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Boyzmommy
December 13th, 2015, 11:17 AM
Good poptart[emoji106]
I m so sad it didn't get nub again


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Poptart32
December 13th, 2015, 11:18 AM
It's typical that you who would look out for a nub doesn't get one yet I just saw a pregnancy announcement on Facebook with an obvious girlie nub but no one has a clue about it [emoji85]


DS #1 [emoji170]DS #2 [emoji170] ttc #3 using a girl sway [emoji175][emoji170]

My Ovulation Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/40b78c)

Boyzmommy
December 13th, 2015, 11:19 AM
[emoji120]🏻thanks poptart. I was thinking of posting it on fb but was not comfortable posting there


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mommymachine
December 13th, 2015, 02:58 PM
Hi everyone! 12 weeks today! Excited for my scan on Wednesday.

Boyzmommy
December 13th, 2015, 02:59 PM
Yay[emoji95][emoji95][emoji95][emoji322][emoji322][emoji322]


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mammacass
December 13th, 2015, 03:47 PM
Looking forward to seeing your pics mommy, hope you can get a nice clear nub [emoji4]


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mammacass
December 13th, 2015, 09:30 PM
I have been trying for ages to put a pregnancy ticker in my signature but for some reason it keeps coming up with invalid file or invalid url. Beyond frustrated lol [emoji35]


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Boyzmommy
December 13th, 2015, 09:57 PM
Same here mamacass


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Boyzmommy
December 13th, 2015, 09:57 PM
[emoji37]


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Bluebooties
December 13th, 2015, 10:01 PM
Yes i remember it was a headache putting it on but i somehow did manage it. Dont remember how now.
It has to be at desktop and i think i had to add it as a picture. The url thing wouldnot work

mammacass
December 13th, 2015, 10:02 PM
Ok thank you I will give that try. I was doing it from my laptop but will try the picture :)


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Bluebooties
December 13th, 2015, 10:03 PM
Yeah give it a try. Mine was from lilypie. Dont know if that matters

mammacass
December 13th, 2015, 10:05 PM
Does adding it as a pic mean that it won't automatically update though



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Bluebooties
December 13th, 2015, 10:17 PM
Mine is updating

Bluebooties
December 13th, 2015, 10:19 PM
I had to go through an icon that said picture then webt from there i believe. The usual url links werent getting me anywhere. If u look among the icons there is one for a world sign and a photo negative/reel thing with it

mammacass
December 13th, 2015, 10:29 PM
I did it YAY! Thanks for your help bluebooties :)

Bluebooties
December 13th, 2015, 10:37 PM
Awesome !

yogi&booboo
December 14th, 2015, 01:34 AM
Poptart dont beat your self up. I read that it has to do with the acidity of your body and what you eat and all kinds of things affect those tests. I wouldn't put any thoughts to it. Big hugs to you

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hopper
December 14th, 2015, 09:13 AM
Hi girls :) Been kept super busy so have missed a lot!

Boyz what a beautiful baby! I'm no expert but the skull looks girly to me! Fxed for you x

Oh poptart - yay for zero fizz!! Mine ALWAYS fizzed on the boys but nothing this time. Trying to not get hopes up tho!

Nice ticker mammacass ;) When is your scan?

I suspect I might have a UTI ladies, some cramping, lots of back pain all on one side and I only feel comfortable straight after emptying my bladder. Got an appt to see my GP in an hour just to br proactive. It feels kinda like a UTI, hoping thats all it is. Only issue is the GP I m seeing is my DHs as my own had no appts. He saw me twicec before when pg on DS2 and both times he sent me to hospital. Hoping he can resolve whatever this is in his surgery cause DH is working late and we don't have any family to watch the boys!
In other news I'm feeling the odd bout of nausea here and there. Haven't thrown up tho so thats a plus!

Boyzmommy
December 14th, 2015, 10:47 AM
Thanks hopper. I hope its my girl. I have no clue how would i deal with that much happiness[emoji12]
I got uti i guess. My left back side hurts and it feels better after empty bladder. I should go to dr i think.
My baking soda test always frizz. I didnt check this time.


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mammacass
December 14th, 2015, 03:00 PM
My first scan is today ladies! Not sure how I'm going to get the water in while I'm at work, I may have to skull as soon as I finish lol it's not until this afternoon so I will be back later to update. Feeling a little nervous as well as excited [emoji4]

Hopper it does sound like you may have a uti, good luck at the Drs. And I know it sounds weird but yay for nausea lol


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mammacass
December 14th, 2015, 03:11 PM
Because you have all made me very curious I have just done the baking soda test with FMU and got zero fizz... Here's hoping lol is there a certain gestation the test is meant to be done at?


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Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 03:12 PM
Well ladies i wont be getting any sonograms till 20th week so 4 more weeks to wait more 😕

Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 03:13 PM
I didnt even get an NT scan. So really havent "seen" baby since 8th week nor had down screening blood work done

mammacass
December 14th, 2015, 03:23 PM
Oh that would be hard bluebooties, just wondering why you didn't have the nt scan? Was it your choice or just not offered?


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Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 03:26 PM
No one offered any scaning or screening blood work. I am in my 30's too althought otherwise low risk. At my dating appointment i was told to back back between 14th to 16th week

Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 03:27 PM
I had a friend nurse do a quick scan at 13week at work place but she wasnt any sono tech so it was just to see the baby

Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 03:28 PM
4 weeks is toooo long !

atomic sagebrush
December 14th, 2015, 03:33 PM
Hi guys.. I went and bought bicarbonate of soda and did the test and it didn't fizz [emoji15][emoji15] trying not to get my hopes up though lol


DS #1 [emoji170]DS #2 [emoji170] ttc #3 using a girl sway [emoji175][emoji170]

My Ovulation Chart (http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/40b78c)

Baking soda tests DO NOT WORK. Please don't do these unless you are going into them totally for fun.

mammacass
December 14th, 2015, 03:38 PM
Thank you atomic yes I realise they are just for fun [emoji4]

I'm suprised an nt wasn't offered bluebooties. So you have a scan at the 14-16 then again at 20?


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Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 03:54 PM
No scan at 16th just at 20th. I was so hoping they would do it at my 16th week visit this friday

hopper
December 14th, 2015, 05:23 PM
Oh Mammacass what time is your u/s at? So excited for you to see your baby :)

Back from GP a while now, he said there was "something" showing in my urine sample,reckons it's an infection and prescribed anti biotics to be on the safe side. He said if pain gets much worse to ring him back. Pain is quite bad tonight but want to give the meds a chance to work so if it's not shifted by tomorrow I will call him back. I only fitted in once dose of the anti biotic today as it was late when I got them, really hope they start to take affect asap. Hard not to worry when I'm in pain. It's kind of all over my lower abdomen now,rather than just one sided. I'm in bed hoping to sleep it off.

Boyzmommy
December 14th, 2015, 06:03 PM
Awww bluebooties i know its hard not to see little one often.
4 weeks will b here in no time[emoji85]


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yogi&booboo
December 14th, 2015, 06:03 PM
Mammacas hang in there with thr fluids. My scan in the hospital last hemorrhage required a full bladder and not knowing i emptied before the US tech got there oops. Lol im sure they can work with what you have in there. Super hard to hold pee let alone during pregnancy.

Oh no blue :/ im so very sorry. I hope they spontaneously do one for you soon or next appointment.

So sorry to hear you have a UTI :( those are really paunful. Hope you feel really soon!!

As for me, i was just called from my ob's office informing me that my glucose 3hour test first blood draw was high was high. I have to go back for more blood work :/ .I also have to do a diet class but it surprised me that the rest of the blood draws were normal since they asked me to up my carbs and calorie intake 3 three days before. Ugh i hate being pricked or going to 2 hour classes. I dont like going to the docs period.

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Boyzmommy
December 14th, 2015, 06:06 PM
Hopper i m sorry hun u r in pain. Get rest n get better soon.
Mamacass when is ur appointment?


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mammacass
December 14th, 2015, 06:13 PM
My appt is at 330 this afternoon. It's 9am here now for those of you not in Aus [emoji4]
Sorry you are in pain hopper, and bugger about the high glucose yogi - last thing you need!


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Boyzmommy
December 14th, 2015, 06:14 PM
Good luck mamacass. [emoji4]


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TaytumJ
December 14th, 2015, 08:08 PM
Good luck mammacass! You'll have to let us know all about it!

Bluebooties - I was thinking that same thing! Had I not done an NT scan we would have seen baby at 8 weeks and not again until 20. So by doing that we had a little peek which helped the long stretch.

Hopper - oh no!! I hope you're feeling better! Generally when I get a UTI I feel so much better after just a round of antibiotics so I hope you get to feeling better soon. Was your doctor concerned about the UTI effecting the baby? A couple of women I know who had UTIs also had u/s to check on baby.

I had an impromptu appointment today as well. I had a nurse call me over the weekend to sign up for a free pregnancy program through my insurance and through her questions she asked about my discharge and I said sometimes it was watery and gushing randomly. She suggested I call my OB and my OB said to come in and check on it. I got so anxious because I hadn't thought anything of it until that point. And I worried they'd give me an ultrasound and I'd cave and find out gender without DH! [emoji12] Thankfully all is well, it wasn't amniotic fluid, and no ultrasound to temp me haha. She did say on the Doppler as we listened baby was super active!


