UK SMOG Wannabes - November (moved from PL)

[rainbowflower]

im hopnig to get pg in the next 2months as i dont want it to miss the that school year and be one of the oldest in its class! It seems like there in school for ages when they are

that's strange, I'd have preferred my child TO be the oldest in the class because the older ones in the class are shown to perform better in the educational environment as they have the advantage of being better at communication, and a more mature brain, etc. The youngest ones have a disadvantage... (not that that's stopping us TTC this month!)

[littlemisswilko]

that's strange, I'd have preferred my child TO be the oldest in the class because the older ones in the class are shown to perform better in the educational environment as they have the advantage of being better at communication, and a more mature brain, etc. The youngest ones have a disadvantage... (not that that's stopping us TTC this month!)

i disagree with that as i think it depends on the child. My ds1 was born in march so mid in the school year and the teacher always tells me he is a little treasure to teach and he is very advanced for his age (one of the top in his class) whereas i know some children in his class which are born in sept/oct and they are quite disruptive and boisterous. I think it all comes down to each individual child and has a lot to do with how there are brought up. The first couple of years of a child's life their brain is like a sponge and learn from there parents in how to behave etc. As you may agree every child is unique and even brothers and sisters behave and are very different from one another and this is all to do with how they are wired up. Take for example a 12 month old child. Some children at that age can already walk yet half of them can only take a few steps or not at all. This hasn't got anything to do with when they were born but has alot more to do with there brain development. I do agree with you that they do get a better opportunity to develop communicative skills if they are in school quite abit longer than normal. But there again this also comes down to whether they have already had interaction with children from an earlier age also.

[Lavenderlime]

that's strange, I'd have preferred my child TO be the oldest in the class because the older ones in the class are shown to perform better in the educational environment as they have the advantage of being better at communication, and a more mature brain, etc. The youngest ones have a disadvantage... (not that that's stopping us TTC this month!)

Me too rainbow my boys have a September and November Birthdays so will both be one of the eldest in their class.
I'm really happy with this especially them being boys! But I get what sunset means. DS1 still has another whole year at preschool so is in the same class for nearly two years! Where as some of his friends with summer birthdays have already started school.

But for this one i'd quite like them to have an August birthday as it means they'll be born in the summer holidays and I can get into some sort of routine before the 9 a.m starts as i'll have DS1 in school and DS2 by then will be in pre-school.

I'll add the list to the thread it's really useful having everything in one place epecially if you're a bit of newbie to swaying like me!

ELP congratulations on your little blue bump:celebrate:. Wow 8 kids that's amazing! I'm still trying get my head around having 3 one day:bigsmile:.
Thanks for all the info on diet. I had a very boy friendly diet as I lived of jacket poatoes, apples and bananas mainly. Then when TTC DS2, cereal, pasta, pizza, and veggie sausages and fruit. I was also very into breakfast.

So fingers crossed if I make the right changes it'll will work out and i'll get a dd!

[Lavenderlime]

Littlemisswilko the stats do support what Rainbow says a child born in August is not going to do as well as one born in September when they first start school because they are effectively a whole year younger, even though they have been placed in the same academic year so will automatically be at a disadavantage. But as kids get older it does tend to even out. Although saying that out of all my friends that I went to school with the brightest and most focused were the ones born between September and January! lol so who knows.

[love being a mummy]

My son is born in August but for us it's winter.
Our school year is Feb - Dec. But the cut off is July you have to be 5 or turn 5 before July that year so you can start. My son missed out on cut off by a week so had to start school the next year.
So other children born in the same year as him got to start but he had to wait, even though he is only 1-2 months older then some of them.

[rainbowflower]

oh, I'm not disputing that it also varies by the child as of course you will get some intelligent and some needing more help at all ages, but on the whole the statistics do show that the oldest in the year do better. A year makes a lot of difference when they are 4 years old!

I expect the amount of time the parents put in to help them at home or before school makes a difference too... ideally I'd like an autumn child next to give them the best start I can, but of course I wouldn't be disappointed if we had a summer baby it just means they might need more help to catch up. Then again, after my first pregnancy, I'd just be happy for another baby born at any time of year!

[Lavenderlime]

I agree there are pros and cons for babies being born at all times of the year.

I'd love a summer baby as it means days outside being able to go for walks without the fear of getting soaked.
Not having to wrap them up in so many layers. Being able to get out and about more with all the attractions open in the summer months. Having X-mas and Birthdays spaced out.

The only con's I can see is that being the youngest in your class which can be hard at the start and also being the last of their peers to be able to drive, drink etc as they get much older.

But for me this time the pros far outweigh the cons as I'd really like to experience having a baby in the summer for a change especially having older children to entertain!

[littlemisswilko]

The only con's I can see is that being the youngest in your class which can be hard at the start and also being the last of their peers to be able to drive, drink etc as they get much older.



lmao! that wouldnt have stopped me drinking when all my mates were! :)

[charlieispy]

Although I can see the difference between some children in the school year i personally think alot of it is down to the child and then their environment - ds1 is end of may but so one of the 'youngest' in ability when he started school VERY late speech and communication but now you couldnt tell and he is better than some of the older ones. ds2 is much older than ds1 seemed and there is only 2 months difference in their age. ds3 will be a baby but for me i am quite happy i wouldnt want to have to do preschool runs for nearly 2 years! Same with this beanie - infact i was going to aim for an august baby! Personally out of all 3 I have enjoyed ds3 pregnancy in the sense of the seasons I loved it being warm and having a bump rather than feeling like a lump covered in massive jumpers etc


Petal EEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee EDD is here well he cant wait too much longer then x i always take RLT tablets as i cant stand the tea and always had quick labours hope it works for you
Deaks - yay for temp rise

Littlemiss - come on O :D bless DH he is better than my DH for sure!!

[Lavenderlime]

lmao! that wouldnt have stopped me drinking when all my mates were! :)

Nor me nor anyone I bet! lol But it's when your a night out and you need ID to get in and 5 out of 6 people have it. That's no fun. Cos you don't want to leave your friend behind and and they don't want to feel like their ruining the night if you don't go in!

But of course the way around that is house parties! They were some of my best memories..... ''So who's got a free house this weekend?'' lol

[nuthinbutpink]

Here, where I live, the cutoff for school is September 1 and school starts mid August so you could start school before you turn the age for school which is crazy. I have an August baby and a May baby. The August Baby I chose to hold back and wait to start school the following year. She would have been 4 turning 5 when school started and because others choose to hold their summer birthdays back here, some kids would have been 6 starting the year when my kid was 4- that is a HUGE difference in maturity, height, etc. So now, she is not even the oldest but somewhere in the middle but certainly not the youngest child. She has had no issues, handles things that come at her well and is a confident kid.

Now my May baby- she is really smarter book-wise than her older sibling- she has a higher IQ. She is one of the youngest in her class because we chose to send her to school knowing that she was smart enough to handle school. I see a big difference in the homework that comes home, her handwriting, and to us, she is not as mature and you can just tell that there is a year difference and she will be one of the last kids to drive which scares me because I'd rather her be the one driving than have her in the passenger seat of some other new driver. It is scary thinking about that.

Also, sports. We do swim team. The cutoff for that is June 1, so for each age division, whatever age you are by June 1, that's the group you swim in. For our elder child, this works out fine- she is one of the older kids swimming in each age bracket each year- it gives her a slight advantage. Our May birthday is on the short end of the stick because she is swimming against kids that when she just turns 7 this May, she will have to swim against a child that might turn 9 in the Fall months and you can only imagine that kind of difference in maturity/athletics at this age.

There is a book written here about that very subject- athletics and kids' ages and how it affects them throughout their lives. Our May birthday just cannot compete with the older kids. She is not built that way. So, we have found other things that she can excel at and feel good about herself doing. It's not fun to finish last all the time!

I don't worry at all about intelligence and birth month. I think that is just part of your DNA.

[littlemisswilko]

yes we always enjoyed the house parties when the parents had gone out themselves. But even so my younger friends got fake id's which worked a treat! not that i would encourage my child to do this! but that was what it was like when i was up to no good!

[deaks66]

Indigo, im dying for you to test! hope this is your month! GL!

Petal, the only thing that got my boys on the move was pineapple. I ate a whole pineapple which got my back waters leaking with ds1 and then for ds2 i dranks and drank TONS of fresh pineapple juice which was much nicer and he came shortly after. Might be coincidence but might be worth a shot!

Ladies, im quite selfish in my thinking of birth months. Its nothing to do with how they will do at school as i really think this sorts itself out but moreso the fact that i would love to be able to throw summer birthday parties... ha ha!

[charlieispy]

Indigo - you have a will of steel TEST TEST :D fx for a lovely second line

on my cheapies i didnt get a line till after it was clear on my FRER but then it got darker quicker on my cheapies than FRER - weird huh!

[deaks66]

Indigo - you have a will of steel TEST TEST :D fx for a lovely second line

on my cheapies i didnt get a line till after it was clear on my FRER but then it got darker quicker on my cheapies than FRER - weird huh!

oh charlie, i dream of lines on frer's!! sooooooo desperate for a bfp its untrue! just spent the morning with my pg friend so lots of birth/baby talk makes me want it even more!

[littlemisswilko]

yes i agree with the girls and think you should test indigo!!! you are 10dpo so might see 2 nice dark lines!!!

Id never heard about pineapple juice helping to bring on labour!! hhhmmm i'll try to remember that one as i always seem to go over!!!

[littlemisswilko]

i feel exactly the same deaks! just really want a baby now! everyone seems to be pregnant!!! All i do is look at baby things (prams, clothes, bottles) which makes me worse! I want to buy things already and i arnt even pg and dont want to curse it!!!

[rainbowflower]

I'd love to be pregnant in the summer this time - bumps look so pretty in those lovely floaty dresses/tops... :)

I just threw up randomly a min ago, just like morning sickness but way too soon to be that even if I did ov already. SS is a nightmare isn't it?

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[deaks66]

Oh no rainbow! wander what caused that! BTW, what is SS??

[deaks66]

Can anyone remind me of how to get my ff ovulation link into my signature?

[littlemisswilko]

i was wondering what SS what too!! :)

Not sure about how to get the FF link in siggy as i tried to do it yesterday and it said it was too big or something!!

[deaks66]

oh, thats weird. I just did it although i don't know how to get the link to read 'my ovulation chart' but anyway, it will do! i went to account, password and email. is that what you did?

[littlemisswilko]

yayy tried to do it again and its worked! :)
altho mine does say my ovulation chart whereas your doesnt.

i logged in ff, went to sharing and clicked get code and copied and pasted bb code into signature

[deaks66]

Done it thanks!

[littlemisswilko]

yayy!!

[deaks66]

now how do you do that ticker???!

[littlemisswilko]

click on my ticker and it take you to the site where you make one and fill all your details in and copy and paste the bb code when you get to then end in your siggy! xx

[littlemisswilko]

you will need to click on the trying to concieve tab halfway down the list

[deaks66]

done! thanks for your help hun!

[deaks66]

Though what is that at the end of my ticker?... a bone?!

[Lavenderlime]

I've just been carving pumpkins with my boys, boy that was stressful ds2 was just trying to eat all the pumpkin mush. They're both obsessed with fruit and veg and will try anything raw even if it tastes bad. Then he was trying to hug one of our kittens with mushy hands, they enjoyed it so that's all that matters. So bored today, still waiting in for the tiles for the playhouse to be delivered, going a little stir crazy.

Just want to get out and about. Is it pouring where you are? It's sporadic here. So it looks kind of sunny then it starts to rain or hail!

Indigo please test! Sending you bfp vibes.

