not make you less of a woman just as having a drug free birth does not make you more of a woman. Youdon't get an extra baby as a prize for delivering vaginally:)

Not being able to conceive at all does not make you less of a woman either. My poor friend has been trying for ages and I am positive nobody thinks that except her.

If we all get our babies out healthy and feel normal soon afterwards that is all we can hope for. Hugs to everyone fearing a C section I am sure that they are as safe as possible and to be honest squeezing a baby out of a hole that small isn't a barrel lof laughs either! LOL.

myrainbowgirl
October 6th, 2013, 04:47 PM
I hope I didn't come across as trying to scare anyone about a C! Honestly, I have no clue, as I've never had one! I have heard women who've had them from the beginning say that they're not that bad...and then women who've had them after a vaginal say they were terrible. It's all about perspective! I completely agree with Waiting4Daisy that I would do it in a heartbeat if there was any question of the outcome of either my health or the baby's. And TRULY, I would take no vaginal birth any day over not getting to experience a daughter. Cut me open, I don't care...just give me a daughter, please!! And I mean that. You ladies getting your DG are so incredibly lucky, and I am jealous (not in a bad way...happy for you, of course :)). Although I know that each one of us are
SO blessed, even though we didn't all get our DG.

Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone! Yes, hugs to anyone fearing a C-section...it could be me just as much as any of you that will end up with one. And it will be ok in the end!

Dreamofpink
October 6th, 2013, 04:57 PM
You certainly didn't offend me myrainbowgirl! It's just the whole media/cultural attitude towards birth that's offensive. In a strange way I feel like my dramatic birth story of ds1 vindicated the delivery far more than with ds2's 'failure to progress'. Urgh! When even the docs call it that they've effectively branded your body useless. However with a life/death illness the delivery was the only cure. Hope you understand what I'm getting at. I think the language used by professionals/media needs to be less provocative & empowering for the women involved. After all without the miracle of medicine & safe c-sections, 100 years ago I'd have been another statistic in the Victorian record books put down to fits in pregnancy. Urgh! Ds1 & ds2 (& ds3!) wouldn't be here either, poor DH would be a widower too. Crikey I do sound melodramatic! :D I feel really strongly that the culture around birth needs to change - can't you tell?! :wink:

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meeks32
October 6th, 2013, 11:36 PM
You certainly didn't offend me myrainbowgirl! It's just the whole media/cultural attitude towards birth that's offensive. In a strange way I feel like my dramatic birth story of ds1 vindicated the delivery far more than with ds2's 'failure to progress'. Urgh! When even the docs call it that they've effectively branded your body useless. However with a life/death illness the delivery was the only cure. Hope you understand what I'm getting at. I think the language used by professionals/media needs to be less provocative & empowering for the women involved. After all without the miracle of medicine & safe c-sections, 100 years ago I'd have been another statistic in the Victorian record books put down to fits in pregnancy. Urgh! Ds1 & ds2 (& ds3!) wouldn't be here either, poor DH would be a widower too. Crikey I do sound melodramatic! :D I feel really strongly that the culture around birth needs to change - can't you tell?! :wink:

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I know! I was told 100 years ago I would have died too, and most likely ds1 as well. I feel EXACTLY the same about the terminology too. In Australia, if your doctor tells you that you must have a caesarian for medical reasons, and this is planned before you go into labour, the hospital and doctor call it an "elective caesarian". ELECTIVE my fucking arse, you just said I HAD to and now I have a midwife asking if I am booking my ELECTIVE caesarian, like I CHOSE it. GRRRRR. Can't they call it a planned caesarian? or medical caesarian?

I feel the same with ds1 vs ds2's caesarians. Ds1 was emergency, after 48hrs in labour and 1.5hrs of pushing, there were many, many complications and it was a huge rush. Lets just say (without scaring anyone) the procedure itself didn't go that well either, and the whole experience almost killed me. literally. I also lost 1.5L of blood due to those complications, and spent 4hrs in surgery afterwards under general anaesthetic. Needless to say ds2's failure to go head down and consequent caesarian felt like a 'cop out' in comparison, and I had more guilt about that one because I felt there was some grey area about how maybe I could have gotten him to turn and stay head down, despite the previous complications from ds1 and small gap between them being factors that made the doctor ban me from natural birth anyway. I still had a tinge of "what if".