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Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 09:49 PM
Thanks all !

Hopper i do hope u feel better soon ! Keep up on cranberry juice its helps with uti pain

GL mammacass !

Glad to hear all was well with ur appointment taytum !

signingmommyfor3
December 14th, 2015, 10:55 PM
Looks like I'll be joining you ladies, yay!!!


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Due Date: August 20th
Swayed: :ttcgirl:
Team: Yellow

Bluebooties
December 14th, 2015, 11:46 PM
Yayy ! Welcome and congrats signingmommy !

mammacass
December 15th, 2015, 12:07 AM
Thanks ladies but AARGH damn my forgetfulness since getting prego lol I've just arrived for my US and realised I have left my referral at home, and they won't do it without it. Just rang hubby to hurry up and get home to send it through as I wouldn't get back in time if I were to go. Geez lol

Glad everything is ok with Bub taytum.

Yay!! Welcome signing [emoji4]

Will be back with an update if my hubby can send through referral in time!!!!


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mommymachine
December 15th, 2015, 12:16 AM
Looking forward to your update mammacass!!


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Violet Winter
December 15th, 2015, 01:09 AM
Yay! Welcome Signing!

Mammacass, don't you just love pregnancy brain. Lol! Good luck and cant wait to hear how it all goes.

Taytum glad to hear all went well with your appointment. It's so lovely hearing their heartbeat. :)

mammacass
December 15th, 2015, 06:07 AM
Hi ladies, sorry for the delay - I have been busy with the boys and also trying to process what happened at my scan today. In all honesty I don't really know where I'm at.

After drinking the required amount of water I was struggling and had to release some twice! When the sonographer first started the US she said she could see 2 structures and was confused and wanted to progress to a transvaginal (so much for struggling with my bladder! She showed me our baby with a nice heartbeat but said I wasn't as far along as I thought... from LMP I should be 7+6 and from suspected O 7+3, from the scan she tells me Im only 6+4...She then showed me another rounded structure, she couldn't give me a definite answer of what it is whether its another sac or a bleed but just that it was very rounded and demarcated. she suggested possible was/is twins, possible abnormality of some sort or possible bleed but who knows. She said depending on what it is could mean increased risk of miscarriage/abnormalities - this is before she said she thought it may be a bleed. She looked at my ovaries and said I ovulated from the right and there was only 1 cyst visible. She could not see anything inside the structure.

She said it was likely my Dr will send me for blood HCG levels to see if possibly twins (my hcg levels have never been tested) and she said I will most likely be closely monitored to see if it resolves etc.

I don't know what to think :worry: has anyone heard of something like this before? After 3 very uneventful pregnancies this has me in a bit of a spin!

TaytumJ
December 15th, 2015, 08:50 AM
I'm sorry I don't have any advice mammacass. [emoji17] I hope though that this is something that your doctors can figure out with definite answers and your little bean is growing strong and steady. Lots of love and prayers your way!


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hopper
December 15th, 2015, 09:06 AM
Thanks for your super kind words ladies. I'm still in a lot of pain today and this AM was my first seriously dodgy morning. I didn't throw up but I felt it was a definite possibility. Started to feel ok after about 3 hours and ok since as long as I stay eating. Am contemplating ringing GP again about the pain though, its enough to take my breath away at times and I have an awful pain in my back all day too.

Mammacass I hope you are going to be ok. That is definitely a lot to process but hopefully the BW should give you much needed answers. Thinking of you my dear xxx

Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 09:56 AM
Not sure what it could be mammacass but hopeful u will have answers soon abd i pray its all good news !

Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 10:01 AM
Maybe its a fibroid in ur uterus mammacass ... they r benign

ThreeLittleStars
December 15th, 2015, 10:10 AM
I know that measuring off this early can just be a matter of the sonographer not getting exact measurements cause the baby is still so tiny. My babies both measured a few days behind at first scan at 9 weeks but by 13 were just right and ahead. I also know that often with twins at first early scans they only see one but even a week later, find two. Hope everything works out, twins or not!

Boyzmommy
December 15th, 2015, 10:18 AM
Sorry no help i can give you but hopefully everything turns out fine.


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luvmyfam
December 15th, 2015, 10:54 AM
Congrats and welcome signingmommy!

Mammacass that's frustrating! Hopefully they can tell you soon what's going on and reassure you.:pray::bighug:

hopper
December 15th, 2015, 01:18 PM
Well ladies with my UTI I ended up passing some brown CM so GP sent me to maternity unit where they said there's some leukocytes in my urine so to keep up with the penicillin. Also scanned me and found baby in my uterus with a nice heartbeat! She said I Oed from my left ovary. It was a transvaginal scan and baby was on the right of the screen, I have no idea what that means in terms of Ramzi but I was just overwhelmed to see my sway baby, whether desired gender or opposite, there and heart blinking happily. She has me coming back in 3 weeks, so first week of Jan, for a repeat scan so all going well UTI should be cleared up and pain should be gone! Hectic day, but glad to get that reassurance that baby is OK despite the UTI pain :)

Boyzmommy
December 15th, 2015, 01:26 PM
Good to hear hopper. [emoji106]baby n u r doing great
I booked a private 3d package for three ultrasounds in pregnancy
First session is today. I ll keep u ladies posted. Hope to get gender sneak today.


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mammacass
December 15th, 2015, 03:49 PM
Thank you so much for your words of support ladies. I didn't sleep very well last night trying to get my head around it all. I will ring my Dr today I think and see what she says.

Hopper how nerve racking for you, but glad all is well and you got to see your little one with a nice heartbeat!

Boyz I hope you get some nice pics today [emoji4]

I took some screen shots from my comp I will share of Bub and what I think is the extra thing she is referring to.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/15/d5c6c36feb180b90be8afb62f5146a67.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/15/451ee6733ff01400feec8202b3bc7d83.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/15/4f9d1e2d80fcc85c72dd77e0a058a75f.jpg


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Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 05:08 PM
Is the last pic that extra thing ?

Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 05:09 PM
GL boyz !!

Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 05:09 PM
Great to hear baby is doing well hopper, i do hope u start feeling well soon too !

mammacass
December 15th, 2015, 05:13 PM
I think so bluebooties


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Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 05:17 PM
Hmm u know it could be a twin or a belighted ovum of a possible twin. Fibroids and bleeds r supposed to be hyperechoic on sono meaning all dense/whitish and homogenous but urs has a black inner area meaning fluid and posdibly meaning yolk sac. But just my opinion.
Hope u hear good news from your doc

Bluebooties
December 15th, 2015, 05:20 PM
And given ur baby is at 6weeks maybe the twin is a few days behind and so no fetal pole or HR seen yet ... FX its good news and u get to hear twins !!

TaytumJ
December 15th, 2015, 05:40 PM
Keep us updated on what your doc says mammacass!

Good luck at your appointment Boyz! Let us know!


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Violet Winter
December 15th, 2015, 07:14 PM
Mammacass I hope you get some answers from your doc soon. Thinking of you hun. Xx

Hopper glad bub is doing well but really hope you're feeling better soon.

Goodluck Boyz at your appointment.

Boyzmommy
December 15th, 2015, 07:30 PM
Mamacass it seems like twins or blighted ovum to me. But keep us updated.
I went to have a scan and she offered me an extra free scan bcoz she saw a penis first and then said it ws a cord baby was literally holding. Then she ws 70% sure it ws a girl due to seeing three lines like hamburger but she said Even cord can have three light lines. So after approx 45 mins of anxiety and palpitations. She told me to come back and she ll do a free scan in two weeks. I guess the little guy / girl is not ready to show the parts to mommy.
One hand was constantly btw legs.
He was moving a lot.
I have a question. Is it not easy to see penis at almost 14 weeks without problem on 3d?



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Boyzmommy
December 15th, 2015, 07:37 PM
I ll post pictures tomorrow as they haven't emailed me yet


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Violet Winter
December 15th, 2015, 09:35 PM
Boyz that must have been so nerve racking for you. I would be going crazy. I hope bub co-operates next scan and you see girl.

7 week 4 days today and feeling a bit crappy today which is reassuring. Still haven't built up the courage to see a doctor yet. I've been so busy with work and the lead up to xmas. Once things die down after xmas I might see the doctor then.

Boyzmommy
December 15th, 2015, 09:39 PM
Yeah violet. It was really very disturbing to be in the middle and feeling sad one moment and another she was saying theres still hope.
But you know wht i was looking at the baby n he ws so active and waving relaxing. I kinda love him and i guess i ll be ok with wht ever it is but surely will miss having a daughter


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yogi&booboo
December 15th, 2015, 10:19 PM
Sorry you are going through all of of this Mammacass. I hope you get the answers you need so you can feel at ease soon.


