Jan 2016 TTC / Testing - New Year BFPs!

[Nann3r]

Hey everyone. Took a test this morning. Internet cheapie. Looks about as negative as they come so it's not even worth posting a pic. Thanks for all the encouragement. I think I'm just gonna wait for AF it this point. No frers or cheapies. I just keep getting disappointed again and again. AF is due tomorrow so I'll now soon at least.

[ksmom]

Aw I'm sorry Nann. :( FWIW the cheapie tests aren't consistent in sensitivity. I'd get a dark line with one and a barely there line with another using the same FMU. FX the test was wrong and you'll get a no doubt about it BFP soon.

[tfahn]

Sorry Nann, hope u get your BFP soon

[tfahn]

For anyone that had a chemical pregnancy, did u have a normal cycle right afterwards? I still have HCG in my system so just wondering when it gets back to under 2 will I have to wait say 14 days to ovulate again or would u ovulate sooner. Just not sure what to expect when ovulating since I did take 5 days worth of Clomid so I have a feeling my cycle is going to be all kinds of messed up this month.

[Quinn31]

Tfahn I had a chemical pregnancy that lasted a little longer like yours (my dr said most people start af a couple days later but lucky me took over a week) and my cycle has been exactly then same. Once my hcg started dropping it came down fast. As far as taking the clomid I'm not sure.

We had our IUI today and dh's sample was 22 million! It's not the best but with dd2 he never had more than 7-9 million. Of course the problem is my eggs so hopefully this one is good. My dr also thinks the 14 could have matured. I wouldn't think so but I'm going to believe it could have to make myself feel better. I pulled up pics of baby boys and looked at them before the dr came in, then I kept them next to me during the procedure. Haha


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[tfahn]

That's great Quinn! I so hope you get your BFP this cycle. Fingers crossed everything works out, maybe you will even get twin boys :)

[Quinn31]

Haha I wouldn't mind twins but dh says that's his worst nightmare. My younger dd still wakes me up at night sometimes and then I think I would hate twins too!

Good luck to you too! Hopefully things will go our way since we were able to get pregnant.


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[ksmom]

Good luck Quinn!! Fingers and toes crossed you get your sticky BFP this month. Tons of blue dust headed your way!

Tfahn, after my first chemical my cycle was normal other than AF being longer/heavier than normal. Test went neg. about 6 days into the bleeding. I o'ed kinda late but that's normal for me. Then after my second chemical, tests were neg. a few days into the bleeding. I o'ed early despite bleeding a little longer than the first time. Hopefully January is your month for a sticky BFP.

[tfahn]

Seems like the bleeding has finally stopped so far today so I will have to break out an OPK and a pregnancy test and check later on today to see if anything is still showing positive.

[Blue Bear]

tfahn - my HCG levels returned within a week after my chemical. When I had a missed miscarriage at 9 1/2 weeks my hormones were 32,000 and with acupuncture my levels were down to almost 0 after 2 weeks. If you can add acupuncture in there are tons of benefits to it - check out the articles online. I can't remember if you were one of the ladies doing it.

Sorry Nann about a negative - my pregnancies this year didn't test positive on FRER until days 11 and 12.

[twointow83]

Hey everyone. Took a test this morning. Internet cheapie. Looks about as negative as they come so it's not even worth posting a pic. Thanks for all the encouragement. I think I'm just gonna wait for AF it this point. No frers or cheapies. I just keep getting disappointed again and again. AF is due tomorrow so I'll now soon at least.
Boo! :( I'm sorry (((hugs)))

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[maidentomother]

Nann, how many DPO are you?

[Nann3r]

12dpo today. FF has me starting CD1 tomorrow.

[Nann3r]

I'm hoping I just turn out to be one of those people that doesn't show a pos test till after their missed period lol

[maidentomother]

There are many like that!

[Nann3r]

Thanks. Hopefully that's me lol. This is my 4th month trying to conceive and I'm already ready to throw in the towel. Idk how you ladies do this for 12, 18, 24 months seriously you are all my heroes <3

[twointow83]

Thanks. Hopefully that's me lol. This is my 4th month trying to conceive and I'm already ready to throw in the towel. Idk how you ladies do this for 12, 18, 24 months seriously you are all my heroes <3
Agreed! And swaying to boot!! We TTC'd my second for a couple years but I never could have swayed that long!

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[tfahn]

Yes props to u girl swayers, I don't know how u do that for any amount of time. I guess I am lucky I had a girl first, boy sway isnt really that much of a change for me, I do wish I did make time to exercise some. Although I will be happy with either a healthy boy or girl after all this time and craziness just ready for another baby

[Ttc2015]

Sorry Nann, it's so hard not to get discouraged! And I totally agree tfahn.

Think I'm 9dpo today, af should arrive next weekend. I'm desperate to test!!!!! I have some frers so will probably use them early next week.

[Magical22]

Good luck Quinn!!! Take all my blue dust [emoji170][emoji92][emoji170]


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[Quinn31]

Nann, I found that testing early made me obsess more and it made ttc much more stressful. Sometimes I cave and test on 11dpo but usually that's it. I read a study that if you don't get a bfp that day, you probably won't.

I've also started acupuncture and yoga. I know acupuncture is usually expensive but I found my insurance covers it. I just do yoga videos off YouTube. I feel like I'm naturally helping my fertility and it relaxes me.


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[farmgirl33]

Nann - Sorry you got a bfn this morning. It's not over yet though. And I agree about ttc. I really admire the strength & courage that it must take to keep ttc for many months or years.

Ttc - fx that you get a bfp in the next couple of days.

Tfahn - this is my first cycle after my chemical & so far it is normal. Your situation is a bit different to mine though. I got a bfp 13dpo then 14dpo it was a bfn & af started later that day. Af wasn't even technically late.

Quinn - fx for you this cycle. Really hope the iui works.

I'm cd11 today & have watery cm so my cycle seems to be on track. I wasn't sure if my chemical would throw it off track. Should o between cd14-16. Will start using opk's today.


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[maidentomother]

Long term pink swaying is really kinda depressing. It just grinds me down. I'm very much looking forward to not swaying for my 3rd (provided I have 2 girls first) and if I get a 3rd girl then I'll sway blue for my 4th. That is my plan, if I have time and fertility for 4 kids!

[Girlieplease]

Hi everyone, can I join you? think I may accidentally be in the 2 ww. We were not planning to get pregnant, I have one dd and 2 ds, my husband does not really want anymore but I so would love a wee sister for my dd, so does she. Anyway I was planning to do my research, get on the diet and maybe starting to sway pink in 3 - 4 months put I have the strangest feeling that am pregnant, I am only 8 do but feeling a bit nauseous, tingling boobs but could just be af on the way, I will feel really silly when af shows up now I have posted, I also wondering if it is reading all the ttc posts, it is muddling my mind, nice to meet you all and hoping this is your month! Also am new to gd, I only discovered it 2 weeks ago x o

[Nann3r]

See this boy swaying is getting me down. I don't eat this much.. And I enjoy working out a lot every day. So it's hard for me and I keep wondering if I should just stop everything. Idk. I normally eat a few snacks a day maybe one meal. And I'm not big on full meals with lots of salt and seasoning.. I could go all day and forget to eat.. So I'm very much girl friendly in my normal lifestyle.. So the boy stuff is frustrating and expensive constantly having to find meals and snacks to keep my blood sugar up and make sure it's hardy and filling. But still healthy enough where I don't just gain 30 lbs before I get pregnant and gain even more /: for me, boy swaying is a balancing act of keeping my blood sugar high and healthy along with working out and burning calories to stay in shape.. But not burning too much so I'm not in a calorie deficit daily.. Just stressful.

[Girlieplease]

Oh and if I am pregnant I accidentally swayed blue with hints of pink, so think it will boy number 3 for me x o

[purple]

Welcome Girlieplease and good luck! Don't feel silly if AF shows up though as lots of us get all these crazy symptoms and think it has to be the month and then AF turns up, although hopefully it doesn't happen to you too! With my two boys I had a feeling that I was pregnant with them, it is hard to know if it was just wishful thinking though!!

Nann, sorry about the BFN :( ICs aren't that great so hopefully AF does't turn up and you can test with a FRER in a few days.


I'm cd19 now and don't feel like I'm going to ovulate at all. I felt like I was gearing up earlier in the week and my OPK started getting a line but then the next day it faded to nothing. I feel like the metformin is doing nothing now as last month my skin cleared up so well and now I'm a big pimple face again :( It's great still having acne issues when you are 36!

[purple]

Nann, I never really add much salt and seasoning to food so don't do it if you don't like it. Snacks don't aways have to be healthy, I know mine weren't... I had lots of cake, cookies and sugary treats while ttc my boys.

[Girlieplease]

Thanks purple, I feel very confused on one hand excited about potential new baby on the other hand if af does appear at least I can give a proper go at swaying as I may always wonder what if, I agree with others not sure how you guys do it for months, it must be so time consuming and so disappointing when af arrives after all that effort! X

[Nann3r]

That's good to know at least. I just really don't eat much ever. Not cuz I'm trying to be thin or starve myself or anything I've just never had a big appetite. So I guess the hardest part for me is keeping blood sugar high. I'm normally anemic with my lifestyle. And was severely anemic while pregnant with DD. Hard to switch lifestyles haha

[Gagirl0221]

Nann,hated that you did not get your bfp this am I was hoping you would. Praying for all you ladies that everyone gets all bfp this year. Madentomorher we will be testing around the same time if you test early I would like to know. I'm ttc Boy. Wishing everyone Good Luck.

[Girlieplease]

How long have you been ttc nann? If af has not arrived surely there is always a chance? Hope you get a positive result soon and it's a blue one x o

[Nann3r]

This will make 4 months ttc. So not long by any means. I just didn't think it would take QUITE this long. I have regular 28day cycles. I JUST turn 24 last month. Only have one DD and she's only 9 months. I nursed for a month and a half before cycles came back and I stopped nursing. /: idk it's just frustrating. Both my SIL had one hit wonders.. And got boy too of course.. :( and I'm over here working my ass off spending so much money on ttc a boy and it's just not working.. But I also don't know much about ttc and all this, I only just started learning literally 9 months ago, just after DD was born lol so 4 months is probably totally normal.

[Nann3r]

4+ months anyway lol

[maidentomother]

Nann, I can definitely see how that would be stressful. I hope you see that BFP soon.

Girlieplease, welcome! I hope you get your 2nd DD, whether you are pregnant this month or not. We are cycle buddies , I'm 8dpo also with tons of symptoms but probably not pregnant, I'm on fertility meds and my BD timing was poor.

purple, I feel you. I developed acne rosacea right after my DH died and it has never gone away. I had perfect skin as a teen so extra annoying! Can you get meds to help you O sooner? Seems valid in your case.

Gagirl, I'll definitely post if I test early. It's sooo tempting especially as I if I am pregnant it could well be with multiples, so I might get a BFP sooner. But I don't test well on any urine tests so really trying to wait a whole more week. Are you 8DPO also or simply testing early?

[Girlieplease]

What symptoms do you have maidentomother? I really don't have many except a bit of discharge, bit of sickness and tingling in boobs, when are you going to test? Good to have people with you on the journey. I bd on the Monday and Tuesday ( early hours of Wednesday morning) and then ovulated on the Saturday, so I think it is highly unlikely that am pregnant, unless one of the wee swimmers hung around for ages! Maybe as I said reading all these posts about ttc is confusing me!

So frustrating nann, I feel like everyone around me has dd's two of my friends have not so long ago had their 3rd dd' s! X o

[Girlieplease]

Sorry just seen your going to wait another week maidentomother, I lp is usually short 10 - 11 days so af will probably show up before I would need to test x

[Nann3r]

I had DD March 30. And from March 30 to Dec 16 I personally know 14 babies that were born/announced. 11 were boys, 3 were girls :( all friends and family.. I just wanna be pregnant so bad again.. And I just wanna hear it's a boy so bad [emoji17] just like everyone on here though too haha. Makes swaying, ttc and waiting so much hard when I'm surrounded by people announcing and giving birth to boys!