Littlemisswilko and Deaks when I wanted to add my siggy here I went to plumlily, to the edit siggy bit and copied and pasted ticker code etc. from there.

[Lavenderlime]

Lol is the ruler bit for a dogs age or something and you have your dog running to the bone??? lol

[charlieispy]

SS - symptom spotting :D

[charlieispy]

We have just begun our xmas cards! I get personalised ones each year.....last year i did just a photo of the boys - but i have dressed them up before, this year i am doing we 3 kings :D just decorared the crowns there is glitter EVERYWHERE

[rainbowflower]

SS = symptom spotting!

[deaks66]

love that charlie, brilliant! i also make cards though didn't manage last year. Not sure what to do for this year yet...

[charlieispy]

lavender - yay for pumpkins x yes it is stressful i went to a carving event yesterday thinking that the organisers would help - i mean i love doing it but thought the boys would have fun - got there they took the tops off for us gave us spoons etc and loads of designs to choose from ok cool.....draw on designs take to a person part of the event expecting them to carve it and they handed me a whack off massive knife! Brilliant 3 kids to keep an eye on plus about another 30-40 milling around and me shakey and faint and with a knife! STRESSED wasnt even close!!

[deaks66]

well done lavender and charlie for getting on with your pumpkins...its always a bit stressful but charlie that sounds more than i could cope with! Going to buy a pumpkin when we get on holiday to put outside our cottage and attempt to carve it like this..

http://wallpapershd.org/holidays/halloween/peppa-pig-pumpkin-halloween-hd-wallpaper/

[HopeandDreamG]

I can't keep up!! You are all so quick :) I think in part its the time difference... Does anyone know what the difference is from the UK to New York? anyone else from the US on here?
Bought a spell for twin girls something I would never have EVER done before LOL... I figured it can't hurt! I don't think I would ever be able to get dh to agree to a 4th... he's on board for the 3rd so this may be my last shot at a dh and making the family larger! Would love to join you-Inglewood- and get preggo with twins!!!

[HopeandDreamG]

I mean a last shot at having a dd

[deaks66]

That would be brilliant wouldn't it H&D! think my dh would leave the country...he is soooo dead against a 4th! GL, hope the spell works :)

[Lavenderlime]

Deaks that's amazing! ours turned out a little rubbish I needed a thinner blade on the knife really. But the boys like them. Next year might try a witch on a broomstick or something more creative.

Charlie I love doing crafts I try and always make Thank You cards with the boys but we've never made Xmas cards before together. DS2 would really enjoy it. Anything involving glue and sticking! The pumkin event sounds like a fun idea for the kids but much easier for those that only had one child to contend with. Everything seems to get more stressful as the numbers go up!

HopeandDream I got a girl spell contimplated the twin one.... but not sure how i'd cope with four i'm a little worried about the thought of three as it is. Twins are lovely and so special though FX it works for you!

[charlieispy]

my DH would leave if i had twins they FREAK him out i kid you not!! I didnt get a spell although i asked my nan and great auntie to send me a daughter if it was my fate! I forgot to add i wore anion pads throughout my attempt

[deaks66]

Charlie, i asked my grandpa to send me a daughter...lets hope they are listening up there :)

[charlieispy]

FX hun x x

[Petal]

Wow, 5 pages since my last post this morning!! lol.

Ive got some raspberry t-bags, but i dont think they are the right ones, got them from morrisons but they have strawberry and cranberry mixed with them :-/ Also got a whole pineapple :-))

I need to help the boys with their pumpkins tomorrow...ohh the mess :-( lol.

[zanacal]

Wow Petal, I can't believe you're due already! Good luck, hope it all goes smoothly :D FWIW, I think you need to do the thing you did to get you pregnant in the first place to bring baby on!

[rainbowflower]

Wow, 5 pages since my last post this morning!! lol.

Ive got some raspberry t-bags, but i dont think they are the right ones, got them from morrisons but they have strawberry and cranberry mixed with them :-/ Also got a whole pineapple :-))

I need to help the boys with their pumpkins tomorrow...ohh the mess :-( lol.
are they raspberry LEAF tea? Holland and Barratt sell that btw, although they don't induce labour

[charlieispy]

yes needs to be the raspberry leaf - it strengthens the womb

[HopeandDreamG]

That would be brilliant wouldn't it H&D! think my dh would leave the country...he is soooo dead against a 4th! GL, hope the spell works :)

LOL.. i think thats the only way I'll have 4 if I can have twins!! My great grandmother had twins maybe I have a chance!! Truly, if I get one DD you'll hear me screaming of JOY all the way from the US!

[HopeandDreamG]

charlie_ do you wera anion pads after AF or during?? and no wonder DH would freak you already have 3 with the 4th on the way!!

[Lavenderlime]

H&D I think we're 5 hours ahead of you it's just gone 5pm here. Time to make the boys dinner!

Roof tiles have arrived so a day out tomorrow Yay!

[littlemisswilko]

Charlie, i asked my grandpa to send me a daughter...lets hope they are listening up there :)

i too have asked my grandparents whom i never got to meet as my grandma died before i was born and my grandad died when my mum was pg with me. But i always seek guidance from them iykwim. I had gone to a fortune teller before and she said i have old people watching over me and most of the things she said was right. She did tell my DP that he was going to have a son who would become a professional football player or boxer! we shall wait and see lol.

[littlemisswilko]

charlie_ do you wera anion pads after AF or during?? and no wonder DH would freak you already have 3 with the 4th on the way!!

i have the anion pads too and i have the day pads which you wear during af as normal sanitary pads and add a few lavender drops to them and then throughout my cycle a few days after O i wear the pantyliners (30 pack) i also add a few lavender oil drops to these too..You can buy the night pads but i never bothered!

[charlieispy]

I just wore the pantyliners during the day and night around O

[Petal]

Ah ive brought the wrong ones then lol, good job really coz they are bloody disgusting!!! ive still got a pineapple to munch tonight, ive tried walking and lots of bd-ing but nothing!!! Oh well, whats another few days....

[littlemisswilko]

awww its so exciting but not very long to go now for you petal!! Its so annoying when they come late!! my boys came late too. ds1 was 14 days overdue and ds2 was 5 days!!

[deaks66]

Ah ive brought the wrong ones then lol, good job really coz they are bloody disgusting!!! ive still got a pineapple to munch tonight, ive tried walking and lots of bd-ing but nothing!!! Oh well, whats another few days....

I'm afraid that raspberry leaf aren't any tastier!

Lavender, glad ur tiles arrived and you aren't housebound tomorrow.

[Sunset]

Hi ladies! Just a quick update to let you all know that we're currently staying in my grandads "granny flat" and unfortunately
there is no wireless here since my precious grandad is scared of anything that's to do with technology. I am keeping up on all your posts through
my mobile internet, but I won't be able to post much while I'm here.

Maybebaby congrats on your healthy and very precious baby boy! I think it's lovely that you've chose a name and bought him a few outfits :) I can't wait to look at your attached images on this thread when I get back to England

Deaks good luck in the 2ww!! Sending you tons of babydust! I'm thinking of you and keeping my fx that this month brings you your bfp! :)

Babymad I haven't actually given my leg hair much thought, but when I do think about it I haven't had to shave them as much this pregnancy :p

A big hello to all you other smog ladies! :) good luck to those attempting and babydust to those in the 2ww :)

[HopeandDreamG]

i have the anion pads too and i have the day pads which you wear during af as normal sanitary pads and add a few lavender drops to them and then throughout my cycle a few days after O i wear the pantyliners (30 pack) i also add a few lavender oil drops to these too..You can buy the night pads but i never bothered!


I ordered the anion pads just haven't used them yet. will next cycle..i like the lavender oil idea!

[littlemisswilko]

Glad you have sorted the sleeping arrangements out sunset and hope your Dp is fine now and you both start to enjoy your little getaway. Shame about the internet as if your like me, feel lost without it!

[littlemisswilko]

I ordered the anion pads just haven't used them yet. will next cycle..i like the lavender oil idea!

yeh if you add a few lavender drops to the anion strip just help lower testosterone and have you got your self a magnetic sensa pad?

[littlemisswilko]

this is what im onabout http://www.amazon.co.uk/Norstar-BioMagnetics-NS210-Magnet-Therapy/dp/B000NI0RZC

but for a cheaper one which is exactly the same go to

http://www.healing-health.co.uk/magnetic-period-pain-pad-23-p.asp

I wear this all the time throughout my cycle

[littlemisswilko]

i ordered all my crystals yesturday to create neg ions was only £12 odd for everything i wanted including deliverey so a bargain i thought.. instead of buying single crystals i bought chip bracelets with nuggets!

[cocos-mum]

trust my netbook to break now i have a busy tread to watch. so now i have to share pc with dh.

little miss wilko: thanks for the welcome hun. i have 2 sept children hun and both seem to have had a advantage of being oldest in their years. alittle older at school and found it easier to learn.

lavenderlime: i never thought about things like not having to wrap them up so much when they are little makes summer more appealing. dh wants to wait till nov/dec next year to ttc so we have another autumn/ winter baby. i can use this in my case for may start.

i think you need to eat alot of pineapple to bring on labour think its something like 2-3 pineapples. sorry

hopeanddream: oww twin girls that would be lovely i wouldn't even mind one of each. we can only have one more cause of csections to. what do you have to do for the spell is it a candle one?

[maybebabythree]

Petal - can't belive your due now! How are you feeling?

I am still quite sad today - I can't belive how I feel really. I thought I would be ok, but I'm not really. Seems unfair but thats life I guess.

I hope I feel better soon :¬(

[chocolate]

Hey everyone, I found you all ha ha!
Havent been on PL for a week and was so shocked to see its closing, but so glad I popped on today to catch the moving post.
Am so behind with whats happening, will have to make sure I pop on daily now.

Im still holding out to ttc from March time, then I thought leave it till the year after, but after charting this month my suspicions of a short lp is confirmed - 9 days. Although I suspect I ovulated 2 days later than ff said so could be 6! So going to chart for 2 months and then go to the drs before ttc as do not want to risk another mc. So if I need treatment, Im not sure I can do all the sways - might not feel right as they may only give me limited time to try things so should ttc as best as I can, hard one! Bloody PCOS I thought it wouldnt be that easy. Just lucky my 2nd child managed to stick with no problems! With DS1 I had a hcg shot and progesterone shot.

Hope your all well, any recent bfp's?

[littlemisswilko]

hopeanddream: oww twin girls that would be lovely i wouldn't even mind one of each. we can only have one more cause of csections to. what do you have to do for the spell is it a candle one?

just curious, im presuming you have had 2 children? and both they were sections??? have you been advised by a doctor that you can only have 1 more child. If i do get pg then i will most likely have to have a section after having 2 already but i have never been advised or told how many sections a person can have

[littlemisswilko]

Petal - can't belive your due now! How are you feeling?

I am still quite sad today - I can't belive how I feel really. I thought I would be ok, but I'm not really. Seems unfair but thats life I guess.

I hope I feel better soon :¬(

((hugs)) i honestly dont know what to say to make you feel better. your little boy chose you to be his mummy and fought the odds to get you!! i hope the next 20 weeks get easier and your able to bond with little dave xxxx

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Big hugs maybe xxx

Petal wow can't believe its your due date, can't wait to meet your little one you will post a pic wont you seems a world away from our posts on ig !!

[littlemisswilko]

Hey everyone, I found you all ha ha!
Havent been on PL for a week and was so shocked to see its closing, but so glad I popped on today to catch the moving post.
Am so behind with whats happening, will have to make sure I pop on daily now.