Boyzmommy Congratulations!!! Thats amazing that you heard girl. :)

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Boyzmommy
December 15th, 2015, 10:29 PM
Yogi i wish [emoji85]
She didnt say anything confirmative and told me its 50/50.
She wasnt sure if its a cord or genitals[emoji17]


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netti02
December 16th, 2015, 12:05 AM
Fx boyzmommy.

Sorry you are going through this mammacass. Hopefully you hear something from the dr today.

Im just cruising along trying to manage this nausea disgusting taste in my mouth that nothing fixes. Ive found sparkling mineral water helps and thats about it. Will be so glad for this stage to hopefully pass....

Mum to 4 Boys awaiting her Princess

mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 12:41 AM
And given ur baby is at 6weeks maybe the twin is a few days behind and so no fetal pole or HR seen yet ... FX its good news and u get to hear twins !!

I have been wondering that today also, was just a bit concerned that I am measuring that much less than I thought and also that the second "sac" is a fair bit smaller than the other. I suppose if it's behind the other you would expect it to be smaller? Or also wondering if it's a vanishing twin. Then I decide maybe it's something completely different lol oh well what's meant to be will be I guess [emoji4]

I rang my dr this morning and unfortunately she isn't in until tomorrow so will hear from her then.

Thankyou everyone [emoji8]


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mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 12:46 AM
Oh wow boyz what an emotional roller coaster! Hard being told one and then the other - did she get a potty shot to share? hopefully you will get a definate answer at the next scan [emoji4]

Sorry you are feeling crappy Violet and netti x




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ThreeLittleStars
December 16th, 2015, 07:46 AM
Omg its two boys! So grateful and happy everything looks healthy so far as well. I had been picturing a boy and a girl for the last few weeks because I thought one of the nubs looked girly maybe, so I'm kind of letting go of that "dream" and getting used to this one, but will be nice for them to have a brother :). So excited and may seems SO far away. Just hope everything goes well until then, been worrying about preterm labor a lot.

TaytumJ
December 16th, 2015, 07:51 AM
Congrats 3LS!! How exciting!! [emoji170][emoji170] A friend of mine just had b/b twins and they're so cute! [emoji4]


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Fiya
December 16th, 2015, 08:44 AM
OMG Threelittlestars, that's amazing news! So happy for you your sway was succesful. I think it's a good thing it is 2 boys, because 2 against 4 girls will be less of a challenge :highfive:

ThreeLittleStars
December 16th, 2015, 08:55 AM
I totally agree. I think mostly I just wanted to experience what it's like having a girl without the desire for a boy, you know?? But I'm really happy, just for different reasons :). Thanks!

hopper
December 16th, 2015, 11:00 AM
OMG 3LS that is just wonderful news!!! Huge congrats on your boys!! I am definitely a fan of an Atomic quote I saw a few months ago which was "boys should come in pairs" Its definitely true, they will bring you so much joy! Xxx

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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 11:15 AM
Awww congrats 3little[emoji93]s. I m so happy for u. Yayyyy[emoji122]🏼[emoji122]🏼[emoji122]🏼[emoji122]🏼[emoji122]🏼[emoji122]🏼


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Bluebooties
December 16th, 2015, 11:24 AM
Yayyy 3littlestars how awesome ! Congratulations !

Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 11:53 AM
Mammacass yeah it is emotionally difficult but i have given up now on worrying. I couldnt sleep honestly was having dreams of ultrasounds all night. [emoji16][emoji85] i need it to be over and wanna know wht it is. I guess a boy as i saw something btw legs protruding


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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 12:03 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/01a4ea3b54f1248a7471e2d03f22cb88.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/7b6679a17895c81af4deeb05c0235771.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/4342a3cdc23688f08bea70acab073b65.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/db4a344350b4a10cc794a6e2530b620a.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/e77399669b5655d73a92349aebe9323d.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/4b7295a30b4c76ad7377d0e6206df4b2.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/5dbac216b129f6cae38b48757f4b2c40.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/a4a11168b3292a038346088ecda0aed8.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/f95a9a4a5aa7ab71e3fbc07de32686a9.jpg

Have a look ladies. From last picture it looks like a penis between legs
What do you say?opinions needed plz




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Bluebooties
December 16th, 2015, 12:05 PM
Clueless boyz ! But i must say a very cute baby u have there !

Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 12:06 PM
Bluebooties the ladt pic has something btw legs. Doesnt it look like a penis


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Fiya
December 16th, 2015, 12:42 PM
So cute boyzmommy. He/she is already so perfect at this stage of pregnancy. It's amazing. I have no clue though. I see something between the legs, but not sure it is a penis

Bluebooties
December 16th, 2015, 12:43 PM
It does but it could still be swollen girl parts so i am not too sure

Fiya
December 16th, 2015, 12:44 PM
It could be swollen girl parts

Fiya
December 16th, 2015, 12:44 PM
We think alike bluebooties :giggle:

Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 12:46 PM
Thanks bluebooties and fiya. I was thinking the same but didnt want to put my hopes up. I hope so they are swollen girly parts.


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yogi&booboo
December 16th, 2015, 01:16 PM
Omg its two boys! So grateful and happy everything looks healthy so far as well. I had been picturing a boy and a girl for the last few weeks because I thought one of the nubs looked girly maybe, so I'm kind of letting go of that "dream" and getting used to this one, but will be nice for them to have a brother :). So excited and may seems SO far away. Just hope everything goes well until then, been worrying about preterm labor a lot.
Congratulations Threelittlestars this is amazing news! I hope you have a healthy rest of your pregnancy that flies by super fast♡

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yogi&booboo
December 16th, 2015, 01:19 PM
Boyzmommy your last 2D picture looks like a little hamburger. It almost looks like my last daughter's pregnancy ♡

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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 01:22 PM
Oh my yogi thanks a lot. That what tech was thinking when she said girl but then she said hold on. It could b the cord which has veins in it and sometimes looks like three lines.
But i m hoping it is like ur daughter. [emoji8]


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hopper
December 16th, 2015, 01:26 PM
I am no good here Boyz but those pics look nothing like my boys 3D photos! You could blatantly see the penis in every shot. I can see something between the legs but I think I one pic it looks like the cord! When are you going back for your next scan?

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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 01:39 PM
She said in a week or two. I never had 3 d with my boys so i have no clue. I Hope its a girl. But thanks hopper i ur comments ladies makes me a little bit st peace n less anxious. Atleast i have someone to talk to [emoji120]🏻


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mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oh wow 3LS, what a dream come true for you, healthy and 2 boys to boot! I so hope I get my desired gender also, as I hope all of us ladies do x

Such adorable pictures boyz, I find it very difficult to tell gender on 3/4D images and find normal 2D easier. I can't remember exact gestation u r at (on my ph so not sure if u have a ticker etc) but with the 2D it would need to be a potty shot, 3 lines only would only count in that position I believe xx


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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 03:42 PM
Mamacass i m 14 weeks. Three lines were from potty shots but technician didn't give me any of those shots coz she thought its the cord showing veins in it. I find all ultrasound difficult to read [emoji85]


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Violet Winter
December 16th, 2015, 03:51 PM
Yay, congratulations 3littlestars!!!! That's fantastic news! I'm really happy for you.

Boyz they are such adorable photos pitty the tech couldn't see any parts. I'm thinking girl from the pics. :wink:

Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 03:52 PM
Thanks violet. I hope ur thinking is right[emoji120]🏻


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mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 04:01 PM
Sounds promising boyz, can't wait for your next scan [emoji4]


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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dhe said i can come next week or after Christmas. Up to me. I guess i want to wait. What do you ladies say?


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Fiya
December 16th, 2015, 04:23 PM
I would go back as soon as possible, but I am an impatient person. What's your exact gestation when she proposes you to come back?

Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 06:37 PM
Fiya i m just like you. She said usually she can guess gender with 99% success rate but my baby was not co operative as cord ws in middle of his legs all the time. I even walked for 15 mins for baby to change place.
She said its up to me i can come at 15 week which is next week or at 16 to be sure.
But two more weeks are going to make me crazy. But then i dont want it to be another useless scan. I m afraid to hear its a boy[emoji85]


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mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 07:18 PM
I would prob go at 15wks :)

I have just spoken to my gp and the report that was sent to her stated that it is a haematoma and didn't mention any possibility of it being anything else.... Must have been an inexperienced tech do you think? My dr didn't think it was any cause for concern and I won't get another scan until the 12 wk nuchal US


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netti02
December 16th, 2015, 07:32 PM
Could have been mammacass. I always like to wait til i see the report.

My nuchal is in a few more weeks. The 12week mark is right on christmas so had to juggle it for after new years.

Congrats 3ls.

