TTC Girl - January 2012

[purple sky]

I want to use it to raise my progesterone level after O and hopefully lengthen my LP to sustain a pregnancy - last month it was only 9 days!

[amari]

That's what I was wondering. Mine was only 10. Do you get it over the counter? Have you ever used it before? My ob just changed my clomid dose and I asked if he was worried that my lp was only 10 days and he said that he thought it may be b/c I didn't O til cd 21 and now I should O earlier since he changed my dose so I don't know if I should mess with it or not?

What do you use and how much? Have you done it before? did it change anything?

[purple sky]

That's what I was wondering. Mine was only 10. Do you get it over the counter? Have you ever used it before? My ob just changed my clomid dose and I asked if he was worried that my lp was only 10 days and he said that he thought it may be b/c I didn't O til cd 21 and now I should O earlier since he changed my dose so I don't know if I should mess with it or not?

What do you use and how much? Have you done it before? did it change anything?
Yes, I've used it years ago. It's been so long i don't remember exactly the affects but I do remember it being helpful. GNC sells it (not sure if your in the U.S or not) you can order it through their website or get it in-store but they seem to almost always be out in my local store. I believe the directions say 1tsp 3x a day
I tend to O late as well, last month was cd23

[purple sky]

Amari - If I were you though, I probably would wait to see how the new dose you Dr. put you on works out for you. If you still have a short LP then I would request an rx for progesterone which is better. GL hopefully your next cycle is better

[pinkin2011]

Katie i used Rephresh this cycyle the day af had gone although i did notice through the day TMI that there was still a bit of pink and brown when i wiped but it didnt bother me about using the Rephresh with it.. The next time i used it ( in 3 Days ) af was was all gone

[purple sky]

Pink -I'm thinking FR up until I get a fertile window on my monitor ( will use opk's too) then DTD and watch my CM, once it turns creamy i think we will dtd again for an o+12 attempt

[pinkin2011]

So are you just going to dtd once when your opk turns + then a o+12? With f/r are you going to have your d/h do that once a day or more? and for how many days??

[rainbowflower]

Bfn for me, even opk shows only a faint 2nd line. Definitely not pregnant this cycle. Temps are still high so luteal phase seems likely to be the longest its ever been thanks to the vitex and vit b6, but just want AF already so we can start again.

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[purple sky]

So are you just going to dtd once when your opk turns + then a o+12? With f/r are you going to have your d/h do that once a day or more? and for how many days??
Yes, we will dtd just once when i get a +opk and then once @ 0+12. DH is doing FR 1x a day for now then the day of our attempt hopefully he can do 3x with the 3rd being our attempt.

[purple sky]

Rainbow - I'm so sorry :( Maybe it's still early though. I've seen people get - up until af is actually due. Will you be testing in the morning again?

Your temps are still high so that's a good sign

[pinkin2011]

3x on day of attempt was my plan too but the way we are going will be lucky to get 2.. poor d/h is spent! if i dont get a bfp this month i dont know what i will do , seriously this has been so hard on both of us i am sick of it actually and its only been first go! I hope we all get that BFP!

[rainbowflower]

Rainbow - I'm so sorry :( Maybe it's still early though. I've seen people get - up until af is actually due. Will you be testing in the morning again?

Your temps are still high so that's a good sign

It is morning already here so those tests were with fmu! I'm 12dpo, and my LP used to be 11 days. If a bfp was on its way I'd have thought the opk would have a stronger 2nd line even if still negative.
Not had any pregnancy signs either... I don't feel hopeful at all really.

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[purple sky]

FX *you still have a chance this cycle Rainbow. Did you try testing with a preg. test too?

Pink - I know what you mean, we are so over this just want to be pregnant so i can finally move on. Dh asked me if i think all this *release is fun for him -Poor guy, I just thank god that I don't have to help all the time LOL

[pinkin2011]

You are sooo lucky!! I have to help every time!!!! I hope its only one more day of this FX will see..

[rainbowflower]

yes, used a Superdrug own brand hpt (10miu, considered as good as FRERs here) so an early-testing one

[PeonyPrincess]

So sorry this is not your month rainbow. It is very disheartening when you want to see a BFP so badly. You have a very positive attitude. Hang in there.

[_Lala_]

Wow you ladies love to chat!! hehe
Auroara - yay!!:cheer: I am so thrilled for you! What a relief it must be to get a BFP.

Sorry this wasnt your month Rainbow...:sad:

When my brother had his little girl, almost a year ago, i lent him my baby capsule that my DS2 used. Well he just dropped it off and now i have this tiny little capsule sitting in my loungeroom - they dont know that we are planning another baby. I'm seeing it as a good omen...I hope so! Just makes me want to use the damn thing!! And whenever i walk past it i can picture a little pink bundle in there - gees i hope i'm not getting my hopes up too high!:worry:

[rainbowflower]

I want to use it to raise my progesterone level after O and hopefully lengthen my LP to sustain a pregnancy - last month it was only 9 days!

my LP was only 9 days last cycle, which was the longest it had been since my cycle returned after giving birth. Previously it was 11 days.

this cycle I reduced BF a bit, started taking vitex and vit B6, and my LP is already 11 days with temps still high so I think I might even get to 12 or 13 days LP

[rainbowflower]

thank you all for your kind words, I don't feel too sad about not getting a BFP, more upset remembering my MC and disappointed to do more time on the diet... BUT there are some plusses to having to TTC another month, main one being that I'll have been on the diet longer than 3 weeks!

when I met my DS I was depressed (my dad had been diagnosed with cancer, uni work was stressing me, and I was still recovering from a bad breakup) so I was my lowest adult weight then. I tried on a fitted ballgown that I wore that summer and I managed to get into it today. I recon a few more lbs loss and I'll be in it even easier.

[rainbowflower]

For those of you who use/used RepHresh -- How long after AF was gone did you start using it? I was taking it every three days up until AF, but I'm not sure when to start it back up.

I use a CBFM so I started using it when my CBFM started giving me "high" reasons
I don't think you need to take it after OV - the conception has already happened then so it won't make any difference what your pH is. Save your money!

[suregena]

Suregena, I think all the stressing over one meal is likely to do more harm than just enjoying one thing that is not part of your girl diet. I'm sure you'll be fine. BTW, I love your comment to your MIL about really being into jacket potatoes!
My family are more likely to notice me not drinking alcohol than what I am eating. Luckily they are on the other side of Australia!

Heeh. I didn't know what else to say! She pushes her own personal girl wishes/hopes on me SO much that I feel like if I do get a girl, she'll favor her over my son. That would be very annoying. But, to be honest, ever since I've become a mother, everything that woman does is pretty annoying... (she's not very maternal at all... she's from a Pre-War era of Britain. She had my husband when she was nearly 40 and done having kids and his dad was nearly 50. He had a lonely childhood. She's not very emotive/affectionate...)

I don't drink... my mom drank a LOT of black coffee with me. I'm a coffee drinker. So that has been my morning routine. I've just been having the one (two, only sometimes) in the morning rather than constantly throughout the day, though. For several years (being vegetarian already), I cut out soy when and where I could and usually avoided it at all costs (when I was single and living with my best friend who was vegan at the time, I was eating it a lot as she was cooking meals often, and it made me break out baaaad.)
So, drinking lowfat soy in my coffee (instead of whole milk/cream) and no milk anymore, period, I think is doing something crazy different for me.

I don't know why I got on a coffee ramble. :D


I asked my husband this morning (as I don't have a scale... want to get one, but don't know if I should or not as I might get obsessive!) if I looked like I've lost weight. He said, "Uhhh... yeah, definitely. Geez!"

Okay, that's good!


Obviously with daily exercise (I don't own a car so am on-the-move by foot/public transport every day) and still breastfeeding, that probably works to my advantage...

[suregena]

Suregena you should just enjoy your lunch with your husband, i'm sure one cheat day is ok especially if you work your other meals for the day around that so you don't go too much over.

Auroara I knew you would test again today!! I would have too if I was in your shoes :poas: YAY!


Ha, I'll still try to behave, I think! But thanks, all. :)

My son's 2nd birthday is on the 22nd (which will be just after ovulation/fertile window....) and I'm baking buttermilk vanilla cupcakes, CINNAMON ROLLS in little cupcake wrappers, etcetera. How am I going to survive this month? I had to sway this period of time for timing reasons as we're going to spend Christmas back home in the US next year and I need to try to balance it for either before (so I can fly with a baby) or make it so I am under the maximum allowance for how pregnant you can be to fly. Sigh.

[amari]

rainbow-sorry about the bfn, when is af due?

pinkin-it is exhausting! dh has a hard time with fr here too, too muh pressure I think!

purple-thanks for the info and advice. I think I will try that. Have you asked for an Rx from your dr.? Of course, hopefully you get your bfp this month!

katie-you can start the rephresh as soon as af stops!

I am also trying to decide how many attempts to do. With clomid it is hard b/c AS recommends not using rephresh b/c the clomid already makes your cm hostile, but then there is nothing to bring the ph down if you do multiple attempts. But she also recommends getting preggo quickly. Not sure how many times to try once I get a +opk. How much thought we put into this!

[Mochagirl]

Bfn for me, even opk shows only a faint 2nd line. Definitely not pregnant this cycle. Temps are still high so luteal phase seems likely to be the longest its ever been thanks to the vitex and vit b6, but just want AF already so we can start again.

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Oh rainbow, I'm sooooo sorry. I was really hoping this would be your month. I hope af comes swiftly for you and I'm sending you some baby dust for your next attempt :HH:

[littlemissnaughty7]

hey amari il be on clomid for my attempt too, like i was with both my boys, once we dtd every other day and my other son was every day, so were going for one maybe two attempts with this one one maybe a 0+12 were still undecided yet but i gotta give it my best shot this time as its last baby !

[rainbowflower]

thank you Mocha + Amari

not sure when AF is due. Based on last cycle, it would have been due at 10dpo, based on my cycles before conceiving DS it would have been due at 12dpo (today), but I'm taking vitex and vitB6 so perhaps that has extended my LP and if so I have no idea when AF is due.

[xokatietatie]

Trying to get caught up... 20 some new posts since I went to bed last night.

Rainbow, I'm so sorry!! Maybe this next cycle will be the one!

Thanks everyone else for answering my question.

AF is basically gone, just spotting a little -- so I'm going to start using the RepHresh again tomorrow... as well as OPKs!! I'm going to be testing once a day (2:00 p.m.) and then bump it up to twice a day (2:00 p.m. and maybe 7:00 or 8:00 p.m. as well) after a couple days. I'm getting SO EXCITED!!!

[pinkin2011]

Katie I am joining you I am EXCITED TOO xxoo!!!!!

[xokatietatie]

What day did AF come for you, pink?

[pinkin2011]

The 25th of dec and that month i oed the 9th of dec... so usually i have a 31 or 32 day cycle but i seem to o earlier usually around 15 or 16 days from the start of af.. I think it could happen on the 10th of jan, just by the way i am now i am not quite ready

[pinkin2011]

Has your d/h started abstaining??? My poor d/h is struggling with everyday releasing now.. Its been every day since the 21st of dec with a few days twice a day and 3 times a day he is so over it and so am i , poor us its really horrible i so pray for that bfp

[auroara78]

rainbow, sorry to hear about BFN :( I hope this is your month, along with Jen, to get knocked up! October is such a lovely month to have a brand new baby!

[auroara78]

I posted my FRER picture in the member section under my BFP post, since I wanted non girl swayers to see my good news too!!!

[xokatietatie]

DH has been abstaining for a week or so already, and it's a struggle but he's been successful so far. I actually didn't want him to start until AF was here, but he ended up starting his abstain on his own in December.