Im still holding out to ttc from March time, then I thought leave it till the year after, but after charting this month my suspicions of a short lp is confirmed - 9 days. Although I suspect I ovulated 2 days later than ff said so could be 6! So going to chart for 2 months and then go to the drs before ttc as do not want to risk another mc. So if I need treatment, Im not sure I can do all the sways - might not feel right as they may only give me limited time to try things so should ttc as best as I can, hard one! Bloody PCOS I thought it wouldnt be that easy. Just lucky my 2nd child managed to stick with no problems! With DS1 I had a hcg shot and progesterone shot.

Hope your all well, any recent bfp's?

yayy chocolate, glad you found us!!! we were wondering where you had got to.
charlieispy recently got a BFP and deaks attempted the other night. so we have all got our FX for her. Mabeybaby has been blessed with a healthy little boy, she found out yesturday! :) and My attempt is a few days away!! Indigo is 10dpo so were bugging her to test very soon!! Got a few more newbies to the thread also!!!

have you tried b6 to try and lengthen lp? hope things work themselves out. got my fx for you xxx

[maybebabythree]

Poor Dave, it's not him, it's my lost chance of my girlie! I was toying with Pgd but it's the thought of 4 kids!! Never, ever have I wanted 4 kids!!! I have a three bed semi and little chance of moving as its a expensive area and we don't own this house so extending it is a no-goer. Plus I like my holidays. I couldn't go abroad with four kids every year.

[chocolate]

yayy chocolate, glad you found us!!! we were wondering where you had got to.
charlieispy recently got a BFP and deaks attempted the other night. so we have all got our FX for her. Mabeybaby has been blessed with a healthy little boy, she found out yesturday! :) and My attempt is a few days away!! Indigo is 10dpo so were bugging her to test very soon!! Got a few more newbies to the thread also!!!

have you tried b6 to try and lengthen lp? hope things work themselves out. got my fx for you xxx

Thanks for the update, hope for some more good news soon then!

Maybeybaby - I understand your post now, Ill just ramble and hope I dont offend or say something that doesnt make sense: justgive yourself some time, let yourself feel however you feel and do not feel guilty for it, I had days in pregnancy with DS2 where I would just think 'bloody typical' and just not know why as I really thought I would not feel dissapointed, think hormones dont help - I felt down and just wanted to pin it onto something! Looking at DS2 now, I would happily have another 2 of him, no dissapointment when I look at him at all, wouldnt swap him for the world. Will be swaying for a girl, and who knows,may feel some sadness if I find out its a boy again - but not about the baby, more about the lack of pink in the house, but I know once that little person is here Id be smitten, sure you will be too.


LittlemissW, no I havent tried any supps as still bfeeding and not trying till March so will chart for a few months and see whats happening before asking the drs what route to take, just do not want to risk a miscarriage again, never thought it would happen to me even with all the percentages not in my favour, and was a bit shock when it did happen, do not want a repeat of that so if I can hold off ttc till they sort my lp for the best chances then so be it.

[chocolate]

Poor Dave, it's not him, it's my lost chance of my girlie! I was toying with Pgd but it's the thought of 4 kids!! Never, ever have I wanted 4 kids!!! I have a three bed semi and little chance of moving as its a expensive area and we don't own this house so extending it is a no-goer. Plus I like my holidays. I couldn't go abroad with four kids every year.



Thats exactly how I see it ' not the baby, the chance of a girl'.............. thats how I felt with DS2. At least you realise that though, 3 to 4 isnt a big jump apparantly lol, app. 2 to 3 is worse lol

[littlemisswilko]

Poor Dave, it's not him, it's my lost chance of my girlie! I was toying with Pgd but it's the thought of 4 kids!! Never, ever have I wanted 4 kids!!! I have a three bed semi and little chance of moving as its a expensive area and we don't own this house so extending it is a no-goer. Plus I like my holidays. I couldn't go abroad with four kids every year.

That is the only downside to having a large familys as holidays abroad become very expensive. As a family we havent been abroad but enjoy lots of caravaning holidays in the summer as its quite cheap and the boys love it. For me if baby #3 was a boy then i know i would definately consider pgd as i dont think i could let go of my dream!

[maybebabythree]

Chocolate - I am sure your right. I wasn't fussed about the sex of ds1 or ds2 so hopefully this will pass. I think I just want a bloody good cry and get over it. However work is so busy and I had to go in today after only finding out yesterday. Maybe if I still feel poop after the weekend I will phone in sick. I soooo wanted this baby - still want this baby. I just want to be happy again. I know other people with three or two of one sex and they are happy, some wasn't at the time but they got over it. I just need to get over it now, today!!

[charlieispy]

Petal - can't belive your due now! How are you feeling?

I am still quite sad today - I can't belive how I feel really. I thought I would be ok, but I'm not really. Seems unfair but thats life I guess.

I hope I feel better soon :¬(

Maybe - this is exactly what happened to me - had the scan was fine went out brought a few bits saw my BF told her etc etc......that night I started crying and without being OTT i pretty much cried for 3 days AND nights....lying in bed sobbing my poor DH didnt know what to do. It was a mixture of mourning for a daughter I thought I would never have AND the awful guilt i felt for feeling so disappointed. DS3 was my first pregnancy that wasnt high risk and I was still devestated that he was a he. And like you say its not the babies fault so you beat yourself up for feeling upset. What I am trying to say is that it will get better it will I promise and oh my how I wouldnt swap my ds3 for a girl no way never even if he was my only chance for a girl I love him so much he melts my heart. I am so glad i found out though - i mourned i wailed and i shouted it wasnt fair (and i mean pretty much lost the plot for a while) but after doing all that I never felt any disappointment with his birth or his arrival he was a he and a beautiful he. I was going to keep his sex a secret but the constant questioning the oh i beat its a girl really stung and cut deep so I ended up telling most people to shut them up! Anyway I hope my ramble makes you feel not so guilty for feeling the way you do and give you hope that it will pass x Trust me when I find out this bean is a boy I will shed more tears but I know it will pass and I feel more at ease this time as either way no more babies after the bean x FX all going well x

For me the one of the worst things is the pity you get from people who cant think before they speak....idiots

anyway been thinking of you x x much love x

[maybebabythree]

Yep - with the comments - my first was from the sonographer!!!

[HopeandDreamG]

yeh if you add a few lavender drops to the anion strip just help lower testosterone and have you got your self a magnetic sensa pad?

What is that?

[HopeandDreamG]

Never mind just saw your post below it. I'll check it out! Thanks

[maybepink3]

Oh Maybe, just seen your post and completely understand how you feel. Don't feel guilty for feeling this way, it's very natural. It will take you some time to get your head around it but by the time Dave is here, those feelings will have subsided and you'll have a beautiful baby boy to hold in your arms again. Big hugs xx

[maybepink3]

Deaks, yay for the attempt. Hope the 2ww goes quickly.
Indigo - are you going to test tomorrow?
Charlie - can't believe your wait for your doc's appt!!! Unbelievable. I haven't been yet and probably won't til week after next. Last time I went at 6 weeks the doctor didn't even want to book me in that early! Going to see another doctor at the practice this time. How are you feeling? I've been ok but just started to feel a bit icky this afternoon and tiredness kicking in now!
Petal, good luck. Have you tried a hot curry??!!
Hi to everyone else & welcome Coco xxx

[deaks66]

Oh maybe, I can't really add anything that the other ladies haven't already said except that I like Charlie really suffered after finding out with ds2. I also cried for about 3 solid days and nights but then by the time the birth came round I was soooo excited. When he was born I wasn't overwhelmed with love immediately (though I put that down to the pethedine not the gender!) but oh my god, about two days later, my heart more than made up for it and I haven't stopped looking at him totally besotted ever since!! it will get easier, but you need to let yourself have a good cry. X

[deaks66]

Chocolate, you should definately consider b6 for a short lp. From what I have found out, take vitex af to ov and then b6 ov to af.

Indigo...pleeeeeease test soon!

Anyone know if onemore has found us?

[HopeandDreamG]

[QUOTE=littlemisswilko;92392]this is what im onabout http://www.amazon.co.uk/Norstar-BioMagnetics-NS210-Magnet-Therapy/dp/B000NI0RZC

but for a cheaper one which is exactly the same go to

http://www.healing-health.co.uk/magnetic-period-pain-pad-23-p.asp

I got this one: The one that is super strength. The only problem is its only one- didn't realize that when I ordered, so I attach it to my underwear-daily! I was actually wondering if I should order another- one for over each ovary instead of centered. Its pretty strong..my kitchen appliances are stainless steel very often i get attached to them-to the car too!!! LOL
http://www.biomagscience.net/magnet-therapy/super-regular-and-power-wafer-biomagnets

[cocos-mum]

just curious, im presuming you have had 2 children? and both they were sections??? have you been advised by a doctor that you can only have 1 more child. If i do get pg then i will most likely have to have a section after having 2 already but i have never been advised or told how many sections a person can have

i'm sure i read somewhere they only like you to have 3 sections they did actually tell me after my second that it wasn't wise to have another. i will go on a hunt to see what i can find out

[cocos-mum]

ok i'm back i don't know where i heard it but my research seems to show you can have as many as you like but they only reccommend 3 cause the more you have the more chances of probs.
also if you have had one csection you can then have a vb but you can request another csection if you want.
i have to have csections because i have a unsually shape utherus and each side works against each other and also babies get stuck if they lie wrong way my son got stuck in c/s.

[HopeandDreamG]

may start.

hopeanddream: oww twin girls that would be lovely i wouldn't even mind one of each. we can only have one more cause of csections to. what do you have to do for the spell is it a candle one?


Don't know yet..she was casting last night then sends me instructions. I'll keep you posted. Actually, now that you mention it this may be my last too bc of C-sections. Yikes. I really want a DD....

[cocos-mum]

good luck hun
is it one with a money back offer? how much was it?

[HopeandDreamG]

just curious, im presuming you have had 2 children? and both they were sections??? have you been advised by a doctor that you can only have 1 more child. If i do get pg then i will most likely have to have a section after having 2 already but i have never been advised or told how many sections a person can have

I have been told you are limited- 3 is OK 4 is pushing it... I think its because your cervix shortens.. scar tissue etc. everyone is different but I think thats the general consensus

[HopeandDreamG]

Cocos- yes money back if you want. It was like $16... just kinda did it for fun! GL to you too!!

[DoulaMama]

I have been told you are limited- 3 is OK 4 is pushing it... I think its because your cervix shortens.. scar tissue etc. everyone is different but I think thats the general consensus

Crashing.....there are many women out there that have had VBAC's after 3...even 4 sections:) The rupture rate doesn't increase that much from 1 to 2 previous sections. As long as syntocin isn't used to augment the labour and preferably no epi is used(as you can feel if there is any separation whereas when you are numb it's very hard for the woman to know) it's very safe in comparison to another section:) Sorry if you know this info already! I'm a doula and like to spread birth info:)! xo

[pinga]

hello all

lots of chatter again :D.... I'm trying to keep up!

Hang in there Maybe - I'm sure you'll feel brighter soon...

lovebeingamummy - where in Australia are you? I'm in Melbourne.
The school cut off age has changed to April now. (I'm a primary school teacher here... although only doing emergency at the mo) I kind of prefer the system here as there is a little room for manouver. In the UK it is the 31 August cutoff and then 1 Sept you are in the next school year. Here in Aus you get a few months flexibility and you can decide to start them early or late. I've looked into it as I'm not sure where we will be putting our boys into school. Although DS2s birthday is 31st August! I am not saying he woúldn't be fine as the youngest in the year... I just wish I had some choice to say... I think he would benefit from an extra year before starting school. In some European countries they don't start til 6...