This time I was under then impression I was still banned from giving birth, but last appointment, out of nowhere, the doctor asked if I was still happy with a caesarian, implying I may choose vbac. He was rushed so i'm not sure he opened my file to remember it was me, but now I plan to ask him next appointment. Or maybe I will wait until i'm 34+weeks and see if this baby is head down before getting all worked up and excited about a potential for natural birth. DH keeps reminding me we had pelvic scans after ds1 that came back saying there was NO WAY I could fit anything over 6 pounds out my stupid small/oddly shaped pelvis (the only part of me that was ever small, let me just say), and that the doctor previously advised I was unlikely to have a baby that size even with induction at 38 weeks given myself and my husband are both tall (he is far over 6 foot). Both our boys were 8 pound 6 and 8 pound 4, the lesser born at 38 weeks. So I know, I know, I shouldnt hope. But I am wondering. I would love nothing more than to be able to walk straight away too!!!

I think the only way I could possibly do it, is if I was induced at 38weeks so baby wasnt too big. But I am almost certain they dont do that in Australia. They rarely induce unless there is a failure to progress during labour. And with ds1 I didn't naturally go into labour until 42 weeks! I was 14 days over by the time I had him.

The one thing I simply will not stand for (personally) is an emergency caesarian during labour. Because that's what happened with ds1 and in my mind, I simply can't. I am still far too traumatised by what happened there. But I can't see any option. If I fail to progress again, that IS the only option.

Oh I don't know, stupid pregnancy hormones, making me so indecisive.

Soar
October 6th, 2013, 11:59 PM
I love all this talk about c sections! :-) my thought is God gave us 2 ways to have a baby vaginally or a c section! Either way is perfectly perfect for that baby! Both give you the little miracle you have been waiting to meet! So glad everyone is so supportive of each other here! This is a great group!

Rainbow-so sorry about your grandpa! Prayers your way! Grandparents are so special! My DH's grandma is 92 and she is the most amazing women! Living into their 90's is so inspiring!

Onthepond-hope you are feeling good and also feeling less stressed about a possible c section! But still hoping it moves for you!

Have a good week everyone!

Emily
October 7th, 2013, 12:51 AM
I hope I didn't come across as trying to scare anyone about a C! Honestly, I have no clue, as I've never had one! I have heard women who've had them from the beginning say that they're not that bad...and then women who've had them after a vaginal say they were terrible. It's all about perspective! I completely agree with Waiting4Daisy that I would do it in a heartbeat if there was any question of the outcome of either my health or the baby's. And TRULY, I would take no vaginal birth any day over not getting to experience a daughter. Cut me open, I don't care...just give me a daughter, please!! And I mean that. You ladies getting your DG are so incredibly lucky, and I am jealous (not in a bad way...happy for you, of course :)). Although I know that each one of us are
SO blessed, even though we didn't all get our DG.

Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone! Yes, hugs to anyone fearing a C-section...it could be me just as much as any of you that will end up with one. And it will be ok in the end!


Don't worry about offending anyone this is exactly the place that you should be able to vent and discuss what is worrying you. Most peopke IRL won't give you all the facts for fear of scaring you / influencing your choice but it is different here.

There are ladies here that have had C sections, Vbacs, vaginal deliveries etc so it is a great source of knowledge.

Meeks my doctor also insulted my oddly shaped pelvis and told me it was too small! She also told me my cervix was all wrong.??!! I have never managed to push one out without assistance so she was right!

Personally I am arranging for my baby to be delivered by pink storks with butterflies and a disney sound track. No blood, enemas, stiches, strange moustached men starring at my bits or contracting in the corridor for two hours waiting for a room for me this time:)

Tree
October 7th, 2013, 04:05 AM
Isn't it mad we are talking about delivery!!! It could be (if I was lucky) as little as 7 or 8 weeks for me, but I expect it will be 12, and as standard I'll go to 42 weeks!!
Really interesting reading about csections. I've had two vaginal births, both quite scary! I'd like to have the 'perfect' vaginal birth but if I had known the potential risks I was going to encounter (particularly with my first - shoulder dystocia) I would have opted for a section. There is no question I don't think about how I will deliver this time, provided of course the baby gets head down etc... And a (smooth) vaginal delivery is my preference, but if for any reason I was told I had to have a section a small part of me would feel relieved for my baby. I don't know enough about sections really but it seems to me that they are safer and less traumatic for babies? It's us that suffers with the risks and recovery?
I suppose if you look at it this way the one thing that you can say is that a section is best for baby!?
Apparently there was a study that showed people born by csection were more relaxed. I presume these were the 'elective' ones and not the ones that nearly made it vaginally but then didn't.