[maidentomother]

Girlie, what symptoms HAVEN'T I had, lol! Since O Ive had uterine cramping about half the time, weird cramping on both sides (near tubes/ovaries) unlike anything I've ever felt at 2DPO, pinching/pricking on both sides of my uterus at 6-7DPO, sore & tingly boobs since 3 days ago (never had tingly boobs before, without any extra nipple sensation), exhausted and fell asleep for hours yesterday and today. My temps are also a very unique pattern. But since I released 4 eggs maybe it's just extra hormones.

I naturally have a 10 day LP on average but it is likely the meds/multiple eggs will extend my LP, thus why I am trying to hold out until 15DPO. But I may cave earlier if my temps stay high/continue to rise and I don't spot. Or if I feel REALLY pregnant. Or AF may just arrive on time on Tuesday.

I think you have a better chance than me. I've conceived from 6+ days before O but unfortunately DF wasn't feeling well so I only BDed once 6+ hours after I Oed which is very slim odds. Sperm last MUCH longer than eggs. Fx for us both.

[Nann3r]

Does pizza sway blue?? Cuz I'm having pity pizza right now and I can't remember what it sways or not lol.

[Nann3r]

I'm disappointed so pizza was the only answer :p

[tfahn]

I could live off pizza, so hopefully it does sway blue :)

[maidentomother]

It can. Eat a lot!

[twointow83]

Hi everyone, can I join you? think I may accidentally be in the 2 ww. We were not planning to get pregnant, I have one dd and 2 ds, my husband does not really want anymore but I so would love a wee sister for my dd, so does she. Anyway I was planning to do my research, get on the diet and maybe starting to sway pink in 3 - 4 months put I have the strangest feeling that am pregnant, I am only 8 do but feeling a bit nauseous, tingling boobs but could just be af on the way, I will feel really silly when af shows up now I have posted, I also wondering if it is reading all the ttc posts, it is muddling my mind, nice to meet you all and hoping this is your month! Also am new to gd, I only discovered it 2 weeks ago x o

Sure! Welcome. :fingers: for you!

[twointow83]

Long term pink swaying is really kinda depressing. It just grinds me down. I'm very much looking forward to not swaying for my 3rd (provided I have 2 girls first) and if I get a 3rd girl then I'll sway blue for my 4th. That is my plan, if I have time and fertility for 4 kids!

I was TTC'ing for 3 months and swaying for 4 or 5 last time and I couldn't even do it w/o cheating. I'm very BLUE in the way I live my life. I eat a lot of meat and prefer red meat, I love dairy, I love veggies to but they tend to be pretty pricey so I don't eat near as much as I'd like to and the way I prepare them gears them blue... I like BLUE swaying things lol and suddenly changing all that is extremely hard. I'm not even swaying anymore and the pinker elements of my life at the moment are driving me nuts. We've recently learned that DH has high cholesterol so we've been trying to eat leaner (i.e. healthier fats... although I think healthy fats sway blue??, white meat over red meat... though we've had red meat a few times since making the change, etc.) and I'm missing red meat in a big way already(chicken and turkey get old FAST!). I want a breakfast chop (the super thinly sliced ones) so bad I can taste it. I'm a big fan of cottage cheese... I could, and to a degree have, lived on it (I was eating it and other dairy products almost exclusively when we conceived DD) but I find the fat free version to be less than palatable so we just don't buy it... so I guess we are swaying girl by avoiding that. Anyway, my point is most PINK things aggravate me and I am not even swaying technically and I still have to deal with it, lol. I'm also going couch potato at the moment because I sit home bored to tears all day so I watch TV to have SOMETHING to do, which also sways pink. I'm also doing some blue stuff (healthy fats, eating breakfast and cereal, etc.) so I can't say I have a solid sway going AT ALL but I'm also not trying to :shrug: I honestly gotta give you ladies that do a full-on sway for months and years some SERIOUS props! Ya'll are stronger and/or more determined than me lol.

[twointow83]

I could live off pizza, so hopefully it does sway blue :)

It does and so could I lol ;)

[ksmom]

Nann I ate so much pizza back when I conceived DS1 and DS2. I could seriously eat a whole pizza myself despite my small size. �� I miss those days. LOL

[ksmom]

Twointow, I very much naturally lived a blue friendly life too. I've always eaten breakfast of some sort, lots of oatmeal/cereal, meat, full fat dairy, lots of fortified milk, lots of healthy fats like olive oil, snacking all day. I've been on LE for 8 months now and skipping breakfast for 14 months and it was a massive change for me. I've been doing it so long that it's my normal now but I really do miss eating whatever, whenever I want without ever worrying about cals/fat/protein. I've always hated exercise but I guess after doing it for so long now I don't feel right if I skip my workout. I feel like despite everything I've been doing to sway we'll still have ds3 but I figured I'd give it a go, ya know?
I really hope you still end up getting your rainbow girl. Heck I wish we could all get our DG!

[Gagirl0221]

Maidentomother I am 8 dpo today. I got my first positive opk New Year's Eve. It was pos for the next two days. We dtd that first night next morning next night and next morning. So I'm praying hard for bfp. I have been doing the he diet for 3 months. Guess we will find out soon I'm so impatient though.

[Nann3r]

Well FF doesn't lie. Nor do my hcg strips. Have some pink in my cm tonight. On to the next cycle ttc blue... [emoji17]

[twointow83]

Well FF doesn't lie. Nor do my hcg strips. Have some pink in my cm tonight. On to the next cycle ttc blue... [emoji17]

I'm sorry :( (((HUGS))) :fingers: that this next cycle brings your golden eggie!

[twointow83]

Twointow, I very much naturally lived a blue friendly life too. I've always eaten breakfast of some sort, lots of oatmeal/cereal, meat, full fat dairy, lots of fortified milk, lots of healthy fats like olive oil, snacking all day. I've been on LE for 8 months now and skipping breakfast for 14 months and it was a massive change for me. I've been doing it so long that it's my normal now but I really do miss eating whatever, whenever I want without ever worrying about cals/fat/protein. I've always hated exercise but I guess after doing it for so long now I don't feel right if I skip my workout. I feel like despite everything I've been doing to sway we'll still have ds3 but I figured I'd give it a go, ya know?
I really hope you still end up getting your rainbow girl. Heck I wish we could all get our DG!

That is all swaying really is.... doing what you can to up your odds of your DG but there are no guarantees. It just helps you feel like you did everything you could and it just wasn't meant to be if you get an opposite.

I'd still adore a little girl, but after so many losses it doesn't really matter to me what we get as long as we get to keep him or her. I do worry that if we get a boy I'll always have to live with the fact that we lost our DD (possibly DDs since we don't know our most recent loss's gender) but that'd be way easier to live with than knowing that we'll never have another healthy baby again... and the possibility of a boy never bothered me so I'm kinda in a place right now where we'd be over the moon for either gender :)

[Kmomofthree]

I'm sorry nann :-(

When is your next O due?

[Nann3r]

January 25th /:

[Kmomofthree]

January 25th /:

That's my birthday :-)

Saying a prayer for you for this month :HH:

[Girlieplease]

Nann so sorry, fingers crossed that next month will be yours. Think am out as well, definitely feel more periody this morning and I miscalculated and am only 8 dpo today. It is amazing how disappointed I feel, I wasn't even trying to get pregnant and yet am gutted? Cannot imagine what it is like for you ladies that have been working so hard at trying to get pregnant and it does not work! :-( x o

[purple]

purple, I feel you. I developed acne rosacea right after my DH died and it has never gone away. I had perfect skin as a teen so extra annoying! Can you get meds to help you O sooner? Seems valid in your case.


I had terrible cystic acne as a teenager so I'm used to having bad skin. Even when I was on the pill I would still get a couple here and there. When I look back at all my symptoms it seems so obvious that I have PCOS! I think the fact that I have always been thin meant I only just got diagnosed.

I am seeing a fertility specialist and opted to try metfomin first as a monitored clomid cycle will cost $400. I did use clomid two cycles ago because I got some left over meds from a friend. It made me O earlier but unfortunately I got a BFN. I also wanted to wait a little longer as I'm not really that keen to have a late Sept / early Oct due date as both my boys are born late Sept only 4 days apart!

[purple]

Sorry AF is on her way Nann :( Good luck for your next cycle!!

[Ttc2015]

So sorry Nann. I know how you feel so desperately wanting a boy and everyone around you seems to have them. It really feels like someone is rubbing salt into the wound, I hardly know anyone with all boys and both times I was pregnant almost all my friends had girls. My SIL is pregnant with number 2 and I just know it will be a girl.

I need to make a decision soon as to how long I'm willing to continue ttc. It's consumed me for well over a year now. I'm feeling bad as I have pretty much given up on the diet over the last few weeks! I still skip breakfast but am eating much more nutrient rich foods. Still hardly any meat but I did have a steak last night. And it was delicious! I will also need to change my name if I get a bfn this month!!!

[purple]

We are going to try until July/August, I needed to set a date of when to stop trying as I don't want to be able to move on if needed. I have already decided if it doesn't happen then we are doing a family cruise next year as it is something nice to look forward to that would be too expensive if we have 3 kids.

[Ttc2015]

That's a good plan purple! Great idea to have something fun to look forward to if it doesn't work out. When we went HT it took so long to persuade DH and I promised him we would only try once. Then when it didn't work I wanted to try again - I can see the temptation for keeping going until you succeed. It is really very hard to walk away from this dream. If our IVF had worked I would be due this month. I had always said I wanted to have our last baby by the end of 2015 but I think we will give it one more month. Because of my long cycles I will actually miss ovulating in January and it would be into Feb. Then I can really say I tried as hard as I could, I tried everything. I really don't fancy a December baby and for me personally I feel the age gap between my kids etc will be getting too big to be looking to go into 2017. All my boys will be at school this year and I know it will be too hard to go back to the baby stage, plus I had really wanted to have my last child before I was 35 and I will be 36 soon. I know lots of people have kids later these days, including lots of my friends and my own parents, but for me I just wanted to be done by my mid 30s and time is running out! Im a planner! I really hope it's worked this month so I can just stop with the obsessing and uncertainty. I think we are all in a similar boat though!

[maidentomother]

Ttc, I feel the same way, I wanted to be done having kids young, before 35 for sure. Maybe even before 30. Sadly that didn't work out though it's really my own fault.

Girlie, I got my first positive OPK on NYE so you are 9dpo like me most likely. Unless you know you usually O 2 days after your first positive?

purple, cystic acne is awful (I had about as an adult), how awful to have it for so long. I understand totally about your preferences as when to give birth. I hope the Met helps! What star signs are your boys?

Nann, until you have flow it's not totally over. And I still don't trust those strips.

[Nann3r]

Yeah full flow in affect today. Back to cd1 lol

[maidentomother]

Hugs Nann.

[tfahn]

Guess the hormones are still in my system

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[twointow83]

Guess the hormones are still in my system

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It can take a bit for it all to leave your system (((HUGS))) I'm sorry you are even having to worry about this stuff :,(

[maidentomother]

I caved and tested at 2pm (bc I had dark urine which is super rare for me), BFN of course. I never even get squinters, it's so disappointing! Just stark white BFNs. But my breasts are more sore today...this is why I should not test early, sigh.

tfahn, I hope your levels fade quickly.

[twointow83]

I caved and tested at 2pm (bc I had dark urine which is super rare for me), BFN of course. I never even get squinters, it's so disappointing! Just stark white BFNs. But my breasts are more sore today...this is why I should not test early, sigh.

tfahn, I hope your levels fade quickly.