Anyways... I just saw my bestfriends new baby girl for a little cuddle... she was wearing one of those little pink terry towelling all-in-ones and it really affected me... made me feel a little sad with longing...

Went to my docs this morning to check in and was hoping to get an early scan but he wouldn't do one. I've had one with my other 2 pregnancies so I'm a bit annoyed. I really like getting an early scan. He's just ordered the million and one blood tests. :D Feels like time has slooooooowed down.

Deaks - hope you caught that little egg!! Hopefully the 2ww goes quickly.

[rainbowflower]

chocolate - (nice name btw!) I've got a luteal phase defect too. The defect itself can't cause MCs (not ones that you would be able to detect anyway because it wouldn't have implanted for long enough to get a BFP). If you had a MC, chances are it was down to a genetic cause, something that went wrong during conception... which is sadly very common.
I'm BF as well, my DS is 10 months, but I'm taking vit B6 to increase my LP. It's gone from 3 days (yes, really!) to 8 days last cycle. I'm hoping for a long enough LP this cycle to conceive. Vit B6 is perfectly safe when BF as long as you don't take it in ridiculous doses that would be harmful for you.

[deaks66]

Morning ladies, how are you all today? I've got to start packing for our holiday to Cornwall on Saturday and get paint and stuff ready for my dad who's coming to decorate some of our house while we are away! At least being away should make the 2ww go a little quicker! Don't have that pregnancy feeling like others have had but at least I have mastered o+12..... took 6 months!!!

Maybe, hope each day gets a little easier for you Hun x

[deaks66]

Pinga, those early weeks before you have scans or at least a chance to listen to the heartbeat always drag so bad don't they! Keep yourself busy Hun! X

[chocolate]

Rainbowflower - I thought I read somewhere about the lack of progesterone could cause a miscarriage up til the placenta takes over - but could be wrong, will look for the link later and post it, had some good info. About the lp defect. Hope the B6 works for you, I'm going to chat to a friend who is a gp later about what they would do if I can't lengthen it myself. Don't know if they would suggest clomid or progesterone - I think they would say ttc and see what happens, but I don't really want to do that if it could end in another miscarriage. However yes mine could have been dna, it felt odd from the word go, migraines etc. But sadly it took 12 long weeks to end! Deaks - have a fab holliday!

[chocolate]

Pinga, I think I will feel the same when my brother has his 2nd girl ( poor guy really wanted a boy - they had a scan at drs at 17 weeks and they were told boy, then the 20 week scan and told girl! I had my suspicions as they could only see 2 lumps between the legs from behind, but gp said he saw something from the top view, so that didn't ring right in my ears as my boys were obvious from behind!)

[charlieispy]

For those BF and with short LP it could be down to you BF - I know when my cycle returned after having ds1 it was annovulatory then once i starting Oing my LP was only 10 it gradually increased naturally - worth trying b6 though x I have PCOS too but didnt know until i tried for ds2 (ds1 BIG surprised no AFs as i was ill then a random BFP!!) I have only had my PPAF and 1AF since ds3 and then got pregnant! I take pills to start AF then clomid to shock my ovaries to work!

[charlieispy]

Anyways... I just saw my bestfriends new baby girl for a little cuddle... she was wearing one of those little pink terry towelling all-in-ones and it really affected me... made me feel a little sad with longing...

Went to my docs this morning to check in and was hoping to get an early scan but he wouldn't do one. I've had one with my other 2 pregnancies so I'm a bit annoyed. I really like getting an early scan. He's just ordered the million and one blood tests. :D Feels like time has slooooooowed down.

Pinga - huge hugs for the sad longing x it aches doesnt it but FX FX FX you have your own pink bundle brewing in there x

Am totally with you on time going sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooow. Am wishing the weeks away I just want to get to past 10wks with a healthy scan and be able to allow myself to be excited properly without being scared that i will jinx myself.

I hope we all have healthy pink beanies growing x x

[rainbowflower]

once there is a pregnancy the corpus luteum continues to exist and continues to produce the progesterone which will sustain a pregnancy. A LP defect is not about the level of progesterone that is reached, it's about how long it lasts for.

The LP defect is caused when the corpus luteum dies before a pregnancy is established so hormone levels drop because of that... meaning anything that has JUST implanted when the corpus luteum dies won't have time to establish before the progesterone goes away and the lining is shed

[charlieispy]

Indigo - test girl test :D

deaks - FX for you hun x

littlemiss - how are the opks going??

[charlieispy]

dekas - enjoy cornwall - perfect 2ww break go and relax....take a hot water bottle or heat pad and have a glass or 2 of vino...seemed to work for me -supposidly only red wine helps!

[rainbowflower]

For those BF and with short LP it could be down to you BF - I know when my cycle returned after having ds1 it was annovulatory then once i starting Oing my LP was only 10 it gradually increased naturally - worth trying b6 though x I have PCOS too but didnt know until i tried for ds2 (ds1 BIG surprised no AFs as i was ill then a random BFP!!) I have only had my PPAF and 1AF since ds3 and then got pregnant! I take pills to start AF then clomid to shock my ovaries to work!

yeah this is the cause of it for me, I'm still BF 3-5 times per day but vit B6 has seemed to work for me in the last few months

congratulations on conceiving so quickly this time - that must be much less stressful!

[charlieispy]

to be honest i am still in shock - seriously in all the groups i have been in i have always been last or one of the last. I suppose that adds to my worrying about this pregnancy as for me it es easy to get....silly i know but!

[Sunset]

Omg ladies!! I have just read through 5 pages just since last night!! Thank god for mobile internet as I dread to think how many pages I would have to read through if I couldn't get online at all for 2 weeks.

Littlemisswilko ~ I'm definitely like you! I don't function without internet and FB.. Sounds sad perhaps, but it's scary how much I've come to rely on it in my everyday life. Good luck with your attempt this month :)

Cocos-mum ~ welcome! :)

Maybebaby ~ ((hugs)) I don't know what to say hun to make you feel better.. You have just lost a dream and you need time to mourn! Don't be too hard on yourself, what you feel is only normal! And I agree with you 100% it is NOT fair! I wish everyone could get their DG!

Chocolate ~lovely to see you found us alright! :) and it's great you that you've found out about your short LP now so that you can fix it before you start TTC.

Petal ~i keep stalking your FB everyday for baby news! :p can't believe you are going to have your baby boy anyday now :D

Pinga ~how is the pregnancy treating you? I know what you mean, I too like to have an early scan for reassurance. I paid privately for one this time when I was 7 weeks.

Deaks ~ enjoy your holiday this weekend :)


Hello to everyone else! :)

[ELP]

Maybebaby3, I just wanted to say congratulations on your little man:HH: We are due around the same time I think? I'm the 16th of March with a little boy to be called 'Dave':bigsmile: We can see who gets their's 1st! Big Dave and little Dave:bigsmile: xxx

[charlieispy]

just been stalking your chart indigo it looks great

[Wishing4Pink]

You ladies have certainly been busy chatting! :) I'm still shattered from going to legoland yesterday for ds2 birthday, my feet ache so much still, lol.

Have a fab holiday deaks, will certainly help with the 2ww.

Got my fingers crossed for you indigo

I hope the weeks go by quickly for those of you waiting for your scans, so excited to see those scan pics.

Even tho i'm waiting till next year now to ttc, i'm trying learn differences with my cervix. Any tips would be very welcome

x

[cocos-mum]

morning all.
i'm at work from 12till 9.30 tonight so i'm gonna have alot to catch up on later.
wishing 4 pink i'm waiting till next may to try too. its driving me mad waiting trying to keep myself busy doing research and i could do with losing some weight before we start but i can't get my head round it no matter how much i try chocolate calls me.

[charlieispy]

wishing - just start checking it regularly you will learn what is soft/firm high/low it will change a little throughout the day but when mine is round O i cant reach it x also learn to check your cm

[littlemisswilko]

Indigo - test girl test :D

deaks - FX for you hun x

littlemiss - how are the opks going??

Morning girls!!!

opks arnt getting much darker yet and no :) as of yet!!!

[littlemisswilko]

deaks hope you enjoy your getaway to cornawall. at least it will take your mind off the 2ww

petal - due date today! got my fingers crossed for you and will be thinking of you loads! You have to post pics of him asap!!!

[deaks66]

Wishing - i have only just got the hang of my cervix this cycle and last cycle! I noticed last cycle that during ov it went extremely high and so soft it was really squidgey. This cycle it went the same softness again but i didn't notice it going as high. Height is tricky though and it could be that it went high and back in-between my checks or perhaps it just didn't go as high. TMI, but I have noticed and also read that your cervix can be prevented from going high if your bowel is quite full!! anyway it just shows that height is much more unreliable that texture/firmness! With mine if i am unsure if its soft then it probably isn't as when it is soft it feels very different! HTH's!

[deaks66]

Petal - thinking of you today, hope little man doesn't keep you waiting too long!

[pinga]

I'm trying to read everyones posts... but its 9.30pm and my eyes are blurring.... I'm SOOoooooooo tired! Am starting to notice how tired I'm feeling. Also I ate a piece of cheese today... shortly after I was standing there doing the washing up and I thought... OMG... I feel decidedly queasy!! Kind of makes me a tiny bit happy... am I mad? :D

Anyways - hope you are all good. you'll have to forgive me... I'm going to bed.... 9.30 and I'm passing out...

[rainbowflower]

to be honest i am still in shock - seriously in all the groups i have been in i have always been last or one of the last. I suppose that adds to my worrying about this pregnancy as for me it es easy to get....silly i know but!

noo don't worry, enjoy it! it's obviously meant to be :)

[rainbowflower]

would you say this test is a pos OPK? (both using the same pee, although I'd been holding it in literally all morning

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7496/cimg9716.jpg

[deaks66]

would you say this test is a pos OPK? (both using the same pee, although I'd been holding it in literally all morning

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7496/cimg9716.jpg

Personally i would say that they are very nearly positive but not quite. Could you get hold of a smiley digi to check?

[Petal]

Hi girls, thanks for all your messages :-) no sign of anything yet! yes, will defo post pics when i figure out how to do it, took me 7 months to sort out my ticker!!! LOL.

Maybe, i TOTALLY understand how you feel :-( when i found out ds3 was a boy at 16 weeks i was absoloutly devestated as you all probably remember, i felt cheated and wish i hadnt of bothered trying for a 3rd. The hardest thing by a million miles is the comments by others, i sometimes wish i had been open about the sex but whats done is done, im glad i know he's a boy, i dont think i could deal with the emotions at birth. I suggest you get some really good come back replies ready so you make the people saying stupid things feel bad and not you! Ive had quite a lot of hurtful things said to me and i wish i had the balls to snap back at them.
Anyway, my little boy is due today and i promise promise promise you that by the time your liitle man is due you will have no sadness at all, im soo suprised in myself at how different i feel from 20 weeks ago, even if i could change him into a girl right now, i wouldnt, i want my boy more than anything, if people want to feel sorry for me then let them, i feel sorry for them for being such idiots!!!!

As soon as i found out he was a boy i also started thinking and looking into PGD, i think this was my way of healing my sadness, ive had contact with some clinics in cyprus but im not so desperate to have a girl as i was 20 weeks ago, time is a great healer and if we ever choose to go down the pgd route it will be when the time is right, i did want to go next year but now im not so bothered, if it happens it happens.
Sorry to ramble on, just want to let you know im here for you and i feel you are living my life 20 weeks ago, it may not seem like it now but you WILL feel better soon.
Lots of hugs to you maybe x x x x

[rainbowflower]

Personally i would say that they are very nearly positive but not quite. Could you get hold of a smiley digi to check?
I really can't afford one at the moment... I'm using a CBFM and that's not picked up a peak (but I've had other cycles where it missed it too yet temps showed I did still OV)

the Tesco one does seem that the test line (on the left) is darker than the control on the right but I agree the IC is neg. Then again, ICs aren't the most reliable and I've only ever had a true pos on one a couple of times?