Rainbow I'm very sorry to hear about your grandpa!

Dreamofpink
October 7th, 2013, 04:25 AM
Isn't it mad we are talking about delivery!!! It could be (if I was lucky) as little as 7 or 8 weeks for me, but I expect it will be 12, and as standard I'll go to 42 weeks!!
Really interesting reading about csections. I've had two vaginal births, both quite scary! I'd like to have the 'perfect' vaginal birth but if I had known the potential risks I was going to encounter (particularly with my first - shoulder dystocia) I would have opted for a section. There is no question I don't think about how I will deliver this time, provided of course the baby gets head down etc... And a (smooth) vaginal delivery is my preference, but if for any reason I was told I had to have a section a small part of me would feel relieved for my baby. I don't know enough about sections really but it seems to me that they are safer and less traumatic for babies? It's us that suffers with the risks and recovery?
I suppose if you look at it this way the one thing that you can say is that a section is best for baby!?
Apparently there was a study that showed people born by csection were more relaxed. I presume these were the 'elective' ones and not the ones that nearly made it vaginally but then didn't.

Rainbow I'm very sorry to hear about your grandpa!

I think it depends on the health of your baby. With ds1 only being 2lb 12oz he was probably too fragile to survive an induced labour without significant problems. The only long-lasting issue with him is soft enamel on his baby teeth so it was without doubt the best way for him to be born.

With full-term healthy babies & elective sections they generally believe that the baby *can* be a bit more fretful in the early days. Also because the baby hasn't had the massaging effect of coming through the birth canal their lungs can be a bit congested leading to a higher rate of needing a little bit of help with breathing at birth. HOWEVER ds2 was a very healthy baby born at term by section, had no respiratory problems at all (except we can't find a volume button on him to turn him down a bit :wink:) and that first night in hospital we both slept all night! The midwives commented that it was unusual for a c-section baby to be so settled. I don't want another night on the ward really as it was the other babies that disturbed my sleep, not ds2!

Myrainbowbaby, you, your Grandad & family are in my thoughts right now :hugs:

Btw I realised that 100 years ago wouldn't have been the Victorian era, d'oh! I forgot what year we're in now :hide:

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two1984
October 7th, 2013, 05:08 AM
Meeks - thank you for your reply. Very jealous you have a date set for when you will meet your little girl. :) I have a feeling this one will be another late one. The 10 days I went overdue with my first were awful and the birth was pretty horrific too. We had our scan on saturday and baby is still a girl! I was convinced we would be told they made a mistake! The sonographer seemed very sure too pointing out that she could see labia and that it wasn't just the absence of boy bits that made her say it was a girl. I have a potty shot too, so I have no choice to believe it now. We only took our eldest son in the end, but he was really taken by the scan, the tech was nice enough to show us some shots in 4d too, so I think he now understands a bit better.

Myrainbowgirl - so sorry to hear about your grandpa, I will keep him in my thoughts.
Yes, this was always going to be our last baby no matter what. I only ever wanted two and felt our family was complete after DS2. But we got unexpectedly pregnant last year and after initially feeling it was the end of the world I came around, but then miscarried at 13 weeks and my mind changed. I desperately wanted a third. Unfortunately, I had another miscarriage after. Fingers crossed we get to bring this one home! . I just have to convince Dh to go and get the snip, so that I can't change my mind! Will you be having anymore?

Waitingfordaisy - I really like your names. We had flynn in our top 3 names for DS1 And I love daisy, but the name has been vetoed here by the husband along with a long list of other girls names I love. I had no idea he had such strong views. We are totally stuck here on a girls name. I had a boys name picked out which we both liked before the 20 week scan. At least there is plenty of time left to decide i guess.