Boyzmommy fx you get a definite answer when you go next xx

Mum to 4 Boys awaiting her Princess

Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 08:00 PM
Thanks netti. Mamacass i m happy it was not a matter of concern.
Best of luck netti for ur nt scan


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Bluebooties
December 16th, 2015, 08:44 PM
Glad it wasnt anything of concern mammacass

Violet Winter
December 16th, 2015, 09:40 PM
Mammacass I'm so relieved for you. Sounds like the tech was a little inexperienced and probably shouldn't have said anything to you. So did the doc say much about bub measuring behind? Could you have your O date wrong or was the tech that bad that she was way off with her measurements.

mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 09:58 PM
Im not sure Violet I'm a bit confused but just relieved Bub is fine :) I did have a temp around ovulation but with her dates I don't feel I wouldn't have been able to conceive as the last BD was 6 days beforehand. I will post a pic of my chart. It has O on CD 18, she would put it at CD 24. Last BD was CD 18 in am. I do wish she hadn't said if she wasn't sure as there is still a small part of me wondering lol


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mammacass
December 16th, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sorry here is my chart http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/37d48e8f18bf694d9e5da00fca77001d.jpg


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yogi&booboo
December 16th, 2015, 10:09 PM
That's amazing new Mammacass!!
I wouldn't put too much thought into measurements. All my scans which have been quite a few have never measured the same and have never given me the same dur dates. Some 5 days ahead, some a few days behind. The pareneotologist put me a day ahead than my first original due date. Big hugs to you! I know its never easy to take in when something doesnt match up or looks out of the norm. Hang in there ♡

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Violet Winter
December 16th, 2015, 10:14 PM
I'm sure your O date is right. Sorry I'm no good with charts, I've always gone by cm and o pains. Hehe. I just really hope she was that bad that she was off with the measurements. She shouldn't have said anything, they're not trained doctors and probably don't reslise that what they say can upset us women. This is exactly the reason why I don't like the early scans myself. After my losses and all the scans they would only stress me out more and I would over analyze everything to the point of not sleeping.

My thoughts and prayers are with mammacass. :HH: xx

yogi&booboo
December 16th, 2015, 10:19 PM
Alright ladies I have scheduled my private scan next Tuesday. I am super nervous and I have been mentally preparing my husband and two oldest daughter's and I have been asking them to be equally happy if its a girl or boy. We are taking my youngest with us who will find out about my pregnancy then since we haven't told her because she is very outspoken and we have had a few gatherings and parties since I found out I was pregnant and im sure everyone would know by now. I am ok with hearing girl, I really just don't want to hear sadness and pitty from anyone. I know this baby will be loved unconditionally when born but I have been through so much in these short few weeks and I dont think my heart would take it if I saw any expression other than happiness. I am extremely contemplating if I should go now for a scan while the dh is at work and kids are at school and if it's a girl I can just tell them in advance so they wont go with high hopes. This is too much to take in and my wheels are turning trying to think how to handle this situation :(

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Boyzmommy
December 16th, 2015, 10:22 PM
Aww sweet yogi i have similar feelings like you. A part of me wants a girl so bad but i dont want anyone to feel sad n pity for me. I can totally relate to ur feelings n understand how you feel.
How far are u ?


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Bluebooties
December 16th, 2015, 11:46 PM
Well my friend just announced that she is due with her third boy yayyy ! ... she might be going through GD right now but i feel its just amazing that she has 3 boys ... perspective changes everything doesnt it ?

Bambi_twins
December 17th, 2015, 02:46 AM
Wanted to say hi! Think I'm due in August have an early scan today. I'm having a little girl she's a high tech baby. Good luck to all for h&h pregnancies [emoji173]️[emoji173]️


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yogi&booboo
December 17th, 2015, 03:40 AM
Aww sweet yogi i have similar feelings like you. A part of me wants a girl so bad but i dont want anyone to feel sad n pity for me. I can totally relate to ur feelings n understand how you feel.
How far are u ?


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Im ok thank you for asking. Being super cautious in all moves I make as I fear any kind of bleed :/ going through lots of emotions trying to find out what i am having. I wish i could get past week 20 so I can be somewhat at ease. How are you? How are you feeling so far?

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Fiya
December 17th, 2015, 04:13 AM
@Bambi-twins: congrats on your little girl. Enjoy your scan today. Keep us posted.

@yogi & boyzmommy: I feel just like you about the pity feelings from people around me (close or less close). All will be over the moon if it's a girl, but how will they react if it's another boy?

I was talking to my sister yesterday and I asked her what gender she thought it would be, and she just said: probably a boy, right? And that made me sad. She knows I was on LE diet, but she has no hope whatsoever. Just to prove her wrong, I want this to be my little girl. She has no kids yet and she's 28, so I don't know if she really understands.

10 weeks today, I'm happy. I have a scan on Monday to see if baby has grown well. I'm sooooooo impatient.

Bambi_twins
December 17th, 2015, 04:32 AM
Thanks Fiya, will you do harmony test to determine gender? I'm hoping you get your princess xx


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Fiya
December 17th, 2015, 04:39 AM
No, no harmony for me. I live in France and it's not common to do this screening overhere. I will have a scan at 13w+1 with hopely a beautiful nub and another one at 15+3 to determine the gender of this baby. I actually wanted to go to barcelona for a non-invasive blood screening, but my hubby thought this was a bit too much just before Christmas. So I try very hard to be patient, which I'm not!

mammacass
December 17th, 2015, 05:04 AM
Thankyou ladies [emoji120]🏻

Oh wow yogi wishing you luck! Totally understandable being super nervous. I am also the same and worried about others reactions/comments and would resent anyone showing pity.

Wow bee, 6 days b4 O, that's amazing [emoji4] Sucks that you couldn't have your scan when DH would be able to come along. Would be hard not finding out if it's only you in the room lol

Welcome bambi and congrats on your girl

Good luck with your scan Monday Fiya [emoji4]


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Bluebooties
December 17th, 2015, 08:56 AM
Congrats on ur baby girl bambi and welcome !

GL yogi with ur scan. So exciting. I am like u ladies too. Scans give me panic attacks since i know they can (i hope they dont) take away my last hope that this baby might be my first baby boy !

Bluebooties
December 17th, 2015, 08:57 AM
So in a way its good that my scan is so far out. Atleast i can hold to my hope a little longer :)

TaytumJ
December 17th, 2015, 09:04 AM
Bambi - Congrats on your little girl - how exciting! Hope your scan goes well also; keep us posted! [emoji177]

Bee - I feel the SAME WAY! My anatomy scan is Jan 5th (I'll be 20+2) but DH is going with. He really wants to stay team green so I know we won't be peeking. But I don't know if I'd have to will power alone! [emoji6]

Boyz - I'm terrible at u/s, but a friend of mine had a scan and she thought she saw boy parts and they ended up being swollen girl parts. Hope the same for you - can't wait to find out!

Yogi - good luck with you scan! Hoping against all hope that it's your little blue bean. [emoji170]

Fiya - I think some people just don't want others to get what they want (or THEY want that themselves). My brother is four years younger than me, not married, and when talking about the baby, he keeps saying, "You better not have the first boy - that's what I'm suppose to do!" Too bad buddy! Haha. No one knows I swayed, but my mom and MIL think it's a boy too.

I'm 17+5 today and I think I've been feeling baby move! At night after dinner I'll get little stomach twitches, below my belly button. It's so interesting because I was thinking it would be butterflies, but it sounds like every woman feels something different. So cool though!


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yogi&booboo
December 17th, 2015, 10:50 AM
Fiya,
Exactly and you couldnt have put it better. Other's reactions can affect us really badly.

Im sorry you didn't get the answer you expected from your sis. I'd at least try to make an effort since she knew how much work uou put into it. Sorry and big hugs and I am keeping my fingers crossed you get to prove her wrong ♡

Thank you desrly mammacas ♡♡♡ I am glad I am not alone :(

Bluebooties hang in there and big hugs. I am almost positive you have a beautiful baby boy in the making ♡

Thank you Taytum ♡ Super awesome you have been feeling your little baby move. I honestly never thought I would feel any movement till past 15 weeks but amazingly I have been feeling movement starting at 12. Super weird but an amazing feeling and according to the pareneotologist it's common to feel movement earlier after multiple pregnancies. I get at least one to thee nice kicks a day.

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yogi&booboo
December 17th, 2015, 10:51 AM
Wanted to say hi! Think I'm due in August have an early scan today. I'm having a little girl she's a high tech baby. Good luck to all for h&h pregnancies [emoji173]️[emoji173]️


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Congratulations and Welcome Bambi!♡

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Boyzmommy
December 17th, 2015, 02:47 PM
I m good yogi. I m feeling fine except from extreme tiredness and fatigue. Thts due to low iron i guess. Other than tht neausea is pretty bad but no Vomitings.

@ fiya One of my close friend just told me yesterday that she thinks it's another boy for me n she knows how much i want a girl. She has three daughters. I have no idea how could you just b blunt when you have been through it urself. Gl with scan[emoji120]🏻

@ bambi congrats girl[emoji106]
@taytum thanks for guessing girl n giving me hope [emoji4]


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Boyzmommy
December 17th, 2015, 02:51 PM
Yogi sorry i forgot are u staying green?


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yogi&booboo
December 17th, 2015, 03:26 PM
Look at the positive Boyzmommy is that you get to sleep in a little extra. Have you i always ended anemic with all of my girls as I showed if with my Pica for excessive ice chewing. Try lentil soup, i hear its super high in iron. I have also read that vitamin b6 is great with nausea. Maybe that can help a little too? Really hope you feel better soon.