[deaks66]

I really can't afford one at the moment... I'm using a CBFM and that's not picked up a peak (but I've had other cycles where it missed it too yet temps showed I did still OV)

the Tesco one does seem that the test line (on the left) is darker than the control on the right but I agree the IC is neg. Then again, ICs aren't the most reliable and I've only ever had a true pos on one a couple of times?

ok, well if i were you i would consider that a positive (especially if the line on the left of the tesco is the test line) and just keep testing every 4 hours (and don't drink too much). If it goes darker still then great, if it doesn't then you will know that was your positive. Are you attempting and if so, which timing method? i had to quit with the cutoffs as i just couldn't predict a fade in accurately. o+12 actually seems much easier!

[deaks66]

Petal, it was lovely to read your message just then and hear how happy and excited you sound! Its exactly how i felt when ds2 was due to be born! Drink fresh pineapple juice and lots of it!!!

[rainbowflower]

ok, well if i were you i would consider that a positive (especially if the line on the left of the tesco is the test line) and just keep testing every 4 hours (and don't drink too much). If it goes darker still then great, if it doesn't then you will know that was your positive. Are you attempting and if so, which timing method? i had to quit with the cutoffs as i just couldn't predict a fade in accurately. o+12 actually seems much easier!
I think I'll try that

I had a def positive with an IC two days ago so no idea what my body is doing, I wouldn't be able to do a cutoff either if I wanted to... although studies like this have made me decide to focus getting pregnant and not on timing:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199512073332301 (especially fig 4)
might try for O+12, though, as that fits in with a different study I read that suggests DTD when Oestrogen isn't the dominant hormone (i.e. very early in cycle, during LH surge, and after OV) so that would take us to early hours of the morning I think

we BDed yesterday morning, and also in the morning 2 days before that releasing and discarding 8-10hrs before each attempt to lower sperm count (as per this study: http://www.reproduction-online.org/content/71/1/135.full.pdf+html )

here's my chart BTW: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/296ced



has anyone watched "The great Sperm Race"? That show makes me wonder how any of us pink swayers can get pregnant!!

[deaks66]

I think I'll try that

I had a def positive with an IC two days ago so no idea what my body is doing, I wouldn't be able to do a cutoff either if I wanted to... although studies like this have made me decide to focus getting pregnant and not on timing:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199512073332301 (especially fig 4)
might try for O+12, though, as that fits in with a different study I read that suggests DTD when Oestrogen isn't the dominant hormone (i.e. very early in cycle, during LH surge, and after OV) so that would take us to early hours of the morning I think

we BDed yesterday morning, and also in the morning 2 days before that releasing and discarding 8-10hrs before each attempt to lower sperm count (as per this study: http://www.reproduction-online.org/content/71/1/135.full.pdf+html )

here's my chart BTW: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/296ced



has anyone watched "The great Sperm Race"? That show makes me wonder how any of us pink swayers can get pregnant!!

Just wandering if your urine was very diluted yesterday which cause the neg opk? how dark were the lines yesterday? looking at your chart, you had a dip yesterday which i would have said was ov but then again i think some ladies do get a pre LH surge dip.

[rainbowflower]

Just wandering if your urine was very diluted yesterday which cause the neg opk? how dark were the lines yesterday? looking at your chart, you had a dip yesterday which i would have said was ov but then again i think some ladies do get a pre LH surge dip.

don't think so.. I've been drinking the same amount as normal (i.e. not much - being dehydrated is drying up my CM too which is good because I'm not happy to take an antihistamine when BF)

[deaks66]

hmmm well thats a tricky one! well the good thing is you aren't so bothered about timing so just keep dtd!!!

[HopeandDreamG]

Morning girls!!!

opks arnt getting much darker yet and no :) as of yet!!!

We are close in our cycles. I'm on CD 13 with OPKs not getting darker.. last two cycles I've had smiley on CD 14... FF chart seems all messed up this month saying I O'd CD 8- know thats not correct. I'm going to add my charts-need to look back on the thread where you were explaining how to do that!

[charlieispy]

I was going to ask which side is the test side on the tesco OPK if its the same as the cheapie then DEF +++++ My cheapie OPK never got darker than that i will try and find the pic!!

[charlieispy]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/charlieispy/opk.jpg

[deaks66]

We are close in our cycles. I'm on CD 13 with OPKs not getting darker.. last two cycles I've had smiley on CD 14... FF chart seems all messed up this month saying I O'd CD 8- know thats not correct. I'm going to add my charts-need to look back on the thread where you were explaining how to do that!

Its really bizarre how ff has decided you ov day 8...its not like your temps have been consistently high!

[rainbowflower]

I was going to ask which side is the test side on the tesco OPK if its the same as the cheapie then DEF +++++ My cheapie OPK never got darker than that i will try and find the pic!!
yeah, that's right - same way around!


hmmm well thats a tricky one! well the good thing is you aren't so bothered about timing so just keep dtd!!!
lol yeah it is a good thing, I'm getting twinges in my lower-right abdomen. They're not painful, but have had them on and off for 2hrs, could that be ovulation pain? I've never felt it before.


We are close in our cycles. I'm on CD 13 with OPKs not getting darker.. last two cycles I've had smiley on CD 14... FF chart seems all messed up this month saying I O'd CD 8- know thats not correct. I'm going to add my charts-need to look back on the thread where you were explaining how to do that!
How strange - I wonder if FF will update your chart again with another high temp. Have you had any EWCM?


http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/charlieispy/opk.jpg
ICs suck don't they? lol

[HopeandDreamG]

Yeah totally bizarre... no EWCM.. all neg opks... I'm hoping it updates with more temps and I'll keep taking the OPKs. What do most of you do with testing.. I have been doing regulars at 2 and 7pm and digitals at 9:30/10pm but have been doing a few more digitals just in case I go for 0+ I want to catch it right away

[charlieispy]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150341409040770&set=a.10150341403280770.343695.716815769&type=1&theater

for anyone who needs cheering up my ds2 posing for a chrimbo card shot....i was only doing head shots hence the pants but he posed like this himself!

[rainbowflower]

they all seem in the same sort-of range, fingers crossed it'll update

I do them at 12pm each day until I see them start to get darker - used to happen about 3 days before OV but this cycle has been about 5-6 days before, then I start doing them first thing in the morning (which usually gives me the best results actually), 12pm, and 7pm.

[rainbowflower]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150341409040770&set=a.10150341403280770.343695.716815769&type=1&theater

for anyone who needs cheering up my ds2 posing for a chrimbo card shot....i was only doing head shots hence the pants but he posed like this himself!
that link doesn't work for me, I guess you've set it to friends-only?

[HopeandDreamG]

Charlie- that bottom cheapie was the same day as the positives-I assume... wow maybe a dud or did that happen often?

[charlieispy]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/charlieispy/IMG_1847.jpg

[charlieispy]

Charlie- that bottom cheapie was the same day as the positives-I assume... wow maybe a dud or did that happen often?

no i never get good positives on cheapies

[rainbowflower]

awww Charlie - soooo cute!!

[deaks66]

love that charlie...did make me laugh about his pants though!

can you believe this...i put a link to smog diet food on someones post on ig and its been deleted! are we not allowed to do that?!

[HopeandDreamG]

Charlie-he's GORGEOUS!!!!... I just posted my plan on IG to get feedback -kept getting error messages it posted like 5 times LOL

[deaks66]

bummer, been having a think and doing some research and it doesn't look like it was a great idea of mine to do an o+12 and o+14 attempt! apparently it raises your ph which i should have known! does anyone know how much by and whether the small lime douche i did after the first attempt will have compensated for this?! should have just stuck with the one attempt!

[charlieispy]

sorry hun I cant help but the fact you used lime will help x what was your PH after - did you track it? There are many things i could have done better on my sway but I dont think you can ever be 100% happy with your sway unless you hear GIRL!!

[HopeandDreamG]

deaks- I did a lime douche the other day to test it out..it kept my ph low for 2 days.. I think no matter what we will all find something after to be hard on ourselves about

[Lavenderlime]

Hi all
Deaks I don't think you should worry too much as O would have been over not long after your O+14 so you only needed the ph to stay low for a short space of time. and if you added lime then i'm sure it would have been pretty low. I think a better way of thinking about it that you doubled your chances of getting pregnant! Which after all is the aim of the game:agree::). Your attempt did sound really good!

Charlie your DS is so sweet! I love the crown!! is that what you and the boys were making yesterday?

Chocolate. I didn't get periods until I stopped breastfeeding with both my boys. Then after feeding ds2 my cycles were all over the shop.

I actually got out today to see a friend and to soft play and town to get some winter clothes. Brrrr. It's been such a wash out this half term.

Maybe i'm another one that felt desperately sad after DS2's scan I only wanted two children and really felt cheated. But 20 weeks later and I was so at peace with it and loved him to bits. Boys are just so lovely. I'm very close to ds2 and he's a mummy's boy!

[Lavenderlime]

H&D are you attempting this cycle?

wishingforpink I hope your ds had a lovely birthday did he enjoy himself? I think DS2 would love legoland I think we'll take him next spring.

Indigo any news......?

[deaks66]

Thanks ladies, don't know why Im beating myself up over it as my ph was down to 4.6max and I'm sure it would have actually been lower had I had a bigger sample to test as that always happens with me for some reason. Plus the lime douche will have had a good effect. Think I'm paranoid because I asked Tamara about it and she said she didn't have time to reply which made me think she has a long explanation of why it wasn't a good idea, otherwise she could have quickly replied something positive!

It seems that quite a few of us have had cheeky adorable mummies boys as ds2 or 3!

Had ovary/pelvis ache all day!

[charlieispy]

FX for you deaks x dont fret - well try not too - your sway was fab and your PH low x

indigo hope you have a BFP waiting for you x x

[charlieispy]

lavender - yes we decorated them yesterday the boys love crafts - so they made their own :D i love arts and crafts it is what i studied before ds1 - well Alevel art then BA photography so they have no choice!! We also love to bake so tomorrow off to food shop and we are making halloween treats over the weekend

[Lavenderlime]

Charlie I did A level, Art photgraphy and textiles! Then started an art foundation course that I unfortunately had to drop out of. But I have an inner creative person that comes out every now and then. My family nag me to use my art in some way I'd love to sell on Folksy, or e-bay but I just don't have enough quiet time to concenrate on getting anything finished.

I love doing crafts with the kids but I sometimes get a little carried away and end up taking over lol. Poor boys.

Yum halloween treats! Allas my baking is a little limited to cupcakes and flapjacks. I wish I was a good cook. I watch the great brittish bake off in awe (and hungry!:bigsmile:)

[HopeandDreamG]

H&D are you attempting this cycle?

wishingforpink I hope your ds had a lovely birthday did he enjoy himself? I think DS2 would love legoland I think we'll take him next spring.

Indigo any news......?

Not trying this cycle-If my cut off stays the same my attempt will be exactly 5 weeks from today. I am toying with the idea of doing 0 + instead... so close to ovualtion scares me...

[deaks66]

oh girls, you sound like me, all arts and crafty! i studied design and am a qualified d&t teacher (wood work/textiles) though not working at the mo! i love nothing more than spending time making stuff!