I Love Ladybugs
October 7th, 2013, 08:45 AM
In just over 2.5 more weeks, I will be way more active in this thread!! Maternity leave and finishing on the shed almost coincide perfectly for a more relaxed time until my baby gets here...the countdown is on!!

I have been reading this thread, and agree with Soar, both vag. and section are just a means to the end. The safe arrival of our adorable babies....I am praying and wishing that each and every one of the little bundles arrives safely!!! Emily, I might even consider your way of getting your girl here...pink stork me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Between very poor sleep and just rough work days, I feel like I have so little resources to deal with my hubby at this time. I might save my patience for my boys, put a strong day at work in, but the fact that he does little at home in terms of housework, food prep, yardwork (other than working with me on the shed/shop), means I am so worn down. I cried the other night about it, both boys cuddled and tried to kiss away how sad mommy was....they just did not realize that it was also because he is more willing to take care of his friends (esp. female) than their mom. Once I go on mat. leave, it all is ok, but right now, the weeks go by way too slowly.

Waiting4Daisy
October 7th, 2013, 03:58 PM
Two congrats on girl confirmation hun xxx

Soar
October 8th, 2013, 04:33 PM
So my friend had her twin girls today! She has two little girls at home as well! She is so inspiring with her attitude and her feeling of being blessed by a family of one gender. She really has the best outlook and her girls are gorgeous! She had the oh we will try for a 3rd mindset and found out it was twins. She took it all in stride and never once batted an eye to her full house! Anyway....hope everyone is feeling good and tackling the week ok! Soon we will all be holding our little bundles too! It's far away but at the same time it's close!!!!!!

Finally 26 weeks and so thankful. I can stop being so nervous once I get to this mile stone! Hope you are all feeling good!

black&gold
October 9th, 2013, 01:47 PM
K boy moms - I really need some advice!

DS1 is 4 in December and just started school in September. He went to a summer camp at the school for a few weeks before the school year started where a little girl showed him her underwear. From what I could understand it was the girls choice and she kept wanting him to play "showering" or something. This all kick started quite the interest with private parts. Since he was probably 2 I haven't showered in front of him or changed around him or anything because I could tell he started noticing a difference between daddy and I but it was never a problem. We do no watch ANYTHING that would remotely peak his interest, and his father and I are definitely not at all the touchy feely type around the kids. Anyways, on Friday I was told a little girl lifted her shirt and showed him her chest at school. I asked if he provoked it and they said "no no no, not at all". Well I guess on Monday or Tuesday he apparently asked a girl to show him her chest and she went home upset and that's how they assumed he was the one asking her to do it. I'm wondering if the incident on friday (which I think the girl blamed on him when her parents talked to her at home) might have peaked some new interest - or at least made him feel like it was okay to see. We are VERY clear about privates being private etc. Well I just got a call today saying at lunch he asked to see the girls "private parts" and I honestly don't know what to do. I've been crying all morning because aside from getting quite upset with him I don't know what else to do. I know these interests have been started by other kids initiating stuff.. but now I feel like he thinks it's acceptable. As I said we are very private about these things, and I never expose myself to him or show him anything in books or TV that would make him so curious. He's never been around girls because he doesn't have a sister, and all his cousins are boys as well as all his friends. Now that he's being introduced to girls it's like this new world of interest.

He is the sweetest little boy ever and it's definitely not malicious - just pure pure curiosity. He's sooo curious about it! Another thing is that he has told me on two separate occasions that his grandma has said a bad word to him - boobs (she always wears super low cleavage bearing tops when she's a size DD). He said "she touched me with them when she hugged me". I just feel like that's so weird for a not even 4 year old to notice - cleavage - but he's obviously asking her about it and she's saying boobs or whatever - which is something we don't say and not how I would respond. I already think it's a little weird for her to wear such revealing clothes around little boys and now i'm even more annoyed. Is this normal for him to be so interesting in girl body parts? He showers with his dad and brother all the time and it's never brought up... he just knows there's something different about girls and can't figure it out! I am mortified that I am getting talked to at school for his behaviour and aside from getting upset with him I don't know what else to do! HELP!!

Waiting4Daisy
October 9th, 2013, 03:46 PM
Black and gold I really think its normal and I wouldn't worry at all! Tell granny to put her boobs away!!!

black&gold
October 9th, 2013, 04:25 PM
Black and gold I really think its normal and I wouldn't worry at all! Tell granny to put her boobs away!!!