[KraizyDaizy]

Congrats Auroura! So sorry rainbow:bighug:.

Well I am CD13 and no +OPK yet, but my CBE monitor has been saying HIGH for days now. I hope I get a BFP this month as I really do not want to do Clomid unless I have too. Also the Chinese Gender Predictor says girl based on my Lunar age of 38 for January, so I am hopeful this is our month. Do you guys believe in that stuff? I am thinking of DTD multiple times from +OPK through O. Is that a bad idea? I have used RepHresh on CD 5, CD8 vinegar & water douche, CD 10 RepHresh and not sure if I should keep using the RepHresh or not. I Oed last two cycles on CD19 and CD21 according to FF, so I have about a week to wait for O, but I have introduced Saw Palmetto this cycle, so maybe I will O sooner. I guess I will start using more OPKs now to see if I can catch the O, but not really seeing a second line yet? DH has been FR and he has started taking the licorice this cycle, so not sure how long that takes to affect his swimmers. We plan to take hot showers, Benedryl, warm up his guys before DTD and maybe use SYLK? What should I use with all the RepHresh so far? Should I stop it, should I use the SYLK? Just worried I will get BFN this month and next month I am predicted boy grrrrh!!! Any ideas would be great and helpful!!! My PH seems low. I got my Phion sticks and even my urine seems low, maybe in the 5-6, and my CM seems in the 4-5s. Maybe I have low ionic strength? I have a digital, but I cannot find it after our move grrrrrh! any way to see if I do have LIS without the digital? Okay now I am rambling and stressing so I will close for now.

[purple sky]

Rainbow - You have such a positive attitude :) I think the plus side is that it seems more girls are born Nov. and Dec. So maybe this is a good sign for you!

Katie and Pink - Hopefully you both O really soon so that you can take a break from ttc *FX for BFP

Daizy - I'm not exactly sure about the LIS but, i don't think you would see any color change on the ph strip if you had that. I am using rephresh every third day and a fingertip of sylk each day. I want my body to get used to the sylk so my PH doesn't go up when we use it on "the day" since i've never used it before this cycle. I also wouldn't dtd on O day but that's just me, I think i dtd through O with ds2 and ds3

[KraizyDaizy]

Daizy - I'm not exactly sure about the LIS but, i don't think you would see any color change on the ph strip if you had that. I am using rephresh every third day and a fingertip of sylk each day. I want my body to get used to the sylk so my PH doesn't go up when we use it on "the day" since i've never used it before this cycle. I also wouldn't dtd on O day but that's just me, I think i dtd through O with ds2 and ds3

You must have ESP, because I was just thinking, how am I going to know if my PH goes up with the SYLK if I don't try it out first, and was wondering about using a little SYLK with the RepHresh then you posted about using the SYLK each day along with it LOL!!! If you wouldn't DTD on O day, which days would you do it? How long have you been TTC?

[purple sky]

I am going to dtd twice only. When I get +opk and then after O is confirmed on my monitor- as soon as cm turns creamy. So I will hopefully have a 2-3 day cut-off and then hit O+12. This is going to sound scary but we have been ttc for over 4 years. However, we didn't try every month and did take breaks in between time. I also didn't realize I had a LP defect. So with everything I know know I will be ttc in full swing. I am taking vitex and b-6 so we'll see how my lp is this cycle

[prayforprincess]

If you are using rephresh every 3 days and bd with sylk I would not stress over your ph (stress=boys). The rephresh will do its job and make sure your cm stays around 4.5

[KraizyDaizy]

If you are using rephresh every 3 days and bd with sylk I would not stress over your ph (stress=boys). The rephresh will do its job and make sure your cm stays around 4.5

Should I even use the SYLK? If RepHresh is doing it's job, do I need it?

[sweetsister]

It is morning already here so those tests were with fmu! I'm 12dpo, and my LP used to be 11 days. If a bfp was on its way I'd have thought the opk would have a stronger 2nd line even if still negative.
Not had any pregnancy signs either... I don't feel hopeful at all really.

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Sorry about the BFN Rainbow:(
Your not out yet though hun, i just ate a whole box of aftereight chocolates to make my BFN and me feel better :):hug2:

[KraizyDaizy]

I am going to dtd twice only. When I get +opk and then after O is confirmed on my monitor- as soon as cm turns creamy. So I will hopefully have a 2-3 day cut-off and then hit O+12. This is going to sound scary but we have been ttc for over 4 years. However, we didn't try every month and did take breaks in between time. I also didn't realize I had a LP defect. So with everything I know know I will be ttc in full swing. I am taking vitex and b-6 so we'll see how my lp is this cycle

Last month I had a very short LP of 8 days so maybe I have a LP defect? How do you know for sure?

[zanacal]

Kraizy Daizy - I don't believe in any of the lunar calendar stuff (or anything else which doesn't make sense to me like moons and ions!).

I agree with prayforprincess that you can use the Rephresh every 3 days and Sylk with your attempts and not worry about your pH. It might be a good idea to use a tiny bit of Sylk occasionally leading up to your attempt to get your body used to it - I like that idea.

How easily did you get pregnant with your boys? Because I got pregnant on first attempt twice and on 3rd attempt the other time I wanted to try DTD only once for a couple of months before we added in more attempts. The more times you DTD the higher your chance of pregnancy but it may not be as good a sway - it's an individual thing really, many wouldn't even get pregnant with one attempt so it's about getting the balancing act right between low sperm numbers and still getting a BFP.

I think lots of girl swayers have it ingrained in them that DTD on O is for a boy but I don't believe that to be the case at all (as you know I DTD once on O day to conceive our girl). I think it's down to the individual again - I have loads of EWCM 4 days before O up to a couple of days before O so I wouldn't DTD for a girl on those days (as you would if you were doing a cut-off). By O day I have very little EWCM so I was happy that that might be a better time for me to conceive a girl.

[prayforprincess]

Should I even use the SYLK? If RepHresh is doing it's job, do I need it?
Its added security and another barrier...I guess it depends how many road blocks you want to put in your way.
Personally, I am doing rephresh every 3 days, 1/2 app. rephresh 12 hours before attempt (if it has been 2 days since last app, otherwise if I used it the day of or day before attempt then skip this), finger tip replens 1 hour before dtd and dtd w/ sylk.
Jump and dump after 5 minutes. I am not taking my ph or putting anything up there after my attempt. Just going to bed. I figure..what's the point? The rephresh is working to keep my ph low and after 5-15 minutes all the sperm that are going to swim out of my vj already have and nothing I can do will reach them up there now. Just hope taking the zytec does its job.

[sweetsister]

Me Me Me - I think I will O around the 23rd Jan (DS1's 4th birthday!)

Good to see you again maybeoneday! I hope you get lucky this month :):cheerteam:

[HopeandDreamG]

Rainbow flower~ sorry for the BFN..just came over here to see.

Amari~ Great pic. So nice to see you! I want to put one up but I'm so private I get paranoid someone I know would recognize me! But I guess they would be here too, so what's the difference!!! LOL

[maybeoneday]

Good to see you again maybeoneday! I hope you get lucky this month :):cheerteam:

Sorry about the BFN but don't beat yourself up about the aftereights (they are really good for all those who don't know what they are.

You are not out yet but maybe we were just destined to get our BFP's together next month! xx

[suregena]

So, tomorrow I think I'm going to go with the 3 item platter thing and get hummus, artichoke hearts, and tabbouleh with it. I'll probably eat the pita. Might eat the chips, too. *shrug* We'll see! But I worked it out that shouldn't hit me TOO hard (except in the sodium department and the hummus will be the most fattening/protein filled item and the pita breads but I know they'll only give 1 pita bread's worth with it, like 4 triangle pieces at the most) and then for dinner, I can have a tiny portion of rice, a weight watchers cake, some meerkat jelly things, and a Dr Pepper zero and probably be okay in my numbers. Obviously I'm not sure how much will be given with the platter, but last I got it I think it was sensible portions since you get three. And they may or may not dress the salad with a balsamic or some sort of vinaigrette.

It'll be okay, I think. Maybe. Oh well, can't escape it. But shouldn't sting too bad. :)

[Mochagirl]

I think it's fine, suregena. Sodium's the least important sway factor anyway, and as far as cheats go, yours won't be bad at all. It would be far worse to have a big steak or something! Besides, one day won't hurt anything. Enjoy your meal!

[HopeandDreamG]

Kraisy- don't know if someone already responded to this bc I can't read through the whole thread right now. You posted on here that you were going to use a douche and rephresh. This doesnt make much sense bc rephresh is designed to keep your ph at 4.5 for 3 days perfect for a girl sway. A vinegar douche is much lower ph then this so the rephresh will work to increase your ph back to 4.5 and the douche just hurts chances of a bfp. Hope this makes sense.

[amari]

While we're on the topic of dtd and rephresh, since I can't use rephresh since I'm on clomid, how many times do you think we should dtd after my +opk? I want to get preggo b/c without that you can't have a dd, but don't want to up my ph too much and hurt my sway. Any thoughts?

[HopeandDreamG]

Amari~ with multiple attempts I was more concerned with more sperm inside me. To counter that I am going to dtd as a second release of the day. I think that may be more important then the PH anyway, since noone knows how much that sways if at all. Also, you can get DH to the point of no return then DTD. You can use rephresh with clomid- I'm going to but further away from O.

My attempt for Feb will be 3 attempts. Day before trigger injection, day of, and day after. Will use rephresh day before injection (O happens 24-36 hrs later), each attempt will be 2nd release of day.

[amari]

Amari~ with multiple attempts I was more concerned with more sperm inside me. To counter that I am going to dtd as a second release of the day. I think that may be more important then the PH anyway, since noone knows how much that sways if at all. Also, you can get DH to the point of no return then DTD. You can use rephresh with clomid- I'm going to but further away from O.

My attempt for Feb will be 3 attempts. Day before trigger injection, day of, and day after. Will use rephresh day before injection (O happens 24-36 hrs later), each attempt will be 2nd release of day.

Thanks! Maybe I will have him release once before we dtd. Why is it good to get him to the point of no return before dtd? I don't have a trigger injection, what does that do? I am just worried about the rephresh killing off everything! Too many decisions!

[purple sky]

I am just worried about the rephresh killing off everything! Too many decisions!
Ya this is what i'm worried about too, I'm only going to do this for a few months then leave it out if i don't get pregnant. I know you have a shorter time to play with since using clomid. Maybe you could time it so that you use rephresh 3 days before O. Sylk is a lube so it may help with conceiving, or does it also contain a spermicide? i didn't check the label..

[lemon2012]

Hi everyone,
These posts are sooo fast and hard to keep up with!

Kraizy Daizy,...don't overdo it with the rephresh and douching. You might try one more month with a little rephresh but as we get older it is harder for the egg...I think!

Amari,...you are beautiful! Nice pic!
I think the point of no return is to make sure you do not raise your ph and testosterone.
If you are on clomid I think you want to make sure you make this month worth it. I would try to dtd the 3 days up to o. When I took clomid my doc told me to dtd every other day...cd 14, 16, 18 and 20. You do ovulate later on clomid....cd 16 or 17 and then the next month it was 18 or 19.
Good luck!

Surgena...I had friends over tonight and we had pasta, bread and wine! Of course, we will probably have a boy but I think you can relax and know that one meal is not the end of your sway. You do show dedication but be sure to relax...as many have told me. Let us know how you do!!!

Hope...I cannot wait for Feb for you!

I have several days before attempts.
Good luck katie, pink etc!

[pinkin2011]

Thanks Lemon , I am still waiting to o my opks are still not + just waiting and waiting and waiting... just worked out that today is 19 days straight for d/h with F/R with few double shots and tripple in there too.. Poor bugger I feel for him!!! Please everyone Pray for me!!!!!