[Lavenderlime]

Not trying this cycle-If my cut off stays the same my attempt will be exactly 5 weeks from today. I am toying with the idea of doing 0 + instead... so close to ovualtion scares me...

Mines in 5 weeks and 5 days! So we can support each other.:cheer:
Are you doing the IG girl diet and sups or the LE diet?

I started off thinking i'd do frequent release with a cut off. And have completely changed my mind to abstainance and O+12.

It's just the more i've read this ended up being the combo that would result in highest rate of sucess.

There are sways where people BD through ov and get their girl. I think this becomes more tempting the longer you are TTC.

[charlieispy]

Lavender - i did the art foundation course then 2 years of my BA as i got pregnant but i came away with a HND which was good!

Deaks I freaking love D&T i also did that for alevels :D

As for my cooking its another creative outlet for me - i taught myself i am a bit of a make it up as i go along but it seems to work. Made a scrummy butternut squash carribean curry on monday...winged it but turned out yummy luckily

[rainbowflower]

Deaks I wouldn't worry about it. I believe pH sways because it lowers sperm count, and that close to your previous attempt the count would have been incredibly low anyway.


I love craft too! William (my DS) is too young to do anything with right now, but I'm thinking of making some Christmassy things this year as it's our first Christmas at home as a family

[maybeoneday]

Hi ladies, I am a UK SMOG wannabe without a doubt! We started TTC earlier this month and am gearing up for my second attempt in about a week. In a way I am pleased I didn't fall last month as it means we have done enough to lower our chances but also think my sway was probably stronger in terms of weight loss and diet (I suck at the diet!).

Last month we only had one attempt on the day of :) and we dumped the first batch and used the second. This month, I was thinking about attempting as soon as I get a :) then again 2 days later (hoping for O+12) but with DH releasing in between. Any thoughts?

x

[charlieispy]

POOP looked at early private scans £100!!!! How much did you pay sunset?

Hi maybeoneday x x good luck with your attempt x

[rainbowflower]

Hi ladies, I am a UK SMOG wannabe without a doubt! We started TTC earlier this month and am gearing up for my second attempt in about a week. In a way I am pleased I didn't fall last month as it means we have done enough to lower our chances but also think my sway was probably stronger in terms of weight loss and diet (I suck at the diet!).

Last month we only had one attempt on the day of :) and we dumped the first batch and used the second. This month, I was thinking about attempting as soon as I get a :) then again 2 days later (hoping for O+12) but with DH releasing in between. Any thoughts?

x

sounds like a good plan! I'd also consider an O-2 as well as the O and O+12 as that way you will increase your chances of conceiving even further.

[rainbowflower]

POOP looked at early private scans £100!!!! How much did you pay sunset?

Hi maybeoneday x x good luck with your attempt x

my early scan was £60

[maybebabythree]

Hi girls. Feel much better today - yay!!

Petal - your post mad me cry - I hope I get to where you are soon. Any signs of bubs arrival yet?

I am looking into high tech as a distraction, really not sure I want four kids. I can't spread myself that thin! Just finished working again 7am - 2pm and 6pm - 8:30! I think I could afford it but its the four kids part and no garantee of a baby. Seems like a real big deal to put on my three kids. Still worth considering I guess. I don't want to be a mum of 12 boys still chasing that DD!!!

elp - how exciting! My first was early and second one was late - I hope my Dave doesn't arrive on the 29th Feb!

Must work out how to get my ticker on here. Oh and look at prams some more. Nothing like buying a pram to lift your mood. I would rather a new pram to a new car anyday!

[charlieispy]

I only paid £49 for an early scan for ds3 all the prices have jumped up!!

Maybe- pram shopping definately beats car shopping anyday.....get looking for a goodun x glad you are having a better day :D

[indigoviolet]

hello ladies! missed you today, been so busy with in-laws and ds2 poorly.
Didn't test this morning as temps down and really not feeling it this month. Couldn't be bothered with a bfn, they suck! So af due tomorrow....

Lovely to read all your chat.
Petal- loads of luck to you, hope your little man appears soon! I loved your post :HH:

charlie- I know how you must be feeling and it is a scary time but i'm sure you will be just fine and your little bean is staying put xx

[deaks66]

Maybe, glad you seem brighter today, lovely to hear. We are all here for you! X

Indigo, sorry you are getting af feelings, hope you are wrong but at least af would be the start of the next cycle!

Charlie, i feakin love d&t too...obviously! half the time i would get the kids going on something and then disappear off to make something for my house! :)

Rainbow, i have a william too, though we call him Bill!

[Lavenderlime]

As for my cooking its another creative outlet for me - i taught myself i am a bit of a make it up as i go along but it seems to work. Made a scrummy butternut squash carribean curry on monday...winged it but turned out yummy luckily
Yum! Maybe I should give it a bit more of a go then! I try and wing it then it never really tastes that great, or as it should in my head IFYSWIM.Think I need to be more confident with spices. At least with the girl diet it involves zilch effort as your so restricted.

What sort of meals were you eating when swaying as your veggie too?

Deaks my Dad's a D&T teacher too! Look at us arty lot:)

Hello maybeoneday!

[littlemisswilko]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n151/charlieispy/IMG_1847.jpg

awww hes absolutely adorable!!!!

[littlemisswilko]

Had ovary/pelvis ache all day!

Early implantation signs? :)

[littlemisswilko]

POOP looked at early private scans £100!!!! How much did you pay sunset?

Hi maybeoneday x x good luck with your attempt x

Think sunset paid around £70 -£80 for her private scan at 7 weeks

[Petal]

I agree maybe, i LOVE pram shopping, cant wait to start using mine :-)
I contacted dr Savvas at Genesis, he quoted £6000 including sperm sort, if i win the lottery i'll pay for us both to go :-)
You will soon feel how i do, by my 20 week scan when dh found out (i found out alone at 16 weeks) i was at peace with it all, so within 4 weeks the pain had gone alot. Of course there are times when i get jealous of others with their pigeon pairs or 2 boys and girl but i feel sad for my little boy and he deserves to be here as much as any little girl!! i want him soooo much (just wish he would hurry up)!!! lol.
Will let you know any news x x

[littlemisswilko]

indigo - got my fingers crossed af doesnt come tomorrow and you get a BFP!!!!

[deaks66]

I agree maybe, i LOVE pram shopping, cant wait to start using mine :-)
I contacted dr Savvas at Genesis, he quoted £6000 including sperm sort, if i win the lottery i'll pay for us both to go :-)
You will soon feel how i do, by my 20 week scan when dh found out (i found out alone at 16 weeks) i was at peace with it all, so within 4 weeks the pain had gone alot. Of course there are times when i get jealous of others with their pigeon pairs or 2 boys and girl but i feel sad for my little boy and he deserves to be here as much as any little girl!! i want him soooo much (just wish he would hurry up)!!! lol.
Will let you know any news x x

I've probably spent nearly £6000 on supplements i reckon!!! ha ha!

[deaks66]

Early implantation signs? :)

Id think waaaaay too early for that unfortunately. i wandered if it could be the egg travelling?!

[cocos-mum]

sorry no messages i've read though them but just got in from work and my brains mush so can't remeber then sorry.
just wanted to say a quick hi.

[Petal]

LOL deaks, me too!

Aww Charlie your little boy is such a stunner!! bless him :-)

FX for your bfp Indigo!!! x

[maybebabythree]

Charlie - your son is gorg!! So cute!! Mine are both blond but the little one had his mop chopped yesterday. He has a little toddler bob thing going on normally. I love watching him run and his hair going all the place.

Petal - I can't belive it's so cheap there! I could have gotten PG sooner if I had gone down the route! Still it doesn't work out for everyone. I think my fert report is too poop for IVF anyway.

[maybebabythree]

FX Indigo xxxx

[Lavenderlime]

Night all. x

[HopeandDreamG]

Mines in 5 weeks and 5 days! So we can support each other.:cheer:
Are you doing the IG girl diet and sups or the LE diet?

I started off thinking i'd do frequent release with a cut off. And have completely changed my mind to abstainance and O+12.

It's just the more i've read this ended up being the combo that would result in highest rate of sucess.

There are sways where people BD through ov and get their girl. I think this becomes more tempting the longer you are TTC.

Sorry it took me awhile to get back.. had to go to work!! works really getting in the way of my sway! LOL... LOVE the idea of supporting each other. I too started thinking I would do frequent with cut off. However, after more research decided on abstinence of at least 7 days with 2-3 day cut off. If I miss it I will do 0+. On IG diet. Taking supps. I posted a thread under gender swaying/trying concieve girl asking for feedback explaining my whole sway..would love you to look at it..let me know what you think.

[maybepink3]

Id think waaaaay too early for that unfortunately. i wandered if it could be the egg travelling?!


I started feeling 'twinges' at dpo3-dpo4. I googled it and many women said it could be sign of pg but didn't want to get my hopes up.
Started to feel the dreaded sickness today and tired now. Shouldn't be on here so off to bed. Will catch up with everyone tomorrow x

[cocos-mum]

in all my pgs the first sign i had within days of ov was like streching pains. like af but tummy button high

[pinga]

Hello hello.... after getting to bed at 9.30 last night... I got NOOooooo sleep. DS2 is quite poorly and was up most of the night. Ended up taking him to the docs today - doc thinks he has bronchiolitis so we're on all the medicine. Will be keeping an eye on him though. DS1 ended up overnight in hospital both times he got bronchiolitis.

Got my blood tests done today - FIVE vials of blood needed! FIVE!!! eugh... hate getting blood taken! :P

Oh question for everyone. My doc said that he wants to do a pap smear. I've had abnormal ones in the past and several treatments. I'm not due one until December but he thinks I should get one. I don't really want to get one because I worry I suppose. I mean if there were some abnormal cells its not as though I could get them treated until after the baby is born anyway... Anyone had a smear while PG???

[pinga]

deaks - when I was 3dpo I had a bit of bloody mucous when I wiped... I thought it was way too early... but it was obviously something :) you never know...

maybepink3 - so you're starting to feel a bit off? Most of the time I'm feeling not quite right but nothing major. I am hugely emotional though. I almost burst into tears at the doctors when explaining how DS2 was... which is not something I'd normally do! I kind of like getting some feelings... even the bad ones... because I can still say... 'I must be PG' :D

Charlie - that is the funniest picture :D

Anyway I have a sick little man wanting mummy-cuddles.... makes you feel so needed and special.

[deaks66]

Thanks ladies, I'm terrible for symptom spotting in the 2ww...need to get on holiday and forget all about it! Still got cramps and today tender boobs :)

Pinga, I'm so sorry your ds2 is so poorly! I hope the meds work quickly and you can avoid him having to go to hospital. Bet you are shattered, I would stay in the sofa having cuddles all day!

Maybepink, hows the sickness today?

Indigo are you testing again or just sitting it out?

Got to start packing today!

[Wishing4Pink]

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150341409040770&set=a.10150341403280770.343695.716815769&type=1&theater

for anyone who needs cheering up my ds2 posing for a chrimbo card shot....i was only doing head shots hence the pants but he posed like this himself!

Haha, what a little poser! Bless him, they do make us laugh don't they!

x

[Wishing4Pink]

H&D are you attempting this cycle?

wishingforpink I hope your ds had a lovely birthday did he enjoy himself? I think DS2 would love legoland I think we'll take him next spring.

Indigo any news......?