LOL! Seriously, right! My husband has said he's going to talk to her - that'll be interesting "mom, stop wearing lingerie when you have my son over for a sleepover"

I know curiosity is normal, he just is obviously more curious than some kids. Mind you ever other boy I know has a girl sibling so they've been exposed to girls getting their diapers changed, and probably bathing together forever. Ugh, another reason only having one gender causes challenges.

What a embarrassing thing to have the principle call about though...:suprise:

Soar
October 10th, 2013, 01:51 AM
Black and Gold- we just had this discussion today in our moms group! Here is some info I wrote down. Maybe this will be helpful.

The series is God's Design for Sex. The first book is The Story of Me, the second is Before I Was Born (ages 5-8), third is What's the Big Deal (ages 8-11), and fourth is Facing the Facts (ages 11-14). The speaker walked through some of these but we did not complete the series - full disclosure here. However, they are very good. The authors are Stan and Brenna Jones.

Hope that helps. The speaker also said boys notice the difference between sexes much earlier and it's perfectly normal and the worst thing to do is shame them or make them feel uncomfortable to talk to you about it. Unhealthy body relationships develop this way. Sooooo it sounds like you and your DH are doing something great for him to be able to talk to you about it already. Maybe take a quick look at these books and see what you think. They sell them on amazon.

black&gold
October 10th, 2013, 09:26 AM
Black and Gold- we just had this discussion today in our moms group! Here is some info I wrote down. Maybe this will be helpful.

The series is God's Design for Sex. The first book is The Story of Me, the second is Before I Was Born (ages 5-8), third is What's the Big Deal (ages 8-11), and fourth is Facing the Facts (ages 11-14). The speaker walked through some of these but we did not complete the series - full disclosure here. However, they are very good. The authors are Stan and Brenna Jones.

Hope that helps. The speaker also said boys notice the difference between sexes much earlier and it's perfectly normal and the worst thing to do is shame them or make them feel uncomfortable to talk to you about it. Unhealthy body relationships develop this way. Sooooo it sounds like you and your DH are doing something great for him to be able to talk to you about it already. Maybe take a quick look at these books and see what you think. They sell them on amazon.

Wow, thanks so much! I will definitely look into that. We are also a very strong Christian family so I'm always interested to hear how to explain things with that element involved. I really hate this types of issues where you have to be careful how you deal with them. I want him to know it's never acceptable to ask to see anyones privates and know that there will be consequences if it continues.. but I don't want to do any emotional damage either while he's just learning and developing! Gahhhh! Thanks again though :)

Tree
October 10th, 2013, 10:37 AM
B&G I fear you are not going to approve of how I raise my boys... But we are totally open about body parts and just treat them as normally as any other part.

Ds1 calls my boobies boobies, because that's what they are and his interest hasn't really gone beyond that. He knows Mummy and Daddy have different parts. He has watched me breastfeed and understands only Mummy's can do that because only Mummy's have boobies.

I should think the only reason your DS is so curious is because he is not familiar and children just want to learn and understand. I really wouldn't worry, his interest is perfectly natural. I also wouldn't worry about Grandma wearing revealing tops, if its not her it will only be someone else.

Sorry if I am treading on delicate ground, our principles are clearly different but the one thing to say is please don't worry about your DS. And do be aware the more we hide things the more we spark their interest.

Good luck with it all! :-)

Tree
October 10th, 2013, 10:42 AM
As a final point, and again perhaps this is different for you... But when it's out I let the kids run around naked, they do so with their friends girls and boys, and when little sister comes along she will do the same. They love naked time! It also will become apparent girls have different parts when you go swimming or to the beach or when someone else is breastfeeding their child. What I'm tying to say is I don't think you'll be able to stop DS noticing girls are different. And in noticing that they are different I don't think you'll stop the interest as to why and how...

Dreamofpink
October 10th, 2013, 11:41 AM
I totally agree with you Tree. We're very open too & at one point in my pregnancy ds1 would pop into the bathroom while I showered each day for a quick look at my tummy to make sure it was growing bigger. Then he was reassured that the baby was growing fine too. My parents were very open when we were growing up & it was only when we hit puberty that my Dad would cover himself up totally. My sis & I grew up completely aware of how men looked through my Dad not hiding away when he showered. I know it can come across as sounding really dodgy but I assure you it was all totally above board.