[XXdreaming]

hey ladies! I am back again, I was hoping I wouldnt have to be lol not that I dont like this site, actually love it just hoping I wouldnt need it for swaying anymore, I am swaying and waiting, for those that dont know I had an u/s last week at 10wks and found the baby had passed at about 8wks so I went with a d&c(jan 5th) I figured I would start my sway but not actually attempt til about april, I had horrible m/s and need a break before I jump right back in to the horrible m/s(since my normal pregnancies I puke from 5/6wks to 18/20wks and thats while taking zofran) it was my 1st d&c so hoping some test will tell me what happen this time, I think I will do my same attempt like last time but minus the cranberry from af to O, just prenatals, folic acid(was 1600mcg but might increase this) vitex af to O, b6(50mg) the le diet, rephresh, frequent release and bd through(I conceived my boys with cutoffs), I might add more but staying away from blood thinners since I tend to get subchorionic hemorrhaging when pregnant,

[PeonyPrincess]

Hey XXdreaming. Wow, you have been through a lot. I'm glad you have 4 healthy boys to cuddle when things are tough. I hope they find what happened with your last pregnancy. It is so hard not having control over what your body is doing.

[PeonyPrincess]

KraizyDaizy, I TTC for a few months last year using douches. Always got BFNs and they gave me horrible abdominal cramps, so I won't be going down that path again. I'm keeping everything simple these days.
Sorry to hear it was not a BFP for you sweetsister.

[HopeandDreamG]

Thanks! Maybe I will have him release once before we dtd. Why is it good to get him to the point of no return before dtd? I don't have a trigger injection, what does that do? I am just worried about the rephresh killing off everything! Too many decisions!

It is what lemon said. To keep your ph and testosterone low. A trigger injection makes sure your egg releases. Maybe consider doing rephresh longer before O or don't use Or use 1/2 applicator. I conceived a girl (my loss) without trying. All I was doing was losing weight!!

Oh and don't do every other day that's sways boy. Think u know that though !

[HopeandDreamG]

Lemon- the vitex is 800-1200 mg AF- O. Make sure you are not preggo!

[purple sky]

Why are some of you only using vitex AF-O? and not continuously? Wondering if I should stop taking once O is confirmed during 2ww or not. I have irregular cycles

[HopeandDreamG]

Why are some of you only using vitex AF-O? and not continuously? Wondering if I should stop taking once O is confirmed during 2ww or not. I have irregular cycles

Because it's dangerous to take if you are pregnant. You can lose the pregnancy.

[purple sky]

Aah I see. Will it still regulate my cycle if i only take it AF - O? or is this just for those who are using it as an addition to sway?

[rainbowflower]

AF is here! I'd already got my head around not falling this cycle so not upset, just happy that my luteal phase was the longest its ever been at 12 days!

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[rainbowflower]

Aah I see. Will it still regulate my cycle if i only take it AF - O? or is this just for those who are using it as an addition to sway?

Definitely helped me. I took it from AF to ov, and ov moved forwards from cd26-30 to cd19

Hoping this cycle it'll come forwards by another couple of days

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[PeonyPrincess]

The main problem with vitex and pregnancy is that women suddenly stop taking it which causes a big drop in progesterone, and can lead to a miscarriage. If you are on it and find out you are pg, you need to wean off it slowly.

[PeonyPrincess]

A luteal phase of 12 days is great Rainbow! I think mine have been anywhere from 11-16 days.
Pinkin, really hope that OPK turns +ve for you soon. My DH thinks yours has got it all sorted getting you to help every time!! Mine doesn't get it that lucky. However, after 2 1/2 weeks of F/R I am not surprised you are both well and truly over it.

[rainbowflower]

we couldn't manage long-term FR either as DH wouldn't cope with that (with or without help), but that study on 8hourly frequent release showed that if, instead of long-term of once every 24hrs, you do it more often within the space of 24hrs that has a very good lowering effect too.. so we've been doing compressed FR for our sway. Personally I think it must sway stronger than the traditional FR because it lowers semen quantity, sperm concentration, and sperm count more drastically. And the fact that it is less stressful for DH is a bonus!

[zanacal]

I just happen to have recently posted a link to that study so I'm going to paste it here!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/sperm-qualities/5213-study-about-frequent-release-lowering-sperm-count.html

Re Vitex - AF to O is thought to possibly work better by working in tune with your cycle, it can also act as birth control if used on a long term basis. Some people have had success with conceiving a girl using it continuously leading up to their sway then switching to AF-O once they start attempting and this is what we did. I don't think Vitex during pregnancy is the end of the world but I agree that it should be weaned from slowly. My sister was on Vitex when she got pregnant and had no idea she was pregnant - all ok.

Sorry AF arrived Rainbow but I'm pleased you had a decent LP this month. {hugs}

[rainbowflower]

Zana, I'm 0 weeks and 1 day pregnant didn't you know? ;) going to catch that egg this cycle!

[zanacal]

You sure are!!

[maybeoneday]

AF is here! I'd already got my head around not falling this cycle so not upset, just happy that my luteal phase was the longest its ever been at 12 days!

Love that your LP has got to 12 days. That is about my longest as well (although this month I think it will be shorter, can feel AF coming and wasn't as good at remembering the Vitex this month as wasn't TTC.

FX for us both this month, I think it will be a good month.

PS - I am 0 weeks and - 1 or 2 days pregnant! xx

[rainbowflower]

Love that your LP has got to 12 days. That is about my longest as well (although this month I think it will be shorter, can feel AF coming and wasn't as good at remembering the Vitex this month as wasn't TTC.

FX for us both this month, I think it will be a good month.

PS - I am 0 weeks and - 1 or 2 days pregnant! xx

:( what DPO are you on now? what day do you OV on?
would be nice to have a pink due-date buddy! lol

[amari]

Amari~ with multiple attempts I was more concerned with more sperm inside me. To counter that I am going to dtd as a second release of the day. I think that may be more important then the PH anyway, since noone knows how much that sways if at all. Also, you can get DH to the point of no return then DTD. You can use rephresh with clomid- I'm going to but further away from O.

My attempt for Feb will be 3 attempts. Day before trigger injection, day of, and day after. Will use rephresh day before injection (O happens 24-36 hrs later), each attempt will be 2nd release of day.

Thanks! When is your attempt going to be?

[amari]

Amari,...you are beautiful! Nice pic!
I think the point of no return is to make sure you do not raise your ph and testosterone.
If you are on clomid I think you want to make sure you make this month worth it. I would try to dtd the 3 days up to o. When I took clomid my doc told me to dtd every other day...cd 14, 16, 18 and 20. You do ovulate later on clomid....cd 16 or 17 and then the next month it was 18 or 19.
Good luck!

Thanks, Lemon! Yes, last month I o'd on the 21st. We changed my dose to see if I would o earlier. I think I will do 3 atttempts but wait til I get a +opk.

[amari]

AF is here! I'd already got my head around not falling this cycle so not upset, just happy that my luteal phase was the longest its ever been at 12 days!

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Great news!!!

[amari]

Thanks for posting the study about fr. The only think is that it is a tiny study! Only 7 people. I think we will still go ahead with fr as not many options. Thank you!

[suregena]

we couldn't manage long-term FR either as DH wouldn't cope with that (with or without help), but that study on 8hourly frequent release showed that if, instead of long-term of once every 24hrs, you do it more often within the space of 24hrs that has a very good lowering effect too.. so we've been doing compressed FR for our sway. Personally I think it must sway stronger than the traditional FR because it lowers semen quantity, sperm concentration, and sperm count more drastically. And the fact that it is less stressful for DH is a bonus!


Hmmm! Crunch time, decisions, decisions. I better make up my mind QUICK.

[rainbowflower]

Thanks for posting the study about fr. The only think is that it is a tiny study! Only 7 people. I think we will still go ahead with fr as not many options. Thank you!
I think human physiology is similar enough that the trends will apply to all men - there are only so many sperm that can be produced at any one time and it takes time to restore supplies so if you quickly clear out most of the ready-to-go ones in the first couple of releases in short succession there are only so many that are able to make it into the next release

[Mochagirl]

Zana, I'm 0 weeks and 1 day pregnant didn't you know? ;) going to catch that egg this cycle!

I LOVE that attitude, rainbow!! I'm sure this cycle will be it for you! :HH:

[HopeandDreamG]

Purple sky- you can read this
http://genderdreaming.com/forum/gender-swaying-discussion/2572-most-dangerous-things-swaying.html

[HopeandDreamG]

Z- thanks for posting the study here. We r in the frequent camp and compressed frequent towards insemination time! Need to step it up from how we conceived boys. Ladies it's helpful to get full disclosure from dh about how much he's helped himself!

Rainbowflower- I like the way you are looking at it. And your count WILL be accurate!!! Positive vibes being sent your way.....

Amari- my attempt will be week if February 20th or there about it will only change if AF changes or I get ill again. Praying that doesn't happen. If you missed it I have crohns. It's an intestinal disease and I have been in a flare. It means my intestines are inflamed I had major pain, fever, exhaustion. Like so much pain i needed dh to help me sit up from a lying down position. It Started early December. On the mend now needing to get weaned off steroids. This is why I'm skipping January too - to be 100% healthy and meds out of my system. Maybe being so ill will help sway girl.... It's one and only benefit!

[prayforprincess]

Question and would appreciate your thoughts. I had a good luteal phase this month of 14 days -- always do. I got my af of Thursday and it started off a brownish color...not normal for me. Late thursday to late friday it was a regular flow and then starting late friday to late saturday it was turining brownish like the end of your flow and today its nearly gone. That is sooooo not normal for me. Usually I have a really heavy flow for the 1st 2-3 days and then it is a lighter/regular flow for another 3-4 days. It usually lasts about 5-7 days. This time it barely last for 3 full days and was only "normal" for 24 hours of that. What is going on??
I am worried that my lining might have been thin -- never been a problem before. I also have been on the LE diet really strictly for 1.5 weeks and already lost 7 lbs. (I am not overwight at all, I would consider myself normal..5'7" and a size 6). Could it be the fast weight lose especially during af time that caused this? The lack of nutrition (I am pretty much only eating white rice, green beans and cauliflower with some low sodium cheese here and there). I read that light period could mean hormonal changes but that is when going into pre-menapause and I am only 29. Or it can mean stress but I am no more stressed now than I am normally. It also said lack of nutrition....
I am worried. Maybe its nothing but after all these IVF cycle I had a fear they would do something negative. Doc's told me no way and I am sure it is not that is not it as I had a normal to heavy period last month (my 1st period after my 3rd failed cycle).
Sorry I am rambling...thoughts anyone???

[atomic sagebrush]

Aah I see. Will it still regulate my cycle if i only take it AF - O? or is this just for those who are using it as an addition to sway?

Yes, and it may even work BETTER because it mimicks your body's natural cycle - 2 W on, 2 W off.

[atomic sagebrush]

The main problem with vitex and pregnancy is that women suddenly stop taking it which causes a big drop in progesterone, and can lead to a miscarriage. If you are on it and find out you are pg, you need to wean off it slowly.

My concern is more that it is also a huge unknown for safety.

That having been said, I thought I had AF and resumed my vitex, took it for two weeks when I was already pg and my baby is fine, but I really had a lot of worry and heartbreak over that.

[atomic sagebrush]

I think human physiology is similar enough that the trends will apply to all men - there are only so many sperm that can be produced at any one time and it takes time to restore supplies so if you quickly clear out most of the ready-to-go ones in the first couple of releases in short succession there are only so many that are able to make it into the next release

Haha, I was going to write almost this exact thing but you did it so well I'll just quote ya.