Im team yellow :)) definitely county the days, hours, minutes to find out.

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Boyzmommy
December 17th, 2015, 05:27 PM
I thought i would share my 13+6 weeks bump with u ladies


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Boyzmommy
December 17th, 2015, 05:28 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/17/cb8fc45d31ddbd82014468239fd5df4a.jpg


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yogi&booboo
December 17th, 2015, 06:30 PM
Super cute Bump Boyzmommy ♡

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Boyzmommy
December 17th, 2015, 06:34 PM
Thanks yogi


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mammacass
December 17th, 2015, 10:24 PM
You look great boyz x


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yogi&booboo
December 18th, 2015, 12:23 AM
Alright ladies I need some opinions. My mother in law had told me last week that her brothers daughter ( my dh's cousin) had announced her pregnancy at her son's birthday last Saturday & was about the same weeks as I. I was just told today that she had a miscarriage :(
I had planned on if all goes well to announce mine after ai found out the gender. Now I feel like laying low till late January as I feel terrible and I dont want her to feel as if I am rubbing it in. What do you girls think? Should i wait or announce it as planned?

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Bambi_twins
December 18th, 2015, 02:54 AM
That's such a cute bump boyzmommy! Yogi that's such a tricky situation, I suppose it depends how close you are to her and the family? It might be better to wait though? I'm not telling anyone until i'm 24 weeks though so I'm a fan of waiting! Haha.

I had my early scan yesterday I'm 7 weeks and due 4th August! very excited to meet my little princess [emoji178][emoji178]


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mammacass
December 18th, 2015, 03:28 AM
I agree it's a tricky one yogi, I'm kinda dreading announcing to a friend of mine who had a loss also, so I know where u r coming from. Totally your call though, do you spend much time with her? I think if I didn't really see her very often I would prob still announce [emoji4]


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yogi&booboo
December 18th, 2015, 03:51 AM
Thank you Bambi :) How awesome that you got your ealry scan. Hope you have a little princess cooking in there.

Thank you mammacas ♡
I personally am not close hut we see each ither at every gathering, party, holidays, bbqs as my dh's fam is huge :/
I'd love to keep it a secret but I know my inlaws wont. My SIL already told me told one person, and it seems as though this secret wont be hidden much longer. Also after all of my crazy placenta previa bleedings, which my MIL knows about, I saw his family this past Saturday and they all seemed extra helpful as I am celebrating my youngest daughter's birthday this weekend. Everyone offered to help and ai asked my inlaws if they had shared the news. Both denied it saying they said i was feeling under the weather but ai beg to differ and I am almost positive something has already leaked. I guess ill have to wait till after the scan too see if i want to share it. For now ill say it will remain a secret
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Bambi_twins
December 18th, 2015, 04:09 AM
Oh if they are telling people I would defo break the news yourself. Not nice for someone else to share your news!!

She's defo a princess yogi I had IVF and knew the gender when I popped her back in! Xx


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Boysboys
December 18th, 2015, 08:13 AM
Hey girls! Just wanted to pop in and tell everyone we are indeed having a baby GIRL! I would've put a million dollars that this is a girl but I'm still in shock and so thankful. I had a light sway by the time month 3/4 came along but I still think it made it happen! We had our gender reveal last night, I tired to upload the video but it wouldn't work!!!

Boyzmommy
December 18th, 2015, 09:38 AM
Yay congrats boysboys. I could imagine how wonderful i must have felt


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Bluebooties
December 18th, 2015, 09:51 AM
Congratulations boysboys ! Such awesome news !

Yogi its up to u. But if u think the new has keaked then u might as well tell urself ! But will that cousion be invited to the party ? I guess if she is then i would wait and not tell, her sorrow is still fresh

yogi&booboo
December 18th, 2015, 03:50 PM
Congratulations Boysboys!! Thats wonderful news. I wish you a super healthy rest of your pregnancy. :)

Bambi I agree it's not cool but I am so used to his family being so gossipy and spreading other peoples private information as soon as they hear it. Omg no way thats amazing to know the gender before hand. Congratulations again ♡

Bluebooties she will be at the party this weekend and her mom and sisters too :/ I will also see them for Christmas and New years. Definitely going to keep in the low. It breaks my heart when I hear others miscarry and I feel by rubbing it in or announcing something like this would give me a bad joojoo :(

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mammacass
December 18th, 2015, 04:27 PM
Congrats again boysboys! I can only imagine how ecstatic you must be feeling and hope I can share the same experience. Have you posted your sway? Also wondering how you did your gender reveal? Sorry for all the questions lol [emoji4]


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mammacass
December 18th, 2015, 04:28 PM
Hmm yes yogi if she will be there at party and at Xmas then I agree with holding off. Hard I know x


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mammacass
December 18th, 2015, 04:42 PM
I have been feeling extreme fatigue and all day queasiness the last few days. I still haven't finished my Christmas shopping and the thought of hitting the shops is just too much ha ha


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mommymachine
December 18th, 2015, 06:29 PM
Congrats boysboys!!! That is such great news.

Violet Winter
December 18th, 2015, 06:51 PM
Congratulations boysboys! That's fantastic news. Now you can go shopping for lots of gorgeous girl clothes. :)

Yogi I personally would hold off a little longer. Its a hard one and its up to you.

I know how you feel mammacass. :( I have trouble sleeping at night lately and I'm not sure why. I'm extremely tired all the time but can't sleep. Plus today is DS1 5th birthday party. So much to do!

Bluebooties
December 18th, 2015, 07:21 PM
The height of torture ! There were no openings for sonogram till my 22nd week ! Arrrgh so nearly 6 weeks to wait to find out ...

luvmyfam
December 19th, 2015, 06:51 AM
Congrats ThreeLittleStars!! That's amazing news!!

Boyz I'm not sure about your scan but I do get girly vibes.

Congrats on your little girl bambi!!

Good luck at your scan yogi!!

Afm, I had a blood draw for the Harmony test today. All is going well but Im still utterly exhausted!! Thought I was going to be anemic like I was in my last pregnancy but my labs were normal!

luvmyfam
December 19th, 2015, 06:58 AM
Oh and congrats boysboys!! I must have missed your post. That's so exciting!

hopper
December 19th, 2015, 09:16 AM
Huge congrats boysboys!!! I can only imagine how wonderful you must feel! Delighted for you :) Anyone else finding out soon girls?

Oh yogi that is a tough situation my dear!! I would lie low and keep it to myself if you will be seeing her a lot over the holidays. It might make for an even more awkward situation, hopefully your in laws have indeed kept it to them selves but if it DOES leak and she hears your news that is NOT on you. You have had a tough run of it yourself of late so be kind to yourself xxx

mammacass I'm feeling the exact same lol. Nausous all week and oh so tired!! A little less nauseous today and yesterday and am feeling super duper crampy so finding it hard not to imagine negative stuff.

I rang one of the clinics in the area that do gender scans and was told the earliest she would see me was my 20th week! Ugh, I can't be dealing with waiting that long - that's mid March at the earliest. But at the same time I can't justify the cost of the harmony testing...and also my DH's sister has Downs and his niece has Downs and I have to say part of me is afraid of what the test may reveal...I'm probably being silly, right? I think the odds at my age are like 1 in just under 400 but thats higher when theres a family history. I'm reallly finding myself worrying a lot about it at this stage, I couldn't tell you why. The idea never entered my head when pg with my boys :(

Bluebooties
December 19th, 2015, 12:27 PM
We should update the list on the first page with all the ppl starting to get there gender confirmations.

Boyzmommy
December 19th, 2015, 12:46 PM
Thanks luvmyfam and ladies. I hope ur vibes are right


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Boyzmommy
December 19th, 2015, 12:47 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/19/eb37c17d96e5bddae8c2c6c8d5c12228.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/19/39909171ceccdd38a21a1dc3164afaf8.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/19/06b6f054f98b4939558895bc3555b2c5.jpg

I thought i didnt post these pics. I would like to share. Guesses welcome


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Boyzmommy
December 19th, 2015, 12:48 PM
Baby was lying on stomach. I inverted them


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Bluebooties
December 19th, 2015, 03:50 PM
Cute baby boyz ! I dont see any clues though

mammacass
December 19th, 2015, 05:15 PM
I hope the birthday party went well Violet! Such a busy time of year hey and hard for us to keep up energy wise lol

Oh bluebooties that WOULD be torture! Are there any other places that could get you in earlier? I think I will book in really early now thinking about this. I see my dr on thurs and will get referral for 12 and 20wk scans so will ring and book straight away [emoji4]

How exciting luvmyfam how long do they think it will take to get results back? Also I'm curious about how you get the results? Are they sent to your dr and then they tell you?

Hopper we can whinge together ha ha hopefully the crampiness is just bean snuggling in and making itself known [emoji4] I'm suprised the earliest you can get a gender scan is 20wks, maybe try a few other clinics? In relation to the downs, will you be having the combined nuchal test at 12 wks? It's only natural to worry about these things, especially if you have close family members affected x




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Bluebooties
December 19th, 2015, 05:41 PM
No there arnt many options available close to where i live. Its a small town.