9 DPO is still early. You aren't out yet! FX for tomorrow!

[Gagirl0221]

Maidento mother it's still early we don't have much longer that's what I keep telling my self just few more days. Fx for you and everyone else.

[maidentomother]

Thanks. I just hate that I don't even get evaps. I am just not a good urine tester. I definitely won't test for a couple days if at all.

[Quinn31]

Sorry Nann, I know that feeling well. I'm in the middle of cycle 7 so it feels like forever. It's been difficult to adjust to the "infertility" title as we were pregnant twice very quickly. It doesn't make sense that my body just shut down like this. Oh well. Just think each month that it takes is another month your dd will be more independent so you can focus on the baby.

9dpo is soooo early to test. I saw a visual about implantation and it made it so clear why most of us don't usually get early bfps. 11dpo seems to be the best day to test early.

We were able to get 4 attempts in about 48 hours of ovulation and one was the IUI with 22 million sperm so I'm soooo hopeful! [emoji120] The problem is my eggs so I'm hoping the acupuncture and yoga has helped me. I'm scared about only one follicle since my eggs may not be quality. Oh well, nothing left to do but wait for what seems like forever. I'm really taking the positive route though. I'm not googling things anymore and saying my affirmations. Anyone else do those?


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[Girlieplease]

So sorry nann, hope next month is yours and that is frustrating maidentomother but I agree it is still two early.

Maidentomother I use the clear blue fertility monitor, I spent a few months using the opks, because I did not want to shell out for the sticks for the fertility monitor and for three months I got not one single positive, was freaking me out. I have even got negatives with the opks when the fm said I was ovulating!

I went for a four mile run today and now am sore not like cramps more, A heaviness in my womb area, which is really uncomfortable and sometimes a bit sore, wondering if it is af? Anyone exercise in the 2 ww? Thanks
Maidentomother bring on the bfp! :-) x

[maidentomother]

Quinn, I know you're right, but I see a fair number of women on Fertility Friend get BFPs at 8 & 9DPO so it makes me think maybe I will too. Plus I felt weird pains on 6-7DPO. I even used one of my 10miu SurePredicts. And it really is rare for my urine to have colour.

it sounds like you are doing everything you can so I am optimistic for you!

Girlie, I am the same way, I almost never get true positive OPKs, but the CBFM and Advanced OPK give me Peaks/work great! That's part of what I meant about being a bad urine tester. I never got a BFP on a HPT with my last (twin) pregnancy that I miscarried at 5w. I think it's a combo of being a hyper metabolizer and having dilute urine.

If I were exercising I would definitely excerise all cycle long, way more effective for swaying and helps your circulation which is good for implantation. The heavy feeling could be anything!

[essnce629]

Good luck Quinn! Everything sounds really promising for you!

[tfahn]

Sounds like an awesome attempt this month Quinn, fingers crossed for you.

[farmgirl33]

Quinn - really hope this is your cycle. Fx for you.

Maiden - fx this is your bfp cycle too.

Girlie - I agree with maiden about exercise. Exercising during tww is good & helps with swaying still especially if you get a bfn. I was slack though my last tww & didn't really exercise. I regret it now as I have put on more weight. Luckily I am swaying blue but don't need excess weight. Wanted to only put on 2 kgs & so far since swaying have put on about 4.5 kgs.

I'm cd12 today & no pos opk's yet. Expect to get one tomorrow or Wednesday.



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[maidentomother]

My temp keeps dropping so I really think I'm out. I just hope AF comes SOON, like tomorrow! Or even today would be fine, I am cramping again. I just hate these long cycles.

Farmgirl, I hope you see a positive OPK soon.

[purple]

That's a good plan purple! Great idea to have something fun to look forward to if it doesn't work out. When we went HT it took so long to persuade DH and I promised him we would only try once. Then when it didn't work I wanted to try again - I can see the temptation for keeping going until you succeed. It is really very hard to walk away from this dream. If our IVF had worked I would be due this month. I had always said I wanted to have our last baby by the end of 2015 but I think we will give it one more month. Because of my long cycles I will actually miss ovulating in January and it would be into Feb. Then I can really say I tried as hard as I could, I tried everything. I really don't fancy a December baby and for me personally I feel the age gap between my kids etc will be getting too big to be looking to go into 2017. All my boys will be at school this year and I know it will be too hard to go back to the baby stage, plus I had really wanted to have my last child before I was 35 and I will be 36 soon. I know lots of people have kids later these days, including lots of my friends and my own parents, but for me I just wanted to be done by my mid 30s and time is running out! Im a planner! I really hope it's worked this month so I can just stop with the obsessing and uncertainty. I think we are all in a similar boat though!

I was going to be due this month too if I hadn't miscarried. By the time I have another (if it happens) both my boys will be in school or almost in school. My youngest starts preschool next month. I also wanted to be a bit younger too :(



purple, cystic acne is awful (I had about as an adult), how awful to have it for so long. I understand totally about your preferences as when to give birth. I hope the Met helps! What star signs are your boys?


One is Virgo and the other is Libra. Born the same month but different star signs :)

[Ttc2015]

So sorry about your miscarriage purple. I did have an embryo transferred but she didn't stick. Oh maybe I should stop being such a planner and wanting everything to fit into my life so perfectly?!! Maybe I'm supposed to have a huge age gap. Who knows.....

Anyway I also caved and did a frer this morning. Another stark white negative. This is getting very disheartening now. I think I'm 11dpo, af due Saturday, possibly Friday, so although it's early testing it could technically show a positive?

[maidentomother]

Both great signs, purple! It's why a September baby is always win.

Ttc, those stark white negatives are so awful. :(

[Gagirl0221]

So today my temp was 98.19 yesterday was 98.42 would you consider that a major drop I did not sleep well last night so hoping that was why it dropped. I was suppose to be 10dpo today took a test it was negative. Fertility friend changed my O day again so now I should be 12 dpo but I think I'm really only 10dpo. I got my first pos opk NYE night. Fx that I'm not out yet. Maidentomother I hope your not out yet either. Purple sorry to hear. Quinn fx for a bfp.

[maidentomother]

I'd call that a moderate drop. Are you still above cover line? Do you temp vaginally?

Sorry about the BFN. Where are all the BFPs this month?

[Gagirl0221]

No I temp oral. I was up a lot last night with my lil girl so I wonder if that why it dropped. Guess we will see how tomorrow goes hate the waiting game.

[twointow83]

No I temp oral. I was up a lot last night with my lil girl so I wonder if that why it dropped. Guess we will see how tomorrow goes hate the waiting game.
Or you could have had your mouth open as you slept and closed it before you woke up... fx for tomorrow.

🙏 for a healthy 🌈 🚼
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[Gagirl0221]

Thanks twointow83 I hope your right and this is my month.

[ksmom]

I'm so excited for those testing soon! It seems January has been slow so far, so FX there's a flood of BFPs in the next week or two! :D

So the game plan this cycle is E4D plus one attempt at pos. OPK. :nails: Atomic has advised me this is what she feels is best for my situation. I'm so nervous!! I'm definitely not doing a "kitchen sink" sway, just diet, exercise, and (originally) one attempt. I know I can get pregnant with one attempt...I did twice but for whatever reason they didn't stick. I'm just nervous to do be doing two attempts but I'm going to go with Atomic says and hope we can still get our girl. DH said he's willing to sway until we have a daughter but it's easier for him to say that! He's not the one doing LE! lol

[maidentomother]

Gagirl, if you temp orally then that could definitely lower your temp artificially.

ksmom, I am personally not a fan of E4D + one attempt at pos OPK bc depending on how the timing works out it can sway too blue IMO. I think E3D all cycle long is much better, more pink, better for sperm health, increased odds of conception without being too blue.

[ksmom]

But E3D could result in two attempts as well, right? Wouldn't that sway blue too?

[Quinn31]

Ksmom I know I'm only one person but with my second dd we had at least three attempts within 48 hours of ovulation and one was an IUI. I was living a moderate LE lifestyle with lots of diet cheats. Usually no breakfast and lots of fasting but lots of cheating because I love to eat!!


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[ksmom]

That's what I'm hoping for Quinn...that doing the diet and exercise for so long will override the extra attempts and sway pink. I think DS2 was from two attempts (if FF was right on my O date) but I was far from living an LE lifestyle. I don't want to stress over this aspect of my sway, I really don't but it's hard to let go of the one attempt because that's something I originally planned on sticking with no matter what. I think Atomic said the stats are 70% success with one attempt and 65% for two but that's of course in addition to doing the diet/exercise.

[Ttc2015]

Ksmom I will be moving onto e4d next cycle, one attempt doesn't seem to be working for us. 2 of by closest friends, who have all girls, were shocked that I was only having one attempt, so it's good to know they got their girls with multiple attempts. I think you are right, it's maternal state that sways the most and the diet/exercise will have done a lot for you so far.

[maidentomother]

ksmom, E3D, in addition to optimizing sperm health more than E4D, never allows for the possibility of BD 2 days in a row or 1 day apart, both of which could occur with E4D + 1, and those scenarios, especially if they occur on O-2 & O-1, O-3 + O-2, O-1 +O or O-2 + O/O-3 + O-1, are just way too many blue possibilities IMO. You have a high chance of two attempts on the days most likely to lead to conception. That's a big risk IMO, bc you are much more likely to get a blue scenario than not.

I agree diet is by far the biggest factor, but if you already have multiple boys, I think you need to keep BD as pink as possible within reason. With E3D, it's impossible for 2 attempts to fall on your most fertile days (O-2 +O-1). The worst scenario is O-3 + O, which is so much pinker than any of the above 5 bad scenarios. And with E3D, there is only 1 bad possibility vs 5! Your odds of a bad scenario with E3D are so much lower and the one bad scenario is not as bad as any of the E4D + 1 scenarios.

I hope that all made sense. If you want I can calculate the exact statistics but I'm probably overly obsessing already.

Also, atomic's statement about 2 attempts being only 10% less successful is not strictly true. That's an average, with O-3 + O maybe being only 1% less successful, and O-2 + O-1 being maybe 30% less successful (my guess), other scenarios being in between. Plus, most swayers only use OPKs to determine O day, and assume the day after first positive is O day, even though that's often not the case. So there are doubtless women who THINK they had 2 attempts, and entered that into the spreadsheet, but bc they Oed 1-3 days later than they realized, they actually only had one attempt. I believe this significant margin of error makes 2 attempts look much pinker than it actually is.

[ksmom]

Ttc2015, are you just doing E4D or are you doing it in addition to an attempt at pos. OPK? I know that one attempt doesn't always result in a girl, that it's not a magic bullet. I'm sure plenty of boys were conceived with BD just once in the fertile window. It's comforting to know that you know girl moms who DTD more than once around ovulation.
I hope we're both able to get our DDs soon!!

[XXforhubby]

Personally, I'm a fan of the E4D pattern. This typically has only one attempt in your fertile window, and you don't have the added stress of opks. E3D is my second favorite.

I agree with Maiden that E4D plus an additional attempt at positive opk, is the most blue friendly scenario by far. I would honestly choose BD E3D over E4D plus an attempt at pos opk.

FX and GL with whatever you choose! It's hard when you've been TTCing so long! I conceived my DS3 after swaying for 11mo and TTCing for 8mo! By the end, I didn't care anymore- I just wanted to get pregnant!


DS1[emoji125]🏼, DS2[emoji577], & DS3[emoji602] completes our family [emoji170]!