This type of study isn't the sort of thing where luck or confounding factors or self-reporting errors can mess with the results. Unlike with timing studies where luck plays a huge role, as do other things that are swaying and also in a lot of the studies, they go off of what people are telling them which may or may not be true. In this study, they're simply getting the samples from guys over a few days and counting them up - no luck involved, very little confounding factors ( I mean I suppose that all the guys could have drastically altered their diets halfway thru the study but I kinda doubt it) and then the researchers are counting them up - much more reliable than a lot of the studies we have!!

[atomic sagebrush]

Question and would appreciate your thoughts. I had a good luteal phase this month of 14 days -- always do. I got my af of Thursday and it started off a brownish color...not normal for me. Late thursday to late friday it was a regular flow and then starting late friday to late saturday it was turining brownish like the end of your flow and today its nearly gone. That is sooooo not normal for me. Usually I have a really heavy flow for the 1st 2-3 days and then it is a lighter/regular flow for another 3-4 days. It usually lasts about 5-7 days. This time it barely last for 3 full days and was only "normal" for 24 hours of that. What is going on??
I am worried that my lining might have been thin -- never been a problem before. I also have been on the LE diet really strictly for 1.5 weeks and already lost 7 lbs. (I am not overwight at all, I would consider myself normal..5'7" and a size 6). Could it be the fast weight lose especially during af time that caused this? The lack of nutrition (I am pretty much only eating white rice, green beans and cauliflower with some low sodium cheese here and there). I read that light period could mean hormonal changes but that is when going into pre-menapause and I am only 29. Or it can mean stress but I am no more stressed now than I am normally. It also said lack of nutrition....
I am worried. Maybe its nothing but after all these IVF cycle I had a fear they would do something negative. Doc's told me no way and I am sure it is not that is not it as I had a normal to heavy period last month (my 1st period after my 3rd failed cycle).
Sorry I am rambling...thoughts anyone???

ARe you taking vitex? Vitex makes my periods like that.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that after 1.5 weeks on diet, you have done ANYTHING to your uterine lining. Even losing 7 pounds (which is not an extreme weight loss for the first two weeks on a diet. And if your period WAS getting lighter because of weight loss, you would also probably NOT be ovulating.

When I lost AF due to extreme weight loss, I had been strictly dieting (much worse diet than the LE Diet BTW) for several months, had gone from 155 lbs to 120, and wanted to get to 115. My ovulation was not affected until I pushed for that last 5 lbs and started exercising 90 min-2 hours a day. I did stop ovulating then and my period was very very light for three months but even though I didn't gain any weight back, my O and period came back perfectly normal after that three months and everything resumed. I have conceived 3 times since then (inc. one set of twins) and I just want to reassure you that even if it is diet, you do not need to worry that it will in any way affect your long term fertility in any way.

Q about your diet - are you getting the 1500-1800 cals, 40-50 g fat, 25-60 g of fat that is recommended? Low everything does not mean NO everything (esp nutrients! you can have some other foods, there are no magic foods!). You cannot be getting enough potassium (you NEED 2500-3500 mg potassium every day) eating only those things. Check out the "quick fixes for diet disasters" thread in the DM section for some ideas. Just by adding a banana a day, you'll up your cals and give yourself some potassium that you desperately need right now.

[GeCon]

I just happen to have recently posted a link to that study so I'm going to paste it here!

[url]http://genderdreaming.com/forum/sperm-qualities/5213-study-about-frequent-release-lowering-sperm.

Can I just clarify the results of the study and the effect on swaying pink? How many days of the 8 hourly release is recommended? Is one day (3 releases) enough before the actual attempt? Also, does that mean that several attempts with 8 hour gaps could/should be made?

[zanacal]

I don't think sperm count lowered much more after 3 releases did it? That's why we decided our attempt would be the third time in 24 hours. Here's the discussion that that study came out of!

http://genderdreaming.com/forum/ttc-girl-best-practices/5007-lowering-sperm-count-without-daily-bding-abstaining.html

[HopeandDreamG]

Lemon~
Here is the vitex I use. The brand is solaray. It is guaranteed potency. 225mg chaste berry extract and 100 mg vitex. So 325mg total I take 3 a day for 975mg a day. I discussed this with Atomic before starting....

http://www.amazon.com/Solaray-Vitex-Chaste-Extract-capsules/dp/B0001VVGLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326036746&sr=8-1

[suregena]

They changed the menu up a bit, so there were SLIGHTLY friendly choices! In the end, I was able to get cous cous instead of hummus, which I think will help with my totals today! And they were all in sensible portions, not huge amounts. I DID eat all the pita bread and less than half of the tortilla chips, though... and I gave my husband the other half of the tortilla chips and gave him about a little over 1/3rd of the artichoke hearts because of the olive oil. But, otherwise, think I did okay! The cous cous was made there so it was not full of salt or oils. It tasted pretty plain... just had some sundried tomatoes in it (which were pretty dry.)

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That looks okay, for eating out, yeah? Ha. I'm only going to eat if I get hungry tonight and going to keep it really light/basic (due to the olive oil in the artichoke hearts which I'm sure was fattening.) And the dressing was like a balsamic vinaigrette. And there was probably less than a tablespoon on the salad, if that...

Officially going to start FR tonight. I'm worried my cycle could be shorter (or heck, longer...) but I don't want to mess up if it is shorter. My period has been a LOT lighter than it normally is, so that's why I feel it's necessary to start FR tonight. My husband seems very serious about his job and said he'll add extras in if he can on his own, which I was surprised to hear because he never even has the energy for that! I think he's suddenly into doing this sway!

We all three have colds right now. I feel terribly run down today.

[Mochagirl]

That looks really yummy, suregena! Good choices!

[littlemissnaughty7]

hey zan didnt realise you only did one attempt on O day, thats what were planning but with abstinance, of about 10-14 days, do you roughly know when you ovulated to when your attempt was, was it a 0+12 ?

[littlemissnaughty7]

does anyone else use ph strips, you know the ones you get off ebay for like 99c, how do you use them, TMI i know but i got a bit of cm put it on the strip and it didnt really change colour at all ?

[Mochagirl]

My strips never change colour either. Back when I was on IG many years ago, Tamara told me that means I have 'low ionic strength' and can't use ph strips. Apparently with a PH monitor you can still get readings, but I never bothered investing in one, and stopped worrying too much about ph this time swaying, anyway. I just hoped that with the diet, Baby Aspirin and rephresh, my ph was low enough....

[purple sky]

Yes, and it may even work BETTER because it mimicks your body's natural cycle - 2 W on, 2 W off.
Thanks atomic

[pinkin2011]

Just wanting to ask a Q on F/R.. My d/h has been F/R since the 21st of dec. It was going to be once a day but i think there has been 5 times he released twice in a day and once was 3 times in a day. There is NO WAY i can get him to release more then once a day now he just has nothing left to give ( usually he does not ever help himself and we would usually dtd every 3 days) Anyway I can get him to release still once a day but its so hard for him to do and does not happen on the first try of releasing, what does this mean are his T levels pretty low now??? I am worried to have my attempt because i had big plans of having him release once or twice on attempt day then use the next batch for dtd. What should I do???

[zanacal]

Just wanting to ask a Q on F/R.. My d/h has been F/R since the 21st of dec. It was going to be once a day but i think there has been 5 times he released twice in a day and once was 3 times in a day. There is NO WAY i can get him to release more then once a day now he just has nothing left to give ( usually he does not ever help himself and we would usually dtd every 3 days) Anyway I can get him to release still once a day but its so hard for him to do and does not happen on the first try of releasing, what does this mean are his T levels pretty low now??? I am worried to have my attempt because i had big plans of having him release once or twice on attempt day then use the next batch for dtd. What should I do???

Wow, you started early! Do you think you'll O soon? I think you just need to keep going at once at day and not worry about using the second batch etc when it's time to DTD.

[pinkin2011]

Yeah we did start early ( too early i think ) i think what you just said is my only option because i dont want to sit this month out now esp with all the effort we have both put in!

[pinkin2011]

I was meant to O today but i am not going to be, I hope its tomorrow !

[zanacal]

hey zan didnt realise you only did one attempt on O day, thats what were planning but with abstinance, of about 10-14 days, do you roughly know when you ovulated to when your attempt was, was it a 0+12 ?

I don't know in all honesty! I usually ovulated the evening after the day I got my first +OPK (with 2 days of +OPKs) and I had planned to have my attempt a few hours before O (my timing was for pregnancy and not for swaying as I don't believe timing around O matters at all but I was doing a lot of other stuff which would make it harder to conceive). Obviously my body would decide to do something different the month of our attempt! We DTD at 6am and at 1pm my OPK was negative so I either ovulated during the night just before our attempt, right on top of our attempt, or some time during the day after our attempt!

[prayforprincess]

ARe you taking vitex? Vitex makes my periods like that.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that after 1.5 weeks on diet, you have done ANYTHING to your uterine lining. Even losing 7 pounds (which is not an extreme weight loss for the first two weeks on a diet. And if your period WAS getting lighter because of weight loss, you would also probably NOT be ovulating.

When I lost AF due to extreme weight loss, I had been strictly dieting (much worse diet than the LE Diet BTW) for several months, had gone from 155 lbs to 120, and wanted to get to 115. My ovulation was not affected until I pushed for that last 5 lbs and started exercising 90 min-2 hours a day. I did stop ovulating then and my period was very very light for three months but even though I didn't gain any weight back, my O and period came back perfectly normal after that three months and everything resumed. I have conceived 3 times since then (inc. one set of twins) and I just want to reassure you that even if it is diet, you do not need to worry that it will in any way affect your long term fertility in any way.

Q about your diet - are you getting the 1500-1800 cals, 40-50 g fat, 25-60 g of fat that is recommended? Low everything does not mean NO everything (esp nutrients! you can have some other foods, there are no magic foods!). You cannot be getting enough potassium (you NEED 2500-3500 mg potassium every day) eating only those things. Check out the "quick fixes for diet disasters" thread in the DM section for some ideas. Just by adding a banana a day, you'll up your cals and give yourself some potassium that you desperately need right now.

I am not taking vitex. Maybe its the potassium, I will put a tomato on my dinner tonight. I am eating 1100-1300 calories, roughly 25 grams fat and 40 protein. How do you know when you stopped ovulating? Its just really odd that on cd4 my period is gone. Its not like me at all.

[purple sky]

I agree with Zanacal , 1x a day should be fine. Even though I didn't have my dh start until after af was over I think we may have started a little early too because I O so late. Oh well hopefully the vitex will work and i O a little earlier this month. You should be O pretty soon though right Pinkin? Hopefully you won't have to go at this for much longer!

[purple sky]

I was meant to O today but i am not going to be, I hope its tomorrow !
So did you already have your attempt?

[purple sky]

PrayFP - I have had cycles like this, in my case it was (TMI) brownish type blood and didn't seem like a "real" af. Unfortunately in my case I would have a long cycle that month. I wasn't taking any herbs, pills or anything just have weird cycles sometimes. Maybe your not getting enough cals? Are you under more stress than usual? This things can affect my cycles that's why i ask. The only real way to know if your not O is by charting your temps. Could be your uterine lining is too thin so there wasn't much to slough off?

[xokatietatie]

Hey ladies -- just dropping in to say hi. AF is gone - started using RepHresh again today - going to start using OPKs tomorrow afternoon. I can't believe I'm so close to the big attempt. I sure hope these next couple days (or weeks really) go by quickly!

[atomic sagebrush]

I am not taking vitex. Maybe its the potassium, I will put a tomato on my dinner tonight. I am eating 1100-1300 calories, roughly 25 grams fat and 40 protein. How do you know when you stopped ovulating? Its just really odd that on cd4 my period is gone. Its not like me at all.