He had a fab day Lavenderlime! Started to rain when we got there but the kids didn't mind and the sun did come out later. It's certainly a great day out, although a little expensive

x

[ELP]

Think sunset paid around £70 -£80 for her private scan at 7 weeks

Mine was £65 with the firstview group, I went on 13 weeks for some reliable nub shots:agree:

[ELP]

Hi girls. Feel much better today - yay!!

elp - how exciting! My first was early and second one was late - I hope my Dave doesn't arrive on the 29th Feb!

Is it the 29th this year!!! Oh no! They wouldn't would they, a day to definately avoid the trampoline:bigsmile:

[littlemisswilko]

pinga - so sorry to hear your Ds is poorly! how horrid for him. hope he gets better soon!!! ive never had a smear done never mind when ive been PG im under the age of getting one here in the uk. i think its 25

Just need a bit of advice from you girls. took my BBT this morning and it was very low than normal. took a digi with fmu and still no smiley altho the line is getting slightly darker but no way yet a positive. i did take my temp earlier than normal do you think this would affect my temp. It is right that your temp goes low just before O right? When i stuck the probe under my tounge it went into the normal range of temps but i dont normally take my temps from under the tounge, normally on the top. Just so bloody confusing, dont want to miss O this month too

[Wishing4Pink]

Thanks for the info Charlie and Deaks. Got the cm sorted as i've been tracking that for months. Can you tell i'm trying to keep myself busy, lol.

x

[indigoviolet]

Littlemiss- I often get a dip in temp on or before O day. taking it earlier could definitely affect it. I think taking temp under tongue is more accurate but I guess you should keep doing what you were for consistency. Hope you get your positive soon! GL

[indigoviolet]

Deaks- yes I am sitting it out (which really surprises me!) as not feeling it this month.... really hope it is your month though! Have a great holiday and hope it makes the 2ww fly by!

[cocos-mum]

Hello hello.... after getting to bed at 9.30 last night... I got NOOooooo sleep. DS2 is quite poorly and was up most of the night. Ended up taking him to the docs today - doc thinks he has bronchiolitis so we're on all the medicine. Will be keeping an eye on him though. DS1 ended up overnight in hospital both times he got bronchiolitis.

Got my blood tests done today - FIVE vials of blood needed! FIVE!!! eugh... hate getting blood taken! :P

Oh question for everyone. My doc said that he wants to do a pap smear. I've had abnormal ones in the past and several treatments. I'm not due one until December but he thinks I should get one. I don't really want to get one because I worry I suppose. I mean if there were some abnormal cells its not as though I could get them treated until after the baby is born anyway... Anyone had a smear while PG???

oh dear hope hes better soon.

i had a smear when i was pg with my dd. i can see why you would be worried but if you don't now hes suggested getting one you will worry untill you have one there could be something wrong. i'd just go get it done hun. theres a very good chance it will be fine.

[cocos-mum]

i have a question. we aren't planning to ttc till may but i'm about a stone and a half over weight and i'd really like to lose that before i get pg. if i lose it before starting to ttc with i still get the weightloss shock you need to ttc pink?

[indigoviolet]

Charlie- that pic of your boy is so funny and cute!

Petal- I remember how difficult it was for you after your 16 week scan...it was so hard to see you like that but now here you are super excited about meeting your boy and genuinely happy! That's why threads like this that go on for years are good as we can follow eachother's stories from beginning to happy end! :HH:

[indigoviolet]

Welcome Maybeoneday and good luck with your attempt!

[indigoviolet]

coco- I'd save loosing the weight until within 6 weeks before your attempt and a lot leading up to O. It is tricky as you don't know exactly when you will get pg!

[deaks66]

littlemiss, just keep testing and you will get a smiley! do you always get a smiley cd12 or was last month an exception?! i would keep testing your temps in the way you normally do or you will get inconsistent readings. You can get a pre ov dip or a pre LH surge dip i think. But then again you can get wacko readings for all sorts of readings. Just keep testing :)

Indigo, so sorry if af does arrive, but the way i look at it is at least you get a chance to tweak your sway! Next month im definitely dropping all lime and just going to do the one attempt at o+12.

petal, any twinges yet?

Pinga, i too think you should just get the smear done now or it will be on your mind.

Still haven't started packing though went to the shops and bought new wellies for me and the boys. got a play date this aft so i guess packing will have to wait till tonight!

[littlemisswilko]

Deaks- yes I am sitting it out (which really surprises me!) as not feeling it this month.... really hope it is your month though! Have a great holiday and hope it makes the 2ww fly by!

just had a look at your temps and there are looking promising!!! :) your af was suppose to arrive today wasnt it? or does it normally vary?

[littlemisswilko]

littlemiss, just keep testing and you will get a smiley! do you always get a smiley cd12 or was last month an exception?! i would keep testing your temps in the way you normally do or you will get inconsistent readings. You can get a pre ov dip or a pre LH surge dip i think. But then again you can get wacko readings for all sorts of readings. Just keep testing :)


ive only started using the digis so this is my first month using them! i have been using the same cheapies for all my other cycles and they are pretty okay. just tested again and still no smiley on digi (i did have a cup of peppermint tea about 20 minutes before hand, will this affect it much?) but the line on the cheapie is darker then todays FMU. Cervix has started to go a bit soft. but not very high. I ovulate very randomly i used to be around cd 16-18 but after taking clomid for 4 months it shortened to between 12-15 days. I arnt taking clomid this month so i dont know when my ovaries will decide to pop an egg out. Hopefully sooner rather than later!!! just going to have to keep testing

[littlemisswilko]

Deaks when are you going to cornwall?? what made you choose to go there? hopefully you will get all sorted and packed by tonite if your not too tired!!

[deaks66]

Sounds fine to me. Just keep using digi for fmu and cheapies for rest (approx 1pm, 6pm, 10pm) until you see them getting darker and then use digi's, thats my advice. I don't think one drink will affect your lunchtime opk no. What i found was that my 6pm is always the most faint because i have had a day of fluids to dilute my urine. What i tend to do now to prevent this is to have some drinks straight after 1pm opk then go to the toilet again in half an hour to an hour and then not drink much again till the next opk. This way, i am able to get my intake of fluids in but not dilute my urine too much for 6pm.

We are off to cornwall in the morning. We quite often go there for a change from norfolk and dh has family there including his granddad who we visit. Staying near fowey which i love!

[littlemisswilko]

Thanks for that Deaks! will test again at around 6pm tonight then!

It sounds lovely hope you have a nice time! how long are you staying for?

[deaks66]

We are going for a week. Have barely seen dh for about 8 weeks so it will be nice to have him around with us :)

[littlemisswilko]

ahhh hope you have a brilliant time! At least the little break will take your mind off things! we you be sticking to the diet whilst your away?

[Petal]

Have a great holiday Deaks.

Maybe, there are other places that do PGD cheaper than £6000 but they dont have such a good success rate as Genesis. I lost my grandad this year and my plan was to use that money to go next year, but things have changed and we need to move house to get ds1 into a good high school, his happiness and education comes first, so if we are able to save or re-mortgage at some point then i will strongly consider going to cyprus :-))

Well 40 weeks and 1 day and NOTHING!!!!!! Ive just been up an indoor play center for 3 hours, boys loved it, im knackered and didnt even do anything lol x

[littlemisswilko]

Genesis does sound very cheap! im assuming you have to make your own arrangements for accomodation?

[deaks66]

littlemiss, no id doubt i will stick much to the diet but so far when i have been away i haven't noticed a break in the diet affecting my ph much and its only a week this time. It has also worked out quite well timing wise.

Petal, how frustrating! do you normally get twinges when you are imminent? both mine were totally out of the blue...no twinges whatsoever really!

[deaks66]

Plus i meant to add that when you have been on the diet 6 months you need a break as it becomes pretty unhealthy. I view every holiday as a little break to keep me healthy!

[littlemisswilko]

mind you my diet did slip abit when i found out i O with out relising altho that too didnt alter my ph!

[2monkeyboys]

Hi ladies,
Hope you have a great hols Deaks. Excellent timing for you to relax and time to whizz by on your 2ww.
Poor you still having to wait petal! When you count down to a certain day any thing over I find impossibly hard as I'm so impatient it's untrue.
Ive got my year old niece to have tonite which I gotta say I'm slightly dreading. She is dead cute but doesn't ever want to go to sleep, doesn't stay asleep and wakes up early so I'm feeling :( even thinking about it. If she isn't enough to put my dp off wanting anymore ever I'll be lucky.
Xxx

[littlemisswilko]

sounds like she's a handfull 2monkeyboys!!! hope she doesnt put your DP off trying for a DD

[Lavenderlime]

Deaks hope you have a lovely break away! Twinges all sounding good. I had sore boobs really early when preg with my boys.

LMW hope ov is soon for you.

Pinga. I was talking about smears with a friend yesterday as it's 25 for your first smear in the uk and i'm 25 in January. And the ones that have had theirs so far have all come back with abnormal cells! But this can turn out to be nothing. They ask you to come in between day 10-14 of your cycles as any old blood can come up as abnormal. Also your not ment to have sex for three days before as this can come up with abnormal. As any bacteria at all can cause an abnormal reading. So i'm thinking if your pregnant there's a good chance it will come up abnormal anyway and that will just worry you as there's nothing you can do about it! I would wait until after you give birth. As you don't want to worry about something that is probably nothing for 9 months!

OMG i'm so stressed. I had a call on Tuesday saying the replacement playhouse would arrive with us on Thursday evening waited all last night and nothing. Called them this morning and basically got fobbed off as to why it hadn't arrived, why I hadn't been contacted, how the lady who had contacted me intially was wrong etc. etc. In the end I was just so livid about being messed around with that I cancelled the order. So poor DP has been put under pressure to make a playhouse from scratch and errect it, finish decking the garden all before the boys party! I know he'll make a much better job than the one that's here it's just he has no time at the moment as he's helping his mum with their roof. Another freind put up a stud wall to seperate their kids rooms. As well as his regular day to day job.
He was hoping to get some of the decking finished tonight as it's stopped raining but I start work at 5pm. O dear. oh well it's out of my hands now. :(

On a good note doing well on the diet today because we went to a friends to play this morning breakfast wasn't all I thought about! I didn't eat anything till 2pm which is amazing for me.

Lastly please could someone help me with calcium citrate sups I really need to order them ASAP. I'm not too sure about the solarary ones as the mag and calcium levels are out for swaying.

[littlemisswilko]

i use the solgar brand for calcium citrate with added vit d and i know sunset did too. you can buy them off amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Solgar-Calcium-Citrate-Vitamin-Tablets/dp/B0016K1B42/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1319811537&sr=1-2-catcorr

i would buy the 240 tabs as they last longer and are cheaper as when i first started taking supps i was having to buy these every week as i was only buying them in bottles of 60. I take 4 a day and so does my partner so they only last 7 days.

What a nightmare they have messed you about!! did they take the first playhouse they delivered and will you be getting a refund?

[Lavenderlime]

Thank so much you LMW.
Ok i will go for them there just so expensive but think i'll just have to bite the bullet and hope that I concieve quickly. DP won't take sups he thinks I'm a bit of a nutter (in a good way) for swaying.

Nope we still have the original playhouse which was the wrong order. They are ment to collect it at some point?? To be honest I feel like burning it lol. Can you tell that I've got PMT lol.

On a positive note the same friend who I was talking to about smears with is going to TTC after X mas. She has a girl and would love a boy for her DP. I've tod her about swaying in the past and we worked out that she does classic girl things.

She never eats breakfast, She's a veggie like me too so no red meat. She lives off of diet coke and probably only has one large meal a day and snacks in the evening. I think she naturally has low blood sugar as she says she often gets spots infront of her eye's or feels a bit faint. Also her DH is in a band and lives in skinny jeans!