Boysboys
December 19th, 2015, 07:50 PM
I haven't posted my sway yet! I will though. :)

28995

We lit up a pink Christmas tree for our reveal. So wish I could upload video! Here's a pic though.

It is still sinking in that we will have a little princess! I would've bet a million dollars this was a girl since we saw her on the first ultrasound but you still have that tiny bit of doubt in the back of your mind! I hope everyone gets to experience these feelings!! Has anyone else found out gender?! I'm so behind, we have been crazy busy!

Boysboys
December 19th, 2015, 07:51 PM
Boyz, I don't see any gender clues... Wish I did! I think I'm a pro at nub theory now I obsessed over so many nubs!lol Both Ramzi were right for my boys and this pregnancy and the nub theory was accurate for this pregnancy!! It's fun to guess!

Boysboys
December 19th, 2015, 08:23 PM
https://www.facebook.com/natalie.glennpody/videos/10206808709028818/

Try this video! :)

ThreeLittleStars
December 20th, 2015, 12:37 AM
Boyz, I don't think nub theory works when baby is upside down :/

Boyzmommy
December 20th, 2015, 12:55 AM
Oh ok 3littlestars


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luvmyfam
December 20th, 2015, 02:45 AM
Boyz all of these pics are killing me lol!! When will be your next scan? Can't wait!

Mammacass, they said 7-10 business days. They said they will call me with the results. I told them I don't want to be told gender over the phone and they are going to seal it in an envelope and we will pick it up at our next appointment. We also scheduled a scan just for fun and DH and I decided we will go to the ultrasound together then have a date night and have a mini gender reveal just the two of us. I will be 13 weeks.

Boysboys that is adorable! Beautiful family!! Love the pink Christmas tree idea :). So exciting!

Bluebooties so sorry they won't do it earlier! That is such a bummer! I didn't find out with the boys until 21 weeks.

Boyzmommy
December 20th, 2015, 11:08 AM
Luvmyfam. Yup its killing me too. I ll try to book it before christmas if they have time


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yogi&booboo
December 20th, 2015, 12:28 PM
Mammacas I don't blame you :( hope your fatigue goes away soon♡

Violet I am really highly considering it. I am going to talk to the dh and see what he thinks about it.

Thank you bee ♡ can you call the sonogram locations back and ask if they have a cancellation; could they squeeze you in?

Thank you Hopper ♡ I would do the test just to keep my mind at ease ♡ can they make am exception for an early ultrasound?

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mammacass
December 20th, 2015, 04:08 PM
Such a beautiful picture boysboys, love it! Unfortunately the link didn't work for me though x

Thankyou for the info luvmyfam. In an envelope to take home sounds much nice than over the phone [emoji4]


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signingmommyfor3
December 21st, 2015, 10:07 AM
So my first appointment has been set up for Jan 13th. I'll be 8 weeks and some change then and they will do a dating ultrasound then. I can't wait to the point that I want to go to one of the clinics that do free ultrasound for confirmation just to see my baby and make sure a sticky bean is still there. I'm so impatient.

fefecooks
December 21st, 2015, 10:24 AM
First ultrasound reported no heartbeat at 9 weeks. Baby measuring 8 weeks. Minor cramping and light spotting. Waiting for temp to drop below coverline to miscarry naturally. I wish you guys all the best in your pregnancies!

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Bluebooties
December 21st, 2015, 10:34 AM
Oh no fefe so sorry to hear of ur loss ! Hugs. I went through the same thing at 12 weeks past april and i can understand how hard it can be. Stay strong and think positive

yogi&booboo
December 21st, 2015, 02:03 PM
I am deeply sorry fefe :*( I pray for you strength and healing. Big hugs to you

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has2gentlemen
December 21st, 2015, 04:09 PM
Hi again ladies. After my loss back in Nov, we got another bfp last week and I'm tentatively joining you ladies again. I just scheduled my first appointment for Jan 5 and the nurse thinks I'm around 6 weeks. I've been spotting lightly since getting the bfp, so I could use some positive thoughts that we'll get good news at the appointment.


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luvmyfam
December 21st, 2015, 04:45 PM
Fefe I'm so sorry. I can't imagine what you're going through. Big hugs.


Has2 I'm so happy to see you back here. Hoping and praying you have a sticky little bean!

Bluebooties
December 21st, 2015, 04:46 PM
Has2 this is such an amazing news congrats !!
Its natural to worry but spotting doesnt always mean bad news. Peayers that it stops and u get a good rise in ur HCG counts and a nice strong HB on sono

mommymachine
December 21st, 2015, 05:28 PM
Fefe I am so so sorry:( I pray you get your rainbow baby very soon. I will move you to angel babies if you would like.

Has2 that is great news. Did you want me to add you to the front?

If I have missed adding anyone please pm me!

AFM: I have such intense baby fever, and I still have to wait 6 more months!!! My NT scan last week was great. I loved seeing baby. My next ultrasound is February 1st. I will be just over 19 weeks. Still not sure if we will be finding out or not!

mommymachine
December 21st, 2015, 05:42 PM
Here is my NT picture!http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/21/c3c834f13ed39ce1605d5ac4bd953651.jpg

Early though! Only 12 weeks 2 days.


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Poptart32
December 21st, 2015, 06:38 PM
Boysboys such a lush picture! Congratulations!

Quickly dipping in to say im feeling sooooo tired and sick all the time [emoji42][emoji40] I feel exactly as I did with the boys!! Gone off certain meats and craving milky creamy things (as I don't drink a lot of milk normally I must lack calcium?) feel certain it's another boy!

Am going for an early scan tomorrow in hope of seeing a heartbeat so I can announce to the family Christmas Day [emoji4][emoji319]


DS #1 [emoji170]DS #2 [emoji170] ttc #3 using a girl sway [emoji175][emoji170]

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Boyzmommy
December 21st, 2015, 06:46 PM
Mommymachne cute little baby


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Boyzmommy
December 21st, 2015, 06:46 PM
Popart i hve same cravings. Hate meat n love milky stuff


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Bluebooties
December 21st, 2015, 06:51 PM
Mommymachine my next scan is on feb 1st as well but i will be 22+ weeks then

Bluebooties
December 21st, 2015, 06:53 PM
I normally go off meat too when pregnant but this time i cant get enough of red meat. Making steak for dinner tonight

Poptart32
December 21st, 2015, 07:12 PM
Thanks boyz! You don't know what you're having yet do you? You're further along than me I know that. I saw your cute bump pic [emoji7]


DS #1 [emoji170]DS #2 [emoji170] ttc #3 using a girl sway [emoji175][emoji170]

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Violet Winter
December 21st, 2015, 09:43 PM
Fefe I'm so sorry to read this has happened. Please take care and be kind to yourself. I pray your sticky bean is not far off.

Congrats Has2 fingers crossed this is your rainbow baby.

Mommymachine what a gorgeous ultrasound pic.

Poptart good luck for tomorrow! That would be wonderful to announce to your family on xmas day. I don't really have any cravings or aversions yet. Although I do keep my pockets full of gummy lollies to try to keep the nausea at bay. :giggle:

Violet Winter
December 21st, 2015, 10:21 PM
8wks 3days and so far have just felt tired and nauseous that is until today. I just had my first date with the toilet bowl. Lol. I'd been feeling really unwell all day and thought maybe some slices of toast would help, boy was I wrong! The minute I finished the toast I was running to the bathroom. I really hope it doesn't get any worse and not on Christmas day. Although it does give me reassurance that it's a sticky one. :fingers:

Bluebooties
December 21st, 2015, 10:24 PM
Hope u feel better and the MS doesnt stay for long for u violet

mammacass
December 22nd, 2015, 04:03 AM
So sorry to read your update fefe, big hugs xx

Welcome has2! Hope this is a sticky bean for you x

Beautiful picture of Bub mommymachine, did you happen to get a good look at the nub during the US? Any clues as to gender?

Hope you are feeling better soon poptart, good luck at the scan tomorrow! I am thinking I may also announce to family Christmas Day [emoji4]

Sorry to hear you are also feeling unwell Violet, hope it doesn't intensify for you x


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Violet Winter
December 22nd, 2015, 04:29 AM
Thank you bluebooties and mammacass. I'm running on very little sleep so think that might have something to do with it. Mammacass have you found the energy to finish your Christmas shopping?

mammacass
December 22nd, 2015, 04:45 AM
Proud to say I got it all done today lol though I still have to wrap it all, clean the house and then cook for all our guests Christmas Day!


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Violet Winter
December 22nd, 2015, 04:59 AM
What a great effort Mamma! Try to get some rest in between all chaos. Lol! :)

Fiya
December 22nd, 2015, 05:29 AM
Hi ladies,

I had an amazing ultrasound yesterday at 10w4d. Our baby definitely is a beauty. It was moving during the whole scan and it just looked perfect.

The heartbeat was 171 and at some pics I can see a forked nub, but too early to say anything about the angle. However, the skull looks girly to me on some pictures, so I keep my fingers crossed for our next scan on the 8th of January.