It's not potassium, it's hormonal.

It actually can be a good sign (I know it feels weird and scary) because if your hormones are different that can mean you are hormonally in a different place, which is what you WANT for TTC pink.

The reason I mention the potassium has nothing to do with your periods, it's because I don't want you to keel over dead of a heart attack from too little potassium. 2500-3500 mg a day and if that means a banana, eat a banana.

[xokatietatie]

I was meant to O today but i am not going to be, I hope its tomorrow !

I get so excited every single time I see a BFP on here, but I think I am most hopeful and excited for you! I just know this is your month, pink!!

[amari]

Just wanting to ask a Q on F/R.. My d/h has been F/R since the 21st of dec. It was going to be once a day but i think there has been 5 times he released twice in a day and once was 3 times in a day. There is NO WAY i can get him to release more then once a day now he just has nothing left to give ( usually he does not ever help himself and we would usually dtd every 3 days) Anyway I can get him to release still once a day but its so hard for him to do and does not happen on the first try of releasing, what does this mean are his T levels pretty low now??? I am worried to have my attempt because i had big plans of having him release once or twice on attempt day then use the next batch for dtd. What should I do???

My dh had the same problem last month. We ended up not attempting (not b/c of that). If it is that low I would just dtd and not worry about dumping any before hand. Good luck!!

[KraizyDaizy]

I think it's fine, suregena. Sodium's the least important sway factor anyway, and as far as cheats go, yours won't be bad at all. It would be far worse to have a big steak or something! Besides, one day won't hurt anything. Enjoy your meal!

Is there some thread that has the sway factors in order of importance? Like you say sodium is the least important sway factor, I would like to know the others?

[Mochagirl]

There was a thread once upon a time where atomic listed sway factors in the order in which she'd drop them if you were having trouble trying to get pregnant. Of course, I don't have a clue what thread it was! In a different thread she once listed the importance of the diet elements, and has said many times that she's not fully convinced salt sways strongly anyway since all humans seem to crave salt and yet girls are still born in even numbers. If I can find either of those threads, I'll post them for you.

[pinkin2011]

Thanks everyone for your advice, Yeah poor d/h he sure is trying .. Its 12pm here and i am going to do a opk soon ( first one for today ) if it is + i will be dtd when d/h gets home from work roughly.. If not well its ANOTHER day.

Awww Katie thanks so much your gorgeous! I hope we get a bfp together!!!! I get really excited for everyone when i see them too. I have my FX crossed for us both and everyone else attempting this month!!!!

Purple Sky You know what i am going through with this f/r such hard work! I pray you get your bfp too!

[pinkin2011]

Opk was still - so I will do another about 7pm and see what that is. Surely I am close my body is really playing tricks on me this month!

[purple sky]

Opk was still - so I will do another about 7pm and see what that is. Surely I am close my body is really playing tricks on me this month!
Of course it messes with you when you are desperately waiting for it :sigh:

[xokatietatie]

I hope you get our + soon, pink!!! It would be fun to be DD buddies!!! If you get pregnant this month, what's your EDD?

[pinkin2011]

i will be so happy to see that + line, d/h will be over the moon he was so excited days ago when i thought i had a + but i used it early morning and it gave me a false +

[pinkin2011]

I am not sure how do they work out edd? do they take it from the day of you last af?

[xokatietatie]

First day of last AF

[pinkin2011]

well i will be due the 1st of oct then! what about you??

[xokatietatie]

You can find online calculators that will tell you.

[xokatietatie]

October 8!!!

[pinkin2011]

did you go over with your boys?

[xokatietatie]

DS1 came on his due date, and both DS2 and DS3 came 4 days early. How about you?

[pinkin2011]

He came on his due date! 30th of sep!! how close will that be oh no!!

[xokatietatie]

My husband and I got married on September 30!!!!

[pinkin2011]

Did you??? We got married on the 3rd of November!

[amari]

Pink-I feel like that was last month for me. I didn't o til cd21. Hope it's much sooner for you!

[xokatietatie]

Yeah, back in 2006. We were originally going to get married in May, but it was too close to his college graduation... so we randomly picked the 30th and it ended up being the perfect day! What's the weather like where you live in October?

[pinkin2011]

Oh geeze Amari! its taking forever! Thanks i hope its real soon too!

[pinkin2011]

usually really nice but the weather where i am in Victoria is very unpredictable.. in summer like it is now can be say 38 or 40 degrees cel and the next day could be 16 degrees cel, real pain. but in oct roughly would be between 15 degrees and 22 degrees cel.

[xokatietatie]

What day are you on, pink?

[xokatietatie]

usually really nice but the weather where i am in Victoria is very unpredictable.. in summer like it is now can be say 38 or 40 degrees cel and the next day could be 16 degrees cel, real pain. but in oct roughly would be between 15 degrees and 22 degrees cel.

I should have studied more in science because I don't know celcius at all! It's autumn here in October, nice and cool which is my favorite.

[pinkin2011]

cycle day???

[pinkin2011]

well 38 or 40 degrees is hot... 15 deg is pretty cool 22 is just nice

[xokatietatie]

Yes, ma'am.

[pinkin2011]

I am on cd 15

[xokatietatie]

When is O day usually for you?

[pinkin2011]

today the 9th but nope no where to be seen, i did have some cm happening but i have been taking Zyrtec so i have nothing there really to go by. It cant be too far away!

[xokatietatie]

I would be POAS constantly if I were you!!! I hope it comes soon. I say give it a couple hours and test again. :)

[pinkin2011]

Trust me i had been until today, i only did one at 12.30pm and will test again maybe at 8pm.... FX for me!!!!

[xokatietatie]

I've got everything crossed that I can cross, haha! I hope I wake up to see a +OPK from you!!!

[KraizyDaizy]

I don't know how you all keep up with all these posts. I keep flipping the pages finding posts I still have not read yet.

I only used the vinegar douche to get rid of AF that was still hanging around. I never us them with our attempts. This month is just weird I think. For some reason my body does not want to let go of my AF I think.

I think I will O around CD19-21 so used RepHresh again tonight. So far on CD5, CD10 and CD14, so how many more times should I use it if I O on CD19-21? I think just one more time?

[xokatietatie]

Maybe do it one last time on CD 17 or 18. I think that would be good.

[purple sky]

I think I will O around CD19-21 so used RepHresh again tonight. So far on CD5, CD10 and CD14, so how many more times should I use it if I O on CD19-21? I think just one more time?
I would use it on cd 18 so that you don't have to use it again if you O by the 21st. I forget, are you using vitex or anything this cycle to try to stretch out your LP? Have you thought about progesterone cream or a prescribed progesterone pill?

[laughinglynxie]

Hi, I'm a newbie to the forums! Today is officially CD1 for me and will be my first month trying. :) I usually O on CD15.

[PeonyPrincess]

Hi and welcome to this crazy busy thread laughingly. Good luck with your sway and also trying to keep up with all the posts on here!
GL Katie!
Pinkin, CD 15 is the usual O day in a normal 28 day cycle, but I think you mentioned yours are normally 32? If so, it could still be a little while longer to wait. Hope it hurries up for you though.

[purple sky]

Hello and Welcome laughinglynxie!

[pinkin2011]

Peony yeah it is hey, for some reason tho i usually o day 15 or 16 and then i have 16 days until af not the usual 14 days after o. My body is strange!

Katie I hope so too!!! Its 4pm here and i want to test again now!!!

[PeonyPrincess]

usually really nice but the weather where i am in Victoria is very unpredictable.. in summer like it is now can be say 38 or 40 degrees cel and the next day could be 16 degrees cel, real pain. but in oct roughly would be between 15 degrees and 22 degrees cel.

The only bad thing about Melbourne is the weather!

[PeonyPrincess]

[QUOTE=pinkin2011;124663]Peony yeah it is hey, for some reason tho i usually o day 15 or 16 and then i have 16 days until af not the usual 14 days after o. My body is strange!

Well that would be good. FX for you for tonights POAS!

[PeonyPrincess]

My clear blue digital OPK kit arrived today, so I think I'm all ready for this month now. Still a few days til AF though. Back to work tomorrow, so that should keep me busy and off this computer!

[starflower]

Hi All, mind if I join you in here? :) Am not actually attempting untill Feb (as I stuffed up over Christmas etc haha) but thought I might join you lovely ladies here in the meantime if thats ok? I see a few familiar faces in here which is great! Big Congratulations to those with BFP's already and best of luck to anyone soon to be attempting or testing. Heres hoping we have plenty of pink baby dust in the air for 2012!!

[pinkin2011]

Katie, its 10pm here and its still negative, so disappointed ! Oh well cant do much about it but hope tomorrow is the day for me! I have a good feeling it could be tomorrow ha ha ha i have been saying that everyday!

[pinkin2011]

Peony Melbourne weather is bad isnt it!! its a real pain sometimes!

[xokatietatie]

Welcome, Starflower!

Pink, hopefully it comes tomorrow for you!

It's around 6:45 a.m. here. I've got a meeting at my son's school this morning, and then I am going to try to keep myself busy until 2:00... then it's time to do my first OPK. I know it's too early for a +, but I want to go ahead and start testing to give myself something to do! haha

[PeonyPrincess]

Yay starflower, you have the same picture. I like flower pics! Good to see you found us here.
Pinkin, bugger about the -OPK. One of my brothers used to live in Melbourne and whenever I visited it was cold and wet. Just drizzle, but enough to make you feel miserable. And I have been there in summer too when it was almost 40! At least everyone dresses nicely. Plenty of slobs up here!

[KraizyDaizy]

I would use it on cd 18 so that you don't have to use it again if you O by the 21st. I forget, are you using vitex or anything this cycle to try to stretch out your LP? Have you thought about progesterone cream or a prescribed progesterone pill?

I am not on Vitex at all. I was taking SP, but Sage advised me to stop it with my low levels. I have progesterone cream, but was not going to use it until after O. My OB is checking my progesterone levels this Friday to see if I need supplements.

[suregena]

I am not taking vitex. Maybe its the potassium, I will put a tomato on my dinner tonight. I am eating 1100-1300 calories, roughly 25 grams fat and 40 protein. How do you know when you stopped ovulating? Its just really odd that on cd4 my period is gone. Its not like me at all.



I'm also confused by my period this month! It's ended earlier and it has been VERY light compared to how it usually is. I think it's ended today...

Good thing we started FR yesterday, geez...

[auroara78]

Peony, so excitied for your attempt coming up (hopefully!)...Peony, I also have really long LPs, as I tend to have a 28 day cycle and ovulate early on CD12 or 13, then I have the long LP...it used to not be that way, before I concieved DS1, I actually spotted a few days before a period so I knew it would always come, the month I was preggers with him I was in totally denial and thought, maybe my period is just changing itself....(I don't recall us having sex that entire month to even concieve DS1, so abstainance certainly didn't get us girls!)

Katie, hope you get an OPK soon, maybe later this week? What is your sway plan...do you have a rough draft of a plan or a pretty set in stone plan?

Pinkin, hope you get a pos OPK soon too!

I'm still a bit nervous about tomorrow as that would be the day my period would have been due. I was having a lot of tugging/ cramping (not like period cramps though) on Friday and Saturday, it eased off on Sunday. I haven't told my Mom or his family yet, we're waiting for the period to offically miss...I will call my Mom soon, but she's been kind of down about us TTC'ing...we are close though, so I know I can't keep it a secret for long, I just don't want to tell her quite yet, so I've avoided calling her, which is probably making her mad, LOL.