[ksmom]

Thank you Maiden! It makes sense, what you're saying. I agree that no one can really say they know exactly how many days before O they DTD without getting an ultrasound to confirm day of O or at least taking BBT. There was just so much confusion last cycle between my OPKs and chart that Atomic felt E4D+1 would be the better scenario. She also said I could do just E4D instead, whatever I prefer. I guess what I'm afraid of is having two attempts then regretting it if I get an opposite. I do want to get pregnant soon, so I'm not swaying for too long. I've already been on the diet since last May and exercise since August. I was supposed to be doing E4D last cycle but my libido was so low, I couldn't convince myself to do it. lol

[maidentomother]

Ksmom, you could just do E3D starting a week before your earliest ever O, or something like that. I feel you on the low libido, I have the same problem. :(

I've been having AWFUL cramping the past couple hours, feels in between my uterus and ovary? Maybe right side of uterus or a cyst or two on my right ovary? Or most likely both uterus & ovary, actually. Really, really bad, I so wish AF would come so I could take ibuprofen argh.

This has been a brutal LP since I stopped taking high daily doses of antihistamines, which atomic thought could be why I've not conceived. I've been so itchy off the meds I almost bled, my entire legs are scratched raw. And then there's the ear infection type pain, though it hasn't been as bad as I feared (I take the meds to control my ear pain). I never knew AH withdrawal could be so bad! I've been on them for almost a decade. And I'm not even completely off them, I still take 1 dose of something every 2-3 days out of desperation.

[ksmom]

Thank you XX! I think I've decided to go with E4D since I feel like it's a good compromise between one attempt at pos. OPK and upping pregnancy odds. Even though I want to get pregnant soon, I can't completely let go of the one attempt yet. Hopefully I'll be able to get pregnant this cycle with that BD pattern and still sway pink.

[ksmom]

I'm so sorry you're feeling miserable Maiden! Is it possible the cramping is from early pregnancy? I always seem to get super crampy in the TWW when pregnant. Is there anything else you can do for the itching like creams/lotions or is it not enough?

[Pbn3]

Maiden that scratching until your legs bleed or close to is the worst feeling ever. I've been in tears when its happened and could literally use a steel brush if I had one. I'm very lucky that it only happens here and there and I think I react to something they treat the town water with as when it does happen (not for ages now touch wood) it only ever happens after a shower, I can actually feel when it starts and get out straightaway but still get the all over leg itch for hours after. That under the skin itch in a hundred places at once that it seems no amount of scratching can calm. Getting shudders just thinking about it... Really feel for you xx

[farmgirl33]

I'm really feeling for you ladies who have been ttc for so long. I do believe too that maternal state is the strongest sway. With dd1 I'm not sure how many attempts we had. I came off the pill when we decided to try & 2nd cycle I got bfp. I didn't have a clue about opk's or tracking your cycle etc. With dd2 I had been off the pill for a month or so as we were going to start ttc in a couple of months, (dd1 was only 9 mths old) but I wanted my body to have a couple of "normal" cycles first. We had one night of unprotected bd as it was a middle of the night quickie & i ended up with a bfp. With dd3 we were trying shettles timing for a boy, but I was getting impatient at not getting a bfp as I was trying to only bd day of ovulation & was missing the egg. It was 3rd cycle ttc that I got bfp & we bd 3 times in fertile window 0-3, 0-2 & 0. The more I think about it the more I believe that I lived a Le lifestyle. Was never a big breakfast eater, never exercised, was always trying to watch what I ate, loved my meat, but probably didn't really eat any other high protein foods. Rarely ate eggs. Have always loved dairy. But I think I was a very inconsistent eater & would not snack much unless I had cravings as I was trying not to gain weight. With dd3 I remember I had worked hard to get my weight back to an ideal weight & I was eating a lot of salads etc.


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[pinkin2011]

When I conceived ds2 I only dtd once on ovulation day we didn't have any other attempts. This time I am doing E4D still with only 1 attempt in my fertile widow I still feel that 1 attempt is best.

[farmgirl33]

Maiden - sorry to hear about you being so itchy. That is such a horrible feeling. My dd3 has allergies & she sometimes has flare ups with her skin & it can be hard to stop her scratching. Her skin is actually the best it's been lately.

Pbn - hope you are going ok. X


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[Girlieplease]

Maidentomother to mother, cramping sounds intense and therefore positive? When are you going to test? I am toying with idea of testing tomorrow, period is due Wednesday, I work on a Wednesday so would not get a chance, I could nip into town tomorrow after I drop children at school and buy a test. Sometimes I feel like my period is about to start and other times it feels the complete opposite.

My goodness you ladies are so knowledgeable about ttc, with my previous three pregnancies I just had sex a few times, vaguely in my fertile window and thought nothing more about it.

Sometimes my cycles vary in length, I have only been monitoring them over the past few months, some cycles I have gone 36 days between periods. Am in right in thinking that lp phase stills largely the same length but just when you ovulated can change, so for those really long cycle s I may have ovulated much later than day 14 but still had 10 - 11 lp stage.

Keeping everything crossed for you maidentomother and everyone else chasing the bfp! X o

[purple]

Thank you XX! I think I've decided to go with E4D since I feel like it's a good compromise between one attempt at pos. OPK and upping pregnancy odds. Even though I want to get pregnant soon, I can't completely let go of the one attempt yet. Hopefully I'll be able to get pregnant this cycle with that BD pattern and still sway pink.

What about e4d and 1 attempt at opk+ if the last attempt wasn't too close? That is what I would probably do :)

[ksmom]

Purple, I've thought about that too. I feel pretty good about doing E4D but I am a little worried it might end up being an O-3 and an O+1 attempt which aren't great odds. :/ Idk, I'll probably end up playing it by ear. :)

[maidentomother]

Ksmom, I doubt the cramping is pregnancy related. I've been pregnant 6 times and never had any cramping at all with them. I am pissed AF hasn't come yet, I guess my LP will be extended blahhhh. Unfortunately, no creams help itching for me at all, never have. Whenever I get allergic reactions (I have super sensitive skin), I have to go on weeks of high dose corticosteroids to prevent scratching myself to the point of scarring. :(

Pbn3, I'm so sorry you're familiar with the horror of extreme itchiness. The only thing worse IMO is being nauseated. I have fantasized about steel brushes...I've had similar responses to water that is highly chlorinated so I think maybe that's what bothers you too? I also can't stand the feeling of salt wayer drying on me. Anyway it's sooo hard not to scratch constantly. What's worse is my pain meds (opiates) cause itching too! My rosacea on my face has flared up, so I have spots on my face, my face is puffy, and hot/itchy. I'm really hoping the AH withdrawal is temporary and will settle down eventually.

Hurry up AF!

[maidentomother]

Thanks farmgitl. :)

Girlie, I might test tomorrow if my temps stay up/increase and if I still have no spotting. The longest my natural LP has ever been is 11 days (I'm 11DPO today), though I did have a cycle where AF didn't start until early evening 11DPO (usually I wake up with AF having started early in the am). My breasts are less tender today and my nipples that were sore yesterday are normal today, so not really optimistic. The cramping is a bad sign for me, see my post above.

You are correct, your O day can move around quite a lot but generally LP length is fairly consistent. My cycles have ranged from 21 to 35 days, excluding the effects meds/illness. They average 28-29 days.

I hope you see a nice dark BFP when/if you test!

[Girlieplease]

Maidentomother I really hope for you it is a positive, am not going to test today as I feel af is going to arrive tonight or tomorrow morning, feeling very like I usually do before af, like you I just wish it would hurry up, this dragging on is it isn't it, drives me nuts! I feel if I went and got a test it would only be clutching at straws, better to wait until tomorrow and let af come! Am just amazed at how gutted I feel, I cannot even sit and eat chocolate or cakes because of the diet! Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh! X o

[Ttc2015]

Ksmom I think our next cycle will be our final so yes I will do every 4 days plus one in fertile window (but only if e4d does not fall in fertile window, which I think it will). I just want to get pregnant now, draw a line, move on, deal with whatever happens. So I need to know I have tried absolutely everything I could have to conceive, whether it's blue friendly or not. Another negative this morning at 12dpo, but af not due until the weekend so outside possibility could still get a positive, but I doubt it as have no symptoms. It just happened so easily with the boys, I'm a bit worried something has happened to my fertility since then.

So sorry to hear your discomfort maiden, it sounds awful! You hav not had an easy time! Def try another test, fx

[maidentomother]

Girlie, I feel like AF is imminent too. Cramping mildly and almost watery CM.

A filling just fell out (last molar, bottom left, against my wisdom tooth) and I swallowed it accidentally. :( Is it okay to brush my tooth hole/nearby or should I just use mouthwash? I don't even have a dentist here, sigh.

[purple]

I would say it is ok to just brush it well until you can get to a dentist. My filling came out last year and I left it almost 4 months before I got it it fixed... I was a bit distracted by the whole miscarriage thing and it came out while I was pregnant.

I'm wondering it it is possible I already ovulated, i doubt it because I normally can tell when I do but maybe my symptoms weren't strong if it was early. I had a bit of O pain around cd14-15. This is why temping is so useful but it stresses me out although then at least I know where I'm at in a cycle!

[maidentomother]

Purple, thanks so much for your input. Was it a big filling? Mine was very deep & quite large, 1/3-1/2 of my tooth. I can't stop touching the sharp edges with my tongue. So you didn't end up losing a tooth or anything?

Do you have any complete past charts I could look at? That would help with determining if you've Oed. Are you temping vaginally? Your temps seem a bit low plus no fertile CM...I'd be inclined to say you haven't Oed yet.

[Girlieplease]

Maidentomother I have no CM, is that not more common before AF? I thought it was suppose to dry up? so that is maybe a good sign for you???? AF is like the worst, complete evidence that your not pregnant and as if that is not bad enough it is painful and a real bother to have to deal with! I am not sure if I am going to try next cycle. I was not planning to get pregnant so soon, I was planning to get on the diet a few months, do my research and then try. Now am confused because I now feel that I have missed out, even though I did not plan it, it sort of makes me keen to try again. I am still hopeful for you Maidentomother you had alot more symptoms than me. I had cramping before I got a positive pregnancy test with DD, I had CM as well and as I knew nothing about pregnancy at that stage I thought I was having a mc!

Anyone else really disappointed that the timing idea for swaying girl or boy does not work? I think the more I read about swaying, the more I think there are so many variables that interact that it is nearly impossible to predict.

Fingers crossed for everyone, who all are waiting to test?

[ksmom]

Ksmom I think our next cycle will be our final so yes I will do every 4 days plus one in fertile window (but only if e4d does not fall in fertile window, which I think it will). I just want to get pregnant now, draw a line, move on, deal with whatever happens. So I need to know I have tried absolutely everything I could have to conceive, whether it's blue friendly or not. Another negative this morning at 12dpo, but af not due until the weekend so outside possibility could still get a positive, but I doubt it as have no symptoms. It just happened so easily with the boys, I'm a bit worried something has happened to my fertility since then.

So sorry to hear your discomfort maiden, it sounds awful! You hav not had an easy time! Def try another test, fx

I so hope you're right! I'd love to get a BFP this cycle, especially since I probably won't be able to test until around Valentine's Day. I have that paranoia too of what if I can't get (or stay) pregnant. After my losses last year, I have this nagging fear that if I do end up pregnant, I'll miscarry again. I hate having negative thoughts like that but I can't help it. Fingers and toes crossed I'm wrong and that we'll both get sticky BFPs soon!!


Maiden I'm sorry you're having such a rough time! :(

Purple I don't think you o'ed yet. What's the latest you have ever o'ed?

Girlie I hope you get a BFP soon! Getting AF is always so disappointing, especially when you thought there was a good chance of being pregnant. :/ I'm actually kinda glad timing doesn't sway because it would be SO frustrating to try and time DTD. There's really no way to accurately predict O down to the day, not even with OPKs. There are a lot of variables that decide boy or girl but the strongest sway tactics seem to be (for blue or pink) diet, exercise, and number of attempts. I think it's much simpler looking at it that way rather than worrying about timing or pH or minerals or whatever else they're doing over at IG. It is scary knowing swaying isn't a guarantee but it at least helps to tip the scales in our favor. :)

[maidentomother]

Girlie, I think it varies quite a bit from cycle to cycle and from woman to woman. I personally usually have a fair bit of CM most of my cycle. I have more CM in early pregnancy and sometimes I notice a small increase and/or shift to thinner, more fertile CM right before AF. So like my temps it could go either way. Remember I'm on fertility meds so all my symptoms could be a result of them. Plus since I have never cramped in pregnancy before, I just can't help but feel cramping is a bad sign for me.