Poptart32
December 22nd, 2015, 08:16 AM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/22/7a0d4a3700f1cc15f24612a28db10d68.jpg

Any ramzi pro's examine my splodge lol? It was an internal scan which identified a healthy lil heartbeat [emoji173]️


DS #1 [emoji170]DS #2 [emoji170] ttc #3 using a girl sway [emoji175][emoji170]

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mammacass
December 22nd, 2015, 08:36 AM
Beautiful pics Fiya and poptart [emoji4]

Sorry poptart ramzi confuses the hell out of me lol


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luvmyfam
December 22nd, 2015, 09:46 AM
Mommymachine adorable pic! Nub looks forked and straight but to early to say for sure!

Beautiful pics fiya and poptart! Poptart I am no good at ramzi lol.

Afm, I told put my name on the baby board (list of preggos) at work the other day. Last night at least 10 people asked "are you hoping for a girl? ". I've stilll had absolutely no energy. Totally drained all the time and uncomfortable already when I'm trying to get to sleep. Lots of round ligament pain.

luvmyfam
December 22nd, 2015, 09:48 AM
Violet sorry you're so sick! I hope this is your sticky pink bean!

Boyzmommy
December 22nd, 2015, 10:55 AM
Yup poptart i dont know yet. I m 14+ 4
Poptart my scan at 7 weeks looked the same.
Lovly pics fiya and poptart.


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TaytumJ
December 22nd, 2015, 01:42 PM
Fefe- so sorry to hear about your update. Big hugs and lots of love to you. [emoji173]️

Yay Has2!! I was stalking the Dec 2WW and was wondering when you'd pop over! Congrats! [emoji4]

Love the beautiful pics Fiya and Mommymachine!! What cute babies - can't wait to see them in the flesh!

Poptart - I'm terrible at Ramzi too (couldn't figure out my own haha) but I love that little "splodge"! [emoji6]

Hope you're feeling better luvmyfam. Also, I hope people at work lay off you. That's annoying! I haven't told anyone at work I'm expecting (besides the need to knows). It's been nice!

I woke up with a cold - runny nose and sore throat. [emoji30] Any natural remedies you ladies have?


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yogi&booboo
December 22nd, 2015, 01:50 PM
Beautiful babies Fiya & Poptart ♡

Alright ladies going for my private scan this morning ♡ Prepared to hear girl or boy♡ My youngest daughter will find out I am finally pregnant which is what we have been waiting for. We cannot wait for her expression ♡ I will update in a few hours :)

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Bluebooties
December 22nd, 2015, 01:53 PM
GL yogi and tons of blue dust hope u hear boy💙

Poptart32
December 22nd, 2015, 02:00 PM
Good luck yogi can't wait to find out! Have alllll my blue dust [emoji4]


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Boyzmommy
December 22nd, 2015, 02:07 PM
Yogi best of luck hun


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mommymachine
December 22nd, 2015, 02:11 PM
Can't wait to hear Yogi!!!


And thanks everyone <3

yogi&booboo
December 22nd, 2015, 03:17 PM
Thank you Girls :) Its a a Boy!! We are overjoyed :)

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mommymachine
December 22nd, 2015, 03:19 PM
Oh yogi I am so so happy for you!!! Are the girls excited?!?


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Fiya
December 22nd, 2015, 03:25 PM
Omg Yogi that's amazing news. Our blue swayers seem to do very well at the moment :bluecheer:

mammacass
December 22nd, 2015, 03:30 PM
I hope you have a wonderful scan yogi, can't wait for your update x

Woah, back it up - I just scrolled through rest of posts and YAY!! A boy - congratulations yogi you must be so incredibly excited!! How did your youngest react?


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Bluebooties
December 22nd, 2015, 03:31 PM
Wohoo yogi congratulations !

XXforhubby
December 22nd, 2015, 04:28 PM
Thank you Girls :) Its a a Boy!! We are overjoyed :)

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OMG Yogi!! This is so AWESOME! I knew you had a boy cookin' in there! I'm so happy for you! Here's to a super snuggly with mama, rambunctious sweet baby boy [emoji8][emoji170]!

Sooooo, any name ideas? Hehe!!


DS1[emoji125]🏼, DS2[emoji577], DS3[emoji170][emoji577][emoji843][emoji602][emoji170] Jan. '16 I'll sway for a DD[emoji166][emoji171][emoji166] for my DH!!

essnce629
December 22nd, 2015, 04:31 PM
Just jumping in to say congrats Yogi on your little boy!!! So incredibly excited for you!

TaytumJ
December 22nd, 2015, 05:01 PM
Congrats Yogi!!! So excited for you and your family!! [emoji170][emoji170]


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yogi&booboo
December 22nd, 2015, 05:27 PM
Thank you Mommymachine ♡ yes, my youngest found out today and had already picked out a name before we left the office.

Thank you Fiya ♡

Lol Thank you mammacas ♡ she did great, a little confused but was super happy and had picked Jacob for a name before we left [emoji14] she still cannot stop talking about and asking me a ton of questions.

Thank you Bluebooties ♡

Aww XX thank you soo much ♡ your words mean a lot to me :) DH has been bugging with Caesar, girls want Noah, but most likely either or [emoji14]

Thank you from the bottom of my heart Essnce ♡♡♡♡

Thank you very very much Taytum ♡ :)

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Boyzmommy
December 22nd, 2015, 05:30 PM
YES so happy for you Yogi. [emoji322][emoji322][emoji322][emoji322][emoji170][emoji170][emoji170][emoji170][emoji170][emoji170]


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Boyzmommy
December 22nd, 2015, 05:31 PM
Enjoy ur boy


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Violet Winter
December 22nd, 2015, 06:10 PM
Whoo hoo! A big congratulations to you Yogi! That's fabulous news!!

Poptart32
December 22nd, 2015, 07:18 PM
Aww amazing news yogi im so happy for you , congratulations! Xx


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XXforhubby
December 22nd, 2015, 08:47 PM
I still can't stop smiling Yogi! I'm so happy for you [emoji8][emoji170]!!


DS1[emoji125]🏼, DS2[emoji577], DS3[emoji170][emoji577][emoji843][emoji602][emoji170] Jan. '16 I'll sway for a DD[emoji166][emoji171][emoji166] for my DH!!

Boyzmommy
December 22nd, 2015, 11:42 PM
You ladies are wonderful. Feels like family here[emoji8]


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ThreeLittleStars
December 23rd, 2015, 12:03 AM
Yay yogi, awesome news!!! Congrats!

yogi&booboo
December 23rd, 2015, 01:15 AM
Thank you so dearly and from the from the bottom of my heart. Its been tough but hopefully we all get through the rest of oir pregnancies super healthy. It really does feel like family here ♡

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XXforhubby
December 23rd, 2015, 08:38 AM
Thank you so dearly and from the from the bottom of my heart. Its been tough but hopefully we all get through the rest of oir pregnancies super healthy. It really does feel like family here ♡

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I LOVE your new avatar Yogi! Now hopefully he won't be spoiled too much....na, that's half of the fun!

When is your due date Yogi so I can count the days until I see pics [emoji170][emoji170]!


DS1[emoji125]🏼, DS2[emoji577], DS3[emoji170][emoji577][emoji843][emoji602][emoji170]

luvmyfam
December 23rd, 2015, 11:11 AM
Ahhhh! CONGRATS yogi!! So, so happy for you!!:babym::bluecheer::running:

Foxcubblue
December 23rd, 2015, 12:21 PM
Yogi, amazing news!!!!! Many many congrats!!! I can't imagine how good it must have felt to hear boy!

Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 12:21 PM
How r u feeli g fox ?

Foxcubblue
December 23rd, 2015, 12:42 PM
How r u feeli g fox ?

Ah, thank Booties. I'm a little better as have the actual sickness under control with a combo of medication, and a very strict daily routine of eating / drinking / Epsom salt baths etc! Have just taken the decision that DH will take the girls on our planned Xmas visit to both sets of grandparents and cousins tomorrow for a few days while I stay home alone! I just don't think I can handle the noise and the smells and the disturbed sleep (poor DH is currently on the sofa, but when away I would have both him and littlest DD in with us). Boo!

I'm also feeling a bit down about gender, was convinced for some reason that the baby I miscarried in August was a boy and therefore coming to terms with feeling that this little bubba is definitely another little girl (it seems so unlikely that we would successfully conceive boys twice in a row!), especially given that I have the sickness again.

Basically longing for this sickness to pass so I can perk myself up a bit and stop being such a misery guts, it's not like me at all! Sorry for the moan and thank you for providing a place I can vent (I feel super lonely with this sickness too as I feel a huge number of people just really don't get it at all, so I tend to keep it all bottled up).

Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 12:48 PM
Awe hang in there fox. Funny i have the same thoughts as u. I feel that the 12 week missed miscarriage was a boy and now this will be a girl. Really gets me depressed at times too ! Apart of me wants to know and a part of me wants to not know ... i am torn, the baby will be loved no matter but i will morn not having a son since this is our last. So i am slowly and gradually preparing myself or rather trying to convience myself its a girl so i wont be super disappointed when the tech say its a girl.

Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 12:49 PM
Strangly though i have had no inclinations about this baby thus far and no baby dreams.

Foxcubblue
December 23rd, 2015, 12:52 PM
Awe hang in there fox. Funny i have the same thoughts as u. I feel that the 12 week missed miscarriage was a boy and now this will be a girl. Really gets me depressed at times too ! Apart of me wants to know and a part of me wants to not know ... i am torn, the baby will be loved no matter but i will morn not having a son since this is our last. So i am slowly and gradually preparing myself or rather trying to convience myself its a girl so i wont be super disappointed when the tech say its a girl.

Sounds exactly like me! I don't know if I want to know or not! She will be very very loved, but I always dreamed of having a little boy. I have a good feeling for you though - aren't your symptoms totally different from previous pregnancies?

Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 12:56 PM
Yes they r 360 degrees compared to both my girls who were carbon copy pregnancies but then i believe symptoms dont tell every pregnancy canbe different even with same gender.
The problem is my husband and i know how to read sonograms atleast at 20 weeks gestation so even if i wont look my husband will know and his expressions will tell me. For both my girls i knew even b4 the sonographer. Ahh i am afraid i will break down in the sono room which would be soooo embarasing !

Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 01:20 PM
Aww girls i feel the same. Part of me wanted to know and part of me doesnt. I just want to linger on hope of a girl a little longer. Sometimes i think its a girl and my dreams will come true. But then i dont want to be disappointment.
My ds1 best friends mom is having her fourth son. She just told me yesterday. Shes our neighbour n my friend as well. She was a bit disappointed but was trying to put up brave face. I was really hoping for her to get a daughter.
I feel like now i m going to get another boy as well.
I m feel so depressed n down now a days. [emoji37][emoji17]


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Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 01:26 PM
Sigh ! 😕

Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 01:29 PM
Bluebooties i dont want to bring anyone down here [emoji4]
Hun sorry if i sounded a bit depressed.
I ll try to cheer my self a bit. My kids are away at grand ma n i m feeling a bit lonely as well.
I have a scan today in 4 hrs. Hopefully i ll hear a girl. I want this wait to be over and get used to the idea of having another boy if it is


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Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 01:30 PM
[emoji85]


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Foxcubblue
December 23rd, 2015, 01:31 PM
Good luck Boyz!!!

yogi&booboo
December 23rd, 2015, 01:47 PM
Lol Thank you XX :) My In laws almost fell apart after they heard boys and brought out an outfit they had bought if they ever had a grandson ♡ He's going to be spoiled by them for sure. From what the specialist said, I wont make it to my official due date of June 15, & will most likely deliver probably week 37 or slightly before. Could be late May, or sometime in June. They said since I have the placenta previa and high blood pressure, they do not see me going full term which scares me a little :(

Thank you luvmyfam ♡

Thank you Fox****blue ♡ we are still a little shocked. I really hope you feel better soon. Don't be to hard on yourself. I thought I was only meant to have girls, and here I am still shocked. I wouldn't be surprised if you have a little boy cooking in there. I know your feeling all too well x3. Hang in there Fox****blue and big hugs to you ♡♡♡

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djmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 01:49 PM
Hi Ladies! I have been MIA for a while!! I really try to keep up but I just can't seem to :(. I just want to add that even though I am not commenting too often, I definitely agree that this place feels like family and is so supportive and I am grateful! I hope everyone is starting to feel good and Congratulations to everyone who recently joined and all of you ladies who know your gender and are carrying your desired gender! I am doing well, 15 weeks. Still feeling a bit of nausea but it is subsiding a bit. Definitely feeling big already!! I actually had the Harmony test yesterday so should know gender in a couple weeks. I feel so torn, like I want to find out and then I don't. I kinda like the anticipation and thinking it could be a girl. I initially started out swaying girl but after suffering infertility and TTC for 2 years I stopped swaying so I am just to happy to be pregnant and will be happy with whatever we have. I truly believe that God chose this baby specifically for out family so I can't argue with that :) But I will be a little sad to never have a daughter and nervous about 3 rambunctious crazy boys!! Wishing everyone healthy pregnancies and I hope to keep up!

Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 01:54 PM
GL boyz !! Will be waiting for updates

mammacass
December 23rd, 2015, 06:43 PM
Sorry to hear you are feeling so unwell and down fox and boyz, hugs x

Good luck with your scan boys I hope you get a clear answer for gender!

Hi djmommy - looking forward to update with harmony results! Luvmyfam not long until you will get yours back?!

Well girls I had an apt with my dr this morning and managed to convince her that I should get another scan lol I've just been feeling a little uneasy after what the tech said to me at my dating one and want a bit of reassurance that everything is ok. So I was lucky enough to get in today will update later [emoji4]


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Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 07:03 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/23/ff2984cf78ba388da5e8cc2487b76144.jpg

Ladies [emoji120]🏻[emoji166][emoji166][emoji166][emoji166][emoji166]"Its a girl"
Tech said shes 70% sure its a girl but i m still unsure.
Can it be wrong at 14+ 5



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hopper
December 23rd, 2015, 07:03 PM
Hello ladies!! I have been MIA for a while, time is just getting the better of me! I have had a blast of symptoms this past while so serves me right for thinking the worst. All day nausea and the dreaded first trimester tiredness! I am napping during the day and sleeping a good 12 hours at night and I'm still tired!! Headaches seem to have set in with a bang, probably the stress of Xmas ain't helping!!
We are about 80% decided on getting the Harmony testing done in January. I'm fully convinced on it but DH isn't. I will leave him stew over the Xmas and hope he sees my POV!

Yogi OMG I am thrilled for you and your family!! I just KNEW you had your son in there!!! :) Try relax a little about the how and when he will get here. It sounds like you are in good hands and your little family here will be sending truck loads of positivity your way xxx

Boyz and Foxcub I am sorry you ladies are feeling so down. I hope your scan goes well today boyz and fingers crossed your sickness will have lifted by the time your family are home for Xmas Foxcub x

Luvmyfam and djmommy that's so exciting to have your tests gone in and waiting the results!! Can't wait to hear if you get your girls, fingers and toes crossed x

Mammacass thinking of you at your reassurance scan hun xxx

So much to catch up on, I'm sorry I have surely left out loads but I'm starting to drift off to sleep here now and if I don't post this I won't post at all lol xxx

Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 07:04 PM
Good to see you back hoppers[emoji4]


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Bluebooties
December 23rd, 2015, 07:04 PM
Congratulations boyz !!🎇🎉🎊

TaytumJ
December 23rd, 2015, 07:05 PM
Looks like a girl to me, Boyz!! [emoji177]


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mammacass
December 23rd, 2015, 07:06 PM
Oh wow boyz that's awesome [emoji166][emoji178]


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Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 07:07 PM
Is it really a girl ?i m seriously unsure and think its too early
Is it possible a penis can be hidden somewhere


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mammacass
December 23rd, 2015, 07:16 PM
The picture certainly does look like a girl. I guess she only gave you 70% as there is a little room for error this early but I would be quietly excited :) maybe post on the US board and see what they say?


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Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 07:21 PM
Thanks mammacass. I ll post there


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mammacass
December 23rd, 2015, 09:56 PM
Scan went really well and I'm feeling much better now :) the bleed has gotten smaller and Bub is looking great, right on target and measuring at 8wks with a [emoji173]️ of 167 [emoji4] will post a pic soon


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Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 09:58 PM
I m happy for you mammacass. Take lots of rest[emoji106]


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yogi&booboo
December 23rd, 2015, 10:20 PM
Hang in there djmommy and what ever your heart desires will happen when uou deliver get your harmony test results ♡

How awesome and amazing that you heard girl Boyzmommy ♡ It is my understanding that aftet the 12th week, their privates start looking like their actual gender. I was always told a percentage with all of my girls and ended up girl. With this one they seemed to have seen it right away. I am sure the tech knows what they saw. I hope this is your princess ♡

Thank you Hopper♡ Sounds like what I just went through. My bed and tylenol were my best friends. Hang in there and hope you start feeling better soon. Also I'd like to suggest that if you really want the dh to agree to the harmony test, I would say start bribing him [emoji14] I think when you do more oooos and ahhhh's at little things you think are cute, you kind get them to melt their hearts too. I did it to the dh lol :)

Can't wait to see your scan mammacas ♡

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yogi&booboo
December 23rd, 2015, 10:36 PM
I just realized I have not added my monkey's scan yet. Top one according to the tech at the gender scan baby was sitting up and I believe has been since my first scan with my ob. Second one is the face but with very little visibility on this arms and legs. Third is a profile ♡

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151224/0f0d0526c0428fe7b8b45ec944da9c3d.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151224/62b8331e2f7a079a69c243f1e680357f.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20151224/c288cebee7faa0cb69998e89d90b5f93.jpg

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Boyzmommy
December 23rd, 2015, 11:44 PM
Yogi thanks for reassurance. Cute little monkey even though i cant seem to see it clearly.
Hopper hang in there hun.


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mammacass
December 24th, 2015, 12:02 AM
Here is my pic from today.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/23/d16660397149bf83e67fdd684eeb9ade.jpg


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