[Out of the Blue]

Hi all! As usual, I'm waaaaaay behind on this thread...:oops: I'm CD13 today but I probably won't O for another 4-5 days (but who knows...???). I never know when I'll O as my cycles are so schizophrenic...It's just a guessing game all the time. DH has been releasing every day for about 5 days and I'll have him keep it up. I may put in a 1/2 app of RepHresh in soon but I won't do the "1/2 app every day" route that I took last time as I think it may have been overkill. Last time we BD like bunnies but this time, we'll just wait for a +OPK and continue to BD through O using Sylk. I will not do a J&D b/c I didn't even do that last time and still a BFN. We'll just give it our best shot this time and really hope it's enough to get us a baby...:pray:

This weekend when we were out, we kept seeing little babies EVERYWHERE and DH got teary-eyed and just kept saying how much he wanted a baby NOW and how he really hopes we can have a girl. He said that if we don't get our girl, we can adopt (which I would :awe: to do right now but the cost is so steep.). There was a little girl in one of the stores who kept waving and playing "peek-a-boo" w/DH. She was less that 18 mos and we were both just smitten w/her. I think my DH needs a baby just as much as I do…sometimes I think he may need her even more. DS1 also keeps talking about a baby and kind of forgets/doesn't quite understand that there's no longer a baby in my belly. He'll bring me little toys and place them next to my belly saying "This is for the baby..." I can't wait to see DS2 become a big brother and DS1 become a big, BIG brother! Hopefully this kid is on its way very soon...

My parents bought plane tickets to come visit next March/April and I'm kind of not looking forward to it b/c that's when I was set to deliver, that's my B-day and also the B-day of one of our greyhounds who died last year by accident (DH left him outside too long and he died in my arms of heat stroke). Seeing my parents again isn't something I'm looking forward to either b/c it was on a visit to see them that I m/c my girl. My Mom didn't even want us to TTC another and she kept saying we'd just have a boy (probably to dissuade us from trying). They mean well but they kind of just stress me out and make me sad. I don’t want to be still TTC then as I’ll probably be in a fragile/melancholy state even if I get a BFP before then but if I’m still swaying, that’ll be just terrible.

Sorry for the rant…Just having a hard time after my parents said they plan to visit during the time I just want to hide from everyone and grieve privately w/DH. I miss my angels and long to be preg again and with a healthy baby this time. I know we all long to be preg and want our dream to come true ASAP. My wish is for all of us to get speedy BFPs followed by news that it’s a healthy GIRL…:HH:

[XXdreaming]

So how long does it take for your hcg to drop and hormones go to normal? I am so ready for this nausea to go away, I am getting a little better everyday but still pretty yucky and not really feeling like eating, the m/c before this one I never got sick and I don't remember how long the others took

[auroara78]

Sorry to hear about your loss (and other losses), XXdreaming.... :(

Jen, I really think this cycle is going to be it! You're going to do a brilliant sway and end up preggers with a beautiful little girl that your two sons will love & protect!!

[littlemissnaughty7]

OOTH i just read your post and filled up with tears, i hope you get your little girl soon, but your angel babies are always there with you that will never die, and i hope your parents somehow change there minds about comin next march/april, x

[xokatietatie]

Katie, hope you get an OPK soon, maybe later this week? What is your sway plan...do you have a rough draft of a plan or a pretty set in stone plan?

We're just going to DTD one time as soon as I get a +OPK. I've been trying to follow the diet, drink crystal light like it's my job, taking rephresh every 3 days, baby aspirin every other day, and I am going to take zyrtek around O day plus maybe do a jump and dump.

[xokatietatie]

OOTB, your post got to me as well. Thanks for being so open and honest. I struggle with my parents as well and the things my mother has said to try to convince me not to have another child. I'm praying for you to get your girl. :)

[purple sky]

OOTB :HH::sad: I too hope your parents decide they can't make it up to visit. Hopefully you get a BFP before then.

[purple sky]

OMG so my monitor says I should O in the next 3-4 days :nails: I don't know what to do. I wasn't expecting to O for another 10 days or so. I wonder if it's wrong? I totally blew the diet over the holidays.

[rainbowflower]

So how long does it take for your hcg to drop and hormones go to normal? I am so ready for this nausea to go away, I am getting a little better everyday but still pretty yucky and not really feeling like eating, the m/c before this one I never got sick and I don't remember how long the others took

it depends when you pass the hormone-producing cells... it can be a couple of weeks. Make sure you get a BFN before TTC again.

[rainbowflower]

ootb: you do seem to get a slight pre-OV dip in a couple of cycles... really hope you catch that egg this cycle!! you deserve it so much.
oh, I'm sorry that will be a difficult time of year for you when your parents visit and (seemingly) increase your stress levels :( - was it 2011 it happened to you? :( hope you have a rainbow baby on the way by then and can survive the dates. It does get easier even if that's hard to imagine right now.

[rainbowflower]

OMG so my monitor says I should O in the next 3-4 days :nails: I don't know what to do. I wasn't expecting to O for another 10 days or so. I wonder if it's wrong? I totally blew the diet over the holidays.

was it a CBFM? have you been good on the diet for a week or two since?

[myfiveboys]

Hi! I'm new and joining in here! I'm on CD 3, just took my first clomid last night. Hoping to O arond 1/20-1/25 (I never know when i'll O on clomid). Hoping to get a bfp around Feb. 1st.
Good luck to everyone else!

[purple sky]

Rainbow- I have an Ovacue II monitor. I've been really good since the New year but that still leaves me with less than 2 weeks of strict diet. I don't know if I should just skip this month? I'm really leaning to towards skipping.

Welcome myfiveboys :wave:

[rainbowflower]

purple - how long will you be able to stay on the diet for? last cycle I decided to TTC with less than 3 weeks of strict diet behind me because I'm close to being underweight anyway... but it has to be what you can live with and what you won't regret. If you're leaning towards skipping but you try and you happen to get a boy, would you always regret not waiting? or would you be able to rationalise it as being an opposite?


Hi! I'm new and joining in here! I'm on CD 3, just took my first clomid last night. Hoping to O arond 1/20-1/25 (I never know when i'll O on clomid). Hoping to get a bfp around Feb. 1st.
Good luck to everyone else!
welcome, hope you have a short stay in here!

[purple sky]

Yea I think i'm going to skip. I think I would regret it. If I did the diet for at least a month along with other factors and I still got a boy then I would be a lot more accepting of an opposite. My poor dh and all his FR lol at least I can tell him he can give it a rest for now.

[rainbowflower]

glad you've made a decision! some things are worth waiting for too :)

[xokatietatie]

Hi! I'm new and joining in here! I'm on CD 3, just took my first clomid last night. Hoping to O arond 1/20-1/25 (I never know when i'll O on clomid). Hoping to get a bfp around Feb. 1st.
Good luck to everyone else!

Welcome!

[xokatietatie]

How important is diet in the grand scheme of things? I've been trying my best, but have not been as successful with it as I would have liked... However, DH and I are determined to try this month. Could it ruin the sway, or will the baby aspirin/rephresh/zyrtec/crystal light obsession be enough?

[Mochagirl]

I'm still a bit nervous about tomorrow as that would be the day my period would have been due. I was having a lot of tugging/ cramping (not like period cramps though) on Friday and Saturday, it eased off on Sunday. I haven't told my Mom or his family yet, we're waiting for the period to offically miss...I will call my Mom soon, but she's been kind of down about us TTC'ing...we are close though, so I know I can't keep it a secret for long, I just don't want to tell her quite yet, so I've avoided calling her, which is probably making her mad, LOL.

My cramps come and go too, and I'm constantly checking the toilet paper when I wipe to make sure there's no blood. Everytime I do get a solid pregnancy symptom - even the uncomfortable ones - I'm so happy, because it makes me FEEL pregnant and be a little less stressed.

[Mochagirl]

Sorry for the rant…Just having a hard time after my parents said they plan to visit during the time I just want to hide from everyone and grieve privately w/DH. I miss my angels and long to be preg again and with a healthy baby this time. I know we all long to be preg and want our dream to come true ASAP. My wish is for all of us to get speedy BFPs followed by news that it’s a healthy GIRL…:HH:

Oh Jen, I'm sooo sorry for the extra stress caused by your parents visiting. I'm also sorry for how your poor dog died - that much have been so traumatic for you!

Your parents visit won't be as bad as you think, though, because you'll be 3 months pregnant by then, and feeling much happier in general :luck: :HH:

[Mochagirl]

So how long does it take for your hcg to drop and hormones go to normal? I am so ready for this nausea to go away, I am getting a little better everyday but still pretty yucky and not really feeling like eating, the m/c before this one I never got sick and I don't remember how long the others took

Because mine was a MMC, I suspect much of the HCG was already gone by the time I m/c. It had been a completely symptomless pregnancy, which should have been a warning sign. For me, a week after the m/c, my HCG was 12. I still managed to get a shadow of a line (looked like an evap) on a FRER almost 2 weeks after my m/c, and on my final bloodwork 3 weeks after the m/c it was 0. AF arrived just under 4 weeks after the m/c.

I really hope the symptoms disappear quickly for you. :HH:

[Out of the Blue]

So how long does it take for your hcg to drop and hormones go to normal? I am so ready for this nausea to go away, I am getting a little better everyday but still pretty yucky and not really feeling like eating, the m/c before this one I never got sick and I don't remember how long the others took

I'm so sorry for your losses. :hug2: I don't know how long it takes but I got my 1st AF 6 wks after I delivered my 16wk baby. According to FertilityFriend, I O'ed about 14 days before that. Some women O before their 1st PP AF, some don't. It can be different for every woman but this may give you some idea. My heart is going out to you right now and I'm so sorry you're going through this, XX...:HH:

[Out of the Blue]

ootb: you do seem to get a slight pre-OV dip in a couple of cycles... really hope you catch that egg this cycle!! you deserve it so much.
oh, I'm sorry that will be a difficult time of year for you when your parents visit and (seemingly) increase your stress levels :( - was it 2011 it happened to you? :( hope you have a rainbow baby on the way by then and can survive the dates. It does get easier even if that's hard to imagine right now.

Thx, Rainbow...I'm so sorry AF came for you, especially b/c I know the timing was bad :HH: I am really thankful that your LP is looking much better and I'm sending you lots of BFP vibes for this next attempt. I know you need another rainbow too.

2011 has been a very difficult year for DH and me as we lost 2 dogs in less than a week last summer and then went on to lose our twins. 2012 just has to be better, right? Hope it's a year of rainbows and little pink bundles for all of us...:cheer:

[amari]

Hi, all!

Ootb-Sorry you're having a rough go. So sweet about your dh. It sounds like your sway for this month is a perfect balance! Stick baby, stick! xoxo

Sounds like a lot of us are having very short and light periods, myself included. Maybe it is the diet? I didn't have a period at all before so I can't really be included anyways, I am on drugs!

Good luck to all those waiting to O!!

[Out of the Blue]

Purple Sky, sometimes O can just sneak up on you! Is this your 1st month TTC? If it was me, I wouldn’t worry too much about the diet as long as the trend has been girl-friendly and the past wk has been pretty good. Sending you lots of :luck:

[Out of the Blue]

How important is diet in the grand scheme of things? I've been trying my best, but have not been as successful with it as I would have liked... However, DH and I are determined to try this month. Could it ruin the sway, or will the baby aspirin/reprhresh/zyrtec/crystal light obsession be enough?

My personal opinion (probably only worth :twocents:, lol) is that overall, the diet is really important and could be the most important factor but it's just hard to say what is what for everyone. Someone may start swaying and be pretty close to tipping the swaying scale to pink already while another may start swaying and have a long way to go before tipping pink, kwim. It's just so hard to give you a definitive answer and everyone has to make peace w/their sway before TTC. We don't want any regrets but we also want to be preg, hopefully sooner than later. It's a delicate balance and there are no easy answers. :HH:

[Out of the Blue]

Glad to see so many new swayers!!! :celebrate: So glad you found us…Lots of :luck: :pinksperm: :luck: to everyone!!!