I agree with you about AF, it is a real downer when TTC. I have severe cramps the first day too. Plus it's a reminder that I may have to wait 3+ weeks until I O...

I agree with ksmom that timing is too much of a hassle for me to wish it worked perfectly. But of course I would love an easy trick that guaranteed gender, like BD position or something. :D

Girlie, I definitely think 3 months minimum on the diet (plus cardio if possible) will greatly enhance your chances so worth waiting if you aren't pregnant currently (and I totally understand feeling disappointed if it turns out you aren't). How many kids/what genders do you have? If you already have 1 DD you may not need to sway as hard as others.

ksmom, I can't imagine going through 2 losses so close together and while swaying. I really hope you've 'used up' your lifetime portion of losses. I know it doesn't necessarily work that way but I think it is unlikely that your next BFP won't stick.

[ksmom]

Thank you Maiden. :) I really didn't think I'd have back to back losses, especially since I've always had relatively easy uneventful pregnancies. I'm actually glad I didn't get pregnant last cycle so that my body could have a bit of a break and have a regular AF. I know the odds are probably low I'll have another loss, but I also know I'll still have that doubt in the back of my mind, worrying me and wondering "what if?"

[Gagirl0221]

29299 I wanted someone to look at my chart see what you think? I think I may be out this month temp went back up this am but Im confused on when I O because fertility friend changed it. I know that I had first pos NYE peak the next 2 days. I should be the same 11 dpo today but it says I'm 13?

[ksmom]

Gagirl, unfortunately I don't think your chart is reliable because almost all of your temps were taken at different times. I think it's possible you didn't O until CD19 (or later) if you got a pos. OPK then.

[maidentomother]

Gagirl, how much variation in what time you take your temps? Is it always right after at least 3 hours of sleep? I personally take my temps at different times every morning bc I have an erratic schedule, but as long as I temp after my biggest chunk of sleep I get accurate results. Id guess you Oed between CD12-14, so CD13 maybe? Plus that makes you 11dpo like me! How long is your LP usually?

A secondary estrogen surge on CD17 could be responsible for the positive OPK the next day. What brand OPKs?

Do you usually O early? I think your chart looks great!

[Gagirl0221]

Ok thanks this was pic of the opk 2930129301 that I got a couple of days after other ones but I also know for sure the others was were very pos Bc I took to different kind and both were pos 31 1 and 2nd. It all confuses me.

[maidentomother]

Those aren't quite positive, I'd remove it from your chart. Sounds like you had a nice strong surge!

[Gagirl0221]

Maidentomother all of my temps were taken right when I woke up. Would LP be AF-AF ? I usually O cd 13-14. I used CBEA and wondfo. I hope I'm not out yet but if I am it's what is meant to be. Thanks for everyone help.

[ksmom]

I agree with Maiden that the OPK you posted isn't quite positive. It is possible to get an OPK like that after ovulation (I had one last TWW). Your LP is the length of time between O and AF, which for most women is between 10-16 days and is usually consistent each cycle.

[maidentomother]

Gagirl, how long are your cycles usually? That can help us estimate your LP. Very excited for you! Great job BDing too.

[Gagirl0221]

Usually they are are 26-28 days and last 4-5 days. Thank you! My husband was wore out. Lol.

[Gagirl0221]

Usually they are are 26-28 days and last 4-5 days. Thank you! My husband was wore out. Lol. meaning AF is usually every 26-28 days.

[maidentomother]

I understood. :) You probably have a 14 day LP so I wouldn't read TOO much into your temps. You should test on 15DPO, this Saturday, if you don't want to test early. Fx for you Gagirl!

[tfahn]

I had a repeat HCG test today, it's down to 20. So hopefully within the next week in will fall below 2 and I can resume trying. Does anyone know after the HCG falls will I ovulate again or should I be expecting another period first? Don't want to waste time doing OPK's if there is no need to.

[Girlieplease]

Gagirl you have certainly put the effort in hope you get a sticky bean. Your same post ovulation date as me, but I feel af will come in the early hours of tomorrow morning!

Maiden still no spotting for you? Is this looking hopeful? I have everything crossed for you. I have one dd and two ds, my dd is my eldest, she was conceived shortly after I got married and I was very thin at that time, that is no longer the case, though I have lost three and a half stone since March last year. I think diet may be a large sway factor for me, so am trying to be sanguine about imminent af and say it will give me a chance to try to sway, if I was pregnant now I would have definitely swayed blue with hints of pink. are you going to test tomorrow? X

[purple]

I had a repeat HCG test today, it's down to 20. So hopefully within the next week in will fall below 2 and I can resume trying. Does anyone know after the HCG falls will I ovulate again or should I be expecting another period first? Don't want to waste time doing OPK's if there is no need to.

I would expect it may be like the cycle after a miscarriage and you would ovulate once the hcg drops. I assume you have passed all the pregnancy tissue?

[purple]

Purple, thanks so much for your input. Was it a big filling? Mine was very deep & quite large, 1/3-1/2 of my tooth. I can't stop touching the sharp edges with my tongue. So you didn't end up losing a tooth or anything?

Do you have any complete past charts I could look at? That would help with determining if you've Oed. Are you temping vaginally? Your temps seem a bit low plus no fertile CM...I'd be inclined to say you haven't Oed yet.

Mine was only small as it was to fix my front tooth that had a chip come off. It was smooth when the filling came out but when it first happened it was sharp and I kept touching it with my tounge but I got it fixed within a few days then.

I agree I haven't O'd. Probably just wishful thinking that my body might actually work properly on its own.

Ksmom, the latest I have O'd is cd47 but I was averaging cd30 last year until I did clomid 2 cycles ago and it was cd18 then cd 17 the month after clomid.

[purple]

Anyone else really disappointed that the timing idea for swaying girl or boy does not work? I think the more I read about swaying, the more I think there are so many variables that interact that it is nearly impossible to predict.

Fingers crossed for everyone, who all are waiting to test?

I'm not. Shettles timing wouldn't work for me as I can't predict when I will O. At least one attempt at opk+ means I can get an attempt in each cycle.

[ksmom]

Oh gosh Purple that must be so frustrating to O so late! I get frustrated enough having my O usually between CD25-30. I was lucky enough last cycle for it to be a little earlier than that. Hopefully you O soon so you're not just waiting around to have your attempt.

Tfahn, I agree that you won't O until your hcg has dropped down to non-pregnant levels. Your O might be delayed or it might not be...hard to say. I didn't O until CD28 after my first loss but that's more of my normal. You likely won't have AF before you ovulate since this bleeding you're having is like the start of a new cycle.

Good luck Gagirl!! If you did O around the time FF says, then you got some really well timed attempts in!

[tfahn]

I would expect it may be like the cycle after a miscarriage and you would ovulate once the hcg drops. I assume you have passed all the pregnancy tissue?

I bleed for 3 days, wasn't much tissue that I saw/remember. Also 7 days before that I had bleeding for 3-4 days in what I thought was my period. I wasntnsure if there would be much tissue being a chemical pregnancy and not very far along.

So do most people wait to have a regular period before trying again? Torn on wether I should try if I ovulate this month or just wait until after my next period. This cycle was just really messed up so I don't know.

[maidentomother]

tfahn, I don't think you'll bleed again until after you O...so hopefully not at all bc you catch the very next egg. The clomid should still have a sway effect along with the loss, so great cycle for pink, so i would definitely not skip this cycle. Try to catch that first egg regardless of how late you O. I personally don't O late after early losses. Fx fx!

Girlie, still no spotting. I had mild cramping in the am, then it went away, and I had moderate cramping in the evening for a few hours before it dissipated again. My sore nipples came back and my breasts feel super tender again. My symptoms are definitely fluctuating, and have been for a few days. It's not just due to fluctuations in my dose of pain meds either, though I'm sure that's a factor. I am now officially late for a natural cycle, but on Vitex my LP was extended up to 14 days and I also had sore nipples/tender breasts most cycles. I'm afraid that since I'm on even stronger hormones now, my LP will be even longer, like 16 or 18 days! I will go insane if that happens and I'm not pregnant. I maaay test tomorrow.

Do you want a 4th child no matter what or are you trying primarily for a girl? I really want a daughter for my first child thus my swaying! It sounds like you could get another daughter without swaying but time on the diet will definitely up your odds a lot.

[tfahn]

I was doing a boy sway, but would love either. So hopefully the clomid and chemical don't sway too much :)

[maidentomother]

purple, that is so awesome you Oed almost as early the cycle after clomid. I hope I respond the same way, as I O late to and my plan is to do clomid next cycle, nothing the cycle after, then clomid, then nothing. Hoping to make the most of the meds that way.

Of course, now I'm very curious when I would O next cycle if I didn't take clomid, I wonder how different things are the cycle after FSH injections?

[purple]

purple, that is so awesome you Oed almost as early the cycle after clomid. I hope I respond the same way, as I O late to and my plan is to do clomid next cycle, nothing the cycle after, then clomid, then nothing. Hoping to make the most of the meds that way.

Of course, now I'm very curious when I would O next cycle if I didn't take clomid, I wonder how different things are the cycle after FSH injections?

It was actually one day earlier, as you can imagine I was pretty happy with that! I thought it might be because of starting metformin but it must have been the clomid from the previous month.

If I start clomid in Feb / March I might do one on and one off to save some money.

[maidentomother]

Oops tfahn I'm so sorry I forgot! In your case I WOULD skip this cycle and wait until the next since you're swaying blue. An early loss shouldn't have as much if any of a pink effect beyond the first cycle after.

purple, that IS even better! I hope alternate cycles work well for you in the future too, if needed (hopefully not). Metformin can really do wonders to move up O.

[twointow83]

I bleed for 3 days, wasn't much tissue that I saw/remember. Also 7 days before that I had bleeding for 3-4 days in what I thought was my period. I wasntnsure if there would be much tissue being a chemical pregnancy and not very far along.

So do most people wait to have a regular period before trying again? Torn on wether I should try if I ovulate this month or just wait until after my next period. This cycle was just really messed up so I don't know.

After my CP I TTC'd the very next cycle. You really only need to wait a cycle if there was some type of intervention like a D&C. Many docs recommend waiting a cycle or two but IMO that is more for allowing the mom to grieve than anything. If the body wasn't ready to support a preg it wouldn't O... obviously in the case of interventions it is a bit different but in a natural, uncomplicated loss (where the body deals with the loss on its own without assistance of meds or procedures), esp. a CP, I think it's safe to follow your heart. wait if you need the time to grieve, don't if you feel okay with TTC'ing right away. Women lose pregs all the time that they don't even know ever existed because they didn't test. The body knows how to handle it, and a natural, uncomplicated loss does no damage to the body (the heart yes, but not the body) so it is really up to you. (((HUGS)))

[XXforhubby]

Girlie, I feel like AF is imminent too. Cramping mildly and almost watery CM.

A filling just fell out (last molar, bottom left, against my wisdom tooth) and I swallowed it accidentally. :( Is it okay to brush my tooth hole/nearby or should I just use mouthwash? I don't even have a dentist here, sigh.

Yes. This happened to me once before my dental insurance kicked in and was needing to get established with a new dentist in the area I moved to. Also, use a toothpick to gently remove food debris after eating.

I hope you can get it fixed soon!


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[XXforhubby]

Oh and my filling was quite large too- about 1/3 of my molar!


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[ksmom]

I have a question ladies, if we're doing E4D then should I make sure DH doesn't *ahem* "self-service" in between days we DTD?