We teach our boys that their bits are theirs & theirs only & to respect other peoples' too. They aren't really that curious as they've grown up aware of the differences between men & women. They don't know how babies are made yet but we will give them a basic outline of it all when they're ready. I don't think hiding our bodies from children work as their minds are so different to adults' that it can end up making a taboo of something totally normal. Obviously the topic does have to be handled with tact & care though. I appreciate that some of you ladies come from different cultural backgrounds & don't want to offend at all. However this way of approaching the topic seems to be fairly accepted & standard in the UK. :)

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myrainbowgirl
October 10th, 2013, 11:45 AM
Black & gold - I'm sorry you're having to deal with this! I haven't had to (yet), so don't have much advice. Totally sounds like the interest was peaked by the first little girl...how frustrating! I agree with Tree, though, the more hidden and secret the parts are, they probably become even more curious. But don't feel badly about being modest! Just understand that his curiosity is normal! My DS1 is 6, and I try to cover up around him...but don't worry too much if he walks in while I'm dressing or something. I'm sure he will see me bf DS4, and I am not concerned about it. I don't worry too much about DS2 yet, and certainly not DS3, so I guess we are just a little looser about it. Will be an interesting dynamic if we have a DD after all these little boys, as I'm sure they will see each other and recognize clearly that her parts are different from theirs. But they already know that because they know I'm a girl and that my parts are different. Ah well, that's a bridge I will cross once I get to it! Anyway, good luck navigating those waters!

Sorry for the lack of personals...hope everyone is well!

20-wk appt. yesterday...all is well. Starting to get comments from random people now, guess it's obvious I'm preggo. Most comments have been nice or neutral, but I got a truly negative one yesterday...Had all 3 boys with me to pick up DS2 from preschool. DS3 was wanting to run around the school and didn't want to leave, so unfortunately, I had to pick him up literally kicking and screaming when leaving. One mom (who of course has her perfect little girl and boy) looks at me with a look of disgust on her face and says, "OMG, and you're pregnant with your fourth! Are you just going to assume it's another boy??" I told her it was another boy and that yes, it was going to be crazy. Nothing else was said. Grrr. That kind of comment is exactly what I was dreading about being pg with boy#4...it just brings back all my negative feelings. I still just can't believe we haven't had at least one girl out of four. Ugh, I just don't understand. One day I will, I'm sure, and will be glad for it. I really do trust God's plan, but it's still painful. Still holding out for a girl next time, assuming we do it again. I really go back and forth about it, but at the moment feel like we almost HAVE to...feel like God said it, and now He's gotta do it! Exciting on one hand, so scary on the other. Fortunately, that's a ways away, so I don't need to stress over it now!

My grandpa is still hanging on, but he is in hospice care, and not at all expected to recover. So it's just a waiting game at this point...I did get a chance to say goodbye, which I am so grateful for.

black&gold
October 10th, 2013, 12:49 PM
Tree, Dreamofpink, rainbowgirl - I totally see where your coming from and don't have a problem with that approach at all if your child responds fine to it. I noticed very early on that DS1 (who is the most observant child ever) would stare at me if I was changing and was clearly aware of a difference in bodies. I decided at that point - whether right or wrong - that I thought I wouldn't let him walk in if I was showering, or only let him see me changing if I had a bra and underwear on, but he did see me while I BF'd DS2 until he was probably 2.5yrs. He has always been interested and we have always just said the whole "boys and girls are different, blah blah blah.. but private parts are private so you keep them to yourselves" and we didn't really make it an issue until there were issues with other kids. I feel like some kids hear that stuff once and then are over it and it's never an issue, and there are others that are just really really curious so they might be more apt to take it too far. Maybe had I been more open earlier on and not cut him off so early from things he'd not care? Ohhhh could of, would of, should of...right! I hate how with parenting you can second guess almost every choice you make! Thanks for your advice ladies :)

nuthinbutpink
October 10th, 2013, 02:13 PM
Hi ladies. This thread is WAY too big so I am closing it and starting another for you!

Here is your link-

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/due-dec-2013-jan-february-2014/35190-due-december-january-february-2013-14-part-2-a.html#post480264