To quote rainbow....

welcome, hope you have a short stay in here!

:cheerteam:

[Out of the Blue]

My cramps come and go too, and I'm constantly checking the toilet paper when I wipe to make sure there's no blood. Everytime I do get a solid pregnancy symptom - even the uncomfortable ones - I'm so happy, because it makes me FEEL pregnant and be a little less stressed.

Auroara and Mocha...:HH:...It's so stressful isn't it? I was a TP watcher w/my last 2 pregnancies...had those aches/pains/twinges but it's completely normal, albeit stressful. Your little beans are just cozying up for an nice snug 8 more mos in there...:cheer:

[Out of the Blue]

Hi, all!

Ootb-Sorry you're having a rough go. So sweet about your dh. It sounds like your sway for this month is a perfect balance! Stick baby, stick! xoxo

Sounds like a lot of us are having very short and light periods, myself included. Maybe it is the diet? I didn't have a period at all before so I can't really be included anyways, I am on drugs!

Good luck to all those waiting to O!!

I had a light AF this last time too but also had spotting before AF which I've never, ever had...weird stuff!

Thx so much for your kind words...:HH:

[xokatietatie]

OPK was - today, which is fine... I wasn't expecting it to be positive yet. I am going to really try to kick it into gear with the diet for the next week or so and hope that it will be enough to make up for my days I struggled.

[xokatietatie]

I had a light AF this last time too but also had spotting before AF which I've never, ever had...weird stuff!

Thx so much for your kind words...:HH:

AF was shorter and lighter for me this time as well. Maybe it's a good sign! :)

[Out of the Blue]

OPK was - today, which is fine... I wasn't expecting it to be positive yet. I am going to really try to kick it into gear with the diet for the next week or so and hope that it will be enough to make up for my days I struggled.

When are you set to O? For some reason, I thought you were around the 20th...If so, you've got time to reverse a few bad days IMO. :luck: to you!

[xokatietatie]

My cramps come and go too, and I'm constantly checking the toilet paper when I wipe to make sure there's no blood. Everytime I do get a solid pregnancy symptom - even the uncomfortable ones - I'm so happy, because it makes me FEEL pregnant and be a little less stressed.

I love feeling pregnant! So happy for you right now. :)

[XXdreaming]

Thanks ladies, mine was a mmc too, I found out at 10wks u/s that baby passed around 8wks, I still had all my symptoms, my body I guess wasn't planning on m/c any time soon, since cervix was closed, no cramps, or spotting, it was a complete surprise, I did have a d&c and I figured I would be back to normal in just a few days, I go back in 2wks for checkup and bloodwork, I am kind of upset because I thought a d&c would clear you out and I am still passing greyish clots, it wasn't my regular ob that did it since he still on his christmas/new yrs vacation he took, I should see him though at my 2wk checkup, would vitex help get things back faster?

Ootb I am sorry for your loss, I think the further you go in pregnancy the harder the loss is, I pray you get a bfp soon and a healthy baby girl *hugs*

Mocha- congrats on the bfp! Praying for a healthy baby girl for you! I know its hard once you experience a loss, I pray your 1st trimester flies by for you so you can relax :)

[amari]

What are you ladies eating. I know there is a food thread, but it is slow. I struggle with the food. I eat a lot of 100 cal to 300 cal things to make up each of my 3 meals that I eat. This morning I had 2 mini bagels w/cream cheese and sugar-free jelly, white toast w/ low-fat butter, a fiber smoothie and a mini cupcake. (I added the cupcake to stop from losing more weight). I am getting hungrier, I guess b/c I'm losing again and body isn't happy b/c I shouldn't be losing anymore. This morning I ate bfast at 9, so now I don't know when to eat next? If I eat a meal now I guess I could have a big a** thing of frozen yogurt tonight?

I digress, what are you ladies eating? Thanks!

[xokatietatie]

When are you set to O? For some reason, I thought you were around the 20th...If so, you've got time to reverse a few bad days IMO. :luck: to you!

I'm not quite sure, but I'm thinking is only about a week away.

[auroara78]

Katie, I think if you haven't done diet real strictly, then being strict now and a few days after O is good. Supposedly girl sperm thrive in a low glucose environment, so if you didn't do the diet 100%, you can still *make* up for a few bad days with being strict from now onwards. But it's up to you, of course.

I think swaying is very awesome but can be heart-wrenching. Sometimes I just feel like I *know* too much now, lol, and sometimes I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface, despite all our noble attempts and efforts.

Somethings are so special they just want to remain a mystery to us all :awe:

I say this because I know so many kids/couples in RL that should have had "opposites" based on swaying rules.

[Out of the Blue]

XX, I started taking Vitex after my m/c and I know Mocha did too. Maybe that’s what helped things along and why I O’d 2 wks before my 1st PP AF. It may be that the D&C got “everything” but that those little bits are just from your uterus and you’re on the mend. I wouldn’t worry too much about it but definitely let your doc know when you see him. I know you really just want to move things along…you’re on your way, I promise. We’ll be here on your journey…:hugs:

XX, I think a loss is a loss, no matter how far along the m/c is...There is always pain & suffering :HH:

[Out of the Blue]

Amari, I eat the same way...adding 200 cals here to 300 cals there. Today, I think I'll eat canned pumpkin + plain low fat yogurt + cinnamon + sugar and pair that w/a raspberry + rice milk + fiber smoothie for dinner. Lunch will be the usual: sautéed leeks/mushrooms/rice/quark (like crème fraiche but lower in fat/cals I think) & then coco pops (popped corn cakes)/whipped topping/strawberry jam.

[KraizyDaizy]

OMG so my monitor says I should O in the next 3-4 days :nails: I don't know what to do. I wasn't expecting to O for another 10 days or so. I wonder if it's wrong? I totally blew the diet over the holidays.

I have a Clear Blue fertility monitor and it sound like you might have one too. Is the monitor on PEAK and that is how ou know you are about to O in 3-4 days? This is just my 3rd cycle with mine, so I am trying to learn what HIGH and PEAK mean. Maybe you can shed some light on it for me? I saw two lines today, so I am hoping my surge is coming soon?

[Out of the Blue]

I'm not quite sure, but I'm thinking is only about a week away.

That's so soon! :agree: Let's get this TTC party started, girl! :cheer:

[Out of the Blue]

Katie, I think if you haven't done diet real strictly, then being strict now and a few days after O is good. Supposedly girl sperm thrive in a low glucose environment, so if you didn't do the diet 100%, you can still *make* up for a few bad days with being strict from now onwards. But it's up to you, of course.

I think swaying is very awesome but can be heart-wrenching. Sometimes I just feel like I *know* too much now, lol, and sometimes I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface, despite all our noble attempts and efforts.

Somethings are so special they just want to remain a mystery to us all :awe:

I say this because I know so many kids/couples in RL that should have had "opposites" based on swaying rules.

I know!!! No matter how much we try and "plan" for things, sometimes they just happen the way they do...It's just a mystery sometimes! That's what kind of helped me make peace w/my sway...I know I can't control everything and I'll just try to take charge of the things I can and hope for the best! :flowerz:

[amari]

Sorry for all your losses. That must make ttc that much more difficult. I went through struggles to conceive for several years for our first and it was heart wrenching. I know this is different but when you are ready to be a mom you are ready. I hope you all get your bfp's soon!

What does vitex do?

[xokatietatie]

Okay, I just have to keep telling myself I can do this. One week (maybe more/maybe less) is not that long, and I can keep up with the diet!! I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. :)

[Out of the Blue]

Vitex helps "regulate" cycles but it's been known to make some women's cycles crazy (which could be a good thing for swaying pink, as frustrating as it is). It can also bring your cycle back after delivering or M/C. It sways pink to some extent but there are little blue guys out there from Moms who took Vitex.

[purple sky]

Daizy - I have an Ovacue II monitor. I chose that instead of the CBEFM because I didn't want to buy the sticks each month. Sorry I can't help.
OOTB - I'm definitely skipping this month, I feel good about my decision. I think It would have been a total bomb for me (not that I would have gotten pg. but IF i did)
Katie- I do think diet is probably the MOST important. I don't think you have to be really strict but I think you should try to be as good as possible.
Pinkin- Any news on your OPK?

[Out of the Blue]

Okay, I just have to keep telling myself I can do this. One week (maybe more/maybe less) is not that long, and I can keep up with the diet!! I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. :)

One meal at a time...pretty soon you'll have a few days down and then it'll be like riding a bicycle! YOU CAN DO IT, KATIE!!!

:cheerteam:

[amari]

Amari, I eat the same way...adding 200 cals here to 300 cals there. Today, I think I'll eat canned pumpkin + plain low fat yogurt + cinnamon + sugar and pair that w/a raspberry + rice milk + fiber smoothie for dinner. Lunch will be the usual: sautéed leeks/mushrooms/rice/quark (like crème fraiche but lower in fat/cals I think) & then coco pops (popped corn cakes)/whipped topping/strawberry jam.

We eat similar things but I add a lot more food to my day than you. I eat quark too. I eat one more meal and I also load in the sweets after each meal. I can't seem to stay not hungry, which I know is the idea! How do you eat so little?

[purple sky]

Vitex helps "regulate" cycles but it's been known to make some women's cycles crazy (which could be a good thing for swaying pink, as frustrating as it is). It can also bring your cycle back after delivering or M/C. It sways pink to some extent but there are little blue guys out there from Moms who took Vitex.
This is the first time i took vitex (w/o forgetting or skipping any days) I think this is definitely why I am O earlier than usual.

[Out of the Blue]

We eat similar things but I add a lot more food to my day than you. I eat quark too. I eat one more meal and I also load in the sweets after each meal. I can't seem to stay not hungry, which I know is the idea! How do you eat so little?

I think I'm just used to it now...I've been at this for a while and even after my BFP last July, I didn't eat a whole lot more. I'm eating about 1500 cals now so I've increased things since my December swaying. Don't worry about how much you're eating b/c you need to maintain, not lose! You're doing just right, especially loading up on the sweets. :agree:

[Out of the Blue]

This is the first time i took vitex (w/o forgetting or skipping any days) I think this is definitely why I am O earlier than usual.

Could be the Vitex...:fx: for a BFP after you O in a few days!!!

[Mochagirl]

Thanks ladies, mine was a mmc too, I found out at 10wks u/s that baby passed around 8wks, I still had all my symptoms, my body I guess wasn't planning on m/c any time soon, since cervix was closed, no cramps, or spotting, it was a complete surprise, I did have a d&c and I figured I would be back to normal in just a few days, I go back in 2wks for checkup and bloodwork, I am kind of upset because I thought a d&c would clear you out and I am still passing greyish clots, it wasn't my regular ob that did it since he still on his christmas/new yrs vacation he took, I should see him though at my 2wk checkup, would vitex help get things back faster?

Ootb I am sorry for your loss, I think the further you go in pregnancy the harder the loss is, I pray you get a bfp soon and a healthy baby girl *hugs*

Mocha- congrats on the bfp! Praying for a healthy baby girl for you! I know its hard once you experience a loss, I pray your 1st trimester flies by for you so you can relax :)

XX - I know I said this elsewhere, but my heart aches for you having to go through this so many times. No person should have to experience a m/c once, much less 5 times! I will count myself lucky that at least with my mmc, I didn't have symptoms - it must be tough to feel pregnant when you're not. I hope your body gets back to normal really quickly so you can make a healthy, sticky pink baby :HH:.