So I've told her to start eating a big breakfast and ditch the diets coke and and just generally eat more food! Also DH has to ditch the jean!:) Don't think she'd properly sway but these things would give her a better chance of having a boy.

[littlemisswilko]

yeh they are slightly expensive but if your dp isnt going to take them then they are going to last a hell of a lot longer!

Its nice you can be so open to your friends about swaying like ive said before i wont dare tell anybody except DP. im glad he's doing exactly what ive told him to except he wont do the diet. he tried it and was on it for 2 weeks but he couldnt handle it and he loves his food so we had to make a comprimise!

[charlieispy]

Pinga - hope DS is better soon ds3 suffered with that as a small baby its horrid :(

As for the smear test I had one booked for thursday but cancelled it not sure if they do them when pregnant but i didnt want to risk it x

[charlieispy]

Deaks- yes I am sitting it out (which really surprises me!) as not feeling it this month.... really hope it is your month though! Have a great holiday and hope it makes the 2ww fly by!

WOW indigo go you hope you get a BFP i really do

Deaks enjoy your hols :D

Petal - hope that little man arrives pronto!!

AFM went to the park today and as we left DS2 wanted a poo so went to the loo - he took foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr by the time i made it back to the car i had a bloodly parking ticket brilliant cheap day out not so much £40!!! or £80 if i dont pay within a week going to appeal but how do you write my toddler needed to poop in an appeal letter???

[maybebabythree]

Petal - I had cramps everyday for about two weeks before DS2 came into the world. They started at 10pm and went on until 10am!! Until he came then it was a 48 hour labour!!! 48 hours!!! Mind you it was all pain free until I was 8cm dilated.

I would only consider high tech with a good clinic. If its cheap, but don't work you save nothing in the long run. If they could freeze DHs swimmers 3 cycles could be 25k. I can't belive that I would ever consider 25k as cheap! Also with four kids I would need to move. I was toying with the idea as we have a great school two miles down my road, but there is a great school in Hampshire that is the best school around here. So who knows. It's expensive here! If I owned this house it would 450k ish for a three bed semi!!!!!!! I could get a five bed detached for that back in Kent! Still both our jobs are here :¬(

I went to a RHS garden with the boys today. Love it there. So many babies there!!!!

[Petal]

LMW, yes you have to pay extra for flights and accomodation.

I didnt get twinges as such, ds1 was an induction and ds2 started as 'period pains' so we shall see :-/ I think hes gonna be a novemeber baby!!!

[maybebabythree]

Pinga - my smear was due when I fell pg. My doc and midwife said it's safe to have while PG but it can irritate your cervix and make it bleed so they don't like to do it over here. But then again my smears have always been ok. I am sure there wouldn't treat abnormal cellls while PG though? I would ask your doc the pros and cons and if they do routinely treat abnormal cells during PG over in Aus x

[maybebabythree]

I have just asked DH if he wants to go on holiday to Cyprus next year - he just rolled his eyes at me lol! Poor bloke....

[maybebabythree]

Might spend all my savings on a new MPV before I decide to have another baby, then I can't offord it anymore :¬)

[Petal]

Why does the time on here say 11.59am when its like 6pm??

Hi Maybe, ive followed a few ladies who went to Genesis and got BFP's, check out the forums on here, i was on them alot a few months ago. Dr Savvas charges £4000 for 2nd cycles, it may even be euros, id have to check my emails, he also does his own sperm sort so the embrios are mostly the desired gender, i think this is why alot of people choose him. I believe if i didnt do a sperm sort all mine would be boys!! lol. I can send you all my emails from him if you like, just pm me :-)) x

[Petal]

Hahaha, your dh sounds like mine, i just get 'that look' when i mention cyprus lol x

[Petal]

Just found out our next door but one neighbour have had their baby a week early, a baby girl of course, they didnt know what they were having and is thier first. So im just know what all the nosy neighbours opposite will be saying once my boy arrives. You think you're dealing with things but theres always bloody something to knock you down again :-(( x

[deaks66]

oh petal, sorry to hear you have taken a knock. I hope your wonderful new little boy arrives soon to perk you up! Big hugs! X

[maybeoneday]

Wow, you girls love to chat....

Petal, I am sorry you are feeling down. I know it is hard but think, before you know it, he will be here and the comments will be over. People only say something once!!!

My husbands brother has just announced his wife is pregnant and in my head that baby is already a girl! Somehow I just don't feel 'lucky' enough to ever get a girl no matter what I do.

To cap it all off, had a bad diet day... Took the kids to pizza hut for lunch with a friend. Tried not to go too mad but had to eat something as hadn't eaten all morning!!

Thanks for your welcomes and Pinga, hope your DS feels better soon. xx

[Babymad]

Just saying Hi :)

[Petal]

Thanks girls, i know im being silly its just so annoying how some people get what you want without even trying first time, she will be hanging all the pink things on the washing line soon for me to see no doubt!!

Hi babymad, how are you doing? you will have to put your ticker up on here! x

[littlemisswilko]

Just found out our next door but one neighbour have had their baby a week early, a baby girl of course, they didnt know what they were having and is thier first. So im just know what all the nosy neighbours opposite will be saying once my boy arrives. You think you're dealing with things but theres always bloody something to knock you down again :-(( x

keep your chin up hunny!!! your baby will just be as wonderfull as theres. ignore the nosy neighbours!!!

[littlemisswilko]

I have just asked DH if he wants to go on holiday to Cyprus next year - he just rolled his eyes at me lol! Poor bloke....

hahahahahahaha :giggle:

[littlemisswilko]

i got my smiley today!!! yayyyyy.. i got it at 5pm and i had tested earlier at 1pm and had no smiley then, so hopefully i caught the lh surge early! have got a bit of EWCM but not loads and my ph is still below 4. The only bad thing is that if i go by the 36 hr rule then it will be 5am tomorrow night...pfft.
deaks how long after your first +opk did you do your attempt?

[Wishing4Pink]

Littlemisswilko - good luck with your attempt!!! :)

x

[charlieispy]

Good luck littlemiss - keep an eye on all your O symptoms and go get that eggy!! I o'd 24hours almost exactly after my +OPK for +36hours am sure 6am/7am BD would be ok as that would still be +13 +14 FX FX FX for you x x

[Lavenderlime]

i got my smiley today!!! yayyyyy.. i got it at 5pm and i had tested earlier at 1pm and had no smiley then, so hopefully i caught the lh surge early! have got a bit of EWCM but not loads and my ph is still below 4. The only bad thing is that if i go by the 36 hr rule then it will be 5am tomorrow night...pfft.
deaks how long after your first +opk did you do your attempt?

Yay for your smiley! The good thing about a 5a.m O+12 is at least you'll know the kids will be asleep, much better than your attempt being 5pm! which would be just my luck.

Hope you attempt goes really well you and Deaks really deserve BFP this cyle. What's your plan? Do you use lime?

[littlemisswilko]

im doing straight TBM so NO DTD. My DP is pretty cool about everything so im lucky. :hug2:
My DP has abstained for 16 days today :bluecheer: will get him to release in my femmecup when the time is right and will be adding lime but only a small amout as my previous attempts i added so much that no wonder i havent fallen pg already, killed them before i even got the inside. My PH is quite low normally but i will be using a little aci gel about and hour before and i have started taking sudafed round the clock. depending on whether i still have some EWCM i may do a lime douche a few hours before attempt. Then with a syringe suck dp's sample up and insert. Will then insert femme cup and keep checking my ph every 30 minutes!!!

Sounds like im all prepared but ill just have to wait and see when the time comes. :nails:

[rainbowflower]

LMW - good luck! how long have you been TTC?

[Petal]

Good luck LMW x

[littlemisswilko]

LMW - good luck! how long have you been TTC?

Thanks girls! Cervix has gone really high can barely touch it but id say its medium as its not extremely soft!

Been TTC for about 4 months now but past attempts have been terrible and sort of practice runs! this is the first time i have felt confident with what im doing! so FX

[charlieispy]

ooooooh littlemisss you so have it covered :D :D :D hope it all goes to plan and try ro relax if possible LOL - she says having a major panic attack after mine!!!! Hope this is your pink BFP month x indigo am thinking of you.......

[charlieispy]

POAS again today - yes i am paranoid!! lovely DARK DARK line on a frer and 2-3 weeks on the CB digi - out of tests now so need to try and stop worrying!!

[HopeandDreamG]

Thanks girls, i know im being silly its just so annoying how some people get what you want without even trying first time, she will be hanging all the pink things on the washing line soon for me to see no doubt!!

Hi babymad, how are you doing? you will have to put your ticker up on here! x

Petal- Its far from silly..Its amazing how that happens :(

[HopeandDreamG]

im doing straight TBM so NO DTD. My DP is pretty cool about everything so im lucky. :hug2:
My DP has abstained for 16 days today :bluecheer: will get him to release in my femmecup when the time is right and will be adding lime but only a small amout as my previous attempts i added so much that no wonder i havent fallen pg already, killed them before i even got the inside. My PH is quite low normally but i will be using a little aci gel about and hour before and i have started taking sudafed round the clock. depending on whether i still have some EWCM i may do a lime douche a few hours before attempt. Then with a syringe suck dp's sample up and insert. Will then insert femme cup and keep checking my ph every 30 minutes!!!

Sounds like im all prepared but ill just have to wait and see when the time comes. :nails:

GOOD LUCK!!!! This sounds like a great plan...Hooray for you... I'll be checking in to see how it went :) :)

[Sunset]

Good luck with your attempt littlemisswilko!! i hope it goes to plan! i'm sure you will do great :D

xx

[Sunset]

littlemisswilko good luck with your attempt!! fx it goes to plan, but i'm sure it will ;) xx

[Petal]

Hi girls, good luck lmw, sounds like you have it all covered!!

Ive half packed my hospital bag in the hope of actually going into labour sometime soon!! wishful thinking!!

Done the pumpkins today, looking forward to eating more chocolate tonight before i have to diet boo hoooo.
x

[rainbowflower]

Hi girls, good luck lmw, sounds like you have it all covered!!

Ive half packed my hospital bag in the hope of actually going into labour sometime soon!! wishful thinking!!

Done the pumpkins today, looking forward to eating more chocolate tonight before i have to diet boo hoooo.
x
maybe your baby wants to share my birthday? (tomorrow) :P

[cocos-mum]

hi all just a flying visit again i'm afraid been working full days for last 3 days 2 more to go and then i'll be chatting with you.
hope everyone is well? good luck and hugs to everyone that need them.

thanks for comments and my question about wait lose before ttc i weight myself yesterday and i now have 2 stone to lose so i'm thinking if i do a stone slow then try do the other stone when i start girl diet. cause if i don't by ttc time i could need to lose 3 or more.

[threelittlemenandcounting]

Hi ladies hope your all having a lovely weekend, Charlieispy CONGRTULATIONS hun xxx

[charlieispy]

thank you 3LM still in shock and its been a week now lol. Just want to fast forward the next 8 weeks and get past that 12wk scan with flying colours!

Happy Hallows to you all x

Indigo - i hope you not testing is a good sign - it usually is for me!!

Littlemiss - hope your attempt goes well FX by tomorrow morning when i log in you will have done it!

Petal - hope your little man makes an appearance soon - i played football with ds1 the day before ds3 arrived maybe that helped....nothing else did even bouncing on their trampoline daily from 38wks!!

Am off to bed need sleeeeeeeeeeeep still not sicky really just tired, sore boobs, smells are out of this world and a little faint - cant believe i am wanting morning sickness...!!! Good luck to all x x