[XXforhubby]

I have a question ladies, if we're doing E4D then should I make sure DH doesn't *ahem* "self-service" in between days we DTD?

Yes or at least too much, if possible. However, some men won't tolerate being told what to do in this department, and if that might be the case then don't worry about it!

FWIW, I didn't regulate my DH in this department and he was glad to have regular sex. Even now, he prefers the E4D, haha!


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[maidentomother]

Thanks so much XX! Love the toothpick idea. All these fruit & nut bars I've been eating are wreaking havoc on my poor teeth.

I overextended myself yesterday physically...couldn't sleep much due to pain. Barely 3 hours. Temp dropped a tiny bit, symptoms still going strong. I will try to wait until Saturday unless something exciting happens,

[ksmom]

Thanks! DH has a rather high libido so I know he'll likely be helping himself between days. LOL I'll mention it to him but if he's opposed to abstaining then I'll let him do what he wants. I have a feeling he'll just be glad we're DTD a few times a week rather than once every couple of weeks. ;)

[ksmom]

Sorry you're not feeling well Maiden. I still have my fingers crossed you'll get a BFP in the next few days!

[XXforhubby]

Thanks! DH has a rather high libido so I know he'll likely be helping himself between days. LOL I'll mention it to him but if he's opposed to abstaining then I'll let him do what he wants. I have a feeling he'll just be glad we're DTD a few times a week rather than once every couple of weeks. ;)

That's how my DH was and still is! It's nice for me that way if my DH decides he wants #4, I won't have to think about it and have a good shot for pink!


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[XXforhubby]

I hope you feel better Maiden! I wouldn't put much stock with your temp this morning after being so exhausted from yesterday.

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[Gagirl0221]

maiden praying for you. you will get your BFP soon. my temp is still up this am but BFN so fx for myself still. would it affect my temp if i woke up at 4:30 am went to potty then went back to seep around 5am and took temp at 7:15?

[Quinn31]

Tfahn Atomic told me a chemical wouldn't have much affect on my sway since I'm also swaying blue. I started bleeding about a week after af was due. I tried again this month and took clomid so hopefully it's okay but we don't have time to wait.

I'm only 4dpo and time is dragging!!!!! You would think I would feel confident after a cp but I've been reading a lot of stories about women who had a cp and then nothing. Plus I only had one good follicle. There's so much to think about and so much longer to wait!!


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[ksmom]

Quinn I've heard after a loss the body often puts out a really good quality egg. I'm pretty sure that's what happened after my first CP because I had the worst O pains of my life that cycle. I've got my fingers crossed so tight for you!! Really hope this is your month!

[tfahn]

Thanks Quinn. Yes Atomic also told me chemicals rarely have any effect on a sway and thought I should wait until my next period before starting again, she said that was nothing factual just a gut feeling since everything was so wonky this cycle. I too feel like I don't have time to wait, I will be 40 at the end of October so I know my chances for a BFP are lessening probably with every cycle I have.

I did take Clomid this month but since I was technically pregnant when I did take it I really don't know how that will effect my ovulation/eggs this month, if it will help it, hurt it, or have no effect at all. Also afraid that since it will be weeks since taking the clomid till I ovulate that I will produce super eggs or something and have crazy multiples! LOL :) I would be OK with twins, more then that I would have to quit my job that I love. But it seems it will be another week atleast till my HCG is under 2 and then I have to wait to ovulate. So if I wait till my next period before trying again that would be like 2 months away, or so it seems.

[tfahn]

After my CP I TTC'd the very next cycle. You really only need to wait a cycle if there was some type of intervention like a D&C. Many docs recommend waiting a cycle or two but IMO that is more for allowing the mom to grieve than anything. If the body wasn't ready to support a preg it wouldn't O... obviously in the case of interventions it is a bit different but in a natural, uncomplicated loss (where the body deals with the loss on its own without assistance of meds or procedures), esp. a CP, I think it's safe to follow your heart. wait if you need the time to grieve, don't if you feel okay with TTC'ing right away. Women lose pregs all the time that they don't even know ever existed because they didn't test. The body knows how to handle it, and a natural, uncomplicated loss does no damage to the body (the heart yes, but not the body) so it is really up to you. (((HUGS)))

Thanks Twointow. I think the CP has me more determined to get a BFP now, mentally I think I am ready to TTC again.

Good luck this cycle , hope you get your rainbow baby.

[maidentomother]

Gagirl, thanks! Yes, unfortunately what you described could raise your temp artificially significantly. I have found it does so by at least .2 F. But everyone is different. In the future, you should temp before you go pee. I always temp after my biggest chunk of sleep.

[farmgirl33]

Glad to hear a chemical shouldn't sway as I am going to try this cycle too & am also swaying blue. I am just waiting to o, thought I would have got a + opk yesterday, but nope. Fx it's today, I have more cm this morning then I have had so far this cycle so that's a good sign. Wanted to bd last night, but dh was too tired, he has been working long hours over the weekend & this week. 3 days since last bd(protected as DH is still keen to keep some shettles timing & not bd unprotected until +opk) so don't want to leave it any longer.

Tfahn - hoping your hcg levels go down quickly & O isn't too far away after that. It's sure been a crazy cycle for you.

Quinn - fx for you

[ksmom]

Anyone know for the E4D pattern do we just pick a random day to start BDing? I'm on CD6 right now and AF is pretty much gone, just very light spotting.

Good luck this cycle Farmgirl!!

[tfahn]

Thanks Farm girl. I have been reading on the internet that your HCG doesn't always have to drop down to Zero before you ovulate again after a MC, some women did ovulate with low levels under 20. Guess I should start using OPK's daily again to make sure I don't miss it. The last day I checked was Sunday and the OPK was negative. My DH just switched to a new job on Monday and working longer hours so I feel you on DH being to tired. :) Will you do multiple attempts at +OPK or is DH against that too? Good luck this month.

[XXforhubby]

Anyone know for the E4D pattern do we just pick a random day to start BDing? I'm on CD6 right now and AF is pretty much gone, just very light spotting.

Good luck this cycle Farmgirl!!

You start once AF leaves. You can start if AF is light or if you have spotting. We always do this, but some people prefer to wait until AF is completely gone.

FX and GL to you!


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[maidentomother]

BFN tonight at 12dpo. Stark white as usual. I was feeling awful, headache/nausea/feverish, thankfully much better now, but it prompted me to test. Plus food tastes weird today. Now I will try REALLY hard to wait until 15dpo.

[tfahn]

Sorry Maiden. Fingers crossed your not out yet

[Girlieplease]

So sorry Maiden, no af so still a possibility, am keeping everything crossed for you.
No af with me either and now am swaying more towards I am pregnant, tested this morning and Bfn! Am going to wait until Saturday but cave on Friday. I think if I had two girls I probably would have stopped at three but feel that I have to give myself every chance to have another girly before I say my family is complete, not sure how I would manage three boys and deal with my little girls upset about it, but am sure I will find a way, newborn cuddles are amazing no matter if they are pink or blue, good luck everyone, let's have some January bfp's x

[Magical22]

Sorry to hear maiden [emoji17]


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[Gagirl0221]

Still praying maiden and Girlie we are all in the same boat. I pray we all get BFP soon. Hope you feel better maiden praying my temps will stay strong and AF will not show her ugly face.

[farmgirl33]

Tfahn- probably a good idea to start opk's daily now then. Do you check cm too? I usually get a few days of watery/ little ewcm before I get a +opk. We will do at least 3 attempts at + opk. I would be all for letting go of shettles completely but one of dh's older friends swears that's how he got his son after 3 girls & he told him of a couple of other people it worked for too, so dh can't completely let it go.

Fx for maiden, girlie & gagirl. Hope those bfp' s are just around the corner.


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[pinkin2011]

Hi girls, How is everyone?

I am cd 10 today I am doing the e4d this month. I am on 50mg of clomid again I am not having a scan this month just bloods. The scan is very expensive and its a 5 hr round trip for us so I hope I am not over stimulated this month. Last month I only had the one follicle so I really hoe I don't have more then 2 this month. I plan to bd at positive opk which hopefully will be cd18. I will play it by ear tho. FX for this month!

[purple]

You should probably be ok pinkin if you are just doing 50mg and you have done it before. I have ovulated about the same time the 3 times I have done clomid.

I would consider also doing opks and having an extra attempt at opk+ if it was more than 2 days since the previous attempt. I don't think I would feel comfortable with an O-4 attempt when on clomid.

[pinkin2011]

I will definitely be having an attempt at positive opk I really need to get pregnant.

Last month I had my scan on the friday which showed a 22mm follicle. The dr told me that id ovulate within 24hrs but my opk still wasnt positive it never actually went positive until the sunday and I had BAD pains monday. We dtd on the friday and that was it because I thought I could trust a scan over opk but opk have never been wrong for me yet so will be sticking with those. Thanks purple! xo

[purple]

Sounds like a good plan! clomid pains are horrible. My last clomid cycle was so painful I really struggled with BDing. I'm not really looking forward to have to experience it again!

[purple]

I managed to find some Wondfo ovulation tests on Amazon that send to Australia so I thought I would try them as they are supposed to be better than the ebay cheapies. Hopefully they work ok for me.

[maidentomother]

Gagirl & Girlie, how funny we are all in the same boat. 13dpo and pulling BFNs (haven't tested today and won't, must hold out to Sat). I hope it's not my bad luck affecting you.

I had a temp jump today but I often have one right before AF. My body loves to lead me on!

pinkin, you should be fine without scans. Fx for you.

purple, I looove Wondfos, they really are the best!

[Gagirl0221]

Well I caved and tested today I think I'm going to hold out until Sunday also now another bfn but temp rise also. 98.38 to 98.46 . Guess we will all know soon. enough hate waiting game. Fx for us all.

[tfahn]

Tfahn- probably a good idea to start opk's daily now then. Do you check cm too? I usually get a few days of watery/ little ewcm before I get a +opk. We will do at least 3 attempts at + opk. I would be all for letting go of shettles completely but one of dh's older friends swears that's how he got his son after 3 girls & he told him of a couple of other people it worked for too, so dh can't completely let it go.

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Sounds like you have a good plan in place farmgirl, hopefully you get a +OPK soon.

I don't check CM daily, if I notice EWCM I will put it on FF. I did test with an OPK last night and it was not positive, I will continue to check daily now. Glad it wasn't positive last night, it has been a week since BD (I was bleeding 3 of those days) and with DH starting his new job this week he is extremely tired. So I might be skipping this cycle after all if DH isn't on board for our usual EOD schedule.

[maidentomother]

Gagirl, I'm sorry! But yay for a temp rise. Is that a good sign for you?

tfshn, I hope DH feels more rested soon.

[Gagirl0221]

I hope it's a good sign Bc the past 2 months my temp dropped before AF. But who knows I think when you want to be pregnant bad your body will play tricks on you.

[Girlieplease]

I know I got a negative test on Wed but am certain am pregnant, I have the deathly white pale look pregnant women get, sore breasts, stretching pains in my womb area, I have been thinking alot about my other pregnancies and I never got anything positive until day 13 post ovulation and for two of my previous pregnancies it was only faint at 13 days, think am going to test tomorrow. Keeping everything crossed for you guys, bring on the bfp' s x o

[tfahn]

Good Luck Girlie, hopefully you see a BFP tomorrow.

[tfahn]

So torn on whether or not I should TTC this cycle or not. Atomic says weird cycles usually sway pink, if I just had a chemical pregnancy that wouldn't effect the sway, but with all the other things this cycle, it was for sure a weird one.

I would totally be OK if we had a girl but would like to think I tried everything for a boy sway, then if I had opposite it was just meant to be a girl. But on the other hand if I skip this month, what if I am passing on a really good egg and don't get a BFP next cycle then I'll be all about the what ifs. Oh the decisions! :)

[pinkin2011]

I managed to find some Wondfo ovulation tests on Amazon that send to Australia so I thought I would try them as they are supposed to be better than the ebay cheapies. Hopefully they work ok for me.