[suregena]

Auroara and Mocha...:HH:...It's so stressful isn't it? I was a TP watcher w/my last 2 pregnancies...had those aches/pains/twinges but it's completely normal, albeit stressful. Your little beans are just cozying up for an nice snug 8 more mos in there...:cheer:

I can totally relate. Two miscarriages in a row, my pregnancy with my son never felt solid or real until the 20 week scan. I was CONSTANTLY checking my underwear/toilet paper... constantly. :/

[pinkin2011]

Purple sky, I will be checking today! Its only 7.30am here so I wont be checking it until about lunch time.

[pinkin2011]

I know its am here but i caved only because i was up pretty much all night, i had the worst sleep and drank so much water before bed and i went to the toilet nearly every hr!! even in the early hrs so i thought maybe i could try one as i wouldnt have you would say FMU... The Test Line went dark before the control line even started??? so i think this is it for me I will def be doing one this arvo because d/h is at work there is no point me worrying about it until he gets home I cant make a baby by myself!!! Just looked at the test... The Test line is darker then the control line!!

[KraizyDaizy]

Well isn't this something...+OPK this afternoon! So much for me Oing CD19-21????? I only used SP about a week, could this have changed my cycle? And RepHresh on CD14 (last night)! So we need to start DTD right? I am so not prepared! I thought I had more time for RePhresh to mellow out? Okay, what should I do now LOL?

[pinkin2011]

KraizyDaizy you and me both!!!!! I cant do a thing my d/h is at work for another 8 hrs!!!! I will be meeting him out the front as he pulls up in his car ha ha ha! I take saw palmetto and vitex my o is late by a day or 2

[purple sky]

Daizy! I think this is the month for crazy cycles!! It's a good thing you used rephresh last night. I don't use sp but it could have done it. Do you have a plan on when/how you will dtd? cut-off or through O?

[KraizyDaizy]

KraizyDaizy you and me both!!!!! I cant do a thing my d/h is at work for another 8 hrs!!!! I will be meeting him out the front as he pulls up in his car ha ha ha! I take saw palmetto and vitex my o is late by a day or 2

Pink we are O buddies LOL!!! This is so unexpected!!!! but last month my LP was just 8 days, so maybe this is making up for it!!!! My DH is a stay at home dad, so he will be home and ready for sure, but we do have 4 boys so we will have to figure something out LOL!!!! Well I guess I won't need any RepHresh tonight LOL!!! Probably overkill anyways with another BFN :hair:!

[purple sky]

Pink good luck on your attempt! Are you checking your cervix? You should def do another opk this afternoon.

[xokatietatie]

I know its am here but i caved only because i was up pretty much all night, i had the worst sleep and drank so much water before bed and i went to the toilet nearly every hr!! even in the early hrs so i thought maybe i could try one as i wouldnt have you would say FMU... The Test Line went dark before the control line even started??? so i think this is it for me I will def be doing one this arvo because d/h is at work there is no point me worrying about it until he gets home I cant make a baby by myself!!! Just looked at the test... The Test line is darker then the control line!!

Are you going to test again before DH gets home from work??

[pinkin2011]

ha ha yep O buddies alright!! Your lucky with your d/h being home I rang mine and said " Its Time " ha ha ha ,he was pretty excited he was about 2 hrs away from home and i said can you turn around and come back!!! I just hope we get those BFP's PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!

[pinkin2011]

Yeah I will be doing a opk about 1 pm so i should know for sure by then, If its neg how sad am i going to be!!!!

[pinkin2011]

Cervix is very high

[xokatietatie]

WOOO!!! GO MAKE A BABY!!!!

[purple sky]

I Hope this is it for you ladies :fingers:

[dannikins]

My cramps come and go too, and I'm constantly checking the toilet paper when I wipe to make sure there's no blood. Everytime I do get a solid pregnancy symptom - even the uncomfortable ones - I'm so happy, because it makes me FEEL pregnant and be a little less stressed.

i still do that, and im almost half way!!!

[laughinglynxie]

I blame the crazy cycles on our recent full moon. :)

[littlemissnaughty7]

hey peeps hope you are all making babys right now lol, just wondered when do you all take your supplements through the day, and with the baby aspirin how do i take that again is it from the first day of the diet 2-3 times a week ???

[xokatietatie]

I just have to say... I want a cheeseburger and french fries SO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[suregena]

I just have to say... I want a cheeseburger and french fries SO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:tissue::tissue::tissue::tissue::tissue::tissue::t issue::tissue::tissue::tissue:


I'd love to eat cheese... on everything. A big, fat burrito packed full of loads of guacamole, sour cream, cheeeeeeese, hot sauce, black beans...

I'm going to join you in the sob fest! :tissue:

Actually, I wasn't finding the diet too bad once I got the swing of it... thought it all tasted pretty good, the past two days I have been struggling, though. :/

I hope I get pregnant this cycle.
Now I've got to decide whether to DTD once on +OPK, or more than once in the fertile window... because we're doing a lot to sway (vitex, and fiber when I remember to take it, plus I will be doing Piriteze which is the same as Zyrtek and repHresh, plus we've started the FR yesterday and he has been taking licorice root... and I'm breastfeeding still, too! And we were both already vegetarian to start with) and atomic suggested maybe doing more than one attempt, but I'm conflicted! I guess I don't have any success stories to read to up my confidence in doing 3 attempts versus just 1, but then I would rather get pregnant ASAP.
Hmmmmm.... hmmm....


Anyway, burrito.... droooooooooooooool. CHEESE ENCHILADAS. PINTO BEEEEEEEAAAAAANS!!!! :tissue:

[xokatietatie]

I measured out a 1/2 cup of uncooked elbow macaroni and cooked it without salt or anything, then I added a spoonful of spaghetti sauce (serving size is 1/2 cup but I just used enough to help the pasta not be dry), and then I sprinkled just a little bit of shredded cheese on top (serving size is 1/4 cup but I just used a tiny bit because I can't live without cheese).

[pinkin2011]

I just went for a walk, my day is going to drag!!!!! I would love some KFC i am soooooooo hungry right now and its only just 10.15am!!! what should i eat today??

[suregena]

I ate so much cheese before that I feel I must cut it out and just stick with the heavily processed dairylea and the low fat creme fraiche. I feel different, I guess, so I guess I need my body to be a little freaked out by what I'm doing or else I'll have done it all for nothing. A lot of you ladies eat meat already, so by virtue of going vegetarian (if you have), that is enough to shake things up in your body. I've been vegetarian for years. I almost went vegan but I was having a hard time coming up with easy lunch ideas that would be simple and not stress me out... or put me off doing this completely.

But argh, my husband even making a cheese sandwich for his lunch to take to work is starting to get to me! I WANT BREAD! CHEESE! THINGS!

[xokatietatie]

As soon as I get a BFP I am going to PIG OUT for dinner.

[suregena]

As soon as I get a BFP I am going to PIG OUT for dinner.

Hahah, I told my husband that... I said as soon as I'm pregnant, even if it's the "broke" time of month, I'm getting out my credit card and I am going to eat... eat EAT! I mean, not crazy. But, you know... each meal is going to be AMAZING! :p
And I am going to make the most of it until morning sickness kicks in.

[pinkin2011]

Oh Morning sickness i lost 15 kgs just from morning sickness, I wounder if i will get it again! I was a bag of bones

[pinkin2011]

KraizyDaizy have you had your attempt yet?????

[pinkin2011]

its 11.20 am just did another opk its def +

[lemon2012]

I officially cannot keep up! I just tried to read 6 pages!

KD....if the cbfm says peak you are ready to go! If you have a high it could still be days. If the two lines are somewhat dark you could be a few days out still...so go for it! Sometimes I thought I would o in 1-2 days and it was 4!

amari....you look so little. Are you eating enough? Are you on clomid?

Katie....I will join you for cheeseburger and fries....even if it is not exactly what I feel like, I want the joy of eating whatever and whenever! However, I am really lax with the diet...I eat meals totally veggie and totally LE but I am also making sure I have enough food and some treats! I might even go for a piece of chocolate....lol! I think overall if your intake is different and you are doing low everything it is enough. Well, I hope! I know diet is important for the sway.

Pinkin2011,..,what happened?

Did I miss attempts?
OOTB....did you make yours?

I am taking vitex again and confused about amounts.
Is anyone using a standardized amount?

OOTB did you drop rephresh?

Hope everyone is well...my attempt is next week.
Taking it casually this month.
It is the most healthy for me....so I hope it works!

[XXdreaming]

lol thats what I did when I got my bfp I actually went to sonic (its a fast food resturant) and got me a double cheeseburger lol it was so good, and then like a week later m/s hit and couldnt eat anything lol,
I started vitex today(well just got in one pill in today) hopefully things will go back to normal again, I could use another one of those double cheeseburgers lmbo, I will eat one before I start my le diet though lol

[pinkin2011]

No you havent missed anything from me, I will be having my attempt when d/h gets home from work .. 5hrs 3 mins and 34 seconds !!! nah, but it will be roughly when he gets home i am a bit nervous i hope i have done everything right

[pinkin2011]

I used about 1/4 of Rephresh yesterday at about 5pm will this hurt my attempt 24hrs later?

[amari]

Lot's of people o'ing now! Yay! Good luck everyone!

Suregena-I would love some of that food too!!

Katie-I often eat 1 cup (400 cal) worth of pasta for a meal w/ low fat butter and shakeable parmesan! Sometimes I add leeks too.

Lemon-I was small to start with before doing LE diet, so now I am really tiny. I am having trouble balancing the diet and not losing and not gaining. I keep losing and it is hard b/c I don't want to eat too much fat and be in boy zone just by virtue of gaining, but I can't afford to lose any weight. I have to add in cupcakes and lots of treats. Oh, yes I'm on clomid-why do you ask??

It is hard to keep up with this board now!

[KraizyDaizy]

Daizy! I think this is the month for crazy cycles!! It's a good thing you used rephresh last night. I don't use sp but it could have done it. Do you have a plan on when/how you will dtd? cut-off or through O?

I have really low hormone levels so I am going to DTD through O. I am hoping my hormone deficiencies will sway my girl on top of the RepHresh that I have been using.I just hope it's not too close to DTD killing off all the swimmers. I hope to start tonight after the boys go to bed.

[KraizyDaizy]

KraizyDaizy have you had your attempt yet?????

No not yet. The kids are about to go to bed and then it's game time!!!

[lemon2012]

Oh KD!!! GOOD LUCK SWEETIE!
The most common mistake..just relax and it will happen. But, maybe, just maybe you can try and then your girl will be here. That is what I am going to try!

Amari...how little are you? You see petite,...right down to your bones. Clomid already sways girl. How old are your boys?
My youngest loves pasta and parm cheese!! lol!

Tonight I had quinoa,,,it was good!

Pink...I think you are okay with the rephresh and you must have peed a lot out...lol!
GOOD LUCK in 4 hours 32 minutes and 6 seconds...or whatever....lol!
What does DH do to arrive home so late...maybe you are in a different time zone!

[KraizyDaizy]

KD....if the cbfm says peak you are ready to go! If you have a high it could still be days. If the two lines are somewhat dark you could be a few days out still...so go for it! Sometimes I thought I would o in 1-2 days and it was 4!My monitor has been HIGH for a few days, but today there is the 2nd line that is much darker than the other one. As far as the OPK not being +, here is my OPK, what do you think? +?1105

[pinkin2011]

He is a refrigeration Mechanic and Electrician he had to do a job today far away from home ( Trust it to be today of all days) its only 12.40pm here now, I tell you my day is taking forever!! I am not eating today until about 6pm and will have some plain pasta I am going to do this for a few days. I am so so so hungry!

[pinkin2011]

Kraizydaizy That is + for sure thats how mine is!