I have heard they are pretty good! I buy the Pregnosis brand from Chemist Warehouse. They seem to be doing the trick .

[Kmomofthree]

Just popping in to say hi! I've been stalking around....... it's so funny, I am so active (not so much in recent weeks) on IG but then I came over here and switched my sway around and now I feel like a lurker because I don't "know" anyone here.

I have my fingers crossed for everyone :fingers:

I'm only on cd 8. I should ovulate around cd 14, but in December it was cd 12 so I'll start opk'ing on day 10.

I feel so impatient waiting around but I can only imagine the real torture will be the 2ww!

[XXforhubby]

So torn on whether or not I should TTC this cycle or not. Atomic says weird cycles usually sway pink, if I just had a chemical pregnancy that wouldn't effect the sway, but with all the other things this cycle, it was for sure a weird one.

I would totally be OK if we had a girl but would like to think I tried everything for a boy sway, then if I had opposite it was just meant to be a girl. But on the other hand if I skip this month, what if I am passing on a really good egg and don't get a BFP next cycle then I'll be all about the what ifs. Oh the decisions! :)

Don't skip this cycle! I had a miscarriage the cycle before we conceived DS2!! Trust me on this- your overall condition sways WAY more than a chemical!

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[Gagirl0221]

Girlie, I am praying you are can't wait to hear what your test says. Fx for you. I'm not sure that I am not much symptoms if so the only thing I have noticed is I can smell everything lately and today I took a nap which is very unusual for me. But TMI i thought i seen a very lil red it seemed in my cm today when I wiped but is was really small so could not tell that great. Also have not seen anything since. So Im not feeling I am but I am going to wait to test sunday unless other things happen. I really should of had AF today but def should have AF by Sat if Im going to. Praying for everyone to get BFP soon. I was thinking today though if AF comes then I still have another chance to get pregnant by the end of the month which is still good with me.:pray:

[maidentomother]

Girlie, I so hope your intuition is right! I've never heard of paleness being a sign of pregnancy, it it common or just a quirk you experience? How dark are you to begin with? Other than that I have all the same symptoms. But I don't feel pregnant.

Kmom, nice to see you here! Good luck this cycle, O isn't far off for you. :)

I thought I maybe saw a hint of tan tint to my CM when I went to the bathroom and first wiped, but after bearing down repeatedly and wiping more the TP was white so I hope it wasn't a bit of spotting. My breasts seem much less sore today so I do think AF will be here in a day or two.

Gagirl, as I mentioned above I might have spotted a teensy bit. If do I'm definitely out. I have had sn enhanced sense of smell the past few days too, and fell asleep in the afternoon two days in a row despite plenty of sleep. Strange how in tune you, I, and Girlie are! Saturday should be revealing for me too.

I've been considering drawing some blood (I'm trained in phlebotomy), separating out the serum and using it to test with if I get a BFN Saturday despite high temps and no AF still. I didn't ever get a BFP with urine my last pregnancy, not even 23dpo, despite high betas. So I know I'm a bad urine tester, and Monday seems so far away. That's the earliest I could have a beta done.

[tfahn]

Don't skip this cycle! I had a miscarriage the cycle before we conceived DS2!! Trust me on this- your overall condition sways WAY more than a chemical!

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Thanks XXHubby, that makes me feel better.

[Magical22]

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[maidentomother]

Tan spotting...I am definitely out. I never spot when pregnant. I guess AF will come tomorrow. I hope my LP is not any longer than 14 days on Clomid, I'll go insane!

[pinkin2011]

Tan spotting...I am definitely out. I never spot when pregnant. I guess AF will come tomorrow. I hope my LP is not any longer than 14 days on Clomid, I'll go insane!

My Lp without clomid is 14 to 15 days

First cycle of clomid last month and it was a 15 day LP

[pinkin2011]

And I am really sorry you are out this month maiden :(. I have been trying for a while now and its starting to get harder these bfns. Hopefully this next cycle is the one xo

[purple]

My LP with clomid was 12 days and it is 11-12 days normally. Sorry AF is on its way :(

I'm still waiting to ovulate but now I have decided it is better that I don't ovulate until at least Tuesday as I want to be no more than CD5 at my next appointment. Of course I will probably go an ovulate on Monday now and be CD6 at the appointment so too late for clomid (although I did take it cd6 last time but it was way more painful).

[maidentomother]

Thanks ladies. My normal LP averages 10 days so 14 seems like forever. I knew my chances were slim this month considering how late I BDed. I'm super excited to try Clomid and I will BD E4D, so hopefully we all get lucky!

I've started back cramping so maybe AF will even arrive today?

purple I hope you won't have to worry about that.

[Gagirl0221]

Maiden, I'm very sorry. I'm in the same boat I'm sure spotted when I wiped today very light but temp dropped but still above cover line but I have had a headache for 2 days so I'm pos AF is making her appearance. Good luck to everyone else. Fx for BFP next cycle.

[XXforhubby]

Maiden- I'm so sorry AF is on her way [emoji20]. Hopefully with Clomid and better times BDing, your BFP will be around the corner!

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[Girlieplease]

Oh nooooooooo Maiden and gagirl! Hope your wrong and af does not show up. Am still here no af, tested this morning and test did not work no control line, tested just now and negative, I know it was not the first urine so am confused, not sure what is up with my body, ectopic ? Would it take pregnancy hormone longer to increase an ectopic? Am so sure am pregnant, frustrating x o

[Gagirl0221]

Girlie, not sure about eptopic don't know much about that. Fx that you are pregnant and you get your BFP soon. Hate your test did not work this am just try not to stress yourself out. Test again in the am. I'll update if AF truly shows up which I'm sure she is going to.

[maidentomother]

Thanks XX, Gagirl, hugs!

Girlie, I would not jump to tue conclusion of an ectopic, especially without temps confirming O. It's a million times more likely (at least! )that you Oed later than you think, or implanted late, or both, than that you have an EP. Especially don't let a broken test worry you. Go test with a new test!

It is true that BFPs often show up late, but a more reliable sign is a faint BFP that doesn't get darker. And ectopics are pretty rare anyway so like I said, very unlikely. I've had an EP, I never got a BFP with urine, but I had a uterine twin so not a normal EP. I have never not seen a control line when testing with HPTs. But manufacturing errors do happen.

[Quinn31]

So sorry ladies that think af is around the corner. I know that feeling well. I know I always take a day off when I start and then think of all the things I can do to help next month. I really hope you get good news soon.

I'm 6dpo and have been depressed about only one follicle since I most likely have egg quality issues with such a high FSH. I did notice a lot of cm yesterday and the first things I saw when I googled "5dpo increased cm" were women who ended up getting bfps! I never check my cm so I don't know if this is new but I'm going with it to be positive since I have such a hard time with that. Good luck everyone else!




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[tfahn]

Sounds like a good sign Quinn, fingers crossed you get your BFP. What day do you plan on testing?

[tfahn]

So how do you mark your chart in fertility friend if you had a MC or CP? I never really got a positive on a test at home, I started bleeding on Dec26 so FF marked that as CD1. Then I started bleeding again on Jan 6th which is when I got blood work and found out I was pregnant but having a MC/CP, I marked that bleeding in FF also but it didn't start a new cycle. Confused as to what CD I should be. Any thoughts?

[Girlieplease]

Am out, af arrived! Am gutted, fingers crossed for the rest of you, let's have some bfp' s to cheer me up x o

[Quinn31]

Oh girlie, I'm really sorry. Take the day to treat yourself.

Tfahn- one cycle when I was ttc dd2 they noticed I had a cyst and I had to do the trigger shot to get rid of it. That made my cycle start over after 14 days. So I would suggest starting day one when you bled again. I'm not one of the experts though.


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[maidentomother]

tfahn, I would consider the first day of your second round of bleeding CD1. There is an option on the FF website to manually start a new chart.

Quinn, yay!

Girlie, I'm so sorry. My AF cramps just kicked in big time so I'm expecting to see AF any moment. I haven't spotted since this am but I've been very dry since which is usual for me just before AF. I can't believe my breasts and nips are still sore, what a tease argh!

[tfahn]

I just asked Atomic about my chart, she said that CD1 wouldn't be until my HCG is back to zero so I am just going to leave it as is for now.

[purple]

Sorry AF arrived girlie :(

Tfhan, I would leave it for now and label the cycle with some details. It's not really going to be a normal cycle so keep it out the stats.

[farmgirl33]

Girlie - so sorry af arrived ☹️

Quinn - fx your cm is a good sign. We need some bfp's this month.

Maiden - really hope af doesn't arrive.

My opk's have been getting a bit darker so hoping today I get a pos. Would work out really well as all 3 kids are going to my parents for 2 days so dh & I would be able to get a morning bd in with no worries about kids waking etc.


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[Girlieplease]

Thanks everyone, am amazed how upset I am, my husband does not understand, he just says but you were not ever pregnant, he just does not get it. Well am keeping my fingers crossed still for you Maiden, I need cheering up! X x

[essnce629]

Thanks everyone, am amazed how upset I am, my husband does not understand, he just says but you were not ever pregnant, he just does not get it. Well am keeping my fingers crossed still for you Maiden, I need cheering up! X x

So sorry AF arrived Girlie! Our bodies really do play tricks on us though, especially when we're symptom spotting for pregnancy signs! My chances each month are extremely low as DH insists on pulling out, but every single cycle I have multiple days of nausea, tender breasts, increased sensitivity to smells, etc. Last cycle I even threw up randomly at 12dpo! I think it's just totally normal and due to increases in hormones, etc. Just when we're not TTC we don't pay attention to our bodies as much LOL! And actually, when I got my last BFP, I had no symptoms at all and I feel a lot of women say the same thing!!! Crazy symptoms = not pregnant, No symptoms = pregnant

[pinkin2011]

I am cd 12 today.. I will start my opk tomorrow I think.

For those who have taken clomid did you find ovulation was roughly the same day each cycle? I ovulated cd18 last month I am trying to do e4d so my next bd will be cd14 an then cd 18 but really I need to see how my opk are going... The e4d thing is going to be tricky for me I think as I really want my one attempt at pos opk.

[purple]

I o'd days 19, 19 and 18 with clomid. Each cycle was several years apart so I have never taken it consecutive months.

[pinkin2011]

Purple , were you prescribed clomid ? did you get pregnant from taking it? If I don't get pregnant this month ( attempts at pos opk) then I think I am just going to dtd every day over my fertile period as I really want to get pregnant now , ds2 is 3.5 and I am 32 I feel I need to get pregnant NOW!

[maidentomother]

Ladies, AF arrived at 11pm last night, instead of in the am right before I wake up as it usually does. So when should I take my Clomid? If I'm aiming for CD3-7, should I take it late the night of CD2 or early am CD3 or later on CD3? Let's say AF arrived 8-10 hours earlier than usual. Thoughts?

Soooo glad to have that last cycle done with! Essnce, I totally agree with you, we go crazy when TTC. I never have early symptoms when I'm actually pregnant.

DF is not thrilled about every 3-4 days but we'll do the best we can.

[purple]

Purple , were you prescribed clomid ? did you get pregnant from taking it? If I don't get pregnant this month ( attempts at pos opk) then I think I am just going to dtd every day over my fertile period as I really want to get pregnant now , ds2 is 3.5 and I am 32 I feel I need to get pregnant NOW!
I got pregnant with DS1 the first time, got pregnant but m/c 2nd time and last time was October and I got a bfn. I was prescribed it the first 2 times for long irregular cycles.

My bfn month I had an attempt O-3 and on O.

[purple]

Maiden, if AF arrived last night then CD1 is today. Anytime after 12 noon you count as next day apparently. I would stick to taking clomid 3-7

[maidentomother]

Purple, thanks. I know CD1 is the next day...just worried the time difference might matter hormonally. I really don't want to O late again this cycle!

[purple]

I don't think it will matter. I took it 6 to 10 (evening) last time and o'd a day earlier than taking it 5 to 9.

[pinkin2011]

my first cycle on clomid was a piece of cake. Not a problem at all.

This cycle OMG I am going insane. I am so moody and angry I can really feel it too. I really feel if I get a bfn this month then I want to give up. I have spent the whole afternoon crying for no real reason, I just feel sad/angry/moody. I can only put it down to the clomid? I can not do this every month I will end up divorced!! Maybe I should just stop now and forget about a 3rd baby........

[Magical22]

my first cycle on clomid was a piece of cake. Not a problem at all.

This cycle OMG I am going insane. I am so moody and angry I can really feel it too. I really feel if I get a bfn this month then I want to give up. I have spent the whole afternoon crying for no real reason, I just feel sad/angry/moody. I can only put it down to the clomid? I can not do this every month I will end up divorced!! Maybe I should just stop now and forget about a 3rd baby........

I can relate to this, either my first or second cycle of clomid ttc#3 I lost it I was so angry I actually got in my car and left my house. I got grumpy at DH for something and actually stormed out. I just went to the shops for a few hours but that was so not like me. I have never in my life ever done anything like that, DH and I have anyways communicated great we ever fight with each other, but omg clomid that cycle was crazy. But I only had 1 cycle like that the other 5 months trying on clomid I was much better.

So still waiting around for mid February to do our next FET, can't believe I'm still ttc #3 it's been over a year now [emoji17]


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[TaytumJ]

I found Clomid made me really emotional and irrational too, mostly the second round. I would freak out about little things that DH was doing that I felt wasn't helping our chances of conceiving and looking back, I'm sure it made no difference. But, it was lucky round #3 on Clomid that I got my BFP. Hang in there ladies! ❤️


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[Gagirl0221]

Girls! I'm officially out this round will try again at the end of the month. AF made her appearance this AM. Good Luck to everyone else. Praying for you all.

[maidentomother]

Sorry Gagirl. :( At least you, I and Girlie are all cycle buddies.

It makes sense that the 2nd cycle in a row on Clomid would have worse symptoms. Bc the effects linger for a cycle or more, so it's an echo effect. Alternating clomid & natural cycles would probably be a lot more tolerable and would make the most of the clomid.

[TaytumJ]

That's a good idea Maiden! I felt like on top of physical symptoms, there was the disappointment that I thought my first round would be the magic ticket. When it wasn't, mentally I was exhausted and disappointed, which only added to it all.


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[pinkin2011]

I am not usually like this either!!! I wanted to just go hop on a train and go yesterday.. I hope today is a better day but really I have been feeling this way for a few days now. I just really want to get pregnant this cycle!!

[Ttc2015]

AF arrived for me this morning too. Going into what will probably be our last cycle now, depending on dates. It's been a horrid week.

[maidentomother]

Taytum, I can't imagine having extra hormone fueled disappointment on top of the normal already hormone fueled disappointment! Eeek. You poor ladies, I hope I'm able to avoid that with alternate cycle use.

Ttc, I'm sorry hun. Hugs to you. But nice to have FOUR of us on the same CD or a day off. Fx we all O in a timely manner and get nice dark early BFPs.

Who all is about to start Clomid, what dose and CD? I will start on CD3, Monday, at 11am I think.

[Quinn31]

Dang so sorry ladies. 2016 has not been kind to us. February is a great month to conceive, very romantic!

Af is due on dh's birthday this Thursday. If she shows, I'll probably wait until the next day to tell him.


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[Magical22]

Dang so sorry ladies. 2016 has not been kind to us. February is a great month to conceive, very romantic!

Af is due on dh's birthday this Thursday. If she shows, I'll probably wait until the next day to tell him.


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A DH that doesn't want sex on his birthday lol I don't believe it [emoji6]


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[Girlieplease]

Sorry for all the Bfn ' s, am going to keep everything crossed for you guys for Feb, am going to wait until March, I want to get on the diet and make other changes to make sure when I do try am making a good attempt. I probably should wait longer but am not getting any younger and all my babies were born in even years so at least am attempting to get another in an even year. Going keep posting because I want to be updated about what is happening with you guys and although I hope some if not all of you will be bump buddies not cycle test buddies but if not I will be happy to have your company when I try again. Question about timing, if it is every four days, does the day you do bd count as day one of the next count of four or is sex then next day is day 1, day 2 day 3 and the sex on day 4? Also do you have start at a particular point in your cycle or can you try and predict o and then work back? Thanks for information x

[ksmom]

Aw I'm sorry so many ladies got AF. :( Good luck to you all this cycle! I'd really love to see some BFPs here soon!

I already asked Atomic this but wanted opinions/thoughts from you ladies. I'm on CD10 and am still having spotting. AF was a normal medium to light flow from CD1-5 then it turned into very light brown spotting CD6-8 (not even worthy of a sanitary pad). Yesterday and today the spotting has turned to pink with some red. Has anyone had this happen? I don't know what is up with my cycle. I don't know if everything is just out of whack from my two chemical pregnancies and weaning DS2 a month and a half ago after nearly 2 years of nursing.

[essnce629]

ksmom-- I nursed DS1 for 2 years as well and the last few months of our nursing relationship I had a lot of random midcycle spotting. It never happened again after that so I always assumed it was the hormonal changes from nursing less and then weaning. I even went to the doctor about it, thinking it was a thyroid problem, and everything was fine.

[XXforhubby]

^^^ same thing happened to me as well. I nursed DS2 until 20mo and the few cycles leading up to one one in which he had weaned, I experienced a bit of mid cycle spotting, lighter periods, and cycles that were becoming more regular.


DS1[emoji125]🏼, DS2[emoji577], & DS3[emoji602] completes our family [emoji170]!

[ksmom]

Thanks ladies! I really don't even know what a normal cycle would be like for me considering I've been either pregnant or breastfeeding (or both!) for the past 4.5 years. My cycles haven't had a chance to regulate themselves since I got pregnant with DS2 when DS1 was still nursing. Atomic is having me start on iron since I'm having the bleeding along with other things like lightheadedness and fatigue.

[twointow83]

((HUGS)) to all those who have gotten BFNs/AF :( FX you get a baby Valentine!

Ok, so who is left in the running this month?? And those who are left, where are you at in your cycle?

I'm CD 14... still waiting for a +OPK.

[pinkin2011]

I am cd14 today. My opk is getting darker but not quite there yet

[Kmomofthree]

I'm cd 11 but I think we are going to attempt tonight. I feel I may have missed my positive opk...... I'm having all symptoms of O so going to go for it and if O isn't confirmed by the 15th well dtd again. Last month I o'd on cd 12 according to ff.

[pinkin2011]

I am doing e4d. We dtd today so hopefully we can dtd cd 18 and I will be at pos opk. if not I will just have to go for it at pos opk whenever it is, whether it be tomorrow or cd 17. really need to up my odds this month

[farmgirl33]

I'm cd19 today & got a +opk on one I got from the pharmacy yesterday, but - on digital opk yesterday. We bd last night anyway. Got + on both digital & the one from pharmacy today. Will bd again tonight & hopefully in the morning & then tomorrow night as well. I have been waiting for o to arrive for what feels like ages, it's not normally this late.




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[essnce629]

I am 6dpo and will test on Fri with a FRER at 11dpo like always. Chances are always slim to zero with DH doing pull out, but the day before O he pulled out and then went back in right after for a few more minutes, so hoping I have a higher chance this cycle! I've had cramping daily and a ton of lower back pain since 4dpo, but I think I'm like that every month LOL!!! Have we had a single BFP this month yet??? What a sad month! I hope those waiting to O will bring in some BFPs at the end of the month at least!

[pinkin2011]

I hope so because I feel like im done ttc after this month.. the whole process has been dragging on since may2014 I want to move on

[purple]

I'm cd27 and I think I am either ovulating today or tomorrow. I would prefer tomorrow as it lines up better with my specialist appointment and taking clomid. I haven't got an OPK+ yet but they are getting darker and also sometimes I miss the surge with the cheap tests.

[pinkin2011]

Purple, Did they find a reason why you ovulate so late?

[purple]

The dr thinks I have PCOS. I am on metformin now to help balance my hormones and it seems to have at least stopped the mid-cycle spotting/bleeding I was getting. It is also a few days earlier than the cd30 average I was ovulating on.

Did you conceive your boys quickly?

[pinkin2011]

Yeah both of them were the first month ds2 was actually only one try on ovulation. All of my blood work and scans say I dont have any issues going on but I ovulate day 30 to 48 even later. Been ttc for a fair while now at least clomid is making me ovulate properly

[purple]

I did ovulate one cycle last year on day 47, it was my 1st cycle trying and the cycle before was only 28 days so I thought my body was going to work properly so it was a big let down! It is so frustrating having long cycles!

[Blue Bear]

I'm 4 dpo - just like you guys it's easy to "find" symptoms. It's been such a sad/disappointing month compared to December for everyone in this forum so hoping we get some sticky beans!!

[ksmom]

January has been such a downer. :( I likely won't be O'ing until at least the end of the month since I'm only on CD11 and it looks like many of us here won't be testing for awhile. Hopefully there's tons of BFPs in the next month or so! :fingers:

[Quinn31]

I'm 9dpo and feel absolutely nothing. I'm feeling negative because I had a breakout at 8dpo. With my last two bfps, it didn't happen until later that I had a breakout and when I get bfns, it happens earlier. It could be a coincidence I guess but it's been a definite pattern.

Af is due on Thursday which is dh's birthday. If I don't start I'll go for betas on Sunday. Luckily I had the trigger shot so I can't test early!

Having positive pregnancy tests for a week and then starting last cycle has messed up my head this month.


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[maidentomother]

Quinn, I hope you're wrong about the breakout.

Ladies about to O, fx!

I agree late O and long cycles are awfully frustrating. The not knowing is the worst part IMO. My O can be so unpredictable.

I'm on CD3, about to take my first Clomid dose! I hope I can handle the symptoms, I'm a little afraid...

[Girlieplease]

Good luck ladies that are currently attempting or in the awful 2 ww! Excited to hear your news and some bfp's would be great.

Questing about timing if one is following the every four days rule, with one attempt in fertile period, can you start at any point? And try and make it coincide with as close to o as possible or do you have to start on a particular day will cd 7? Also if you bd how do you count the days until next bd, so if I had sex on a Tuesday, is it Wednesday is 1, Thursday is 2 Friday is 3 and Saturday is 4 or is having sex in the Tuesday and that is also day one of the next count of four so we'd would be 2, Thursday 3 and then bd on Friday again?

[pinkin2011]

I am doing the e4d... I am cd 15 toay and we had sex yesterday I expect to ovulate day 18. So just say I have sex today count that as 1 then on the 5th day try again. I am going to try at pos opk even if its tomorrow I cant risk another cut off I wnt to get pregnant

[purple]

Maiden I didn't get many symptoms when actually taking the clomid but I did get very tender and sore in the lead up to O. It went for about 5 days with O day the most painful day. I normally get some pain like that each month but clomid intensifies it!

Pinkin an extra attempt at opk+ definitely sounds like a good idea. I really hope this is your month!

My temp is up today but I had the worst sleep so I didn't even manage 3 straight hours of sleep at any point. It means FF is probably not going to help me pinpoint if O was yesterday or today.

[Magical22]

January has been such a downer. :( I likely won't be O'ing until at least the end of the month since I'm only on CD11 and it looks like many of us here won't be testing for awhile. Hopefully there's tons of BFPs in the next month or so! :fingers:

New thread soon yay!!!
Then I can actually contribute more instead of just hanging around, cheering everyone else on.


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